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==Lead==
(quote) ''The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya'' (涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yūutsu?)is the name of a 2006 anime based on a series of novels by the same name.

Hmmm... this wording unfortunately ascribes "the same name" to the whole series of novels, rather than the first novel only. How about:

''The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya'' (涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yūutsu) is the name of a 2006 anime based on a [[Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels)|series of novels]] the first of which bears the same name.

--[[User:Iain David Stewart|Iain David Stewart]] 23:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:I agree with this. I'm about to perform some clean up to the test article, and I'll include this change. One major change is the exclusion of the Themes section which seems to be nothing more than fan speculation.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 05:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== GA? ==

I was just looking through this page, and it seems like it may pass GA. It's well written, verifiable, neutral, and covers a large range of the material, appropriate for it. Interested in nominating it?[[User:Sbloemeke|Sbloemeke]] 11:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Sure, why not?--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 11:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== No merger: ==

We already established this at [[WP:HARUHI]]. The light novel and anime should not be in the same article, as the light novel only deals with episodes 2, 3, 5, 10, 13, and 14. The other 8 episodes are not from that light novel. Thus why we need two articles.
I'm going to remove the merger suggestion.[[User:Sbloemeke|Sbloemeke]] 11:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:I also agree on this point and the fact that when the second season roles around, we're going to need a separate page for the anime anyway.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 11:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

==Evaluation for GA==

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The pictures are fine.  You might want to have to have a spoilers tag in the plot section.  However the writing seems a little POV in the fan section: "The series has been met with '''immense''' popularity and a dedicated fanbase, and has become a cult television series." "The concept of Haruhiism is '''humorously''' portrayed by fans to be somewhat of a pseudoreligion, with Haruhi as "God."" In the episodes section, there's problems with the prose: "During the previews for the next episode, the viewers are '''always''' given two different numbers for the following episode ('''except''' for episode number twelve), one number from Haruhi, who numbers the episodes according to where they '''actually''' fit chronologically in the plot, and one number from Kyon, who lists the episode numbers in the order in which they aired."  In the first half of the article, there are several paragraphs without citations.  A bit needs to be done unfortunately :(.◙◙◙ '''[[User:Kmarinas86| I M Kmarinas86 ]][[User talk:Kmarinas86| U O 2¢ ]]''' ◙◙◙ 01:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Fixed. The prose has been cleaned up and references added. Anything else? <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="background:Silver;color:Black">'''[[User:Sephiroth BCR|Sephiroth BCR]]''' '''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|Converse]])'''</span></span> 06:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::Better.  At this point, I think it has a better chance of making it.◙◙◙ '''[[User:Kmarinas86| I M Kmarinas86 ]][[User talk:Kmarinas86| U O 2¢ ]]''' ◙◙◙ 12:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Are you saying we should try a renom, or that it is just better?[[User:Sbloemeke|Sbloemeke]] 22:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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::::This article fine, though it might be toned down a bit. "The series has been met with a great deal of popularity and a dedicated fanbase..." The phrase "dedicated fanbase" is good, but a "great deal of popularity" is unclear wording.  What is a deal? LOL.  This article still makes it though.  Passed.◙◙◙ '''[[User:Kmarinas86| I M Kmarinas86 ]][[User talk:Kmarinas86| U O 2¢ ]]''' ◙◙◙ 00:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

==Product Placement==
Apparantly, the 10th episode of [[Lucky Star (manga)|Lucky Star]], an anime which is also produced by Kyoto Animation, contained explicit product placement for the Haruhi Vol 5 DVD, it might be worth a mention.
Link to source: [http://animearimasu.animeblogger.net/2007/06/13/lucky-star-10/] - [[User:Vadigor|Vadigor]] 20:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think so. If anything, that is blatent trivia since the reference was 1) very brief, and 2) Lucky Star has a ton of references to other anime, which could be seen as "product placement" too.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 00:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::There has been many Haruhi references in Lucky Star; I just seen a few in episode 12 (phone cards, posters, ad truck, manga, figures, etc.) I have seen references in Hayate no Gotoku a few times, so just mentioned that this anime was referenced in X and Y series (I am not a big fan of trivia, but if there has to be some, this might be doable). [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 06:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

== ASOS Brigade ==

So, I noticed that this section is becoming larger and larger. Should it be its own article, perhaps, with a link from here?[[User:Sbloemeke|Sbloemeke]] 13:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think that asosbrigade.com would qualify for it's own article per [[WP:WEB]] if that is what you mean to do. The basis of that entire section is the website, so I think for now we should just keep it here, or trim it down some of some information that is more or less cruft, or otherwise unimportant to the subject matter.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 22:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::Does it really need much more of a mention other than it exists?[[User:Sbloemeke|Sbloemeke]] 03:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== AnimeExpo 2007 ==
Ok, I just got back from that today, and this is what I can personally tell you. Yes, the three Haruhi gals were present at AX, but were late. They were not present at the opening ceremony, since they were flying over San Francisco in a prepared message to us. The dance contest was held on Friday and Saturday (with the winners announced on Saturday). The concert was held, but was delayed due to technical issues, but they were still present during the show. The winners did go and danced with the gals, but during the actual contest, the Bandai USA gals were there (I didn't take photos since I was on one of the dancing team). I know they had an autograph signing, but that had some issues and not sure if they were present at the closing ceremony, since I was already back home when it began). Anyways, I did take photos, I did cosplay as Kyon, so I will need to see how my camera held up and see if any pics came out. [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 06:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
:Hare Hare Yukai pictures came out OK, but pictures of some of the cosplayers and the manga books I purchased failed. Anyways, uploaded one of them. Enjoy [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 21:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

== Music ==

"There were four insert songs included in the anime."

In fact there is a fifth. The last piece of classical music in "Day of Sagittarius" is the end of the last movement of Symphony No. 4 In F Minor by Peter Tchaikovsky.

== Ratings ==

It has been mentioned that it is unclear as to exactly how popular the show is.  Anime News Network voters currently rate it number 9 rated anime and number 7 most popular anime.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/ratings-anime.php
Citable, quantitative... Should easily fit into reception and fandom, no? [[User:Lord Stu|Lord Stu]] 21:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, however, I assume the ratings chart changes every so often...? That means the source wouldn't convey the same information if checked upon by someone at a latter time due to shifts. It's not permanent.[[User:Fox816|Fox816]] 23:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== Dance section? ==

The dance from the ending credits of the show is rather popular in many parts of Japan and America, and it's not uncommon to see people dancing it (or to find videos on YouTube of people dancing it). This is something that I've never seen for various other anime, and I think there should a section added to the article about it. I mention this because I've actually never seen the anime, but I'm extremely familiar with the dance simply through exposure, and it seems strange that the article doesn't mention it. --[[User:Egocentrism04|Egocentrism04]] 23:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:The main reason it isn't mentioned is that its popularity can only be cited via youtube, or blogging sites, which should not be present in a Good Article. And besides, there's an image of cosplayers at AX doing the dance, and it's noted in the fandom section near the photo.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 23:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)