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==Training==

There is another aspect of training that was not covered but there IS a wikipedia article about it because it is also a kenjitsu practice, the name escapes me at the moment.  Its practicing weapons work on your own... shi-something or su-something...{{unsigned|98.207.40.237}}

:I believe you are referring to ''[[suburi]]'', but I'm not certain how universal the use of that term is in an aikido context, especially where a significant number of aikido schools don't practice kenjutsu at all, and many others draw their kenjutsu practice from various sources either in addition to or instead of the kenjutsu that Ueshiba taught.  If you have a good reference, though, we might be able to work it in somewhere. [[User:Bradford44|Bradford44]] ([[User talk:Bradford44|talk]]) 12:04, July 29, 2008 (UTC)

::Well, I'll look for a citation but I'd appreciate if it was suggested with a "citation needed" or something.  I use the wikipedia aikido page to look up the japanese words involved and Im sure others do the same :)  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/153.18.19.178|153.18.19.178]] ([[User talk:153.18.19.178|talk]]) 01:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Ki kanji parts ==

I believe that the ki kanji is not the combination of a lid and rice, but steam/vapor and rice - boiling rice, if you like, indeed a central life force in China and Japan.
[[Special:Contributions/81.216.206.7|81.216.206.7]] ([[User talk:81.216.206.7|talk]]) 19:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:That is also what I heard from a Japanese language instructor, that it is steam over boiling rice.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/153.18.19.178|153.18.19.178]] ([[User talk:153.18.19.178|talk]]) 01:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This is also clearly stated in the Wikipedia text on [[qi]]. I believe that the aikido text needs to be changed on this issue, but that also calls for a change of the following sentence, which seems to make conclusions from another interpretation of the kanji etymology. Stefan Stenudd
[[Special:Contributions/81.216.206.7|81.216.206.7]] ([[User talk:81.216.206.7|talk]]) 15:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Taninzugake ==

I allowed myself to enter the terms mostly used for multiple attackers: taninzudori and taninzugake. To my knowledge, the latter is more established than the former. See for example Aikikai Hombu Dojo grading rules (3rd dan):
http://www.aikikai.or.jp/eng/gradingsystem.htm
So, maybe only the latter term would suffice in the text?
Also used are futaridori/futarigake (for two attackers), and (more rarely) sannindori (for three attackers). Stefan Stenudd
[[Special:Contributions/81.216.206.7|81.216.206.7]] ([[User talk:81.216.206.7|talk]]) 15:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Weapons ==

There are some additions and changes I would like to see in the chapter about weapons in aikido.
It is reasonable to mention that defense against sword attacks is called ''tachidori'', and defense against jo attacks is ''jodori''. Also, ''tantodori'', defense against knife attacks should be mentioned here. These things are part of the aikido curriculum in most (but not all) aikido styles and organizations. See for example Aikikai Hombu Dojo grading rules (2nd dan and up):
http://www.aikikai.or.jp/eng/gradingsystem.htm
Furthermore, to my knowledge the terms ''aiki-ken'' and ''aiki-jo'' are neither of Morihiro Saito's invention, nor exclusive to students of his type of aikido. The paragraph about these terms gives that impression.
Also, I would prefer that the terms are written ''aikiken'' and ''aikijo'', but that might just be me :)
There may also be reason to mention Shoji Nishio's extensive weapons training, and inclusion of it in his style of aikido - to balance the impression given by the existing text that such things would be additions in the Iwama line of aikido only.
Stefan Stenudd
[[Special:Contributions/81.216.206.7|81.216.206.7]] ([[User talk:81.216.206.7|talk]]) 15:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that within the Iwama Ryu and Iwama style tradition, weapons training is usually referred to as ''bukiwaza''. Stefan Stenudd
[[Special:Contributions/81.216.206.7|81.216.206.7]] ([[User talk:81.216.206.7|talk]]) 20:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== When aikido "got" its name ==

I have temporarily pulled the following text from the article, which was just added by [[User:Aikidoka66|Aikidoka66]]:
 <nowiki>According to [[Morihiro Saito]] Aikido got it's official name in 1941.<ref name="AIHA">{{cite book
| last = Saito
| first = Morihiro
| title = Aikido: Its Heart and Apperance
| publisher = Minato Research & Publishing CO.; LTD
| year = 1984
| pages = 12
| location = Tokyo, Japan
| isbn = 0-8740-345-1
}}</ref></nowiki>

I think this is a great addition, but it needs a little more context in order to fit in with the article.  I don't have access to the source cited, so if someone could clear up what it means for aikido to "get" an official name, or could repeat the line from the book that Saito uses, I think this sentence could be revised slightly and go right back in the article.  For example, did aikido 'get' its name in 1941 because that's just when Saito remembers Ueshiba began to use the term, or does Saito recall a specific day in 1941 when Ueshiba showed up for training with a great big "AIKIDO" sign that he hung up outside the dojo?  Right now however, the sentence doesn't really have any useful meaning, and I can't support its inclusion as-is. [[User:Bradford44|Bradford44]] ([[User talk:Bradford44|talk]]) 14:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)