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== User label en ==

{{tl|User label en}} now supports levels. If there are no problems I'll update the other language labels soon.

I've had to make some substantial changes to the labels mechanism to make this work. In brief:

#{{tl|User label}} now supports an 'extracat' parameter, which allows a second category to be added. Both catname and extracat are now optional.
#I've created {{tl|User label withlevel}}, which basically takes a 'prefix', a 'level', and a 'catname', and automagically creates a label with the appropriate categories.
#I've modified {{tl|User label en}} to pass-thru the level parameter.

All I can say is that it works for me. If anyone has any problems, please let me know. [[User:Jakew|Jakew]] 21:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:Rofl I have no idea what that says, can you translate it into "Dummy" for me? Or give examples for me? [[Image:Face-wink.svg|25px]] <sup>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="CC66FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]]<font color="FF69B4">♥</font>[[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="0066CC">'''Gold'''</font>]]</sup> 21:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

::Ok, here are some examples:

<pre>{{user label top |theme=warm}}
{{user label en |theme=tab}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=1}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=2}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=3}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=4}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=5}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=N}}
{{user label bottom}}</pre>

{{user label top |theme=warm}}
{{user label en |theme=tab}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=1}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=2}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=3}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=4}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=5}}
{{user label en |theme=tab |level=N}}
{{user label bottom}}

[[User:Jakew|Jakew]] 21:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's awesome, Jake, and Neranei said that the new ones she's making will be able to have the parameter on them? That's just super. We'll need to write up somewhere a really simple explanation of how to make that work for folks! <sup>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="CC66FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]]<font color="FF69B4">♥</font>[[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="0066CC">'''Gold'''</font>]]</sup> 00:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, I completely agree. Since too many people are editing the project page right now, I'll draft something here. How about adding this to the languages section:

::'''Note:''' experimental support has been added for language proficiency levels. To specify a proficiency level, simply add '|level=x' to the label, where x is one of '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', or 'N'. For example, to specify that you're a native English speaker, use <nowiki>{{user label en |level=N}}</nowiki>.

::[[User:Jakew|Jakew]] 23:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Vroooom!! ==

Just look at [[User:Neranei|Neranei]] go to town on making these language labels! What a trooper, I only mentioned in passing I was working on this, and next thing I know, she's off and running, how awesome is that? We're lucky! <sup>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="CC66FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]]<font color="FF69B4">♥</font>[[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="0066CC">'''Gold'''</font>]]</sup> 23:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== What a speed ==

Just came by to see how you are doing, what a speed! congrats, never saw a project taking off so fast. Well done! <font face="georgia">[[User:heltzen|Heltzen]][[User talk:heltzen|◩]]</font> 13:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

One question, I have the label of WikiProject Aviation in my page but I was not added to category, anyone knows why? <font face="georgia">[[User:heltzen|Heltzen]][[User talk:heltzen|◩]]</font> 14:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:Jake fixed that for you Heltzen, sorry! <sup>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="CC66FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="FF69B4">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="0066CC">'''Gold'''</font>]]</sup> 04:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you people :) <font face="georgia">[[User:heltzen|Heltzen]][[User talk:heltzen|◩]]</font> 16:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== Category ==

Okay, I just noticed this, but there is no category for members of this project who are not ones to use the labels. The WP:KIS label says ''"This a Keep It Simple Label to indicate to visitors how to read your KIS Labels. It automatically adds users who display it to the category for users who prefer to KIS (Keep It Simple)."'' But it is an assumption that the user uses the labels instead of userboxes. I'm not one of those, but I would consider myself a member of this project. So I am thinking of creating a "Membership" category instead, opinions? Thoughts? <sup>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="CC66FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="FF69B4">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="0066CC">'''Gold'''</font>]]</sup> 04:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:I am kind of an outsider but I will gladly see that category as a good thing <font face="georgia">[[User:heltzen|Heltzen]][[User talk:heltzen|◩]]</font> 16:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== New Userboxes ==

It's been a while since <nowiki>{{user XYZ}}</nowiki> userboxes were banished from the template namespace. What I see now is that they have basically been recreated as <nowiki>{{user label XYZ}}</nowiki>, only they look innocent. Is there '''any''' reason why {{tl|user label}} can't be used everywhere? (Read: [[WP:SUBST|substitute]] all instances of other templates so {{tl|user label WPAviation}} becomes {{tlp|user label|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation|WP:Aviation]]}} for example.) Thankfully, due to their simplicity, these boxes do not recreate a problem of divisiveness, they do however cause a lot of noise in the templatespace. I predict problems with this, sooner or later. :-/ [[User:Misza13|Миша]][[User talk:Misza13|<span style="color:green">'''13'''</span>]] 21:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Misza!! I'm not sure what issues there were in the past, I don't use these labels, but I was asked to help with design stuff when the project was new, but as it turns out, Jakew did most of the coding for the labels, and I honestly have no clue how they work anymore, lol. What is the history here? There was something just like this in the past? If you can give some history on whatever the past problems were, that'd help. As for substitution, well userboxes are not substituted, so why would mini-userboxes be? Again maybe a stupid question just because I don't get the coding problem, whatever that is, lol. Maybe Jake can figure out what the problem is and fix it, but I admit I'm pretty lost now with how the labels work, I'm not even sure I could make one anymore, lol. I do think it would be best if labels were created on request for obscure things like what country one lives in, obscure languages, etc. But, that's only my own opinion. <small>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="8B00FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="F64A8A">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="007FFF">'''Gold'''</font>]]</small> 11:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:[[WP:USERBOX#Creating a new userbox]] states that userboxes may be created in the Template: namespace, but only if they meet certain criteria. Is that not correct anymore? [[User:Jakew|Jakew]] ([[User talk:Jakew|talk]]) 21:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

== Ideas ==

Any ideas on how to make these labels known to all the Wikipedians who don't use userboxes? <small><font face="georgia">[[User:Librarian2|<span style="background:Steelblue;color:#fff;">'''ℒibrarian'''</span>]][[User talk:Librarian2|<span style="background:green;color:#fff;">'''2'''</span>]]</font></small> 18:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm. It's a tricky problem. Unless and until there is some 'critical mass', nobody knows that racks/labels exist as an alternative, so the result is that people either a) have userboxes, or b) nothing.
:It's just a random idea, but what if we could use userboxes to gain some momentum for KIS? For example, suppose we were to create a userbox that's actually a miniature rack, with enough space for 3-4 labels. People could then use these userbox/racks to compress 'boring' information into a small space, but could also use 'fun' userboxes that they find appealing and expressive. Thoughts? [[User:Jakew|Jakew]] ([[User talk:Jakew|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::That is a great idea! It might work. Please start on it if you can <small><font face="georgia">[[User:Librarian2|<span style="background:Steelblue;color:#fff;">'''ℒibrarian'''</span>]][[User talk:Librarian2|<span style="background:green;color:#fff;">'''2'''</span>]]</font></small> 12:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, here's a rough prototype. I'd need to make a few changes before it became usable, but would welcome comments:

{{User:Jakew/sandboxulb}}

[[User:Jakew|Jakew]] ([[User talk:Jakew|talk]]) 17:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it looks quite good. Perhaps a bit more color and something about "simple" labels ? What do you think? <small><font face="georgia">[[User:Librarian2|<span style="background:Steelblue;color:#fff;">'''ℒibrarian'''</span>]][[User talk:Librarian2|<span style="background:green;color:#fff;">'''2'''</span>]]</font></small> 21:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)