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*[[Wikipedia talk:No original research (archive 1)]] - January 16&ndash;December 13, 2004
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== IMPORTANT TEXT CHANGE THAT WOULD BRING IN A NEW POLICY ON WHAT IS ORIGINAL RESEARCH ==

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'''Original Text'''

'''Original research''' refers to original research by editors of Wikipedia. It does not refer to original research that is published or available elsewhere (although such research may be excluded if editors consider the source to be disreputable or inappropriate).

The phrase "original research" in this context refers to untested theories; data, statements, concepts and ideas that have not been published in a reputable publication; or any new interpretation, analysis, or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts or ideas that, in the words of Wikipedia's founder [[Jimbo Wales]], would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation".


'''Proposed text'''

'''Original research''' refers to theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, and ideas that have not been published in a reputable publication; or any unpublished interpretation, analysis, or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts or ideas that, in the words of Wikipedia's founder [[Jimbo Wales]], would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation".

'''Original research''' is prohibited when produced by editors of Wikipedia if it has not been published elsewhere. (This prohibition does not refer to research that is published or available elsewhere, although such research may be excluded if editors consider the source to be disreputable or inappropriate.)
In summary, if the facts, opinions, or arguments you want to include have not been published already by a credible or reputable publication, you're engaged in original research.


'''Comment''' The proposed text is so very wide that 40% of wiki articles would have to be deleted.
*Vfd could and would placed on many many articles.--[[User:Poorman|Poorman]] 05:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

:Not sure what you're getting at, Poorman. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 05:37, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

* Good point, Slim. If you read the proposed text it, seems to say the same thing as the original text. Thus keeping the original text should not upset anyone. (Slim chance!) No pun intended --[[User:Poorman|Poorman]] 06:03, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

:*I suppose I don't really see the substantive difference. Could you say what you see it as? (Puns about my name are strictly forbidden, BTW.) [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 06:07, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

:::Yup, you're in a lot of trouble, Poorman. I'd run for the hills if I were you. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 06:17, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

::::: I am in southern Thailand, so there are swamps but no hills. Looks like I can ril, but I can't hide!(not another pun) --[[User:Poorman|Poorman]] 06:34, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

:::::Then start worrying. ;-D [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 06:47, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

I don't see any substantive difference between the old text and the new text. Could some one explain what they think the substantive difference is, if any? I do think however that the new text is more clearly worded. Who is proposing this change? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:51, September 6, 2005 (UTC)