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== Mobile Augmented Reality ==
I have been trying to add a sub-catagory about mobile AR and it has been continously deleted. I am wondering why? Please let me know your complaints so I can find to include my information, as I feel it is relevent to the field.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PeterQuain|PeterQuain]] ([[User talk:PeterQuain|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterQuain|contribs]]) 18:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Here is what I am trying to add please let me know any objections. 
to event history
* 2008: Media Power Inc. funds a five million dollar Mobile Augmented Reality research grant with [[Georgia Tech]]. 


(reply)This funding does not belong to the history of AR. (yet) [[User:TheDarkKnight42|TheDarkKnight42]] ([[User talk:TheDarkKnight42|talk]])

to external links
* Media Power Inc. - Mobile Augmented Reality


(reply)Media Power Inc. is a commercial company, it does not have to be listed first in the external links list, if at all.
This company does not have published any AR demo, articles or papers, nor has announced any AR related product. [[User:TheDarkKnight42|TheDarkKnight42]] ([[User talk:TheDarkKnight42|talk]])

and as it's own section
   
Mobile Augmented Reality (mobile AR) is a collaboration between AR and mobile computing technology that you find on any [[mobile phone]] that is capable of an online connection. To operate mobile AR simply point a mobile phone camera at an object that has a recognized AR logo or shape on it and the cameras generated image will replace the logo or shape with 3D graphics while the rest of the real-world image remains the same. Mobile AR has limitless potential for use as there are over four billion mobile phones currently in existence and over nine-hundred million new mobile phones sold each year. The greatest proponent of developing this technology for the masses has been Media Power Inc. Media Power has funded grants to both [[University of Canterbury]] and [[Georgia Institute of Technology]] in order to further advance the technology. Magitech is the division of Media Power Inc. that is dedicated to finding new and innovative applications for mobile AR in a real life setting. ([[User:PeterQuain|PeterQuain]] ([[User talk:PeterQuain|talk]]) 20:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC))


(reply)This section could be fine without the links to the author's companies. [[User:TheDarkKnight42|TheDarkKnight42]] ([[User talk:TheDarkKnight42|talk]])

I will re-post the section without the links. However, I believe that it should be considered at least as an external link. The only place to get more information about this technology is on there site, which also provides links to the work the University of Canterbury and Georgia Tech. are doing on the subject. Please let me know if you think this would be acceptable.([[User:PeterQuain|PeterQuain]] ([[User talk:PeterQuain|talk]]) 20:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC))


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Why don't you simply add links to both universities? Anyway, if you plan to add relevant links, don't do it on top of others, add your links at the bottom... [[User:TheDarkKnight42|TheDarkKnight42]] ([[User talk:TheDarkKnight42|talk]]) 20:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

(reply)Why can the funding not be considered part of the history? Also that doesn't explain why you removed the catagory about mobile AR.([[User:PeterQuain|PeterQuain]] ([[User talk:PeterQuain|talk]]) 20:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC))


((reply)) History is about advance in the "state of the art", funding could be a cause of advance, but it is not in itself. [[User:TheDarkKnight42|TheDarkKnight42]] ([[User talk:TheDarkKnight42|talk]])  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 21:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

(reply) History is defined in the wiki entry as To describe the history of Augmented Reality is also to describe man's journey of adding to the natural world he was born in. So if a man plants a seed and grows a tree how is that different from a company issuing grants to develop augmented reality.([[User:PeterQuain|PeterQuain]] ([[User talk:PeterQuain|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC))

(reply) Media Power is viable as a link. if you go to the Magitech section it describes mobile AR further as well as telling applications, and where museum exhibits on the subject can be found. ([[User:PeterQuain|PeterQuain]] ([[User talk:PeterQuain|talk]]) 15:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC))

== Huh? ==

"For many of those interested in AR, one of its most important characteristics is the way in which it makes possible a transformation of the focus of interaction...."

Does this paragraph actually say anything? [[User:74.194.27.5|74.194.27.5]] 12:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Nop. Maybe it could be written as ...its most important characteristic is real time space orientation and (3D)rendering.
Also another thing. Shouldn't references to AR libaries like ARtoolkit be included in the article? Whre is all the stuff about the papers published in the field? 3D AR reconstruction papers e.t.c... [[User:Soathana|Soathana]] 20:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Definition of augmented reality ==

The TV overlay isn't a very good example for Augmented Reality since by some definitions it isn't AR at all. Ronald T. Azuma defined AR as systems which 

# Combine the virtual and the real
# are interactive in real time
# registered in 3D

This definition is now widely used in the research literature. The example only fullfils the first requirement, but not the other two. -- [[User:Averell23|Daniel]] 12:20 22 August 2003 (UTC +2)


Hermann H. Benes (Marketing Team, Trivisio Prototyping GmbH: "Augmented Reality has to be defined according to a context, and not as an abstract notion as if it was a fact of nature and life. 
Augmented Reality is tool which allows one or many viewers to enhance their field of view with virtual elements usually generated by a computer. 
Talking about interactivity and stereoscopic imaging in order to define the basic elements of what is augmented reality is making the mistake that the requirements of some applications are the rules for identifying what is augmented reality and what is not. It is actually talking about complex goals of some applications to define something which is simple and requires none of that to be it.
The rules for making Augmented Reality (AR) a widely adopted technology in the Business, Academic, and Public segments are:
*Full interactivity in Real Time
*Precise and ultra-rapid tracking
*Stereoscopic imaging
*Ultra Portable and Wireless
*Full immersion experience

The term "Amplified Reality" may help those who have difficulty understanding the differences in what items are enhancing environments and those that are Augmented Reality. Amplified Reality refers to items such as color, shape, basic displays, etc., of everyday items. The painting of an arrow on a wall to assist a traveler, the display of time on a clock, a television broadcast, etc. Yes, these items enhance, or even augment our lives, but there has to be a way to distinguish the technology and Azuma's definition above is it for now.

== History of augmented reality ==

I disagree with the invention of Augmented Reality: There are at least two groups who have published their work about augmented reality before:
This group does medical AR, but they call it like that.
Michael Bajura, Henry Fuchs, and Ryutarou Ohbuchi. Merging virtual objects with the real world: seeing ultrasound imagery within the patient. In Proceedings of the 19th annual conference on Computer graphics and interactive techniques, pages 203-210. ACM Press, 1992.

Look at the title and the publication date:
T.P. Caudell and D.V. Mizell. Augmented reality: An application of heads-up display technology to manual manufacturing technologyaugmented reality. In Proceedings of Hawaii International Conference on System Sciences, 1992.

(Reply:)
Well, the article states that the CACM issue *coined* the term, not that it was the first time the term was used. The above mentioned conference papers had very confidential distributions (a few hundreds copies at most, in pre-internet area), compared to the echo the CACM issue had: 120000 copies where printed, plus a distribution to all SIGGRAPH attendees (30000+) that year, plus an award for the best scientific magazine issue of the year, awarded by the american publication board that year too. That magazine issue was perhaps the most influential scientific magazine issue of the decade and started tens of research projects accross the world.... Granted, that was just when the www started to catch too, and it did shadow the domain quite quickly.

I think the CACM issue really started it all, just as Mark Weiser's paper
"The computer of the XXIst century" in Sci. Am. 1991 started the field of ubiquitous computing, even though Xerox PARC had been working on the topic for about 10 years already.

In summary: I think the article is right on this portion of the history of augmented reality. Yet, it is quite clear there are two competing interpretations of the same concept in this article, which is quite unsettling.

(Reply:)
Your use of "coined" is incorrect. Look it up here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=coined.
Based on the definition of the word, and the fact that Boeing researchers used the term "augmented reality" previously (see quote below), the history section should be revised.

"In 1990, a group of Boeing researchers proposed that a see-through virtual
reality head-mounted display that was registered with the real world could
be used as an aid in the manufacturing of airplanes by overlaying simple
graphics on top of the real world. The term "Augmented Reality" was
coined, and Boeing found that an ideal candidate for this technology was
the Commercial Airplane Group's wireshop where wire harnesses are
pre-fabricated before installing on airplanes."
http://www.blu.org/cone/Notices/97-98/April/VR_Apr16.txt

== History of AR is still incomplete ==

Although there is some debate about the origin of the terminology "augmented reality" (some people I know credit the term to T. P. Caudell and D. W. Mizell in their paper "Augmented reality: An application of heads-up display technology to manual manufacturing processes". Proc. IEEE Hawaii International Conf. on Systems Sciences, 1992) it is clear that the concept was not new by the mid 90s. It probably originates from [[Heads up Displays]]. One could argue that it was a sufficiently well-known concept that it cropped up in a number of films in the mid 80s ([[The Terminator]]; [[RoboCop]]).

I would argue that the seminal work in AR is by [[Ivan_Sutherland|Ivan Sutherland]] who, in 1968, had built a [http://www.sun.com/960710/feature3/alice.html working prototype system] that consisted of: 

# An optical see-through head mounted display (to combine real with virtual)
# Custom graphics hardware (to render graphics at 30fps) 
# A tracking system (mechanical; register graphics with the real world)

Although this system is credited as being the seminal [[Virtual_Reality|virtual reality system]], it is the seminal augmented reality system as well. To quote from the paper: "Half-silvered mirrors in the prisms through which the user looks allow him to see both the images from the cathode ray tubes and objects in the room simultaneously. Thus displayed material can be made either to hang disembodied in space or to coincide with maps, desk tops, walls, or the keys of a typewriter."

See [http://www.aec.at/en/archiv_files/19902/E1990b_123.pdf Sutherland, I. "A Head-Mounted Three Dimensional Display." Proc. Fall Joint Computer Conference 1968, Thompson Books, Washington, DC, 1968, 757-764].

Although I'm not personally aware of any modern day applications that build directly on Sutherland's original work, I really believe that it should be discussed in this article.

(Reply) What about the [[Target Acquisition Designation Sight, Pilot Night Vision System]] mounted on the Apache helicopter? Does this count as a real life working AR system?

Many of the military flight applications are considered AR.


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I will second the last contributor's attribution.  I personally believe Sutherland's system was the first augmented reality, at least as commonly cited by academics.
It fits the most restrictive definitions (3D graphics registered with the physical world viewed through a head-up display).  Also, Sutherland's concepts were used as part of the Bell Helicopter Company's projects of that period and thus had further influence, as can be seen in the previous contributor's link:

http://www.sun.com/960710/feature3/alice.html

However, [[Myron Krueger]]'s early works should also be considered augmented reality.  See

Krueger M.  "Artificial Reality II,"  Addison-Wesley 1991. 

Krueger used laser projectors, computer vision, large screens, and many other techniques to create museum-style instalations in the 70s and 80s.  His work directly influenced later augmented reality systems. For example,

C. Wren, F. Sparacino, A. Azarbayejani, T. Darrell, T. Starner,
A. Kotani, C. Chao, M. Hlavac, K. Russell, A. Pentland. "Perceptive
Spaces for Performance and Entertainment: Untethered Interaction Using
Computer Vision and Audition," Applied Artificial Intelligence
Journal, 1995.

The actual term "augmented reality" is hard to attribute to one person.  Given their early publication and the discussion prior to their work in the 1992 paper, Tom Caudell and David Mizell were probably actively using the term in 1990 or 1991.  Separately, Thad Starner used the term in a graduate fellowship application sent to the Department of Defense in 1990 to describe the work he wanted to do at the MIT Media Laboratory (which led to the MIT Wearable Computing Project).  However, Feiner's and MacIntyre's papers and talks in the early 1990s were some of the most influential in getting other researchers to use the term (and probably led to many believing AR referred to head-up displays with 3D registered graphics - as opposed to less strict view that says even unregistered graphics still augment reality sufficiently to be called AR).  The following three papers illustrate their work

Feiner, S., MacIntyre, B., and Seligmann, D.  "Annotating the real 
world with knowledge-based graphics on see-through head-mounted 
display", Proc. of Graphics Interface 1992 pp. 78-85.

Feiner., S, MacIntyre, B., Haupt, M., and  Solomon. E.
"Windows on the world: 2D windows for 3D augmented reality",
ACM Symp. on User Interface Software and Technology 1993, pp. 145-155.

Feiner, S., MacIntyre, B., and Seligmann D.  "Knowledge-based
augmented reality," Communications of the ACM 36 (7), 1993 pp. 52-62.

Note that this last paper is part of the issue of CACM that Wellner edited!  However, saying that this CACM issue
is what "coined" the term and attributing the term to Wellner, Mackay, and Gold is misleading.  The actual articles in that journal issue were authored by many of the people working in the space at the time, including  Azuma, Krueger, Feiner, MacIntyre, Wellner, Weiser, Fitzmaurice, Mackay, Gold, etc.   The table of contents can be found at

http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=159544&type=issue&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=45127166&CFTOKEN=83786504

The entire issue may be entitled "Special issue on computer augmented environments: back to the real world," 
and it is a tribute to the editors' forethought to put it together, 
but such special issues of large circulation magazines like CACM or IEEE Computer are intended to gather a community of researchers interested in a particular specialty and give them a common forum in which to present their ideas to the larger computer science community.  In other words, the term "augmented reality" was mostly accepted and commonly used by these researchers before this special issue.

Also of note, the current conference in this field is called the International Symposium on Mixed and Augmented Reality (ISMAR).  Often the terms "mixed reality" and "augmented reality" are interchanged, though some may
argue for a distinction between the two.  Most other terms have fallen by the wayside.

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I believe Ivan Sutherland is the original pioneer in AR too.  See a [http://www.artmuseum.net/w2vr/timeline/Sutherland.html video] of his system in action.


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The Reality-Virtuality Continuum would be useful here in helping with RE, AR, AV, VE, and a MRE.

(Reply) See the new page (stub) on the [[Virtuality Continuum]].

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The history point ''"15,000 BC: Lascaux cave drawings showed “virtual” images in a darkened cave that started the idea of enhancing the real world."'' seems irrelevant and unnecessary.
--[[Special:Contributions/68.53.89.20|68.53.89.20]] ([[User talk:68.53.89.20|talk]]) 06:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== talk on location awareness ==

According to me, there's a part missing on location awareness; location awareness is essential for many AR systems, the system has to know where it is in order to augment the environment in a meaningful way. - Flip van den Berg


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Maybe.  The projection keyboards currently being sold could be considered AR.  They are interactive in real time, and they overlay CG imagery on something in the real world (desktop, for example - and I would argue that the augmentation of reality doesn't necessarily have to be tied to a single fixed object; in this case the keyboard adds meaning to a class of real world objects: reasonably flat surfaces).

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Does it make sense to have some reference to or link to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locative_art article on "locative art"] - Scott Leslie  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nessman|Nessman]] ([[User talk:Nessman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nessman|contribs]]) 06:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Is Mixed Reality the same as Augmented Reality? ==

Often Augmented Reality is correctly used interchangeably with Mixed Reality, as that is exactly what the Mixed Reality in question is producing. However a Mixed Reality may also be used to describe an [[Augmented virtuality]] environment, and is therefore definitely not always the same thing. See [[Virtuality Continuum]]. <small>— [[User:Russell freeeman|Russell freeeman]] ([[User talk:Russell freeeman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Russell freeeman|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#32;{{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:I dunno.  It seems to me that from reading the article there is a slight difference between the two, perhaps enough to warrant a separate article. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is the same thing. They should be merged.

== Cyborg ==

I've nixed the "membership in project cyborg".  The user interface technology of Augmented Reality has only remotely to do with the biological merging of humans and machines, and it's distracting and, frankly, just plain wrong to present this article as "part of the series on cyborgs".    Make it "part of the series on human/machine interfaces", and I'm fine with it.<br>
[[User:Jutta|Jutta]] 16:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Pompous statement ==

"To describe the history of Augmented Reality is also to describe man's journey of adding to the natural world he was born in."

I think this is a bit of an overblown pompous statement. Why not "To describe the history of Music..." or ""To describe the history of Cheese Making" ?  I think this sentence needs to go. Why not just a more straightforward introdcution for the history of AR? --[[User:Mgaved|mgaved]] 14:02, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually the whole section is problematic. Cave drawings are not related to AR in any meaningful sense, as are most of the other "milestones". The way this sounds it could have been a flavour text that was used to make some irrelevant research paper more interesting. 

:That said, the whole article urgently needs a rewrite. First of all there should be a coherent introduction into the ''general idea'' of AR - instead of an unordered presentation of abstract, lofty ideas that were plucked from individual publications. 

:At the moment the article is not very helpful for people who don't already know about AR. [[User:Averell23|Averell]] ([[User talk:Averell23|talk]]) 12:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)