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== Userbox ==

I have created a userbox for any other notts students and/or graduates. Heres what it looks like:
:{{User:Modest Genius/Template:User Notts Uni}}

To add it to your user page use <nowiki>{{subst:User:Modest Genius/Template:User Notts Uni}}</nowiki>.

Given the current controversies over userboxes I've left it within my namespace for now, this may or may not get moved at some point. Enjoy. [[User:Modest Genius|Modest Genius]] 20:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


:I have created other userboxes with the new logo:
{|width=100%
| <nowiki>{{User:Quastar/Userboxes/User Notts}}</nowiki>
| {{User:Quastar/Userboxes/User Notts}}
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| <nowiki>{{User:Quastar/Userboxes/User UNMC}}</nowiki>
| {{User:Quastar/Userboxes/User UNMC}}
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| <nowiki>{{User:Quastar/Userboxes/User UNNC}}</nowiki>
| {{User:Quastar/Userboxes/User UNNC}}
|}
This new userboxes will also correctly list your user page according to the alphabetical order in the [[:Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Nottingham]] page.
:- [[User:Quastar|quastar]] 17:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Grr. Why was this moved to Nottingham University? Its name is the University of Nottingham - [[User:Khendon|Khendon]] 12:22 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)

Wasn't there some controversy about them accepting funding from something dodgy? What was that about? [[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]] 22:43, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Why that connection to Malaysia? Just a lucky meeting or is there a sinister plan among British unis to share the world a la [[Treaty of Tordesillas]]?

Funding into something dodgy? I think that would be the tobacco - £3.8 million from British American Tobacco in 2001, for an ''International Centre for Corporate Social Responsibility''. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 18:20, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I've added a bit about that in the facts.  Anyone got any ideas what more I could write about the Uni? --[[User:80.1.241.104|80.1.241.104]] 20:23, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

: The Campus Fourteen is the local [[pub crawl]], isn't it?. You can write about other not-so-academical aspects.

== AUT greylisting ==

The article doesn't actuallly explain why the uni fell out with the AUT. --[[User:Ebz123|Ebz]] 22:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:Refused to negotiate with the union over pay. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 18:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== Figures ==

Does anyone know the endowment for the university? It seems like it recieves around £100 million in research grants but what about its own development fund? I know it's pretty substantial since alumni giving is over £1 million. Also, what is the true number of enrolled students? Thanks for any feedback. [[User:ArchonMeld|ArchonMeld]] 04:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
*Why don't you try the university's website? Or do you have a reason to believe that they'd be giving false figures? [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 10:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
**I'll add the link here as well -  http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/finance/fin_stats.htm. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 19:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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I took out some information about changes to bar closures and the like as there is no source for this, does anyone have this information?[[User:zeroRPM|zeroRPM]]

== University ratings ==

(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities]].)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#University ratings]]. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 23:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

== Campus 14 ==

I swear there used to be a Campus 14 article on here, what happened to it? It was quite a large article as I recall.[[User:Spanky Deluxe|Spanky Deluxe]] 01:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:There did indeed, it appears it was speedy deleted in December (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Campus_14]). Perhaps worth speaking to the admin in question or running a DRV? If I remember correctly it WAS quite substantial, which would be a bit strange to be speedied [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm, yes I tend to agree here. A substantial article has been replaced by a one-liner. Does seem a bit strange. [[User:Lan3y|Lan3y]] 23:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
This may be due to university officials who did not like the bar crawl to be publicised - the page had routes between halls and rules of drinking and so may have been thought to encourage it. clearly a case of censorship. [[User:128.243.220.22|128.243.220.22]] 22:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)claire[[User:128.243.220.22|128.243.220.22]] 22:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dropped 'The' in name ==

I haven't found a source explicitly saying so, but every official source shows the name of the institution as '''The University of Nottingham''', ''including'' the "The". This may seem like a minor point, but I have had personal experience of people getting somewhat annoyed about this in other contexts (esp journal publications). Was this intentional / due to some stupid guideline / a mistake? [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:Dropping the definite article is deliberate and it is per [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Avoid_the_definite_article_.28.22the.22.29_and_the_indefinite_article_.28.22a.22.2F.22an.22.29_at_the_beginning_of_the_page_name|this policy]].  The test case, as it were, for the rule as it applies to Universities, is ''(The) [[Ohio State University]]'' - that article is currently with the mediation cabal and the arguments are probably all rehearsed at [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-11 Ohio State University|the case page]].  The guideline only applies to page names, though.  I have bolded the ''"the"'' in the aritcle intro and (experimentally) added it to the infobox.  What do you think? — [[User:Mholland|mholland]] 22:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28definite_and_indefinite_articles_at_beginning_of_name%29 specifically allows the use of The in the case of 'official names', but disallows it in the case of universities. However, there is a caveat:
::"On the other hand, some universities religiously refer to themselves as "... The University of X..." even in running text. If such usage is prevalent on university press releases and press kits, contact information, "about" pages, and internal department websites, and it is reasonably common in external sources (try a Google search), then it is more appropriate to name the Wikipedia article The University of X. For example"
::which I think definitely applies in this case. Of course, that's only a guideline and [[WP:IAR]] suggests we can ignore it at will. Thanks for the quick response (And edit) [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The University of Nottingham should always be referred to as 'The University of Nottingham', including the 'The' with a capital T. It is explicitly stated in the University's brand guidelines. See: http://nottingham.ac.uk/corporate-id  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.110.65.156|81.110.65.156]] ([[User talk:81.110.65.156|talk]]) 07:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Daughter articles ==

This article has [[:Category:University of Nottingham|quite a large number of forks]] (more than most other British Universities).  Some of these are of borderline notability, but giving those the benefit of the doubt for the moment, would anyone oppose a consolidation of some of the branches of this article along the following lines?

{|class=wikitable
|-
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*[[King's Meadow Campus]]
*[[Jubilee Campus]]
*[[University Park Campus]]
*[[Sutton Bonington Campus]]
*[[University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus]]
*[[University of Nottingham, Ningbo, China]]
|→
|[[Campuses of the University of Nottingham]]
|-
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*[[Nottingham University Gliding Club]]
*[[Munro Pineapple Society]]
*[[Nottingham University Mountaineering Club]]
*[[Nottingham University Society of Change Ringers]]
*[[The University of Nottingham Hillwalking and Rambling Society]]
|→
|[[Student societies of the University of Nottingham]]
|}

There are other schemes which might be suggested for consolidation here. There is a current proposal to merge [[Impact (student magazine)]] into [[University of Nottingham Students' Union]].  I think [[Jabberwocky (writing magazine)]] should probably merge in there too.  Any thoughts? — [[User:Mholland|mholland]] [[User_talk:Mholland|(talk)]] 16:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would support merging the various campus and magazine articles. The society articles are all valid [[WP:CSD#A7|A7]]s and I'd delete them myself if this wasn't my own university. Merging them all would be the beginnings of an unmanagable list. &ndash; [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 18:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
: I would support merging the magazine articles as above, but am concerned that a super-article about all of the campuses could become a bit unwieldy. Also there might be a tendency to cut out information which would be left in were each campus to retain its own page. It could be an idea to construct it in a temporary page to see if it is indeed feasible though. [[User:Lan3y|Lan3y]] 22:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

::The existing text of all of the campus articles put together is less than 20kB.  Unlike the student societies, the campuses are a stable, clearly-definable set: I don't think there is a chance of an article becoming 'unwieldy'.  There shouldn't be a tendency to cut out information: you'd be within your rights to defend material that meets policy, whether on a single page or otherwise.  The opposite may also be the case: keeping those campus articles separate attracts cruft.
::I have prodded the societies articles, per Steel359's concerns - they are of varying standards, and not speedying them will give editors an opportunity to prove any notability which I may have missed. — [[User:Mholland|mholland]] [[User_talk:Mholland|(talk)]] 18:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Sounds reasonable. &ndash; [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 20:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Prods for [[Nottingham University Gliding Club]] and [[Nottingham University Society of Change Ringers]] have been contested.  I have not moved for a deletion discussion of the Gliding Club article - an anon has argued in favour of its notability [[Talk:Nottingham University Gliding Club|here]].  The Society of Change Ringers I have taken to AfD; the discussion may be found at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nottingham University Society of Change Ringers]]. — [[User:Mholland|mholland]] [[User_talk:Mholland|(talk)]] 15:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

===Proposed merge of campus articles===

I have proposed that the following articles be merged together into [[Campuses of the University of Nottingham]].

*[[King's Meadow Campus]]
*[[Jubilee Campus]]
*[[University Park Campus]]
*[[Sutton Bonington Campus]]

The international campuses ([[University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus|Malaysia]], [[University of Nottingham, Ningbo, China|Ningbo, China]]) have, I think, a greater claim to separate articles.  Any opinions? — [[User:Mholland|mholland]] [[User_talk:Mholland|(talk)]] 14:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:In the absence of any opposition, I have performed the above merge. — [[User:Mholland|mholland]] [[User_talk:Mholland|(talk)]] 19:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== GA failed ==

this article needs further work to make GA status

*The whole article is badly lacking in sources
*The lead should be used to summarise content introduced in the main body
*The parts about the current chancellor, VC and the rankings of hte univeristy need to be dealt with in the main body, and at the moment the lead is mostly focused on the rankings and heads aspects
*The lead at the moment only has current events and very little history
*The dates need to use a consistent formatting style. At the moment it is quite irregular ibn terms of date linking
*History section has no sources. It is also recentist with about 70% of the history coming from the 20% most recent years and likely could be generally expanded
*The coat of arms should probably have its own section
*The campus section also has a lack of references in most places
*The pub appears to be distinctly non notable
*Single sentence paragraphs need to be expanded or merged.
*What is offered by the Overseas campuses. What is the status of hte outposts in those places?
*Other departments need to be expanded otherwise the MEd school has undue weight
*Admin strucutre needs sources
*We need more information about sponsorship and funding, commercial partnerships and the like.
*The student union for mine seems definitely undue weight. The other thing is that there are no possible sources for most of these things except for the union themselves, and student unions have a very poor honesty record
*The controversises section should be put in their own history and research policy sections, as they would avoid the standalone controversy sections and their POv complications
*There should be more information on undergraduate and postgraduate courses and facilities, a lot of detail is missing in this article. You should check [[WP:GA]] and look at other university GAs here

Best regards, '''[[User:Blnguyen|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">Blnguyen</span>]]'''  (''[[User talk:Blnguyen|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'') 03:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Do We Want a Good Nottingham Article? ==

I edited the whole article yesterday in an attempt to bring it up to "good article status;" but someone restored the old article, which is generally not of good scholarship and was criticized by the peer reviewers and other people. However, I understand the restorer's point. [[User:Omnis7|Omnis7]] ([[User talk:Omnis7|talk]]) 14:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC).

:I reverted the changes as I thought that in general they made the article a worse place. Sections should never be just ''see this page'', they should at least include summaries. Campus 14 being removed is just plain WRONG - a quick google search turns up plenty of matches, and having watched people on campus14 go around campus every week for the past 4 years, it's a major part of student culture. It actually used to have its own article, and I'm pretty certain it still redirects here. I admit the article needs work, and I know that simply uploading photos doesn't generally help, but I feel that we need to make sure we don't just remove everything which doesn't conform simply because a GA reviewer says so. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 15:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

For those who attended Nottingham, friends of Nottingham, or who care about good articles in general, let's suggest ways to improve this article. Nottingham's reputation should be equalled by the quality of the article here on Wikipedia.

My suggestions on improving the article are the following:

The article needs to be organised properly:

*Sources must be included to verify '''all''' information in the article.
*The introduction should not contain rankings or enrollment figures; these data can be placed in their own section in the article. A basic description of the type of university should be done, omitting subjective terms such as "leading university" or a "top university." We are not here to promote Nottingham.
*The history should contain sources verifying information.
*The organization section should be moved up the page for continued logical flow of the article and include references to the current chancellor.
*The campus section should either have no summaries or a small summary on the campuses, so not to detract from the articles created for describing the campuses in detail.
*A section called '''academics''' should be created to describe the divisions of the university, '''latest''' rankings, research.
*A section should be added to describe enrollment figures and student life; in this section, a small summary or no summary of students' union, as an article already exists describing it.
*The notable alumni section should be the last item discussed in the article.

[[User:Omnis7|Omnis7]] ([[User talk:Omnis7|talk]]) 17:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with pretty much all of that, though IMO there should ALWAYS be summaries of main articles. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 18:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Mattbuck, I will not begin to edit the article until I read what people have to say; however, we should not wait indefinitely for people's suggestions. I will consider your suggestion and include brief summaries describing the main articles [[User:Omnis7|Omnis7]] ([[User talk:Omnis7|talk]]) 00:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC).

:Go ahead, and my apologies for reverting rashly earlier. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 02:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Hich Yezza Case ==

I added a comment to the controversies section regarding the recent Hicham Yezza case. Unfortunately i know very little about this so feel free to add whatever you know. --[[User:Thebeca|Thebeca]] ([[User talk:Thebeca|talk]]) 19:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
{{Talk:University of Nottingham/GA1}}

== Nutrients ==

"However there is controversy as to whether the meals satisfy the daily nutrient requirements of students.". What?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/201.80.224.69|201.80.224.69]] ([[User talk:201.80.224.69|talk]]) 05:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: That sentence was vandalism; I've reverted it. [[User:Adam McMaster|Adam McMaster]] ([[User talk:Adam McMaster|talk]]) 17:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Svenja Adolphs ==

Is there a reason why Svenja Adolphs is referred to as 'Madam Svenja Adolphs'? She holds a doctorate and the academic position of Associate Professor, so presumably 'Dr Svenja Adolphs' would be most fitting, unless there is some other reason for it? [[Special:Contributions/128.243.253.112|128.243.253.112]] ([[User talk:128.243.253.112|talk]]) 16:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Establishment date vs official Royal Charter ==

It is important for Wikipedia university articles to provide any debatable 'establishment date' only alongside an official [[royal charter]] date; the date at which the institution gained university status. An obvious reason for this is that various polytechnics which resembled nothing like a university until the past 20 years can, very vaguely and contentiously, 'trace' their 'history' back to somebody having sneezed in about 1864, and editors trying to make their university look more prestigious accordingly go with the earliest possible date.

Now, I do not think for a second this is the case with Nottingham, a great university. However, the same way Birmingham and Leeds started with medical schools in 1825 and 1831 respectively, but did not actually gain status until 1900 and 1904, the same thing applies to Nottingham. In the case of Birmingham there are ''some'' posters around campus that say it was established in 1825.. but I think this really depends on the people running the marketing campaign at the time. Only the royal charter date is official. You might argue that Nottingham was at least founded as a university college rather than a medical college. But Bristol was founded as a university college and they follow the same standard: 1876 technically, but always 1909 ''officially''.--[[User:Tomsega|Tomsega]] ([[User talk:Tomsega|talk]]) 12:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Great University my A.

If its so great it wouldn't have to constantly falsify its start date. 1798 ?? 

No, You became a Uni in 1948, end of story.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/120.141.255.23|120.141.255.23]] ([[User talk:120.141.255.23|talk]]) 16:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Reputation ==

There seems to be copious amounts of references to league tables in the article, and lines which seem to contain a strong element of bias by blaming parts of newer league tables for artificially deflating the university's ranking. Rankings that haven't been superceded by a new table are fair enough, as is a historical table of rankings, but to make claims that Nottingham is part of the 'elite' Sutton Trust group (no such official group exists, it was merely the 13 highest in the 1999 tables) of the highest ranking universities is misleading- this has been made clear and then edited back to the old misleading version by another user. There have been eleven annual tables since, and if the Trust made that table today it would contain different universities. You cannot be selective on what statistics to use to only select the most favourable rankings and comments (like Andrew Oswald's comment nine years ago), especially when there have been changes in the meantime. I'm all for keeping our reputation area looking good, but we must be honest about it. [[Special:Contributions/86.30.211.218|86.30.211.218]] ([[User talk:86.30.211.218|talk]]) 20:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Rankings and Reputation/Date ==

Nottingham University themselves states their date of establishment as 1881. That is official, and used in all university branding and merchandise. I went there so I should know. Besides, many universities dont use Royal Charter. Take Cambridge, they celebrated their 800th anniversary last year with all sorts of celebrations. Yet they were not granted their royal charter in 1209, but a good 70 years later. Oxford is the same, so in Manchester. I trust the university themselves to set their own date, not some kid on an internet forum. What gives some random bloke the right to say that 'Royal Charter' must be used. Are you saying that Cambridge are wrong?

As for the changes in the reputation section recently, all of the statistics stated are real and within the past decade. When exactly have only selective statistics been used? It says that Nottingham has been top 10 in national and international tables, and this is true. If you work out the average it has been 11th in domestic league tables (10th until couple of years ago), and top 10 in international ones. Besides, in Nottingham's own official blurb in prospectuses and on its website, its says that it is a 'top 10' university. If they say so, then I believe them.

Moreover, you cant reference absolutely everything, it just ruins the prose and flow of the article and debases it, making it look unprofessional. The NSS being controversial, and negatively affecting big institutions is well known to anyone familiar with HE and current rankings. As for the Oswald thing, who says that it is 'old', he hasn't released a new article saying his findings have changed. That paragraph focuses on Nottingham's recent reputation, and statements from official sources to that fact. Recent, for a university that is over 130 years old, is certainly in the last 15 years. If you say that some things are out of date now, then are you suggesting that the university has suddenly gone down hill in the last 5 years and is not as prestigious any more, and thus any past statements praising Nottingham are defunct? It sees to me that a couple of people with a vendetta against Nottingham are editing the article to try and make Nottingham seem not very good. That is vandalism.

Besides, has anybody read the pages of other similar universities. They are ridiculous in their unjustified statements. See Edinburgh, Kings and UCL for example, writing about how 'prestigious' and 'great' they are, selecting the odd ranking and data that paint them best. All uni pages do it. This article is the most accurate and reliable UK uni page I've seen, and doubting all of the claims praising the university by official bodies/figures does the university a disservice.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.203.167.199|90.203.167.199]] ([[User talk:90.203.167.199|talk]]) 21:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===Dubious Historial Claim===
This statement is so off the wall "Indeed, the existence of the Adult Education School has resulted in Nottingham becoming a loose contender for the crown of third oldest university in the United Kingdom, after Oxford and Cambridge". The University of St Andrews (established 1413), University of Glasgow (established 1451), University of Aberdeen (established 1495), University of Edinburgh (established 1583) and Trinity College, Dublin (established 1592) were all going strong long before expanding the University sector in England or Wales ever occurred.  I have deleted the phrase from the article ~ it is too far from the truth. [[Special:Contributions/79.73.252.164|79.73.252.164]] ([[User talk:79.73.252.164|talk]]) 21:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== really bad article ==

i am a graduate of nottingham.  however i must point out that this article is terrible.  quite a lot of this article is nothing more than a list of buildings and programs offered.  it is also obvious that quite a lot of the text was copied from the university brochure, because that it says is how wonderful the university is and how many awards it has won.  this article is definitely NOT a GA, more like a stub.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Greg.loutsenko|Greg.loutsenko]] ([[User talk:Greg.loutsenko|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greg.loutsenko|contribs]]) 08:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Campus 14 - redirects here. ==

I followed a link to the "Campus 14", a Nottingham University pub crawl, and was brought to this article. It doesn't seem to be mentioned at all in this article, so is there some reason for the redirect? I understand that the pub crawl is officially frowned upon by the university (no uni can be seen to be promoting irresponsible drinking, I suppose), but I'm not sure whether this is relevant.[[Special:Contributions/212.124.225.66|212.124.225.66]] ([[User talk:212.124.225.66|talk]]) 16:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

== Propaganda rather than encyclopedic. ==

I would agree with the comments made about the tone of this article. The first paragraph is ridiculously over the top in its promotion of Nottingham. This should be a more objective and understated analysis rather than a constant referencing to various exagerated quotations from newspaper league tables. Nottingham is undoubtably a good university, but not as good as the introduction implies. I think that anyone would be suprised that Nottingham only comes around 20th in most league tables nowadays upon reading this prospectus like article.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Landan19|Landan19]] ([[User talk:Landan19|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Landan19|contribs]]) 16:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Nobel error ==

"Nottingham is a research-led institution and the university has been awarded two Nobel Prizes this decade."

Universities can't be awarded Nobels, only people.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.113.37.7|193.113.37.7]] ([[User talk:193.113.37.7|talk]]) 11:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

{{Talk:University of Nottingham/GA2}}

== reputation tables ==

Hi, replaced the tables with infobox. It's much more convenient and cleaner for browsing, data going all the way back to 1994 is not needed for a general encyclopedia. Its also in use in pretty much all good UK uni articles.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]] ([[User talk:Xyphoid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xyphoid|contribs]]) 18:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Merging of controversy section ? ==

All universities have controversies but none make a whole section about it as it can often blow it out of proportion and skewer a long term view of the institution. 

I suggest removing the minor controversy over 2001 donation and mergin the nottingham two thing into the history section[[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]] ([[User talk:Xyphoid|talk]]) 18:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

== Logo ==

Yesterday the discussion and image ([[:File:Nott logo.gif]]) of the old logo was [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=University_of_Nottingham&diff=536550622&oldid=536550124 removed] from the article, with the reason 'I really don't think an in detail discussion of different logos is required for a general history, welcome to discuss on talk page'. I think the logo should at least be shown and mentioned (although one sentence is probably enough), because:
*It helps to identify the article, especially to those familiar with the old logo.
*The rebranding was relatively recent, and although it happened in 2001 the old logo was still in fairly common usage until at least 2006.
*The evolution of the aspect of the university which is most recognisable to the public is of general interest.
*It's only one sentence and a small image, so doesn't take up much space.
What does everyone else think? Note that the image is uploaded under fair-use, so we only have another 6 days to make a decision before it gets automatically deleted. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
:I agree in keeping it, and agree with reasons stated above. Unlike, for example, a prospectus, an encyclopedia article should be timeless, so if the logo is of interest, all its historical forms are of equal interest. [[User:SamuelTheGhost|SamuelTheGhost]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheGhost|talk]]) 23:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
::In the absence of any opposition, I'm adding it back. I'm open to suggestions for better text to go with it. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
As before I would argue that it's not needed. Universities change their logos all the time, do we need a history of all the logos going back to the 19th century ? You wouldn't find it on any other university article b/c it's too specific and not a major event in the history of the university. Not sure about identifying the article. There's a whole crest and the title, also it's half way down the page. I agree it's not a major issue tho. So keep for now, I've moved it to the left for ease of reading. [[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]] ([[User talk:Xyphoid|talk]]) 20:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

==Boosterism==
There seem to be far too many references to Oxford and Oxbridge in the lead which comes across as a rather crass attempt at [[boosterism]] (I'm a Nottingham alumnus) [[User:Francium12|Francium12]] ([[User talk:Francium12|talk]]) 16:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Couple of changes ==

I have moved the pic of the downs to the bottom of the page as it was causeing a gap to appear between paragraphs. I have also included the name 'London University' in the info box so people reailise that it was a university prior to 1948.

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== Article Tone ==

Aside from a few controversies at the bottom, this article feels more like something written by Nottingham's PR department than a wikipedia or other encyclopedia article. The article is full of unverifiable value statements and PR-style text. Nottingham is "leading". A recent architect who designed buildings for Nottingham is "great". "Nottingham's research excellence was confirmed". "Family-friendly". "Unique". "a year-round programme of high quality". "prized and unique". "hospitality spaces specifically designed to be flexible enough for a variety of needs.". Obviously, any good article should express the positive aspects of its subject, but this article seems more like propaganda than an encyclopedia article. Other top
world university pages are generally written in a more neutral fashion. -- July 5, 2009

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== Change of VC ==

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The University of Nottingham's Vice-Chancellor changes on 2 October; this is already the subject of a cited statement in the existing article.

I have a COI here as the University is my employer (and I am therefore making this an edit request).

Changes would be needed in three places:
# The fact file
# The 'people' section at the foot of the page, where the link to the wikipedia page on Sir David Greenaway can be replaced with a link to that relating to [[Shearer West]]
# In the paragraph headed "Governance", the final two sentences can be replaced by "In October 2017, [[Shearer West]] was announced as the next Vice-Chancellor, succeeding [[David Greenaway]] [35].  (The existing citation can remain as evidence pending updates of the University website).

: I will make the changes after 2nd October, remind me if I forget. You can ping me on this talk page using <nowiki>{{ping|Aloneinthewild}}</nowiki> [[User:Aloneinthewild|Aloneinthewild]] ([[User talk:Aloneinthewild|talk]]) 09:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Aloneinthewild}} -  thanks for your help -  I know it's only just after 2 October, but can I check you haven't forgotten?
[[User:Daldred|David Aldred]] ([[User talk:Daldred|talk]]) 08:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
:: Looking at it now, thanks for the ping. [[User:Aloneinthewild|Aloneinthewild]] ([[User talk:Aloneinthewild|talk]]) 17:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Correction to 'Other campuses' section  ==

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In the section 'Other campuses' the statement

"The campus is centred on the historic manor of Sutton Bonington and, like University Park campus, retains many of its own private botanic gardens and lakes '''open only to its students'''." 

This is incorrect, the university has a public access policy see https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/sustainability/grounds/friendsofuniversitypark.aspx

Suggested modification replace above with:
"The campus is centred on the historic manor of Sutton Bonington and retains many of its own botanic gardens and lakes"
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