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[[File:Suede on Nord Electro.jpg|thumb|300px|Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is [[Cat organ|some music]].[http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron/cat.html]<br><br>"I'm not a cat. I'm a [[Alpine, Texas|Texas lawyer]]!"]][[File:Oxford Wikimedia Meetup Number 73 8519.jpg|thumb|400px|<center>'''THIS USER MISSES [[User:RexxS|RexxS]]'''</center>]]<br/>

== Text from deleted article ==

I recently logged into my account to see a page I created (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ducat) was speedily deleted in February 2021 without any input from me. Obviously, I will not contest the grounds (and have no standing to do so, despite being the page creator), but I would like to have the text made available for safe keeping in the future. Are you able to send that to my talk page? Thank you for your time.

-- Chris Ducat <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chris Ducat|Chris Ducat]] ([[User talk:Chris Ducat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chris Ducat|contribs]]) 16:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)</span>
{{u|Chris Ducat}}, The text in full read "{{xt|Robert Ducat (born 1969) is a Christian music artist. He has released several albums: David's Struggle, Have Mercy, Well, and Shelter.}}" That's probably why it was deleted - there wasn't enough information to show people could make an encyclopaedia article out of it. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
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Thought I'd left you this already, it's been a few days since my email. Cheers,  <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 14:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Vanamonde, sorry I have been away for a bit just doing other things. I have seen the email and I'll try and get round to doing a reply later today. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
::No worries whatsoever, I only just circled back to this too. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 12:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

== Puzzled ==

Hi,
Why is it that people can create an article and straight away one can google the subject and the article comes up but I created an article on 19 July [[Martina Evans]]  which is in mainspace ( It comes up if you put it in the search box or click on the link in another article, e.g. [[Dalston]] notable people, but you cannot google it and have it come up. It is so frustrating.[[User:Aineireland|Aineireland]] ([[User talk:Aineireland|talk]]) 14:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{tps}} Hi [[User:Aineireland|Aineireland]], you don't have the [[WP:AUTOPATROLLED]] user right, so when you create an article you have to wait until it is either 90 days old, or it is marked reviewed by a member of the [[WP:NPP|New Pages Patrol]] for it to show up in Google searches. See [[WP:NOINDEX]].-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 15:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] [[User:Aineireland|Aineireland]] ([[User talk:Aineireland|talk]]) 17:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

== Gerda's September corner ==
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=1042920996 Omas gegen Rechts] - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of [[Rosh Hashanah]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2021 September 9|Rich Main page today]]: the first TFA by a promising author, the pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
:As you may have noticed (or maybe nobody did :-/), I've taken a bit of a break recently. No specific reason other than I can't think of anything to write about at the moment. I'll have a quick spin through one of my book sources and see if I can cobble together a few words. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:: Thank you for a sign of life! Yes, I noticed ;) - just keep reading. [[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2021 September 11|Today's Main page]] has 2 DYK, one written in memory of Brian, the other by Drmies, and I helped with the German sources. If you have time, but no inspiration, perhaps help LouisAlain on AN and/or with articles? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:: today: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=1044318965 the day of bold red and black], for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard [[Inferno (opera)|Inferno]], imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:: Good wishes on [[International Day of Peace|Peace Day]] [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::: I was out until gone midnight on Tuesday (21), I think it's about time I had a night in. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: Understand! - Today: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=1046799360 a woman in red] (back to the beginning of the thread), two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on [[WP:AN]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

==[[Maureen Wroblewitz]]==
Hello. Help improve and copy edit. Thanks you. [[User:Kolpb|Kolpb]] ([[User talk:Kolpb|talk]]) 09:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:I think the good folk at [[WP:WOMRED|Women in Red]] might be able to assist with this better than me; this isn't in my area of expertise so I'm not sure what I can do specifically to help other than just review the prose. I see the article has been deleted a few years back, but the current revision appears on first glance to be long enough and sufficiently sources. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Timothy J. Edens]] for deletion ==

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:{{u|Eastmain}}, What's this got to do with me? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 12:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Ritchie333}}, on September 8, 2020‎, you closed a previous AfD for the same article. <span style="font-family: Times;">[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] ([[User talk:Eastmain|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eastmain|contribs]])</span> 17:32, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

== New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021 ==

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There are currently '''706''' New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers. 

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== JPL close ==

Thank you for closing the JPL discussion. I see you quoted me. :) When I was reading it, I saw I have a mistake in my writing. 
I have bolded it here:  "if John finds out a topic he thought had no religious involvement is '''not''' religiously involved, he could play it very safe and revert his edits."  Perhaps I meant "now"? I don't know. It was a few days ago. Anyway, do you think it would be helpful to follow that with [sic] or strike it or something, or trust that the community will get it from the context of the rest of the statement? Again, thank you. Have a great day! --[[User:DiamondRemley39|DiamondRemley39]] ([[User talk:DiamondRemley39|talk]]) 16:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
: Thank you for closing the discussion, Ritchie. I honestly wouldn't want anyone else to do it. I know it was a very difficult close and I believe you came to the only conclusion that you could have based on consensus. I may not necessarily agree completely with the results but I didn't expect anything different to occur. I hope JPL is given the opportunity expressed in the comment and stated in the close. Based on the comments of others during this case my confidence is not very high that he will. The validity of the frustration towards JPL is justified and I have told him that he needs to accept that. His actions have been extremely disruptive and this topic ban is his last option to remain here. I wanted him taking it serious.  --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Just want to second the recommendation to tweak the wording of the close to be sure it's accurate. Given the history around this editor and the parsing of statements and supposed lack of clarity in boundaries, the more airtight and correct the explanation, the better. [[User:Grandpallama|Grandpallama]] ([[User talk:Grandpallama|talk]]) 19:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::I agree that the quote from DiamondRemley39 contains a minor typo that may lead to confusion. Clarifying that would be advisable. Clarification of what constitutes a "religious figure" would also be useful. If a successful business person donates a large sum of money to a religious institution, does that make them a religious figure? I don't think so, but I think John needs some tools to evaluate edge cases. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 19:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed the typo; the closing statement of the ANI thread is the only place that it is directly mentioned, so that's easy to fix. I did see a notice that somebody needed to close the thread, and reading through the comments, I found a consensus for a topic ban, but wanted to include something that tried to distance this from being a "pile on", and DiamondRemley39's comment seemed to be the best one to go for. As I think you're aware, I just closed the thread based on the consensus I saw, I have previously commented that JPL's AfD comments are not helpful for a closing admin, but that is not a sanctionable offence and played no part in how I closed the thread - I don't believe I've ever clashed with him on any religious topic. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for fixing my typo. Thanks for closing, too. That needed to be done. I didn't mean to start a discussion on the matter on your talk page. Best to you. [[User:DiamondRemley39|DiamondRemley39]] ([[User talk:DiamondRemley39|talk]]) 15:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Women in Green - October Editathon ==

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Hello Ritchie333: 

'''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Green|WikiProject Women in Green]]''' is holding a ''' month-long [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Green/Meetup/1|Good Article Editathon event in October 2021]]'''!<br /><br />
Running from 1 through 31 October 2021, WikiProject Women in Green is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event focused on the topic of '''women's rights'''. Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing women's rights-related GA submissions during the event period, with resources and one-on-one support provided by experienced Women in Green GA reviewers. Participants have the opportunity to receive a barnstar. 

We hope to see you there!
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== [[Everything’s Strange Here]] ==

Hey Ritchie, I was wondering if you could look into this albums page, an IP has repeatedly been claiming that this was a mixtape then they later claimed it as a compilation album. The sources listed on the page all call this an studio album. The IP sent me a message on my talk page and I have also sent them a warning. 
Thanks! [[User:Pillowdelight|Pillowdelight]] ([[User talk:Pillowdelight|talk]]) 21:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
:I can't see anything that leaps out at the history of [[G-Eazy discography]]. You reverted something that was unsourced, which is fine per [[WP:V|policy]], but where's the "repeatedly" bit? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

::Oops, I prolly should’ve stated it was on [[Everything's Strange Here]] page. Where the same IP has changed it from stating it’s a mixtape to a compilation album when no sources exist referring to them as that but sources are referring to it as just a regular album. Although the artist did describe it as a “side project” but I don’t think that would qualify as either a mixtape or a compilation album? [[User:Pillowdelight|Pillowdelight]] ([[User talk:Pillowdelight|talk]]) 03:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

:::Okay, that makes more sense. I have semi-protected [[Everything's Strange Here]] for a week as regardless of what discussion has been taking place, the back-and-forth with the IPs needs to stop. I don't think a single source, rap-up.com, is sufficient to switch consensus that this is a bona-fide studio album. In either case, I think the best thing to do would be to expand the article a bit to make it more clear, if you can find sufficient source material. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 15:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>'''Did you know ...''' that people are strange, when you're a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHaGrZkkv4 stranger]" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)</small>

== Deletion of [[Harry Partridge]] ==

Hi, regarding the deletion of the article [[Harry Partridge]] which you closed, I feel the fact that a [[WP:RS]] published new and obviously non-trivial in-depth coverage of the subject matter towards the end of the deletion process (which in my opinion made the article easily pass [[WP:3REFS]]/[[WP:GNG]]) means the process shouldn't have been closed so early, before the previous voters had had a chance to look at the new source and re-assess their votes based on that new information. This is the [https://collider.com/best-youtube-animation-channels/ source] I'm talking about, for your reference. Additionally, the only vote cast after I brought that new coverage up was an unfortunate case of [[WP:WIKIHOUNDING]]. I pointed this out in the discussion, but the vote was nonetheless not stricken, instead, another user felt motivated to post a "[[WP:AGF]] Level 2 warning" on my talk page[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A101.50.250.88&type=revision&diff=1045994821&oldid=1045964134] and falsely claim there was "no reason" to assume Wikihounding[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FHarry_Partridge&type=revision&diff=1045992443&oldid=1045962552], which is very weird considering that if they had actually looked at the evidence as they claimed it's very clear: 

[[User:MrsSnoozyTurtle]] posted her deletion vote [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Harry_Partridge&diff=prev&oldid=1045960448] a mere minute (!) after posting this on my talk page: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:101.50.250.88&diff=prev&oldid=1045960382] where she even references another discussion ("the exchange below") I was having with another user about the Harry Partridge deletion article. She wasn't "patrolling" AfD's and found the article that way - her most recent edit at an AfD had happened several days earlier: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Justin_Stander&diff=prev&oldid=1045509693] (incidentally this is where our spat originated). It's obvious how she found her way there, that her vote was only motivated by malice, and that she spent no time whatsoever actually looking at the article/sources in question. It seems like a very bold-faced case of Wikihounding and I think it does deserve at least a warning of some kind, if nothing to make it clear to that user that it won't be OK to repeat that behavior. 

(If you should feel that I also deserve a warning for incivility I'd accept it, I understand I might have been too "frank" in some cases in the heat of the moment, but I do feel I wasn't worse than the people I was having the spats with, which might be a shitty excuse but there it is)

If the vote can not be re-opened, I'm wondering if you could help me by pointing out what the best way forward for me would be if I want to give the article at least a chance to be undeleted because I'm somewhat confused by the policy on this. I would be perfectly happy with a completely new vote because I think the last pre-redirect version of the article stood on its own two legs, but it's not clear to me whether this would be allowed. Per [[WP:RENOM]] it seems you should go through [[WP:UND]], and I don't have an issue waiting a month or whatever time would be recommended to do it, but on that page they actually make it clear it's for "restoring pages or files that were uncontroversially deleted via proposed deletion". Would having the article draftified and then (eventually) submitted through the draft process be a good way forward? Or would it just be considered "out-of-process recreation" and deleted again even if the draft was only let into "articlespace" after being approved by another editor? [[Special:Contributions/101.50.250.88|101.50.250.88]] ([[User talk:101.50.250.88|talk]]) 06:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)