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== Jesus's Death  ==

On this wiki page it said that Jesus died of crucifixion. Jesus was crucified on the cross and he came back to life . He never died of crucifixion.[[User:Malaquia100|Malaquia100]] ([[User talk:Malaquia100|talk]]) 20:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

:In order to "come back to life," wouldn't one have to die first?  With apologies to Salman Rushdie. [[User:Dumuzid|Dumuzid]] ([[User talk:Dumuzid|talk]]) 20:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:I agree with Dumuzid. How could Jesus 'come back to life' if he didn't die? [[User:Sheanobeano|Sheanobeano]] ([[User talk:Sheanobeano|talk]]) 00:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
: He did not die at all. He lived as much as his teachings live on.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 20:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::So you deny the resurrection then? [[User:Dumuzid|Dumuzid]] ([[User talk:Dumuzid|talk]]) 20:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::Other views exist: "[[Apostles' Creed|who suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried]]" [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 20:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::Every tenet of Christianity (and secular history) understands that he died on the cross. Find one reputable source that denies the crucifixion outright. (Because that appears to be what you are trying to do?) [[Special:Contributions/73.82.6.199|73.82.6.199]] ([[User talk:73.82.6.199|talk]]) 17:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

==The Miracle of Resurrection==
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Some scholars, notably [[Scholem Asch]], have re-interpreted the life of Jesus and described the crucifixion as a painful and bloody mock event, in which the Jewish and Palestinian followers rescued Jesus, while the Roman and Temple authorities were duped into believing that the crucifixion happened. In this regard it is worthwhile to re-read the book The Nazarene, by this author and re-interpret the Gospels.  
If the crucifixion was a mock event, then it explains how Jesus appeared again to his followers and disciples. To avoid recapture Jesus and John may have emigrated to [[Patmos]], with friends of [[Luke the Evangelist|Luke]] to look after them. Such a re-interpretation would indicate Jesus as co-author of the four Gospels and his brother James (in Jerusalem) being the Editor of the New Testament. The early life of Jesus, as described in the four Gospels would have been written by [[Mary, mother of Jesus|Mary]] and [[Saint Joseph|Joseph]], the parents of Jesus. [[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 05:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

:Umm, Asch was a dramatist, and this is just the Da Vinci Code. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 05:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
::The content and story may be more relevant than the author per se. Also, of course they knew how to rescue a Rabi or lame the Roman Legions.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 10:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
:::This topic was already discussed conclusively and archived in June/July. Were you hoping for a different answer by posting the exact same thing again? [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 13:08, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
::::The history has not changed. Neither has medicine nor resistance against the occupying Romans. The latter were lamed with sweetened wine and much more.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 15:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Neither has the fact that, as was discussed previously by every editor who replied, that this is a fringe theory by a non-expert. It only belongs here if you find reliable sources. The answer has not, and will not, change on this. [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 16:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
:Anything related to "the miracle of the resurrection" is story-telling. All we can do as an encyclopedia is provide the opinions of the most prominent scholars as to related events at that time period. Sholem Asch does not appear to be among those scholars. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 17:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
::The story is more relevant than the author.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 19:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
:::In an encyclopedia, the source is always relevant. If this article was about the story of Jesus as told by a particular sect; that might be different. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
::::“The story is more relevant than the author.” By that maxim, we should include equally fringe theories by unreliable sources such as “Jesus was a space alien”. We are all trying to be patient, but your refusal to listen to the unanimous response from several editors that describes WP’s requirements for sourcing, especially on such an important article, and your bringing this up multiple times in the hope for a different answer, flirts with [[WP:POV]] pushing. For at least the sixth time, this only belongs if you can find reliable sources that cover this. Asch is, for reasons covered in the multiple prior responses by multiple editors, not a scholar or [[WP:RS]] in this field. [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 00:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::this is a public place. please behave accordingly.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 11:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::I am. Are you? [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 13:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::“Jesus was a space alien”. please decide for your self. [[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 14:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Is Scholem Asch not a source. Why not? Was there only one Rabi to be rescued from the Romans? There was a system in place! Scholem Asch knew but why does no one else seem to know or want to know?[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 01:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, a random novelist was undoubtedly endowed with an esoteric ken. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 10:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::mr iskander323, this is a public place. please behave accordingly.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 11:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:::It's a community space, and you are currently wasting community time with your [[WP:RS|reliable source]]-deficient conjecture. So Asch dabbled in some bizarre ideas. Add it to his biography. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 11:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thinking of it this way, what are the implications for the past two thousand years, and the future?[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 09:44, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Which of you has read this book, or spoken with a qualified academic on this topic. Would you like to write to the Church in Jerusalem, instead of arguing here, and pretending to be learned scholars.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 11:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

:You have proven you are only interested in wasting the community’s time. There is no point in discussing this further. [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 13:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::Accusations on your talk page of "unprofessionalism and racism" by those whose comments you tried to strike here, along with refusal to listen to WP policy and more experienced editors' unanimous responses, along with repeatedly posting the same content, are significant enough that I am raising an admin incident regarding this. [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 13:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Read the book, and then talk. Without knowing, what exactly are you saying? Scholem Asch wrote more than thirty books. Which ones have you read.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 14:05, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:Don't be ridiculous. He's a novelist and it's a work of fiction. It has no place here and you are wasting everyone's time. [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 14:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::The official records with Pontious Pilate and the Temple have been lost over the centuries. The real story is retained through verbal and oral history, from generation to generation. May be the ancestors of Sholem Asch were also rescued this way from crucifixion. Many Rabis and sons were rescued from the Roman rascals, in a variety of ways, including sweet wine.[[User:JohnEC Jr|JohnEC Jr]] ([[User talk:JohnEC Jr|talk]]) 15:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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== What Jesus taught about money and wealth ==

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I would like to edit this page in order to expound on what Jesus taught about money and wealth, as it was a large (although often overlooked) focal point of his teachings. The page even shows an image of Jesus speaking with the "rich young ruler", but it makes no mention of what Jesus said to this man regarding his need to sell his possessions and give the money to the poor. Jesus taught this same thing to his disciples, the pharisees, and a large crowd of people following him. And in his sermon on the mount he talked extensively about money in relation to one's service to God, and God's ability to provide the things money normally buys (food and clothing). [[User:Brownt20|Brownt20]] ([[User talk:Brownt20|talk]]) 18:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

:We aren't interested in your personal opinions, not even in your personal reading of the Bible. [[WP:CITE]] [[WP:SOURCES]] for your claims. Meaning highbrow sources, the Bible won't do, see [[WP:RSPSCRIPTURE]]. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]])  19:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

::I fail to see how my request to edit the article amounts to "personal opinion". I'm talking about simply inserting more of Jesus' teachings into the section labeled as "teachings". If the Bible is not a source of Jesus' teachings, then there are many other teachings in this article which should be considered invalid.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Brownt20|Brownt20]] ([[User talk:Brownt20#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Brownt20|contribs]]) 19:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::::'''Comment''' re: {{tq|The Bible is not a reliable source}}: In order to better explain this to new editors such as {{ping|Steven1107}} it's probably best to define terms for them.  When "we" (Wikipedians) say "reliable source", we mean that something is suitable for citing what is stated in an article.  For ''anything'' that is interpretive in nature, a [[WP:SECONDARY]] source is necessary.  In the instance tgeorgescu is refering to, the Bible is the [[WP:PRIMARY]] source and does not explicitly say what you're saying it says - it's an interpretation. If you intend to say anything other than "the mystery of God is fulfilled in the days of the trumpet call by the 7th angel", then you need a reliable secondary source. To say that "biblically" or "scripturally" this means "completion" is interpretive. Secondary sources must meet the qualification of [[WP:RS]] (although a minority viewpoint could potentially be included, but in such a case, it would have to be [[WP:ATTRIBUTION]] rather than simply stated as fact).  To sum up, when writing about something the Bible says, unless what you are adding is explicitly stated in the text, then you must have a reliable secondary source to cite.  If you don't understand why, then go back to what I stated above and read the linked policies until you do understand it.
:::::That being said, '''''some''''' of what is in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Book_of_Revelation&diff=1160006625&oldid=1160006138 this edit] is OK, because it's straight from the text and is verifiable without interpretation; but some of it is ''very'' clearly not.  For example: "{{tq|third trimester of her pregnancy}}" - the text does not say this explicitly.  It would seem to be implied since she gives birth right away, but it's not stated.  ''Some'' of the other things are OK because they are stated in the text.  If you don't understand what's OK and what's not OK, ask.  But don't simply re-apply your exact edits when reverted - that's [[WP:EDITWAR|edit warring]] and we take a dim view of that.  We are a collaborative environment.  If your edit was reverted, pay attention to the reason given, and discuss on the talk page if you're not sure. [[User:Butlerblog|<span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="color:#333366;">Butler</span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#D2B48C;">Blog</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Butlerblog|talk]]) 12:32, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Copy/pasted by [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]])  19:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Per Butlerblog above: the article [[Christian views on poverty and wealth]] may provide some secondary sources that would pass muster. The New Testament section of that article uses far too much primary sourcing, but several of the secondary sources appear reasonable. Alternatively, one could simply link to that article from this one. [[User:Jtrevor99|Jtrevor99]] ([[User talk:Jtrevor99|talk]]) 22:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
:There is also more detail on Jesus' teachings in the [[Ministry of Jesus]] article. This main article on Jesus is better suited for discussing scholarly attempts to summarise the key points and flavours of his teachings rather than individual tidbits. I'm not opposed to having more discussion of his teachings on this article, even though the article is rather long. But it needs to be reliably sourced from academic biblical scholars. [[User:Anywikiuser|Anywikiuser]] ([[User talk:Anywikiuser|talk]]) 13:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

== Surrendering one's life to Jesus ==

The article is missing the topic on surrendering one's life to Jesus, also called giving your life to Jesus (often in form of prayer, for example the so-called "Salvation Prayer" or "Sinner's Prayer"). And as an example see this message with the salvation prayer in 100+ languages: https://message-for-you.net/languages/ [[Special:Contributions/77.8.49.228|77.8.49.228]] ([[User talk:77.8.49.228|talk]]) 18:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

:See: [[Sinner's prayer]]. I don't think we want to get well into particular branches of Christianity in an article about Jesus. That's long after his time. And that is definitely not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 19:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
::I do agree that the aforementioned website does not meet the criteria for a reliable source, but I would like to state for the record that I enjoy the image of a beagle carrying a letter with (presumably) a message about Jesus in its mouth. [[User:Connorlong90|Connor Long]] ([[User talk:Connorlong90|talk]]) 03:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)