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Thank you! [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 04:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

== May 2020 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''31 hours''' to prevent you from persistently adding [[Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1|unsourced or poorly sourced content]].  Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;[[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 19:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)</div></div><!-- Template:uw-ucblock -->

Hello [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]], would you mind being more specific on why you have blocked me from editing? You sent me an article about unsourced editing but it had nothing on it about being blocked or specify why I was blocked. I plan to request to be unblocked but I would first like to work with you to understand why blocking me was what you did. Thank you for your time [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 21:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed|decline=I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that 
*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u>
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*#will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. ''You have been previously and sufficiently warned about not adding unsourced content, as evidenced by the two discussions above. [[WP:V|Verifiability]] is one of the core policies of Wikipedia, and you are expected to abide by it.''  [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''CaptainEek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 01:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)|1=No warning[[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 01:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)}}

I had previously made some edits which some people thought were controversial. Since then I have not edited any of those pages. Last night I  made some edits on other pages, and followed the guidelines which my fellow editors gave me. Since I did not believe that the edits were controversial, I did not add a cited source. Based on the articles which [[User:AldezD|AldezD]], [[User:Schazjmd|Schazjmd]], and [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] gave including the reason to block me, state that I only need a citation if an edit was controversial. I did not believe the edits I made were controversial and added them in good faith. Some point last night, while I was asleep in my time zone, I was brought to the administrators board and would like to have responded. When I woke up this morning, I was blocked. Once again, the pages where my edits were reverted I have not touched. I would have appreciated a warning from [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]], but I never received one. I was just blocked. I promise not to add any more unsourced edits. I enjoy Wikipedia discussions and was about to participate in one before I realized I was blocked. Thank you [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 01:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
: Your talk page already has enough warnings and doesn't need another.  You seem to think that the burden is on other people to add citations to your edits, but [[WP:BURDEN|policy says it is on you]].  That means that you can't tell people to go find a citation to verify content that you've added.  Statements that have been challenged are, by definition, controversial and require a citation.  If you can demonstrate that you understand how to add a citation, I'll unblock you.  Just reply below this message, here on your talk page, with an encyclopedic statement that has an [[WP:INCITE|inline citation]].  Please ensure that the source verifies the statement and is [[WP:RS|reliable]]. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 01:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

All Broadway shows have had their production halted until September 6, 2020.
{{cite web |url=https://www.playbill.com/article/broadway-shutdown-extended-through-the-summer-due-to-ongoing-coronavirus-crisis |title=Broadway shutdown extended through the summer due to ongoing coronavirus crisis |author=Ryan McPhee |date=May 12, 2020 |website=Playbill.com |publisher=Playbill.com |access-date=May 15, 2020 |quote=}} [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 04:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

[[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]], I hope you honor your deal and unblock me.

{{unblock reviewed | 1=Fulfilled request [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 05:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC) | decline = NRP is welcome to unblock if he wishes, but since that reference above is not actually formatted as an inline citation, I'm not convinced you actually do understand how to cite information here. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 06:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)}}

[[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] said I’d be unblocked if I demonstrated how to cite a reliable source. Since I have done this I hope to be unblocked and to continue productive editing.

All Broadway shows have had their production halted until September 6, 2020. (Ryan McPhee, May 12, 2020). Is that better [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]? [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 07:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Broadway productions have been suspending through September 6, 2020.
<ref>McPhee, Ryan. “Broadway shutdown extreme through the summer due to ongoing coronavirus crisis”. Playbill.com, May 12, 2020. I followed the exact format for inline editing. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] or [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] please unblock me now. I made edits in good faith and won’t do it again as I’ve said before. I really don’t want to make another official request to be unblocked.
 [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 07:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed | reason=Followed guidelines and administrator requests [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 08:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)|accept=I've unblocked you, but please consider that policy says that "any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged" requires a citation.  That means that if someone challenges your unsourced addition, it can not be re-added until ''you'' provide a source for it. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 14:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)}} I apologize for once again requesting that I be unblocked. I would like to continue making productive edits (at least make comments in talk pages) as soon as possible. I have reviewed Wikipedia’s policy on being unblocked multiple times. I will not post any more controversial comments without a reliable source. Administrators have asked me to show a sample of a cited edit which I have showed. I did not realize that the edits that I made were controversial/required a source. Previously, I have not reverted edits unless I believed them to be reliable or necessary. Other than that I have not engaged in edit warring and have taken other administrators’ and editors’ advice as well as “contacted” them. My edits were not malicious. I appreciate your time, I have not been purposefully making flagrant requests. Each time I do I am promised to be unblocked but then I never am. Your fellow Wikipedian, [[User:Wjrz nj forecast|Wjrz nj forecast]] ([[User talk:Wjrz nj forecast#top|talk]]) 08:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

== globally renamed Wjrz nj forecast to Lima Bean Farmer ==

globally renamed Wjrz nj forecast to Lima Bean Farmer --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<small>schalte ein</small>)]] 05:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Does this mean that I can be unblocked now [[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]? I appreciate you renaming me, but why are [[User:CaptainEek|CaptainEek]], [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]], and [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] being asked about this? I have nothing against these users but I was just wondering if it was a procedural thing. Since the block was due to my username and it has now been changed, I feel that an unblock would be fair, especially since Orangemike said it would be. Also I apologize, but I don’t see how to make your username bold, so apologies for that. Thank you! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 06:19, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

:Sorry. I thought this would go better. They either blocked or declined to unblock. I cannot unblock [[WP:Wheelwar|on my own]]. . --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<small>schalte ein</small>)]] 13:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Deepfriedokra}} If this block was only for the username, I have no objections to you overriding ''my decline'' and lifting the block. However, the block notice is for promotional edits. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 13:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{reply|Yamla}} Good point. I think the promo edits have been dealt with somewhere in this growing [[maelstrom]] of a talk page. I will not unblock without a consensus. {{U|Lima Bean Farmer}}-- for the sake of my poor eyes, please reiterate how you will avoid promotional editing. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<small>schalte ein</small>)]] 14:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I have explained about 10 times that I never did make promotional editing. I simply put on my page “follow the 2020 house elections and the covid 19 pandemic.” This was meant to state that I follow these things as this is where I do most of my editing. It was never meant to be promotional, just bad grammar. I’ve already stated so many times that I would change this to say that’s what I follow. [[User:Orangemike]] found this as a reason to unblock me. [[User:Yamla]], you’d unblock statement did not seem to be in good faith. As much as I don’t like to give up on things, I feel that I will never be able to edit again. I’ve asked that my account be re instated so many times. There’s only so much I can do. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 14:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{tpw}}{{snd}} I've been watching Wjrz/Lima's edits since their odd behavior on [[Talk:Kim Jong-un]] in April. They have not made promotional edits to mainspace articles. The "promotional block" was based on their original account name and the unfortunate wording on their user page, both of which have been rectified. They made a number of unsourced edits but eventually understood that they needed to include a citation with their edits and began doing so. After watching them submit unblock requests that got no response, I believe the repeated unblock requests might either have been done for fear they did it wrong so they tried again or frustration at nobody replying. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Your name has been changed and your account unblocked. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span>]] 14:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 14:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:Note now you are unblocked, you are free to remove all of the content, including the accepted and declined unblock requests, from this page if you wish. You are not at all obligated to do so; you are free to leave them here if you prefer. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 15:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | ''This barnstar is awarded to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated.'' For your expeditious work on [[List of Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign endorsements]], ensuring individuals added meet [[WP:ENDORSE]]. Thank you for your work, keep it up! —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 06:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Spacing/dash ==

Hi Lima! Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_2020_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign&type=revision&diff=973817231&oldid=973799196 this edit], and perhaps prior edits to said list, there's a space that you've been adding between the content and citation, for example: <code>–2020)'''[space]'''<nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>. There should be no space between the content and citation, as this is consistent throughout Wikipedia. It should appear like this: <code>–2020)<nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>.

Additionally, to conform with [[MOS:ENTO]] I've converted all of the [[dash|dashes]] (<code>-</code>) to en dash, which is <code>–</code>. To locate this specific dash: 1. Look above the edit summary function, 2. press "Wiki markup" on the drop down list, 3. the en-dash is the first dash after "insert". Eg. So if we can turn this: (1986-2004) into → (1986–2004), that would be great!

You've been a real asset to Wikipedia, please keep up the great work! kind regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 11:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]], I don’t see an edit summary function. I’m not sure what you’re referring to here. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 22:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
:Hi Lima,
:I'm referring to this:
{{EditOptions|align=center|width=50%|font-size=75%}}
:Directly above it you'll see the "Insert"/"Wiki markup" drop down box. Kind regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 03:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:: [[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]], I’m real sorry, but I don’t see any of that on my screen. I don’t see the “minor edit” box either. After I make an edit it comes to a page that says “how did you improve this page” and I can type in an edit summary. None of the other stuff is there. I’m not sure why. Should I ask at the tea house? I don’t want to inconvenience anyone with these improper dashes so I’d like to figure this out before we start editing again. Thank you! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 04:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:::Hi Lima, no need to apologise! :)
:::You will ''only'' see the edit summary function box when you <u>start editing an article</u>. The "minor edit" box will appear directly under the edit summary box. Directly above the edit summary feature is a drop-down menu which lists a number of things, such as: "Wiki markup", "Insert", "Symbols", "Latin", "IPA", and so forth. If you press "wiki markup", next to the drop down menu will appear many different characters/codes that can be used in articles or talk pages, wherever really. The proper dash to use is the first dash shown (indeed, first character shown) once you press "Wiki markup".
:::Does that make sense? —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 05:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:::: [[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]], I think you are using a different device which may have more features. For the future, I can copy the dash you added and paste it where I need it. Thank you so much for letting me know about that! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 05:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, that is very strange. I'll follow that up for you. Kind regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 05:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::So Lima, I've reached out to someone who is evidently more switched on than I am :')
:::::You're right, you don't have it. That's because it needs to be activated within your preferences. To do this, you go to "Preferences" (on top right of any Wikipedia page when logged in) → then press "Gadgets" → then, under the heading "Editing", tick the box that says next to it "{{tq|CharInsert: add a toolbar under the edit window for quickly inserting wiki markup and special characters (troubles?)}}". Once you tick this box, go to the bottom of the page and hit "Save". And there you go! —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 10:01, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]], I don’t have preferences in my top right hand screen. The only thing in the top right is a bell and a thing that lets me search articles. I’m sorry that this has been an inconvenience. I will copy and paste the dash you added or I won’t do this type of editing at all. Thank you for going through so much trouble. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 15:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::::That's so strange. I don't know why that's the case. Either way, no need to apologise as this isn't your fault. Please continue editing where you please (especially that list, you do a great job). I'll fix the dashes here and there, no problem! kind regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 04:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: [[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]], I think it has to do with me using an iPhone to edit. I appreciate you spending so much time on this issue! Happy editing! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 05:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh wow, I've never edited with my IPhone. I imagine that would be difficult! No worries, anytime. Likewise, happy editing! —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 12:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

==Thank you==
Dear [[User: Lima Bean Farmer]], thank you for spotting that my old account, [[User: ACEOREVIVED]], was listed as a missing Wikipedian. Thank you too for removing it - I am now active under the name Vorbee! [[User:Vorbee|Vorbee]] ([[User talk:Vorbee|talk]]) 11:33, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Vorbee|Vorbee]], of course. I am glad that you are still active! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 16:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

== alainr345 missing in action ==

To tell you the truth Ma'm, years back I grew dissatissfied with the absurd attribution of hierarchy at WP: seems people there are more preoccupied with "cleaning things" than with putting more relevant content online. I may get back more frequently in the future... if I do not find something more interesting in life to do. (alainr345) --[[Special:Contributions/72.10.149.168|72.10.149.168]] ([[User talk:72.10.149.168|talk]]) 19:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
:I’m not sure where to leave a response so I will place it at my talk page and the talk pages for both your IP and your former frequently used accounts. Thank you for getting back to me! It’s a shame you think of it that way, I think there are plenty of spots that could have improvement and relevant information. However, if you believe differently, then good luck with wherever life takes you! Since you clearly are still here and edit sporadically (not fully retired), I will not add you back to missing Wikipedians. Even if you are busy with life, I hope you still have the chance to check back in and let us know how you’re doing every once in a while. If you ever do fully retire (hope you don’t!) then you can add a retirement message on your talk page. Happy editing and enjoy life wherever it takes you! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 21:07, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

==Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban==
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:Please note that bans apply to you as the person and not to the account. If you use sockpuppets to evade this 9 month block and/or now indefinite topic ban, you may be blocked indefinitely. Consider this as your last chance before getting an indefinite block. [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 12:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
::[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]], you must be mistaken. While it’s true that I have violated copyright, edit warred, added unsourced information, as well S various other infractions in the past, I have not sockpuppeted (is that the right term?). I really only check my email notifications on this account and it appears that there is now an indefinite ban on me. I truly have been waiting out the 3 month ban (I read the investigation) and stopped editing because other edits were boring. I am not this other user, I am not related to nor friends with him/her/them. While I looked a little and they seem to have similar interests, it is not me. Please remove this, as this is just one large misunderstanding. I hope you can understand. Thank you and happy editing! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 17:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:::{{confirmed}} sockpuppetry. The technical evidence is very clear here. You are '''very''' lucky this block was not indefinite; it still could be. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 17:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
::::[[User talk:Yamla|talk]], I’m sorry, technical evidence? What does that mean? I honestly know that I’ve done things wrong before, but not here. I was also falsely accused of advertising when I really only didn’t know the username policy. I really only have one account and this is it. Please reconsider this block. I have waited almost two months, my ban was almost over. Why is everyone so opposed to me editing here! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 18:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::You didn't wait two months though, you created another account and used that instead. There's no sense denying it. – [[User:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]][[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]] 19:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::I suggest reading [[WP:Checkuser|the page about checkusers]] to find out what technical evidence is. [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 21:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::: Hi, Lima Bean Farmer. Since you can't stay away from politics, I have a suggestion.  Why not join WPTC when you're block is up? We are in need of editors, and I think you would be an asset to us. You may get unblocked earlier, and I highly recommend doing it, to avoid further trouble(and because we need help). --[[User:HurricaneTracker495|Hurricane]] [[User talk: HurricaneTracker495|Tracker]] [[Special: Contributions/HurricaneTracker495|495]] 22:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::::[[User:HurricaneTracker495|Hurricane]], you’re the only person here who seems to be assuming good faith towards me here. Before I attempt to respond to anyone else, could you please explain to me what WPTC is? Thank you and happy editing! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 00:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: [[WP: WPTC]] is the WikiProject for tropical cyclones. --[[User:HurricaneTracker495|Hurricane]] [[User talk: HurricaneTracker495|Tracker]] [[Special: Contributions/HurricaneTracker495|495]] 00:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::: [[User:HurricaneTracker495|Hurricane]], it’s very kind of you to say that I would be a valuable asset to the project, but out of curiosity, why would you think this? Especially since you relate it to politics. Once again, I appreciate it, but could you tell me why? This may help me get unblocked. Thank you! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 04:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::: Sorry, I have to retract the offer, actually. See [[User talk: HurricaneTracker495#User: Lima Bean Farmer]]. --[[User:HurricaneTracker495|Hurricane]] [[User talk: HurricaneTracker495|Tracker]] [[Special: Contributions/HurricaneTracker495|495]] 13:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::I would like to also say that I was very close to deciding on an indefinite block. I hope that you can learn from this, which is why I moved to a block with an expiry. Denial won't help your cause, especially as multiple CUs have found that it was confirmed sockpuppetry. Denial is also very likely to lead to your topic ban remaining in force indefinitely, as I can't see how such an appeal would be successful if you haven't owned up. It will be a benefit for you to be as honest as you can, regardless of whether you control both accounts. You may appeal this block, but as its an AE action, such an appeal would go to [[WP:AN]], [[WP:AE]], or [[WP:ARCA]]. Based on the confirmation and also the behavioral evidence too, I would not be undoing my action unless you own up to it. I am also very unlikely to accept an appeal of the block until 6 months has passed without any sockpuppetry. You may of course appeal at AN, AE or ARCA at any time, but such an appeal is from my experience unlikely to be accepted until some time has passed. [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 22:22, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]], is there anything I can do to make this better? If I am being honest, I am a good faith editor. I am not here to taunt other editors, to purposefully disrupt pages, or to vandalize. Neither am I here to push the limits on rules by making a bunch of sockpuppets or ignoring other editors. I genuinely want to be friendly with other editors and work constructively. On the other hand, I’m not trying to be some role model editor or admin or anything like that. I’m only human. Not saying anyone else isn’t (other than the bots), but I don’t have that much time to edit Wikipedia or be someone who does administrative work with the website itself. I attempted to do some editing on the 2020 elections which continually got me in trouble. I have been working on improving as an editor since the beginning. I add reliable sources, I recognize independent and secondary sources, I have helped resolve conflicts, and I have an idea on what does and doesn’t belong. It seems that you and various other editors have been fed up with me and will do whatever they can to prevent me from editing. Once again, I really am only interested in politics, I tried doing other things but they just got so boring after a while. Wikipedia is a hobby and politics are more of a passion. In addition, I haven’t ever added my personal politics into editing Wikipedia. I know that stating things that I didn’t do wrong may not be helping me, but it’s worth a shot at this point. My main focus has been to improve wikipedia on the subject I know (American politics) and learn how to become a better Wikipedia editor. If the wiki community no longer wants these services from me, I understand. Please let me know if there’s anything I can do, and I will genuinely do my best to make it up to you and the community, but if you think that I have no option (other than waiting 9 months and then indefinitely) to edit Wikipedia again, I will understand. Thank you for your time. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 07:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::::The block is for using an undisclosed alternate account to avoid a previous sanction. This needs to be addressed before any other issue, including how likely it is to reoccur if you were unblocked but still banned from American Politics. Also per Dreamy Jazz above, you'd be better off waiting quite a time before appealing, then drafting an appeal for AN or similar and hoping that community patience hasn't already run out. Unfortunately that's a possibility at this stage.  -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 10:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]]. What would you suggest I do, just wait it out and reconsider in a month or so? I’m open to pretty much anything at this point just to make new constructive edits. I actually thought Wikipedia was a fun place, I just want some way to edit again under any condition. Thanks again. Your friend, [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 10:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::I think you need to start here: Did you use a sockpuppet account to evade a sanction? You've said no above, but there is reportedly clear evidence confirmed by more than one checkuser. I also think a month isn't going to cut it - Dreamy Jazz's suggestion seems a more realistic time frame. It's a shame that tha is so, but you really have racked up an impressive list of sanctions in a fairly short time! -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 11:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::[[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]], I know it seems that way. In addition, you have been very kind and patient with me. Dreamy Jazz has a 9 month block and an indefinite ban on me. To be completely truthful, an unblock wouldn’t really be very beneficial without an unban (although I’ll take it if offered). If I say that I am running both accounts, do you think that would help or hurt my case? Thank you again, [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 15:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well you clearly are, so I'd just be honest and say so. 

:::::::::::You seem like a reasonable person but given the number of issues to date I'm wondering if en-WP editing is the right hobby for you. However, if you do want to keep at it I'd suggest finding something else to do for ''several months'' (italics for emphasis), and coming back with a detailed outline of how you understand policies and guidelines on verifiability, neutrality and sockpuppetry, plus what you'd like to edit and why it would be a benefit to en-WP's editing objectives to let you do so. 

:::::::::::Be prepared for a fair bit of doubt on this front, and for a continued topic ban from American Politics as that's where the difficulties have been. And don't sockpuppet in the interim - even without checkuser evidence your editing patterns are fairly easy to detect. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


::::::::::::So, [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]], you don’t think I’ll be able to edit American politics ever again? This was the only thing I was unclear of in your above statement. Thank you. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 02:28, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
{{od}}I reckon it would be a hard sell to get the topic ban without evidence of collegiate and trouble-free editing in other areas, which you're not going to be able to amass while blocked. But that's just my opinion, actual appeal outcome will be up to the community at AE or AN. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 06:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]]. You have been more helpful and patient with me than you had to be, which I greatly appreciate. Ok [[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]], I’m ready to make a deal. If I tell you everything, will you at least agree to hear my case and keep an open mind? I will be completely honest. Keeping an open mind on my ban is the only request I have in return. Thank you. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 03:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
::[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz]], can you please agree to the condition? It’s the holidays and I want to know if I’ll ever be able to edit again. Thank you. [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 00:58, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
:::{{u|Lima Bean Farmer}}, your approach here appears to be a [[category error]]. You seem to be attempting to negotiate a plea bargain or something, but this is not a cop show; and the only person you're punishing by not following the process is you (at least, assuming you want a chance at having your ban overturned). Note these errors in your reasoning:
:::*No-one is likely to have their sympathy for you increased by your implying that they normally do ''not'' have an open mind. Yet that is the approach you have taken with DJ.
:::*No-one wants to spend more time on your case than necessary, ''especially'' on the holidays. I.e. they are unlikely to want to {{tqq|agree to the condition}} or play other non-procedural games you might invent. Yet that is the approach you have taken with DJ.
:::*The onus is, and has been ever since the sockpuppet investigation outcome, on ''you'' to follow the process if you want to have a chance of having ''your'' editing rights restored. Yet you are still avoiding this.
:::On Wikipedia, honesty is generally the best policy. I suggest that you take a break, reflect on the above, '''read the policies and guidelines''' and enjoy the holidays. ''If'' you decide at some point that you can follow the process, then do so and try to accept the outcome graciously. [[User:Zazpot|Zazpot]] ([[User talk:Zazpot|talk]]) 07:24, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
:::Your pings have not been working for me. Ensure that you link my userpage and also place your signature in the same edit. You can use {{tlx|ping|Dreamy Jazz}} to link my userpage.
:::I am perfectly happy to hear your case and also will keep an open mind. I would say that as its Christmas, I'll be leaving this till later. [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 08:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
::::Thank you {{ping|Dreamy Jazz}}! I’ll tell you everything tomorrow. And, since it seems you celebrate it, have a Merry Christmas! [[User:Lima Bean Farmer|Lima Bean Farmer]] ([[User talk:Lima Bean Farmer#top|talk]]) 17:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

== Talk page access revoked ==

You've been warned, over and over. I have now revoked your talk page access. You may request that it be reinstated, no sooner than six months from today, via [[WP:UTRS]]. That would be 2021-07-17. I hope this helps you with the "they clearly can't stay away" part of your block, which you have continued to violate even while blocked. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 12:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
:I would note that you (Lima Bean Farmer) should have not mentioned the articles in the section above. They are related to American politics, and by mentioning them you violated your topic ban again. You were warned by Boing! said Zebedee that you should {{tq|totally stop making all edits (test or otherwise) on the subject of American politics ... [otherwise] I will remove your ability to edit this page}}. As a consequence, Yamla has removed your talk page access. 
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:My trust that you won't be violating your topic ban has gone, and so I support Yamla's talk page access removal. I also won't be ready to undo the block for 6 months. I'm also not really happy with allowing your topic ban to be removed. I think it will need to stay for the foreseeable future. [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 13:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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== UTRS 46271 ==

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