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== Sill international an US only versions? ==
From what I can see here Amazon is now only selling the international version of the Kindle 2 and DX. Maybe someone can confirm this and update the sections about it. cu [[User:AssetBurned|AssetBurned]] ([[User talk:AssetBurned|talk]]) 14:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC) 

== Content Sources ==

Is the content sources section in Content really necessary?  There are numerous sources for e-books and the line referring to the sources could be shortened to stating that the Kindle can view certain types of e-book files from various online websites. [[User:St33med|St33med]] ([[User talk:St33med|talk]]) 01:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== RSS subscription line ==

I am removing this line in content:
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Amazon charges monthly for RSS subscription to select blogs, even though users could use the experimental web browser to navigate to and read blogs or any other web pages free of charge.
</blockquote>
Simply because it is stated before hand and it has negative implications on the feeds. This, however, could be moved to criticisms. [[User:St33med|St33med]] ([[User talk:St33med|talk]]) 01:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== Whispernet ==

Whispernet redirects to Kindle... I would like to request an article about Whipsernet. - (me: 4 Dec 2007)  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.102.242.56|128.102.242.56]] ([[User talk:128.102.242.56|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: I figured that since no one else responded, I shall.  There was a Whispernet article, you can see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Whispernet&oldid=173031620 last version].  There wasn't much to it, so it was decided to merger in.  To the best of my knowledge Whispernet is simply a term for the use of the Sprint EVDO network (per whats written in the Kindle article).  If at some later point more information becomes available - the article can be resurrected.  --[[User:ShakataGaNai|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''S'''hakata'''</span><span style="color:#006400">G'''a</span><span style="color:#00008B">'''N'''ai</span>]] <sup>[[User Talk:ShakataGaNai|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, Whispernet is just Sprint EVDO, with the added twist that the user does not pay any recurring fee for it. [[User:NuclearWinner|NuclearWinner]] ([[User talk:NuclearWinner|talk]]) 22:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Sane ELs to ''Kindle User's Guide'' and ''About Your Amazon Kindle''? ==

Amazon.com does provide access the PDF versions of the Kindle's Getting Started and Reference guides from the product's page listing, which might be valuable external links (if not references). However, I cannot ascertain what an appropriate link to either may be (i.e. whether the URLs I see locally represent content cache locations to balance request loads). Thoughts on what may be appropriate here? [[User:D.brodale|D. Brodale]] ([[User talk:D.brodale|talk]]) 04:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Does it work in Finland/Europe? ==

Hi!

Someone should write whether or not this Kindle's EVDO/CDMA AnyDATA wireless modem work in Europe? How about the [[Whispernet]]? Does it work in Finland/Europe? [[User:Urvabara|Urvabara]] ([[User talk:Urvabara|talk]]) 13:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

: WP isn't an FAQ, but I'll answer it here for you.  The short answer is "No".  So far from what I've read, amazon wont even sell it to other countries.  Also, most of the world (including Europe) uses GSM, not CDMA.  If I remember correctly, generally the only use of CDMA still is North America.  --[[User:ShakataGaNai|ShakataGaNai]] ([[User talk:ShakataGaNai|talk]]) 19:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks! Someone should add this info to the article. [[User:Urvabara|Urvabara]] ([[User talk:Urvabara|talk]]) 06:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It actually already says that.  More specifically it says "service launched in the United States" and "which uses the Sprint EVDO network".  Short of flat out writing "No, this wont work anywhere other than the US", everything has been said.  Its also arguable that the kindle is usable outside the US.  Every key feature Amazon has included on the kindle uses the Cellular capabilities - but doesn't require it.  So if you were to get a kindle outside the US - you could still purchase books and load them up over USB.  --[[User:ShakataGaNai|ShakataGaNai]] ([[User talk:ShakataGaNai|talk]]) 07:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Ok. [[User:Urvabara|Urvabara]] 13:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:Instead of saying 'someone' should do something, just go make the changes you think the article needs, [[WP:BOLD|be bold]].[[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 07:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Ok, but someone already edited it... [[User:Urvabara|Urvabara]] 13:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Amazon's website says U.S. users can continue purchasing and otherwise managing their Kindle activities via their computer when abroad. Without mentioning this one gives the impression the device is completely dependant the domestic Whispernet when this is not so.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/210.197.244.81|210.197.244.81]] ([[User talk:210.197.244.81|talk]]) 01:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Criticism section ==

The Criticism section is a wee bit dodgy!  All of the points mentioned are probably valid and indeed easily found on the reviews on Amazon.com, but I'm not sure that's an acceptable source?  Should the section just be wikified and merged into the general body of text??  [[User:Conmalone|Conor]] ([[User talk:Conmalone|talk]]) 16:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:[[WP:CRITICISM#Formatting criticism]] has some guidance on this.  I prefer to retain the separate section. Amazon.com reviews seem weak as a citation because they're not really published as described in [[WP:NOTE]], nor attributed to a real-world person. [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 18:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:I removed everything lacking a verifiable source.  There have been a couple of reviews published by credible sources so far, but things like "it costs as much as the iPhone but isn't as good" (paraphrased) are not useful. [[User:White 720|White 720]] ([[User talk:White 720|talk]]) 00:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
The bit about justification without hyphenation is a good catch! I'm glad someone brought it up because it indeed is a bit of an oversight. On the bright side, I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to remedy with a wireless software upgrade, if Amazon so chooses. I hope they do. -cp 00:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Criticism should not be a part of this article, it is merely trolling. We should have a serious discussions about the merits of a criticism section this early in a product launch, and also what are the general grounds for adding a criticism section when there are no authoritative sources of criticism at this time. To make the issue clear, would the reverse section "positive benefits of Kindle" or some such section be appropriate? If not, then the "criticism" section should be removed. This article should, at the present time, only present the facts of the device and leave off troll bait criticism (and praise).  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.86.253.144|24.86.253.144]] ([[User talk:24.86.253.144|talk]]) 07:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I think it would be very important to add a criticism section. They are using DRM to lock-in users. A souce for this is a site by the FSF http://www.defectivebydesign.org/KindleSwindle . I think it's a problem that there is NO mentioning on DRM in the article at the moment.
--[[User:Stefon|Stefon]] ([[User talk:Stefon|talk]]) 17:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for mentioning the capabilities of the Kindle in the article, including the "DRM" that is built into the device, but putting it under a 'criticism' section is disingenuous for many reasons and should not be in an encyclopedia. I could site a source of a major environmentalist group who endorses the Kindle for it's movement away from paper for newspapers and other traditional print media - but that does not warrent a whole section called "Positive effects of Kindle". We all know Richard Stallman and Co. are against DRM, but the fact is that does not belong in an Encyclopedia.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.86.253.144|24.86.253.144]] ([[User talk:24.86.253.144|talk]]) 20:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I believe in the fact that DRM is a negative thing. But I agree with you that wikipedia is not the right place to decide it. But mentioning the DRM system is an important (wether positive or negative) aspect of the system. Do you agree with adding it to the ''Technical specifications'' paragraph?
--[[User:Stefon|Stefon]] ([[User talk:Stefon|talk]]) 21:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
:Details of the DRM employed should go in the article on [[AZW file format]] though its impact on the Kindle device & its users would be appropriate for this article. [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 21:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Guys DRM is only negative if you are in favor of totally opensource digital content, but the fact is that there is a huge debate about the merits of that. Having intellectual property rights gives creators a benefit for the labor they put into creating it. DRM is a way of protecting the rights of authors, publishers and owners to get some money from people who wish to use their products. DRM is arguably a positive thing from the perspective of those who favor intellectual property rights. If you look at it from an international perspective, technologies like DRM favor America and Europe who are major producers of intellectual content from countries that don't believe such things deserve to be respected, such as China. But if you think about it, would it be fair if we could go online and download chinese goods and property for free illegally? Imagine if you could download chinese toys or electronic parts online instead of buying them, would that be fair to the chinese who design and build them? (No :-P) --[[User:Wmspareaccount|Wmspareaccount]] ([[User talk:Wmspareaccount|talk]]) 23:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether it belongs under 'Technical Specifications' or 'Content', but absolutely agree a mention of DRM should be made somewhere in the article. I'm leaning more towards the content section, since the only media actually DRM'd is the AZW files.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.86.253.144|24.86.253.144]] ([[User talk:24.86.253.144|talk]]) 21:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Would you like to mention the DRM under the content section or should I add it? Btw. I think THIS external link ttp://kindlegeek.com/ is not really neutral... Or whats the difference between this and the FSF link?!
--[[User:Stefon|Stefon]] ([[User talk:Stefon|talk]]) 12:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the comment about the zooming around documents, you can't "zoom" in kindle, whoever wrote that clearly doesn't use it or maybe even own it. What you can do is change the text size, but whatever he was trying to say was clearly wrong. Kindle displays digital text, not an image as in a PDF document, so there is no way that you could "zoom" like you would an image in photoshop. It's not like the Illiad or other readers that can display PDFs as images. Kindle can display images but it's more like the images that show up on a word document or on project Gutenberg, not like the more flat, unalerable image that you'd see on a PDF. --[[User:Wmspareaccount|Wmspareaccount]] ([[User talk:Wmspareaccount|talk]]) 23:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC) I noticed that someone put it back up to day, but the fact that it's not even sourced should be a good indicator of how reliable that zooming coment is. There is no zooming in Kindle, so whoever put that in there is making it up.--[[User:Wmspareaccount|Wmspareaccount]] ([[User talk:Wmspareaccount|talk]]) 14:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::You can, indeed, "zoom" on the Kindle when it comes to images. From the user's guide for Kindle 2: "Increasing the Size of a Picture: If you’d like to see a larger size of a picture or image you encounter in your reading material, simply follow these steps to zoom temporarily on the image." 7 April 2009  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.7.198.226|75.7.198.226]] ([[User talk:75.7.198.226|talk]]) 05:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I have done a lot of editing on the criticisms, including commenting out the part which compares the Kindle's price to other devices unfairly.  In my opinion, such criticisms should be moved to an entirely separate page unto itself. [[User:St33med|St33med]] ([[User talk:St33med|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 03:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The use of the passive voice in the "Criticism" section (e.g., "There is concern," "Other criticisms involve") is substandard and should be fixed.

== What Books Does it Have? ==

Though you can search Amazon.com for what books Kindle offers, There is no full list of the books. If you like reading more obscure books, what does Kindle offer? Why Does Amazon.com offer more books than the Kindle? Shouldn't it be the same? There are a ton of questions that need to be answered.[[Special:Contributions/24.250.59.55|24.250.59.55]] ([[User talk:24.250.59.55|talk]]) 20:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

: Huh?  There is a full list of books that Amazon offers for the kindle,  Goto amazon's site and click [http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sv_kinh_1/104-2476414-8487112?ie=UTF8&node=154606011 Kindle books] (linked for your ease of clicking).  Right now it says "91,961 Results".  Thats -every-single-book- amazon offers for the Kindle.  There aren't any "hidden" books or equally "obscure" titles that hide out on the device.  What the Kindle (Devices) accesses, is the their website, just slightly reformatted.  Thats it.  End of Story.  As for "Why does amazon.com offer more books than the kindle?" by that I assume you mean "Why doesn't amazon offer every book on the Kindle" and the answer is simple - because their either don't have a license to sell it electronically, or no electronic version exists.  --[[User:ShakataGaNai|ShakataGaNai]] ([[User talk:ShakataGaNai|talk]]) 20:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Not sure if ShakataGaNai is a native speaker of N.A. or RP English. "Obscure" doesn't mean hidden, it means less popular or not as widely known works. I've found some of these, like one of the novels by Dostoyevsky which I did not expect to find for Kindle. The Charlie Rose interview listed among the External Links will answer a lot of the questions people seem to have here. Bezos says that the figure 90,000 titles is roughly what a brick-and-mortar superstore would carry in terms of inventory.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/210.197.244.81|210.197.244.81]] ([[User talk:210.197.244.81|talk]]) 01:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I have added a summary of available content that I have been able to track down based on discussion forum threads.  Some of these sites I have visited.  I don't pretend that is is exhaustive, and I I others will add to this list as time goes on. --[[User:Knipfty|Knipfty]] ([[User talk:Knipfty|talk]]) 17:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:To be perfectly honest, I disagree with these additions, but I personally won't revert. The table goes against general principles, [[WP:NOT]] for ''not a directory'', as these are indiscriminate links. And so it's clear where I stand, I've personally used many of these links myself to find free content, but that is not the purpose of the article. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 18:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::I agree with Yngvarr... as useful as the table may be, it really doesn't fit on wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia not a directory. Perhaps the ones which are Kindle-specific could be added to the outside links section.Pstanton 20:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pstanton|Pstanton]] ([[User talk:Pstanton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pstanton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Maybe the table should be on a Kindle specific site, but this still answers the question of "What books does it have?".  I am open to suggestions on where or how this could be better positioned.  It took some time to put this together and it is a common question not just for the Kindle but all eReaders.  For me, I am receiving mine on Christmas Day and have looked into this over the past month.  I also plan on addressing content in more detail once I get more familiar with the Kindle.  Namely, how to convert content.  --[[User:Knipfty|Knipfty]] ([[User talk:Knipfty|talk]]) 21:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Wikipedia ==

I've heard it allows access to Wikipedia articles.  Does anyone know whether they're complying with the [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]]? [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 02:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't follow.  Amazon is not copying, translating, modifying, aggregating, etc. but just displaying existing Wikipedia content, so how does the GFDL pertain? [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 05:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
no it  goes there on  the  web. also  i am editing  this  on  one  right now.  it is really  a pain  but works  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/8.18.145.230|8.18.145.230]] ([[User talk:8.18.145.230|talk]]) 17:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Introduction ==

"Amazon Kindle is an electronic book (e-book) service" 
I think that this should be amended to something like:
:"The Amazon Kindle is an electronic book (e-book) which can provide the user with a service allowing easy content delivery.

If I were to purchase a Kindle and never turn the Whispernet on, there is no 'service' as such. {{unsigned|JayCeeEll|15:58, 24 December 2007}}

:I agree, since Amazon themselves refers to the Kindle as a wireless reading device and an electronic reader. The wireless access is a feature. -[[User:Wikipedia XP|Wikipedia XP]] ([[User talk:Wikipedia XP|talk]]) 18:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== Why is it called Kindle?==
Such a weird name, but Wikipedia doe not like trivia sections, where such info would go.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.245.46.128|66.245.46.128]] ([[User talk:66.245.46.128|talk]]) 21:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: I believe (and I could be wrong) it was called the Kindle because of what [[wiktionary:kindle]] means.  Specifically "To start (a fire) or light (a torch).".  Something about starting a fire under ebooks, or literacy, or the desire to read. --[[User:ShakataGaNai|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''S'''hakata'''</span><span style="color:#006400">G'''a</span><span style="color:#00008B">'''N'''ai</span>]] <sup>[[User Talk:ShakataGaNai|Talk]]</sup> 22:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

::Because that's the one thing you can do with real books but not the Kindle -V. Vecera, 04/2008  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.73.65.172|75.73.65.172]] ([[User talk:75.73.65.172|talk]]) 17:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Actually, it's the second definition of kindle - "to excite; stir up or set going; animate; rouse; inflame: He kindled their hopes of victory." Amazon is trying to "kindle" interest in e-books and their wispernet system.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.189.82.18|76.189.82.18]] ([[User talk:76.189.82.18|talk]]) 16:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Reception section? ==

Given the profile of the product, would it be appropriate to detail how it was received? If I recall correctly, there were reviews in both the New York Times and Wall Street Journal.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.69.118.1|75.69.118.1]] ([[User talk:75.69.118.1|talk]]) 21:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->



== [[AZW file format]] Merger ==

I've proposed that the contents of [[AZW file format]] (all one sentence) be merged into this article. --[[User:ShakataGaNai|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''S'''hakata'''</span><span style="color:#006400">G'''a</span><span style="color:#00008B">'''N'''ai</span>]] <sup>[[User Talk:ShakataGaNai|Talk]]</sup> 21:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with this proposal. [[User:White 720|White 720]] ([[User talk:White 720|talk]]) 00:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
::Agree also.  I expected [[AZW file format]] to grow larger when details were available, but it doesn't look like this is happening. [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 01:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:::'''Done'''.  Everything that was in the AZW article is already here on the Kindle article so I did not copy and information.  --[[User:ShakataGaNai|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''S'''hakata'''</span><span style="color:#006400">G'''a</span><span style="color:#00008B">'''N'''ai</span>]] <sup>[[User Talk:ShakataGaNai|Talk]]</sup> 02:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

==Self-referencing link==
[[AZW file format|AZW]] redirects here, yet is included as a link in this article.  Seems to me that an article about AZW needs to be created (by someone who knows what he's talking about, unlike me), or the link removed. [[Special:Contributions/67.96.20.158|67.96.20.158]] ([[User talk:67.96.20.158|talk]]) 15:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

==hold on==
No mention of how Amazon was deleting unflattering reviews of its product (on its own site, obviously) soon after the Kindle was released? How about the Amazon shills who went around criticising such reviews?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/138.163.0.42|138.163.0.42]] ([[User talk:138.163.0.42|talk]]) 19:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This is why user-generated content and reviews on online retail stores are not suitable for [[WP:RS|sourcing]]. In this case, if this reporting of this activity by reputable news sources, then it could be added. [[User:Flowanda|Flowanda]] | [[User talk:Flowanda|Talk]] 01:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure Amazon has a standing policy of deleting reviews that are clearly by people who havn't bought the product; this doesn't just apply to their own stuff. --[[Special:Contributions/81.158.148.64|81.158.148.64]] ([[User talk:81.158.148.64|talk]]) 00:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, given that large parts of this Wikipedia article have a heavy whiff of corporate spin about them, it's hardly surprising that Amazon would do that on their own website.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.108.233.249|81.108.233.249]] ([[User talk:81.108.233.249|talk]]) 19:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I fail to see how accusations like this are worthy of an encyclopedic entry, unless there has been some sort of report by a reputable news source on this alleged activity. Until there is, I would suggest no mention of "deleting unflattering reviews" in this entry.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.7.198.226|75.7.198.226]] ([[User talk:75.7.198.226|talk]]) 03:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Sales Numbers?==
Anyone know how many of these things have been sold? Enough to call it a success yet? [[User:PaulinSaudi|Paul, in Saudi]] ([[User talk:PaulinSaudi|talk]]) 17:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well Amazon is selling 10% of its books as kindle books, that's a significant indication of what they've achieved, they've also sold out, another good indication (or logistical miscalculation if you want to look at it that way).<ref>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/03/kindle.electronic.reader/index.html?iref=newssearch</ref>. --[[User:Wmspareaccount|Wmspareaccount]] ([[User talk:Wmspareaccount|talk]]) 23:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Amazon has fairly consistently refused to release sales numbers for the Kindle, despite it being widely considered a major success. No one really knows why, I myself would be interested in the actual number sold. Pstanton 03:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pstanton|Pstanton]] ([[User talk:Pstanton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pstanton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Editing wikipedia on the Kindle?==

Amazon's product page indicates the Kindle has free access to Wikipedia, but it does not indicate if contributing to Wikipedia (editing articles, uploading content, etc) is possible.  It would be nice to see this information in the article, if anyone has it. [[User:Gh5046|Gh5046]] ([[User talk:Gh5046|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:i am doimg so now but i would not recommend it. it is hideously slow and painful. i would rather pull my nose hairs out  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.21.198.64|72.21.198.64]] ([[User talk:72.21.198.64|talk]]) 17:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Added explanation of why statement of 4GB implied SDHC was removed ==

The mention of 4GB implying support for SDHC was removed, because 4GB does not imply SDHC. Non-SDHC SD cards <i>can</i> support 4GB<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#Why_v1.01_SD_cards_can_have_4_GB_capacity</ref>. [[Special:Contributions/24.26.128.185|24.26.128.185]] ([[User talk:24.26.128.185|talk]]) 17:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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== Tech specs ==

The section [[Amazon Kindle#Technical specifications]] is redundant, as the infobox lists the specifications is a much more readable format. There is no text in the section which is not already listed in the infobox. Unless there is serious disagreement, I think that the section should be removed. [[User talk:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 11:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

==Backup?==
If one's kindle is lost or damaged, does the user lose his entire library?[[User:Sylvain1972|Sylvain1972]] ([[User talk:Sylvain1972|talk]]) 16:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

:In a way, kinda sorta. All your Amazon Kindle purchases are stored on the Amazon website through your Amazon account ("Manage my Kindle"), so if you loose your library, you can re-download them (for free). You will loose bookmarks, annotations, etc; anything not an intrinsic part of the book. If you've downloaded free e-books (like from Gutenberg), you'll need to reinstall them (or store non-Amazon books on a memory card as a backup procedure). [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 16:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Why no kindle sales in Canada? ==

One GLARING deficiency in this wiki article is an explanation of the legalities around why Amazon can't, or won't, sell the Kindle to Canadians, or why you need to use a US-based credit card to buy the e-books to read on the Kindle.

On a related tangent, it's supposedly against the merchant agreement that vendors have with credit card companies to refuse a transaction based on the card holder's address or country of residence, yet it seems that Amazon (and possibly other merchants) get away with it.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.12.201.85|74.12.201.85]] ([[User talk:74.12.201.85|talk]]) 15:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This is probably an intellectual property rights disagreement between either the US and Canada or Amazon and Canada. When something like an Ebook isn't sold in a country, it's because the seller is afraid the target country will not adequately protect their products. Puerto Rico for example is another place that gets screwed by these laws, there are many american products that you can not buy in Puerto Rico because Puerto Rico isn't considered a secure market for them, such as many Dell computers. --[[User:Wmspareaccount|Wmspareaccount]] ([[User talk:Wmspareaccount|talk]]) 23:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ahhhh no. The reason the Kindle isn't sold outside the U.S. is because they don't have a contract for Whispernet service in Canada. Pstanton 20:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pstanton|Pstanton]] ([[User talk:Pstanton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pstanton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Even now that the international version has been released, the Kindle is still not available in Canada.  However I haven't seen any explanation of why this is anywhere.  [[User:TastyCakes|TastyCakes]] ([[User talk:TastyCakes|talk]]) 00:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

It's now (17Nov2009) to available in Canada, at least the original US version will ship to Canada although with reduced functionality (no web browsing). The delay seems to have been getting a favorable deal with Canada's limited choice of cell phone providers. [[Special:Contributions/24.87.93.229|24.87.93.229]] ([[User talk:24.87.93.229|talk]]) 21:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Use in various countries ==

I've added a note about UK availability, after finding nothing definite and needing to look up articles for myself.

I'm also interested to know if US purchasers of a Kindle can use it OK when in the UK etc.  Do they still have everything they downloaded?  Please add a note if you know.

--[[User:GwydionM|GwydionM]] ([[User talk:GwydionM|talk]]) 16:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:You can't use Whispernet, and aside from power conversion requirements, it'll still work. There's no "phone home". [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 16:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.  Could you please add that to the main article? --[[User:GwydionM|GwydionM]] ([[User talk:GwydionM|talk]]) 15:30, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:With respect, I see no reason to put it in the article. The availability section already mentions that Whispernet is not available outside the United States. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 00:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

== Lead image needs to be updated to Kindle 2 ==

Just FYI <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 21:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:Unless someone is willing to post an NFCC image (I'm not), I probably wait until it's in people's hands, and then they can take an photograph of their own device. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 22:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Yep, I'm just saying, it should be updated whenever a free one is available. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 23:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Device Topic Split ==

Should the information about the device be split off into an article called "Amazon Kindle (Device)", and a second article created called "Amazon Kindle 2"?
This article then becomes a repository for information about both devices, such as Whispernet and the store, etc., while the two articles about each device contain information about the hardware, such as battery life, display, etc.
[[User:Billyoneal|Billyoneal]] ([[User talk:Billyoneal|talk]]) 16:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== what format are images in? ==

this would be good wiki worthy.  the format of the images in the different e-book formats.  Obviously .txt does not support images, but do the other formats?  can we have a table that compares them?  TY  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.125.28.119|128.125.28.119]] ([[User talk:128.125.28.119|talk]]) 03:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Image and infobox ==

There is now a new image of the Kindle 2, but the infobox still reflects the original Kindle specs. Should the infobox be updated for the new Kindle 2? [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 22:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== It's mentioned on xkcd! ==

i don't know how to write these things properly, and so i just wanted to mention that xkcd mentioned it in the most recent thing.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RowanEvans|RowanEvans]] ([[User talk:RowanEvans|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RowanEvans|contribs]]) 16:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The XKCD reference demonstrates the enormous potential for Kindle, with a further sentence demonstating this it will add to the article.[[Special:Contributions/72.162.48.2|72.162.48.2]] ([[User talk:72.162.48.2|talk]]) 19:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:I don't disagree with adding this. But whoever tagged the original xkcd refs as "vandalism" needs to review [[WP:VAND]] for a clear explanation of what vandalism ''is'' and ''is not''. Anyways, I see it has been re-added. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]]
::Not everything needs to be documented as it has appeared in "popular culture." Source: [http://xkcd.com/446/ another xkcd comic]. [[User:White 720|White 720]] ([[User talk:White 720|talk]]) 22:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== Kindle vs Kindle 2 ==

Does anyone think a side by side image of the two versions is a good idea?

How about this?

<gallery>
File:AmazonKindleUser2.jpg|Original Kindle
File:Kindle 2 - Front.jpg|Kindle 2
</gallery>


--[[User:T1980|T1980]] ([[User talk:T1980|talk]]) 01:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The sidebar has been updated such that it is a mish-mash of some specs from Kindle 1 and some from Kindle 2 so that it is correct for neither. This needs to be split in two, one for each version. [[User:Jlick|Jlick]] ([[User talk:Jlick|talk]]) 04:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think the infobox is a good solution at this point, it would just clutter up the article. Maybe a table? [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 10:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to point out the picture of the Kindle 2 is awful. Can we please return to the Picture of Kindle 1? It would still be an article on the Kindle, but the Kindle 2 images are of appalling quality. --[[User:Pstanton|Pstanton]] ([[User talk:Pstanton|talk]]) 17:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Please add wikipedia capability to this page ==

Unless [http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Amazons-Wireless-Reading-Generation/dp/B00154JDAI/ref=amb_link_83624371_1/178-3405680-2281769?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYWYF2JCYME9K6WCPDY&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=469942651&pf_rd_i=507846|this page] is wrong, the Kindle still features wikipedia access.  Shouldn't this be mentioned on the Kindle's wikipedia page?  The [[Amazon Kindle]] page does not mention this at all!

Quote from [http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Amazons-Wireless-Reading-Generation/dp/B00154JDAI/ref=amb_link_83624371_1/178-3405680-2281769?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYWYF2JCYME9K6WCPDY&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=469942651&pf_rd_i=507846|Amazon's ad page for Kindle:]

<blockquote>
'''Wireless Access to Wikipedia'''
<br>
Kindle also includes free built-in access to the world's most exhaustive and up-to-date encyclopedia--Wikipedia.org. With Kindle in hand, looking up people, places, events, and more has never been easier. It gives whole new meaning to the phrase walking encyclopedia.
</blockquote>

Thanks! -[[User:Dutchwiki|Dutchwiki]] ([[User talk:Dutchwiki|talk]]) 03:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
: You know, I bet Douglas Adams didn't expect THHG to be made reality this fast. Yet, here it is. [[User:Zazaban|Zazaban]] ([[User talk:Zazaban|talk]]) 03:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Editing wikipedia on the Kindle 2? ==

I have asked [[Talk:Amazon Kindle#Editing wikipedia on the Kindle?|this question]] before concerning the first Kindle.  Does the second one have the ability to edit Wikipedia, however unpleasant as it may be?  This would be useful information for the article.  [[User:Gh5046|gh5046]] ([[User talk:Gh5046|talk]]) 23:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The Kindle 2 does have the ability to edit Wikipedia; however, as far as I can tell, you can't edit while logged in. I recently edited [[Treasure Island (disambiguation)]] with my Kindle (and then as a logged in user on my computer). The edit by 8.18.145.239 in the history is the Kindle edit. [[User:Mario777Zelda|Mario777Zelda]] ([[User talk:Mario777Zelda|talk]]) 00:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== Storage (memory) capacity ==

According to [http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Amazons-Wireless-Reading-Generation/dp/B00154JDAI Amazon's Kindle 2 page]:
"Storage: 2GB internal (approximately 1.4GB available for user content)."

According to Wikipedia's page (in the sidebar):
"64 MB RAM,
256 MB (180 MB available) internal storage,
SD expansion slot.
Complete back up archive of all purchased material archived on Amazon Cloud."

Was this for the original Kindle?  Can that be noted or can this info be updated?

I see no mention of an SD expansion slot in the [http://s3.amazonaws.com/kindle/Kindle2_Quick_Start_Guide.pdf Getting Started Guide] or in the full [http://s3.amazonaws.com/kindle/Kindle2_Users_Guide.pdf User's Guide].  Again I suspect that this information is old and from the original Kindle.

I realize that the information is correct in the main body of the article, but the side bar should also be clear for people who are using this page to get a quick reference.  How will we differentiate between these two versions' technical details without confusing people coming for a quick reference?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fogus|Fogus]] ([[User talk:Fogus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fogus|contribs]]) 23:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Images of kindle book text  and copyright ==

The current main image image for the Kindle has the text blurred because it is a copyrighted work. Maybe we can replace the image with text from a public domain work such as Shakespeare or a [[John Donne]] poem. 

The image I added to the page with the sample of large text is the opening lines to the novel [[Paul Clifford]] which was published in 1830 --[[User:T1980|T1980]] ([[User talk:T1980|talk]]) 14:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Should The Kindle 2 Have Its Own Article? ==

Just thining that a new article should be made for the Kindle 2 instead of having the topic within the broader article, just to eliminate some confusion.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Top2percent|Top2percent]] ([[User talk:Top2percent|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Top2percent|contribs]]) 17:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

In my opinion, the two devices are so similar and closely related that it's more helpful to keep them together in one article.[[User:JimC1946|JimC1946]] ([[User talk:JimC1946|talk]]) 10:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Table of version comparisons ==

I was thinking of a table such as below, to help compare the different versions. Any comments? I don't have the Kindle 1 specs handy, so the text is just placeholders. I think something like this would be useful.

''Comparison between versions''
{| class="wikitable" class="sortable" border="1"
|-
! Model
! CPU
! Memory
! Expansion
|-
| Kindle
| CPU specs
| Memory specs
| Expansion specs
|-
| Kindle 2
| Freescale ARM-11 532 MHz
| 2.0gb
| No external memory
|}

[[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 21:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

:If there are more than a few specs to compare on it maybe more appropriate to use the different models as columns rather than rows so as to prevent a very wide table. Also long and thin will allow for more detail in each cell. 
E.g.

{| class="wikitable" class="unsortable" border="1" cellpadding="10"
|+Comparison between Kindle versions
|-
! Spec 
! Kindle 
! Kindle 2
|-
!'''CPU'''
|CPU specs
|Freescale ARM-11 532 MHz
|-
!'''Memory'''
| Memory specs
| 2.0gb
|-
! '''Expansion'''
| Expansion specs
| No external memory
|}


--[[User:WebHamster|'''<font color="#000000">Web</font><font color="#ff0000">H</font><font color="#000000">amster</font>]]''' 21:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

::That looks fine. I think there are probably about five specs that are more useful to compare in this manner, so the table won't be too big. I'll let this stew a few days, just in case anyone else wants to comment. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 22:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== The size of Kindle screen ==

On the right side there is a picture that only gives information on the size of Kindle screen in local American measuring units. It would be good to have some information in international measuring units (mm!).[[User:Crex1|Crex1]] ([[User talk:Crex1|talk]]) 12:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:Feel free to add them as a parenthetical stat, keeping in mind [[Wikipedia:Mos#Units_of_measurement]]. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 12:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Checked [[Wikipedia:Mos#Units_of_measurement]] and as far as I see it so long as Kindle is only sold in The States it should indeed be imperial units. This would of course change if Kindle is ever sold outside the US - then SI would take preference. --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]</sup> 12:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Changing structure of this article ==

This article as it currently stands is an odd mixture of device specification, platform description and so on - the info box is a prime example of this - do we plan to list every device in it? Maybe we need a platform article - that covers the platform and it's history and a device article that covers the hardware?  --[[User:Cameron Scott|Cameron Scott]] ([[User talk:Cameron Scott|talk]]) 16:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

:There's no reason why a custom infobox couldn't be created, one that fits the generic specs of the devices, since they're fairly similar. I'd break the "Kindle", "Kindle 2", etc, into 3rd level headings under "Revisions" or something. And TBH, I'd not sectionize the new DX. Other than a larger screen, it is basically a "special edition" of the Kindle 2, and isn't meant to replace the Kindle 2, like the K2 did to the original. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 17:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Source code release ==

Are you sure Amazon released all the source code, or only that of the gpl applications involved? Amazon stated "Amazon is pleased to make available to you for download an archive file of the machine '''readable''' source code ("Source Code") corresponding to '''modified software packages''' used in the Kindle device. By downloading the Source Code, you agree to the following"- (Bolds ar mine). Package seems to contain only pre-existing free applications (but I am not sure). [[User:Inconexo|Inconexo]] ([[User talk:Inconexo|talk]]) 16:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Kindle considered a Vertical Marketing System (VMS) ... ==

I'd like to add a section noting that an Amazon Kindle is essentially a vertical marketing system (VMS), in that a Kindle (Amazon, actually) comprises a producer, wholesaler and retailer acting as a unified system. Anyone else see Kindles in that light? If you're not knowledgeable about Amazon's Digital Text Platform, that should also be included in the discussion. Thanks in advance for disagreement or agreement. :-)[[User:Seankinn|Seankinn]] ([[User talk:Seankinn|talk]]) 05:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:IMO, the Kindle system does not constitute a VMS because most book authors would not have anything to do with the distribution beyond their agreement with the publisher. Only Amazon and the publishers would be in a discussion of what goes into the Kindle, and indeed, on Amazon. Anyway, in the strictest definition of VMS, it would not apply because Amazon does not author books. In any case, I believe this information would not belong in the article on wikipedia. --[[User:Mizst|Mizst]] ([[User talk:Mizst|talk]]) 21:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::Btw, I'd like to note that in the Digital Text Platform, the authors do not own Amazon and cannot change how it works for their mutual benefits. Furthermore, Amazon is effectively bypassing traditional publishers with this platform, thus competing at the publishers' expense. As members of the channel are competing with one another, it is not VMS. --[[User:Mizst|Mizst]] ([[User talk:Mizst|talk]]) 21:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sales? ==

Has Amazon ever released any numbers on how many Kindles have been sold?[[User:JimC1946|JimC1946]] ([[User talk:JimC1946|talk]]) 17:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== The Kindle is not available outside the US due to import/export laws and other restrictions. ==

I can not think of any ''law'' that restrict Amazon from selling Kindle the device outside US. The reference only points to the Amazon FAQ which can not be considered to be interdependent prove that there are ''laws'' involved. As far as I see it the quoted reference is just marketing talk to cover up an unpopular business strategy.

What might not have made headline news in the US it the fact <ref>[http://www.onlinekosten.de/news/artikel/34953|Amazon Kindle: Deutschland wartet vergeblich]</ref> that Amazon tried to sell in Germany and the deal did not fail because of ''laws'' but because of the ''cost'' for the [[Wireless|OTA]] delivery.

I suggest to remove the "import/export laws" part and explain what the "other restrictions" relay are.--[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]</sup> 06:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== References ==

<references />

== Mysteriously removing books ==

Incorporate this into the page somewhere?

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/amazoncom-plays-big-brother-with-a-famous-e-book/?ref=technology  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.204.95.59|98.204.95.59]] ([[User talk:98.204.95.59|talk]]) 21:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Also this: [http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/07/amazon_to_world_we_are_not_evil_totalitarians.php "Amazon to World: We are Not Evil Totalitarians"] by Derek Thompson of the Atlantic on Jul 20 2009 (link is to theatlantic.com).  [[User:R. Baley|R. Baley]] ([[User talk:R. Baley|talk]]) 16:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

== Content sources ==

I just notice the "Content sources" and think they are over optimistic. For example I regularly follow the Mobipocket forums and I can say that only the demos are Kindle Kindle compatible - the actual books which you have to pay for are not. For a while a Kindle customer a day has asked for a refund (Now the forum is dead as customer service is done via E-Mail).

The notes too are misleading - yes Amazon owns Mobipocket so they can sell books in both shops - but that does not mean the user has more choice in books. I think Mobipocket should be removed.

Also the fictionwise notes should state that ony DRM-free books are suitable for Kindle

For me this does look like Amazon Advocates wanting an extra long list no matter what. --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]</sup> 09:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I merged that in from another page. That doesn't mean it needs to stay- please feel free to prune as necessary. [[User:Tedder|tedder]] ([[User talk:Tedder|talk]]) 15:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Dimensions? ==

What are the dimensions of this item? It says that the diagonal of the Kindle DX is 9.7 in. Does this only include the display area, or also the plastic around it? I've done some measurements with some papers, and found out that an A5 paper has a diagonal about 1 cm longer than the Kindle DX diagonal. Are the height/width quotient the same as for an A5 paper, or does it differ in some way?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.247.11.156|212.247.11.156]] ([[User talk:212.247.11.156|talk]]) 14:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Other Wikis ==
I've heard (and seen confirmed here) that Kindle has access to wikipedia.
Q1: Does it have access to non-English wikipedias, or to wikitravel, wiktionary, other wikis part of the wikipedia project?
Q2: Is there a list somewhere of all the sites/domains Kindle has access to?
Q3: This access is free, same as the store access?
[[User:Identity0|Identity0]] ([[User talk:Identity0|talk]]) 23:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:The Kindle 2 (and presumably the original Kindle) has free access to the internet in general; however, some sites (e.g., YouTube) will not display normally due to the technical limitations of the Kindle. [[User:Mario777Zelda|Mario777Zelda]] ([[User talk:Mario777Zelda|talk]]) 04:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

== Links ==

I deleted an "external link" which was linked to the webcomic XKCD, apparently a strip with some tangential reference to the Kindle Device.  I cannot in any way see how the webcomic entry was relevant just because it mentioned the device.  Furthermore, I don't think linking to a comic-strip is meaningful for an encyclopedia entry on the device itself.  If one wished to reference the device's cultural applicability or some such, then this might be a valid link.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.101.201.172|74.101.201.172]] ([[User talk:74.101.201.172|talk]]) 04:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== iSlate comparison in the intro ==

To avoid an edit war, I thought it best to discuss the issue here...  I think it's completely inappropriate to include mention of a rumoured device in the intro of ''another'' device.  It is [[wp:crystal|crystal balling]] at its most clear cut.  Wikipedia articles are meant to be about what is - not what is rumoured to be.  Nothing is ''known'' about the "iSlate" beyond rumour, even its name, and I think mentioning it in the article at all is a mistake, never mind the lede.  [[User:TastyCakes|TastyCakes]] ([[User talk:TastyCakes|talk]]) 18:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Kindle Default Dictionaries ==

The Content section of the article contains an incorrect statement:

"The device is sold with electronic editions of its owner's manual and the New Oxford American Dictionary. Unfortunately, owners cannot use a dictionary in a language other than English as the 'default lookup dictionary'."  

The Amazon website sells dictionaries in Spanish, French, and German that can be made the default dictionary.  I have purchased the Spanish and French dictionaries, and have been able to use them as my default dictionaries.

In addition to these foreign languages, Amazon sells specialized English-language dictionaries (e.g., dictionary of medical terms, a dictionary of terms that appear in the Bible) that can be made the Kindle default dictionary.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Erodriguezcustodio|Erodriguezcustodio]] ([[User talk:Erodriguezcustodio|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Erodriguezcustodio|contribs]]) 20:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Archiving ==

Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep the last ten threads.--[[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] ([[User talk:Oneiros|talk]]) 20:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:Not me, it does seem to be getting too long and it doesn't look like anyone wants to go and manually archive this stuff..  [[User:TastyCakes|TastyCakes]] ([[User talk:TastyCakes|talk]]) 15:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)