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==Gemzies==
Hello Beetstra, 

I have posted an link to the Quentin Tarantino Gemzies on The Quentin Tarantino Wiki. In my opinion is this a great addition to this Wiki, because it provides a great archive of video's, books, pictures, blogs and websites. 

Could you please reconsider your removal on the The Quentin Tarantino Wiki.

Thanks!

Kind Regards, 

MarcelB
<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.87.215.136|83.87.215.136]] ([[User talk:83.87.215.136|talk]]) 10:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I am sorry, firstly, we are writing an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]] here, [[WP:NOT#REPOSITORY|not a linkfarm]] (see also our [[WP:EL|our external links guideline]]), and secondly, you were performing link additions only, which is considered [[WP:SPAM|spamming]] on wikipedia.  Please consider adding content, and when your site provides the information, you can use the site as a reference (if it complies with [[WP:RS|our reliable sources content guideline]].  Happy editing.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 10:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:By the way, could you (also) respond to the report on [[WT:WPSPAM|the wikipedia project on spam]], thanks.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 10:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


<small>— Dear Dirk, 

Thank you for you reaction and your explanation. It's all clear now! Please accept my appologies for breaking you Guidelines!

Kind regards MarcelB{{unsigned|83.87.215.136}}

:OK, hope to see you around.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 12:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== RA DJ ==

I completely respect and appreciate the standards that need to be maintain. I just think you administration should be looking at the information from an informational point of view. The content is undeniably far more important and useful to anyone on the said subject.

I am personally very disappointed the 'RA DJ' template was removed without question. Especially since the artists in question are managing and updating the content on their RA DJ Pages. 

It's a shame. 

Does it help that RA's DJ Pages are top ranking in google for the search results due to the unique informational value?

[[User:Paulclement|Paulclement]] 12:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I have done some research, and you really seem to have a conflict of interest here (alexa says you are the site owner).  I am sure your site may be of good value to wikipedia, but as it stands now you are breaking quite a number of policies and guidelines.  I really suggest you take this up with an appropriate wikiproject, discuss with them, and when they endorse your site, and/or a template that can be used.  Just as a remark, as we are writing an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]] here, and [[WP:NOT#LINK|repository]], I would suggest you provide ''contents'' with references to the pages on wikipedia, not external links only.  External links hardly improve the wikipedia, but merely tunnel people away from this encyclopedia (and that [[WP:AGF|suggestion]] gets bigger since you appear to have a conflict of interest).  
:I am afraid that the [[Wikipedia:Google test]] does not prove a lot.  Hope this explains.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 12:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the clinical response. I unfortunately don't have time to dig around the wikiproject to try to find how to discuss something with someone about something that is so simple. I'll leave it. - [[User:Paulclement|Paulclement]] 13:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I am sorry that I sound clinical.  I do not have time to dig around and merit the actual site.  I do see that you were performing a handful of link additions, and were trying to get your site on several pages.  I am sorry, but the guidelines and policies are just against building linkfarms, however appropriate the links are.  They all suggest to discuss it first.  Hope you find your way around anyway.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 13:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== MidwayUSA ==

Hey, thanks for catching [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MidwayUSA&diff=156277476&oldid=156276940 that]. - [[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony]] 14:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:You're welcome.  An editor with an apparent [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] put the link on the monitorlist of [[User:COIBot|COIBot]], resulting in your edit being reported.  So I checked.  Hope to see you around.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 14:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Ciffob - COI? ==

Hi Dirk

Could you take a look at the contributions by {{user|Ciffob}}? This seems a bit more complicated than what I usually deal with. I've reverted the spam addition to [[Packaging and labelling]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Packaging_and_labelling&diff=156415953&oldid=156330893], but I am not very sure how to deal with the captions on [[Silica gel]] and [[Desiccant]]. Thanks! --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 04:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:I have reverted, and reported it [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#..._now_this_one_I_had_not_seen_before.|here]].  Blatant company spam, especially since there is already a similar, non-advertising, image in place.  I am still surprised sometimes that people, maybe while they are [[WP:AGF|thinking that they are improving the wikipedia]], add typical commercial links to a neutral, informative page.  Don't they realise that that edit they perform may be a bit suspicious, as there are no commercials there, and that there may be a reason for that?  Ah well.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 08:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

::Ah right. Thanks! --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 08:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

== Why you send me a Warning... Legit link that isn't posted. ==

I posted a link for the MSDS information on Silica Gel, follow the link and you will see it's legit. So why you send me a black list warning and warn me?

Isn't the MSDS good information to this subject?

Arcarocket<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Arcarocket|Arcarocket]] ([[User talk:Arcarocket|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcarocket|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Your account is doing link-additions only, and since wikipedia is an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]], [[WP:NOT#LINK|not a linkfarm]], I gave you first a welcomeg and a good faith warning.  Still, after that warning you insist in a) adding only the link, and b) also removing another one, both without discussion, and the link you add is to the top of the list.  For me that looks like blatant pushing of one link.  Are you by any chance involved in the site you are linking to?
:And yes, an MSDS might be a good link, but there is already an MSDS there, and we don't need to link to all possible MSDSs that are available.  Please review the necessary [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines|policies and guidelines]] that we work under, here.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 07:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not, the reason I posted (never done so ever before, so I do appologize if I was doing something wrong) but do you know how hard it is to find the MSDS for this product in US. It's about impossible. The only other MSDS attached to this conversation is a UK version, not a US version. If you look at both MSDS you will notice they are completely different. I searched a long time and could not come up with this information. That is why I believe this information is worthy of being on this site, because it's not available anywhere else that I could find. It would have made it a lot easier for people like me in trying to find this information. I will try and repost the link at the bottom and rename it US Material Safety Data Sheet, would that work? It would make it unique and provide the necessary information regarding these chemicals for US shipping rules/needs.

Also I would like to post some information about "recharging" Silica Gel Packets as this is another topic that is hard to find any information about. I will post later today, but just wanted to warn you and explain why I think it would be a good addition. Again Silica Gel Packets information is very hard to find and the Silica Gel is rechargeable. Again this information is very hard to find and from my experience the manufacture is reluctant to give up the information because they just want you to purchase more.   If you disagree with any of my postings I understand, but wanted to try and be upfront and communicate why I thought these would be good postings.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Arcarocket|Arcarocket]] ([[User talk:Arcarocket|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcarocket|contribs]]) 18:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The problem is the number of links there, it is becoming a linkfarm. But I will have a look. As MSDS's can not be included in the text, we will have to come up with another solution (maybe it is worth starting a discussion on the talkpage). I assume you are going to add more information later on? --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 18:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok I provided the last piece of information that I thought was useful to myself and this subject and was information that is very hard to come by. You can't simply google Silica Gel Reactivation or Silica Gel MSDS information and come up with it. These are hard to find documents that I was able to come across.

If you don't think the material is suitable I understand. I would like to get more information and will look into what the Talkpage is (have no clue) or maybe it would be more feasible doing a blog type site that I can link to Wikipedia that has all these links to some of these articles and can add as people ask questions or need more info, if I can find the answer/documents.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Arcarocket|Arcarocket]] ([[User talk:Arcarocket|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcarocket|contribs]]) 19:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Links==

There really should be a warning somewhere, telling people not to post inappropriate links on articles. I did it myself at first, not knowing better at the time. People like Beetstra spend half their time explaining to people why they've deleted their links. Wiki should provide a warning somewhere, like on edit pages, perhaps, so people don't waste their time posting these inappropriate links.

[[User:Sardaka|Sardaka]] 10:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
:True, the only warning that is there at the moment is when you create a new page.  Somehow I would say .. it is logic that one should not advertise ones own work, but well, people try.  Thanks.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 11:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Need help in creating a post... ==

Hello Dirk,
I've been trying to add the value "nisped" to wikipedia for a couple of weeks now, and again repeatedly it is deleted. This is my first attempt at adding information to the wikipedia and so I'm learning as I go along. however I'm starting to believe that I may need your help. It seems that my attempts to describe this non-profit organization in a non-marketing way don't work. I don't wish to publicize this Israeli organization - but to inform the world of its important doings. I'm trying to do this in an objective way but so far I've failed. 
I really hope you can assist me in doing so.
Again- I'm not interested in publicizing NISPED - just informing the world that it exists.

Thanks in advance,
Pat.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Icecos|Icecos]] ([[User talk:Icecos|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Icecos|contribs]]) 12:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Indeed, you also appear to be editing under [[User:Incep-sme]], which created [[INCEP-SME]] and [[Nisped]], and hence you appear to be involved in the pages, and performed a number of recreations after it was deleted.  Since you were not discussing, and are apparently using [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppets]] to get the pages into existence, they have now been [[WP:SALT|salted]].  The pages were deleted, as the warnings on your talkpages state, because they were too advertising, not written in a neutral way (which is difficult as I do expect you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]].  If you think the pages should exist, you can file a request at [[WP:RA|the requested articles list]], and when someone independent is willing to write the articles, that person can request a [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] (see also the {{tl|deletedpage}}-template, which is on the pages now.  Hope this explains.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 13:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to bother you again. 
As I said before - I'm trying to add the value NISPED. Because this is my first time attempting to do so I tried once to write information on the organuzation (I did copy-Paste from Nisped's Site to paragraphs that I thought were objective) and when the page was deleted and my username was blocked I tried again with a new username. I swear my intentions were not to decieve but to try to figure a different way to add this value to wikipedia.
Because NISPED is a small Israeli non-profit organization if I'll do what you offered and just request that someone will write about this Value it make take a while.. maybe forever.
That's why I wanted to ask if it is possible for me to start a new NISPED value in which I'll only write things that were published about us in other sites and articles.
For example- on the Israid web page there is a description of Nisped because they work in cooperation with it. Is it ok to publish that as a NISPED value?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Icecos|Icecos]] ([[User talk:Icecos|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Icecos|contribs]]) 13:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Generally, things progress here by discussing on talkpages (like we are doing now), which you did neglect earlier when being warned about the pages/images you have created earlier.  And the information here must be written from scratch, not copied from websites, and comply with our [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines]].  When your first account got blocked, that was for a reason: apparently the way you wrote the articles was not appropriate.  I am sorry, but I would suggest that you try and rewrite the articles in a neutral way, outside of the main article space (e.g. here: [[User:Icecos/Nisped]] and [[User:Icecos/Incep-sme]]), and when you have decent versions ask for a [[WP:DRV|deletion review, showing the articles to independent editors.  I still would like you to read [[WP:COI|our conflict of interest guideline]], as I do suspect you have a conflict of interest, so it is better to comply with that guideline.  Hope this helps.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 13:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

==Old SALT vs New SALT==
This is mostly an FYI to you as an admin who still uses the old, templated method for salting pages.  That method of salting pages is depricated, and the template is now up for [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 September 10#Template:Deletedpage|deletion]].  While things can still change, the current discussion definitely looks headed towards deletion.  Assuming that this happens, you will no longer be able to salt pages with the old method, and will need to begin using the newer salting method that involves cascading protection on the title, and allows recreation to be blocked while still having no article at the name, leaving it as a red link.  This new method of salting is centered at [[WP:PT]], and the instructions for how to make it work are there as well.  - [[User:TexasAndroid|TexasAndroid]] 13:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, cheers.  I'll have a look at that, and will give it at try for the next time.  Cheers!  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 13:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== Our website is not COI ==

I represent Mythimedia (http://www.mythimedia.org), an official project of the University of Bologna, Italy. The project has only educational purposes and involves only a few professors and researchers of the Bologna University. Someone (maybe a student?) inserted some links in Wikipedia and the website has been included in the COIbot page, and I see it is still there, although I asked to cancel every link to our website from Wikipedia. As far as I know, there are no links left.
So, please, remove our website from the COIbot page. Thank you.[User:Mythimedia|Mythimedia] 17:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I am not sure why you have removed all occurances of the link.  That is/was not necessery.  Our [[WP:COI|conflict of interest guideline]] states that such links should be added with great care, or discussed on the talkpage, and therefore we are monitoring such additions.  As mythimedia is a project of the University of Bologna, I am sure it is a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for some information, and I am sure users are using it as a source.  For people from the University of Bologna, please discuss on talkpages, or contact an appropriate wikiproject for support, I am sure you will be welcomed there.  Thanks.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 17:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, but, as far as I know, COIbot is blacklist. We would like to be whitelisted again. Otherwise, it is better not to be cited at all:-( [[User:Mythimedia|Mythimedia]] 21:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Hi.  I have been looking into this now.  The situation arose on the 7th of July, where an account was mass-adding the links to this site.  That type of addition of external links is not permitted per quite a number of our policies and guidelines.  It has therefore been monitored.  The link is ''not'' blacklisted, blacklisting would mean that it would be autoreverted by a bot, or even, you would not be able to add the link at all.  I guess it was in the original thread already mentioned that the ''data'' provided by the link could be OK (I have not reviewed that, I am probably not a specialist in the information the site offers).  I have now removed the link from the monitorlist.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 22:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, I have left FallingDrapery on the blacklist for this link, I am reviewing the individual edits performed by other accounts, and will regenerate a report when necessary.  By the way, the COI here reflect more that someone did apparently have an interest in adding the link 'en masse' to a number of pages.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Also, I would like you not to remove references which are added with information.  That would degrade the information.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 22:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thank you Dirk [[User:Mythimedia|Mythimedia]] 21:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

== The Spamstar of Glory ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Presented to [[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] and his [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVnkd7ot_pw powerful] [[User:COIBot|COIbot]] for their work in battling spam on Wikipedia. --<font face="Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] </font> 20:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks!  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 20:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Not wanting to get pugilistic... ==

My name is Brian Rutherford, and I am editor with MusicEmissions.com for the last four years.   I've enjoyed Wikipedia.org to the point where I've not only learned alot about the world, html and other coding but also helped people become informed about reviews, and features on our website.  While I realize you have a job to do -and trust me, all wiki readers appreciate it- I'm not sure I understand why SOME of our links are deleted?  We're not promoting on Wiki to sell or promote conceptual thoughts.

Like the subject of the headline states, I don't want to get pugilistic, perhaps I just need to be advised what I am doing wrong when posting a link on certain artist pages.  It seems the larger bands are the one's the editors delete.   

In closing, we respect what wikipedia stands for.  No we're not yet at the popularity levels of say Spin, or Rolling Stone, so we harshly understood when the article for MusicEmissions.com was abruptly removed from wiki last year.  However, our website has also been a trusted source, for over eight years.  Helping music listeners find independent music on the web is our bottom line.  Please help us understand how to navigate and edit properly, and we will stay inside wiki's boundaries from here on out.

Thanks for listening,
Brian Rutherford
Editor In Chief-V/P  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hstisgod|Hstisgod]] ([[User talk:Hstisgod|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hstisgod|contribs]]) 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Thank you for your question and explanation.  Let me try to explain: In posting external links only, you are in (possible) violation of quite a number of policies and guidelines (most directly: [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]], [[WP:NOT#LINK|'not a linkfarm']], [[WP:EL|external links guideline]], [[WP:SPAM|spam guideline]] (clarification, spam is about the way of adding, not about the content of the site), [[WP:COI|conflict of interest guideline]]).  Not all of these may be fully applicable, but the problem that such edits can be questioned against all these policies and guidelines does result in that it is better that these link additions are not performed as you, and some other accounts, have been doing (especially since for some accounts there was an apparent [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]).  The item has been brought up at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam]], and I believe also to one of the music-related wikiprojects.
:As to which edits have been reverted, I believe at this moment all top edits have been reverted, all other edits are still under investigation (and I am either waiting for the wikiproject, though the risk exists that if mass-additions persist, that all pages edited by the involved accounts will be cleaned.
:I hope that you will join us in discussing, and maybe we can come up with a better solution (a music related wikiproject may be of help there).  Hope this explains, but if you have further questions, please do not hesitate to ask me.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 00:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I will speak with our other writers asap and have them cease all additions until a workable agreement can be made.  Furthermore, can you please explain further the exact guidelines that MusicEmissions does not meet for having an article?  Thank you again for being so patient and understanding.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hstisgod|Hstisgod]] ([[User talk:Hstisgod|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hstisgod|contribs]]) 00:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I guess you should have a look at our [[WP:N|notability]] guidelines first (which it may very well meet), and probably put up a link at [[WP:RA|requested articles]].  I guess the article will then be created (preferably by uninvolved editors) when someone finds it interesting enough to create it.  Another way of speeding up the process is to write the article somewhere else (e.g. in your userspace: [[User:Hstisgod/MusicEmissions]]), and when you believe you have a nice and neutral article, ask a wikiproject if someone there can review it, and then move it to mainspace when they think it is appropriate.  
:By the way, you and your editors are of course free to add information (content) to the wikipedia, and when such information can be referenced on your site, that may very well be OK (see the [[WP:RS|reliable sources guideline]], [[WP:CITE|cite guideline]] and [[WP:FOOT|how to create citations guideline]]).  Of course care should be taken that the edits do then not turn in to 'reference spamming' (adding information for the sake of being able to add a reference to your site).  Hope this explains.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 00:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, you are completely understood.  What I am firmly understanding about our external link postings is that the articles are in fact relatable, but we're breaking guidelines by posting so many of them?  I suppose I can see that being an issue, but it's more geared towards getting our eight years worth of back-logued reviews and features synchronized with the many branches and artists of wiki.  I'll certainly speak with the president of the site about your suggestions for getting MusicEmissions possibly articled from an outside source.  Again, thank you for your time. 03:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hstisgod|Hstisgod]] ([[User talk:Hstisgod|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hstisgod|contribs]]) 00:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Err .. yes, but also, as wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#LINK|not a linkfarm]], there is no need to add your link to all articles.  We don't link because someone has the information available, we link because the information provided by the external link improves the article, the knowledge about the subject.  Mostly external links don't add something unique, but when they do, they are often better as a reference.  But I think it is best for you to make contact with one (or more) of the wikiprojects (a list can be found [[Wikipedia:WikiProjects|here]]), and discuss with them.  I am hardly a specialist on music reviews.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 07:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Very good...Thanks again Dirk...[[User:Hstisgod|Hstisgod]] 13:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Alcohol==
The [[Alcohol]] article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at [http://www.wikirage.com WikiRage.com]. The article may benefit from a good review. According to [http://vs.aka-online.de/wppagehiststat/ Wikipedia Page History Statistics,] you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. -- <font face="Kristen ITC">'''[[User:Jreferee|<font color="Blue">Jreferee</font>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Jreferee|Talk]])''</sup></font> 06:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, I would not call that heavy editing, just the normal vandalism as usual.  It is a popular article.  But I will have a read through it.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 07:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==greentealovers.com==
Dank u wel!  I did not realize that such a thing as the Anti-Spam Bot existed!  I really appreciate your help.  [[User:Alexwoods|Alexwoods]] 20:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Graag gedaan.  And if things get really annoying .. [[Mediawiki:Spam-blacklist]], but that depends a bit on how much work [[user:AntiSpamBot]] will have (put [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/greentealovers.com]] on your watchlist for up-to-date news).  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 20:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Complaint==
I can see from your User page you are one of those who likes to draw attention to themselves. And, from your edit and comment about [[:Image:DancingBraveVHS.jpg]] one who does it without thinking and without knowing what they are talking about. Please don't waste my time with your ego games and in future, examine things closely before you edit something and spout off. Thanx.
[[User:Handicapper|Handicapper]] 17:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for your remark.  Unfortunately, I do read the text of the tags, and I don't like to be insulted.  As a matter of fact, you are wasting your time reverting and complaining, I would suggest you just provide the requested fair-use rationale, before even more of your precious time is wasted by uploading the image again ..  Again, thanks.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 17:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Chembox new==
Hi Dirk

I've seen you've beeen cleaning up some of the chembox --> chembox new by AWB. Care to share your code/teach me how to do it? I'm sure you need a hand to clear the thousands of articles? --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 03:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Rifleman 82, sure.  I do need some help.  The trouble is, the script that I am writing at the moment is pretty difficult, still has too many errors, and well, every page has his own problems, as people have been making quite strange chemboxes in time.  I plan to save a copy soon in [[User:Beetstra/Chemicals]] (I just updated the 'what is programmed'), just keep an eye on the [[User:Beetstra/Chemicals|page]].  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 09:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks Dirk. I'll do just that. --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 10:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:I put a the script there (but am already tweaking it again).  Please check every single edit very carefully, especially in the real upgrade from {{tl|chembox}} to {{tl|chembox new}} it still loses fields which it should parse, simply because I have not added them yet.  I'll upgrade the script regularly (when a couple of new things have been added).  Feel free to give it a try!  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 11:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::Will do. Thanks! --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 12:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:Just updated, the old version contained some errors (and new functionality has been added again).  By the way, it might be good to point to [[User:Beetstra/Chemicals]] in the edit summary.  If things are wrong, just ignore, chances are that I will get there later.  Thanks for helping me out!  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 12:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::Been doing quite a bit of hand correcting but Edgar caught a few of my early problem-edits. Thanks. Mostly working on Chembox --> Chembox new--[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 12:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:It generally goes quite OK, the problem is that fields that it does not recognise sometimes go into oblivion.  Other small things can be done quite quickly by hand.  Please give me a list of the failing ones, I can then use these to upgrade the script (as some things are bound to come up quite often).  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 12:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Ammonium perchlorate==
You bot removed a lot of information from [[Ammonium perchlorate]].  Was this the intention? --[[User:Statsone|'''<font color="blue">Statsone</font>''']] 17:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for seeing that, there was something wrong there.  The bot (the bot is not mine, by the way, but [[User:Rifleman 82]]'s) is performing a replacement of an old box for a new box, which does result in the pages becoming much smaller.  The [[WP:AWB|Autowikibot]] script that the bot uses is mine.  Hope this explains, and again, thanks.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 17:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks...  ==
...for reverting my userpage. It never ceases to amaze me what extreme reactions the image policy can elicit. [[User:Videmus Omnia|Videmus Omnia]] [[User talk:Videmus Omnia| <sup>Talk</sup> ]] 22:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:You're welcome.  I tend to keep fellow spam fighters and other policy protectors on the watchlist as these pages tend to be susceptible to vandalism.  By the way, it is good to have you around, you seem quite active on a lot of fronts!  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 22:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

===Response to proposed transfer to wiktionary===

I do not agree that this article would better suit wiktionary.  Simply defining the topic will not clarify it's origin, and will limit my ability to cite its usage in today's society.  There are many different ways the word webceleb is being referenced, which distinguishes it from other wikipedia articles such as [[internet celebrities]].  I intend to show what is needed to establish yourself as a webceleb, discuss the growth in hyperlocal media attention, contrast a webceleb's rise in fame with conventional celebrities, cite some popular examples, and suggest potential outlets if one desires to become a webceleb.

I've already begun to reference the technological advancements, and will progress to cover what i've mentioned above.  Does this still categorize this topic as a dictionary article?  I can easily delete the pronunciation key and part of speech if that is what is deriving this conclusion.
[[User:WebCeleb|WebCeleb]] ([[User talk:WebCeleb|Talk]]) 18:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)