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= August 19 =
== Table ==
{{resolved|&mdash; [[User:Xcalizorz|'''X'''calizorz]] ([[User talk:Xcalizorz#top|talk]]) 10:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)}}

What's wrong with this chart below?

{| class="wikitable"
|-
|'''Result'''
|'''Tournament'''
|'''Surface'''
|'''Results of games'''
|'''Points earned'''
|-
| style="background: Dark Blue; color: black" <!-- bgcolor= (Gold winner, Silver runner-up, Bronze semi-finals, Green quarterfinals, Light Blue R16, Dark Blue R32, Purple R64, Red for anything lower) -->| Second Round 
| style="background:#d0f0c0; color: black"| [[2010 Western & Southern Financial Group Masters – Singles|2010 Western & Southern Financial Group Masters]]
| Hard (o)
| {{flagicon|USA}} def. [[John Isner]] 6-2, 6-3; {{flagicon|ARG}} lost to [[David Nalbandian]] 4-6, 2-6
| '''70'''
|}
[[User:JeremyMcClean|JeremyMcClean]] ([[User talk:JeremyMcClean|talk]]) 01:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:You were missing pipes ( | ) between your table formatting and text. I've added them. <font style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">[[User:Intelligentsium|<span style="color:#013220">Intelligent</span>]]'''[[User_talk:Intelligentsium|<span style="color:Black">sium</span>]]'''</font> 01:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:JeremyMcClean|JeremyMcClean]] ([[User talk:JeremyMcClean|talk]]) 01:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== User accounts ==

Do user accounts on Wikipedia automatically apply to other Wikimedia projects? [[User:Hallpriest9|<font color="navy">Hallpriest9</font>]] ([[User talk:Hallpriest9|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]) 03:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:See [[m:Help:Unified login]]. Cheers.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Wikiproject ==

Where do you go to propose the closing of a wikiproject? [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 04:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I would guess the best place to bring this up is [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council]] there talk page is [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council|here]].[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 04:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:Why do you want it closed? If it is because it seems inactive then see {{tl|Inactive}} and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Inactive projects]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== [[User:Raj6644/National Waterway 4]] - [[Template:InfoboxWatertransit]] - Help ==

I have used [[Template:Infobox_Water_transit|Infobox Watertransit]] template in the article [[User:Raj6644/National Waterway 4|National Waterway 4]]. I tried using ''Image'' in the Infobox using <br>
 '''|image           = [[File:India's_NW-4.png|50px]]'''
 '''|image_size      ='''
But Error Mesg of ''[[Image:|px|Image]]'' is appearing in the Article Info Box. Pls help me in rectifying this error. Please have a look at the article Info Box to see the error. Even if i try to assign Image size to ''|image_size'', its not working properly. ----<span style="color:#1589FF;">'''[[User_talk:Raj6644|Raj 6644<span style="color:#1589FF;">'''(தமிழன்)'''</span>]]'''</span> 06:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:I fixed it. The "Image =" field should have the unprefixed file name ONLY, "India's_NW-4.png" while the "image_size =" should say "200px". I hope it looks as you want it, now. --[[User:Jayron32|<font style="color:#000099">Jayron</font>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<font style="color:#009900">32</font>]]''''' 06:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:: {{resolved}}. Thanks Jayron! ---<span style="color:#1589FF;">'''[[User_talk:Raj6644|Raj 6644<span style="color:#1589FF;">'''(தமிழன்)'''</span>]]'''</span> 09:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Tallest Building in Singapore ==

Hi

Noted that in the article posted relating to the tallest buildings in Singapore, PSA building has been left out.

I think this building should qualify as being one of the tallest in Singapore but it was not mentioned in the article at all.

Hope you can help clarify.

Thanks  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/63.216.144.83|63.216.144.83]] ([[User talk:63.216.144.83|talk]]) 06:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It's in that list at [[List of tallest buildings in Singapore]], perhaps you missed it.  It's number 20.  --[[User:Jayron32|<font style="color:#000099">Jayron</font>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<font style="color:#009900">32</font>]]''''' 06:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Substitution Templates ==
{{Resolved|1=OP figured it out.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)}}
Hi, 
I am trying to write a substitution template which renders directly to markup. I have tried to grok [[Help:Substitution]] but getting the result I am looking for has escaped me. Editors are more than welcome to have a look at [[User:Unomi/hex]] as a starting point for what I am trying to get done. Basically I would like the result of <nowiki>{{subst:User:Unomi/hex}}</nowiki> to be a 'clean' number with no logic being output to the page. Many thanks in Advance, [[User: Unomi|<b style="color:#Fa0">u</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Unomi|<b style="color:#F80">n</b><b style="color:#F60">☯</b>]][[User talk:Unomi |<b style="color:#f30">m</b><b style="color:#f00">i</b>]]  09:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Think I got it, disregard :) [[User: Unomi|<b style="color:#713">u</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Unomi|<b style="color:#612   ">n</b><b style="color:#512">☯</b>]][[User talk:Unomi |<b style="color:#412  ">m</b><b style="color:#312  ">i</b>]] 10:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Additional information about the Sweedish actress Martha Hedman. ==
Martha Hedman wrote a book, 'Uncle, Aunt and Jezebel', published by Charles Scribner's Sons, New York. The copyright date is 1949 and there is a dedication to Henry Arther - '-the winter of our discontent was turned into glorious summer-'  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.50.20.210|68.50.20.210]] ([[User talk:68.50.20.210|talk]]) 10:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*If you should like to add this information to the biography of [[Martha Hedman]], please go ahead [[WP:Be bold|and do that]]. If there's any other assistance you might require, do feel free to mention that. Warm regards.[[User:Wifione|'''<span style="color: red; text-shadow:silver 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em">   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪   </span>''']] [[User talk:Wifione|'''<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣</sup>''']] 11:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== how to make contents list in an article? ==

Dear Wikipedia helpers
I am new to Wikipedia and have no knowledge of any markup language.
Please tell me how to make a list of contents in an article underway.
Kindly make Wikipedia more contributor friendly, by attaching simple rules for writing an article with the space given so contributors do not have to search Wiki page after Wiki page to write a few paragraphs, meanwhile other more experienced Wiki contributors easily write about the same new topic in a few minutes while new ones keep looking at the help pages.
Sincerely
Quantumash[[User:Quantumash|Quantumash]] ([[User talk:Quantumash|talk]]) 10:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:Hello, your answer can be found [[Wikipedia:Table_of_contents#Table_of_contents_.28TOC.29|here]]. A table of contents is automatically added if an article has more than three headings. Thank you. [[User:Xcalizorz|'''X'''calizorz]] ([[User talk:Xcalizorz#top|talk]]) 10:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::The [[WP:Article wizard|article wizard]] provides a walkthrough to help new contributors.  [[Wikipedia:Your first article]] is also helpful. New good-faith contributions are welcomed and valued, but it's actually not easy as an inexperienced contributor to identify an appropriate topic for a new article and write something that complies with Wikipedia's many policies and guidelines.  Many experienced Wikipedians learned their way around initially by improving existing articles, rather than attempting to start new ones - there's always plenty to be done in this area.  [[User:Karenjc|<font color="red">Ka</font>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 12:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Age ==

I am an extremely young user on Wikipedia.  However, I create and improve many articles, am going to participate in the WikiCup, voted in the global sysops proposal, nominate and review GA nominations, am involved in a Wikipedia maintainence wikiproject, patrol recent changes, nominate DYKs, and I think I might become a rollbacker soon.  And an admin in a few years.  Will other Wikipedians take me less seriously if I say my age on my user page? [[User:Us441|Us441]] ([[User talk:Us441|talk]]) 12:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'd strongly recommend that you ''don't'' mention your age on your user page - purely as a matter of personal security.
:Secondly, sadly, yes, probably. There does seem to be a tendency to judge less on editing maturity and more on biological maturity (or lack thereof). [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 12:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:There is no age requirement for admins and some of them are young but revealing your age will probably hurt your chances. See for example [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/JamieS93|this]]. See also [[Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy]]. Information of young age may be removed from your user page. There have also been suggestions to block users who have revealed young age (to protect them; they would be allowed to start another account). [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:I would concur with the above - do not mention your name. There is no reason to mention your age - for example, I am well above the age of majority in the UK, but do not have my age shown. If your edits are mature, then people will assume that you are older - if they are immature, they will assume the reverse. I could probably guess your age from what you say on your user page, but it would be just that - a ''guess'' (based on the date you plan to revamp your page). -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 13:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actaully, revealing ''any'' personal information is likely a bad idea.  At wikipedia, your work should stand on its own merits, so the '''only''' thing that counts is what is in the edit window when you press the "save page" button at an article.  Anything about you is irrelevent towards that end.  Revealing personal information cannot help in any way build your reputation at Wikipedia, at best it is irrelevent, and at worst it can only hurt.  --[[User:Jayron32|<font style="color:#000099">Jayron</font>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<font style="color:#009900">32</font>]]''''' 03:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::About stuff other than personal info, yes, people will take you less seriously, because I'm also an 'extremely young user'. Please read [[WP:Ageism]]. I also plan to be admin, but not till I manage to enter uni or something like that. '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:navy"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]''  [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]]  <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 04:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::"Revealing personal information cannot help in any way build your reputation at Wikipedia" - someone should mention that to [[User:Jimbo|Jimbo]]. I'm not saying the advice is wrong (I haven't outed myself for example), just noting that Jimbo seems to ignore it for some reason. Would it matter to Wikipedia if we had no personal information about participants who have the most influence? Perhaps Jimbo outs himself so we don't have to. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Also note that if youth is a problem, it is rapidly self-correcting. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

==Need a second set of eyes: can you see this picture?==
I'm not seeing an image at [[:Commons:File:Diegojourdan1.jpg]]. Do you? If not, I'll need to explore why not. If so, then the problem is presumably on my end. (The image should be, but is not, showing up at [[Diego Jourdan]]. FWIW, I use Mozilla Firefox.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:I can't see it either, the actual image just won't load. Possible file corruption? [[User:WhiplashInferno|WhiplashInferno]] ([[User talk:WhiplashInferno|talk]]) 13:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. :) Now that I know it's not just me, I'll trot it off to Commons to see if I can figure out what's up. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::It's alright :). Kindest Regards, [[User:WhiplashInferno|WhiplashInferno]] ([[User talk:WhiplashInferno|talk]]) 13:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::This has been happening a lot for me both today and yesterday. Some images work, some don't. Thanks, '''[[User:Rock drum|Rock]] [[User talk:Rock drum|drum]]''' <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rock drum|Ba-dum]]</sub>''<sup>[[User:Rock drum/Guestbook|Crash]]</sup>'' <sub>'''''[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Rock drum|(Driving well?)]]'''''</sub> 13:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hmmm. So it could be a technical issue with the website, perhaps. I'll mention that. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm not sure if I should answer but I can see the image, its portrait photo of a man. I'm not sure if tis was fixed already, so I hope this help?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Intouchwithbertj|Intouchwithbertj]] ([[User talk:Intouchwithbertj|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Intouchwithbertj|contribs]]) 12:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Modflow==
Hi there,

I am trying to edit the contents of the box on the right side of this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_MODFLOW

I cannot see how to do this; please advise.  I see that this is a template, which is fine; I just need to update the software release version, developer, and website URL.
thanks,  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Whesch|Whesch]] ([[User talk:Whesch|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whesch|contribs]]) 13:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Simply click on the "edit" tab at the very top of the page. This will allow you to edit the entire article. You should see, at the very top of the page, the template with the different parameters you can alter. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 13:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:{{Ec}} The information you need to change is in the infobox code (starting <code>{{Infobox</code>) - just edit the
:: <code>| latest_release_version = </code>
:: <code> | latest_release_date =  </code>
:: <code> | developer</code>
: lines -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 13:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== MonaVie Wikipedia ==

I just wanted someone to check into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie.  I have been involved in the company for quite some time and have found the product to be helpful with some health problems I've faced my whole life.  I'm seeing some irrational allegations posted on that wiki page, which are backed up with the appeal to false authorities fallacy.  There is a possibility that most of the information on that page was posted by persons who were involved with MonaVie but were unsuccessful in the business end of it.  
I'm just tired of the fear that is associated with using this product, given that if I even mention it to my peers I get insulted by people quoting your wikipedia article.
What I propose is an article that explains the nature of the company, the products, the MORE project charity, and a section at the end explaining any criticism about the company.  It appears that a majority of the article is criticism which is unjust.
Thank you for hearing me out, and I hope to see a different article up in the near future.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.8.146.147|216.8.146.147]] ([[User talk:216.8.146.147|talk]]) 13:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you feel that the criticism section of article is not neutral, feel free to tag it with {{tl|criticism}}. Regards '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:navy"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]''  [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]]  <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 13:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I could be wrong, but the sections of the article critical of MonaVie seem to be generally well referenced with reliable resources. These  include what appear to be peer reviewed academic papers as well as links to articles published by well regarded publications [[User:Darigan|Darigan]] ([[User talk:Darigan|talk]]) 14:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Image Display Problems on Existing Page ==
{{Resolved|1=Appears to have been database issue, now fixed.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)}}
On the [[Fort Andrews]] page, I have a map (Andrews_map.jpg) which won't show its thumbnail when clicked on. I also added a photo, Barracks-10.jpg, that will get as far as displaying a bordered thumbnail box, but then not display the thumbnail.  All other images on this page seem to be working fine.  I've fiddled with the syntax a good bit, but can't seem to find what's wrong. This was, I think, my first WP page, and I've done a few since then, but am a novice. Can you help? [[User:Pgrig|Pgrig]] ([[User talk:Pgrig|talk]]) 13:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:It looks fine now.  There was a problem with Wikipedia showing images, but it's been resolved.  See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Rendering a picture]].  --[[User:Mysdaao|Mysdaao]] <sup>[[User talk:Mysdaao|talk]]</sup> 15:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Image not rendered ==
{{Resolved|1=Appears to have been database issue, now fixed.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)}}
Hi!<br />
The first image in [[Rebetiko#The_Bouzouki]] is not rendered any more (checked with current versions of SeaMonkey and IE; cache cleared), although the link to the file is given in the page's HTML-source.

The code <nowiki>[[Image:Leonidas Gailas.png|thumb|upright=1.5|left|Martinus Rørbye (1835): ''Leonidas Gailas da Athina, Fabricatore di bossuchi'']]</nowiki> is rendered into <nowiki>
<img alt="" src="http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Leonidas_Gailas.png/330px-Leonidas_Gailas.png" width="330" height="215" class="thumbimage" /></nowiki>. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonidas_Gailas.png file] is only accessible by clicking on the 'empty' area. Any ideas? →[[User:Alfie66|Alfie]]<sup>[[User Talk:Alfie66|±Talk]]</sup> 14:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:Edit: By ''now'' it's up and working again. Maybe just. some hiccups in the database. '''Case closed.''' →[[User:Alfie66|Alfie]]<sup>[[User Talk:Alfie66|±Talk]]</sup> 14:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Table doesn't sort properly ==
{{resolved}} per edit summary on page, '''[[User:GB fan|<span style='color: #ffac2c;background-color: #00422f;'>~~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan&nbsp;~~</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:GB fan|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 12:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I might be missing something here, can anybody tell me why this table isn't sorting properly, when clicking on the "Average Attendance" column sorting?
This is the table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Liga_I#Attendances

Thanks.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cristane|Cristane]] ([[User talk:Cristane|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cristane|contribs]]) 15:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Sorting by average attendance works for me, but sorting by highest does not. Weird.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:I know what is happening I think I know why it is happening.  It has to do with the spanning headers.  When you try to sort by the highest attendance, which is the 7th header it sorts the 7th column.  That column is the round of lowest attendance.  then when you try to sort by the average attendance it sorts by the highest attendance because those are the 8th header and 8th column in the table.  The average attendance is close, but if you really look at it, it is not, it really stands out when you sort largest to smallest.  right now the only way I can think of fixing it would be to add 2 more headers into the table.  '''[[User:GB fan|<span style='color: #ffac2c;background-color: #00422f;'>~~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan&nbsp;~~</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:GB fan|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 17:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== upload page protected ==
{{resolved}}
Why is the upload page protected?  I tried it last night and again this morning, and when you try to start the actual upload, it rejects it, saying that it is protected and only admins can use it.  Why is it protected and when will it be available again? [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|<sup>(You talkin' to me?)</sup>]], 15:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:Files are uploaded all the time by non-admins: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1]. Which link do you click, which file name did you try to upload, and which exact message did you get? Some file names are protected. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:: I've uploaded over 100 files, but when I tried it last night and this morning, when I actually clicked the upload button, it said that the page was protected and only admins could change it.  [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|<sup>(You talkin' to me?)</sup>]], 20:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:: I just tried to do it again and got the same thing.  I'm trying to upload a public domain photo from NASA.  I couldn't link to the page, but it says this:
<nowiki>
Unable to proceed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This page is currently protected and can be edited only by administrators.
Why is the page protected?

    * Some templates and site interface pages are permanently protected due to visibility. Occasionally, articles are temporarily protected because of editing disputes. Most articles can be edited by anyone.
    * The reason for protection can be found in the protection log. If there are no relevant entries in the protection log, the page may have been moved after being protected.

	
What can I do?

    * For move-protected pages, see requested moves.
    * Request unprotection of the page.
</nowiki>

[[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|<sup>(You talkin' to me?)</sup>]], 20:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sounds like the image info page is, for some reason, protected against creation. What is the name of the image? What happens if you try to navigate to the image info page directly, bypassing the upload, ie to File:''insertimagename.jpg''.?&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:You are getting [[MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext]] with a parameter for full protection. Which file name did you try to upload? We cannot say anything based on "a public domain photo from NASA". [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:: The file name may be the problem, I was using "Hasselblad 500EL/M.jpg".  It might not like the slash in the file name.  But why wouldn't it say that instead of saying the page is protected?  [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|<sup>(You talkin' to me?)</sup>]], 20:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::: The filename was the problem. But why wouldn't it say that instead of saying the page is protected?   [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|<sup>(You talkin' to me?)</sup>]], 20:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== HOW CAN I RESEARCH THE NONES LANGUAGE (NOT LADIN) ? ==

I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE NONES LANGUAGE ....NOT LADIN....HOW CAN I RESEARCH?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.207.25.141|71.207.25.141]] ([[User talk:71.207.25.141|talk]]) 15:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Have you tried Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.{{z37}}<!-- Template:RD1 --> Don't forget to say please and don't SHOUT!&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::[[Nones language]] redirects to [[Ladin language]]. I am not an expert in the area (the Reference Desk would be better for experts), but Professor Carol Genetti of UCSB says "''Nones'' is the name of a variety of Rhaeto-Romance spoken in the Val di Non, a valley just north of Trento and just west of Bolzano in northern Italy. Nones is the name used by the people of the Val di Non to refer to their language. In the literature, the language is also known as ''Ladino Anaune'', the Ladin variety of Anaunia, a term traditionally used for the Val di Non which dates back to Roman times. Other names for the language is ''Noneso-Ladina'', and the German name ''Nonsberger Mundart''." For some references/useful reading, see Prof Genetti's page at [http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/faculty/cgenetti/nones/index.html UCSB] -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 16:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Conversion ==

I know that we have a template that converts measurements, for example {{tl|convert}} can be used in the form <nowiki>{{&thinsp;convert&thinsp;|&thinsp;10&thinsp;|&thinsp;in&thinsp;|&thinsp;cm&thinsp;}}</nowiki> to give {{convert|10|in|cm}}. Do we have, or could we create, a currency template that is updated with the current exchange rates? (I know that the existence question is a help desk question, and the invention question is a [[wp:village pump|village pump]] question.) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <font color="#000000">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">talk</span>]])</font></span> 16:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:I don't think such a template exists. The values of currencies fluctuate, so a template would have to pull current figures each time a page loads. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't know that anyone has attempted it yet. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 16:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::As a rule, in an article you find the current rate, and handcode it (for example, you would say "He earned $123,000 (£78,628.60) last year" rather than "He earned $123,000 ({{tlc|currency_convert|$|£|123000}}) last year" kind of thing). I'm not aware of it having been attempted before, as Tnxman307 says. -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 16:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, "He earned $123,000 (about £78,600 at the time) in 2009". That avoids problems with both meanings of the term "currency":) {{[[Template:currency|currency]]}} can help you format the currency-symbols, [[MOS:CURRENCY]] has more guidelines for this sort of thing. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 17:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Using references such as "last year" or "recently" is meaningless in Wikipedia. You never know when the article will be read or where it will end up on the Web.  It is better to use specific time and date references, such as "as of October 2009".&mdash;[[User:Hydrargyrum|Quicksilver]]<sup>[[User_talk:Hydrargyrum|T]] [[Special:Emailuser/Hydrargyrum|@]]</sup> 19:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Search by suffix? ==

I would like to find articles that share the same suffix, specifically ''(fighter)''. Pages would have this suffix if there exists other pages by people of the same name, and there is likely to be a corresponding disambiguation page. Ultimately, I am trying to figure out how many disambiguation pages link to articles about fighters. If I search article titles, it returns all pages with ''fighter'' in the title (e.g, fighter pilot), which is far more responses than is helpful. Searches seem not to preserve the parentheses, even though they are a key part of the search request. Is there a way to get the search to preserve meaningful punctuation? Or is there some other way to perform this search that I haven't thought of? [[User:Osubuckeyeguy|Osubuckeyeguy]] ([[User talk:Osubuckeyeguy|talk]]) 16:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I am aware, you can only search by the same ''prefix'' (using [[Special:PrefixIndex]]). I can find no way to preserve the parentheses (I tried ''"(fighter)"'' and ''intitle:"(fighter)"'' to no avail -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 16:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I tried those too. Thanks for giving it a shot, though. This does seem like a potentially useful feature, doesn't it?[[User:Osubuckeyeguy|Osubuckeyeguy]] ([[User talk:Osubuckeyeguy|talk]]) 16:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it would be useful if parentheses would be included if they are in quotation marks (e.g. if the search term was ''(test)'' then the brackets could be ignored perhaps, but if it was ''"(test)"'' then the brackets should be included! Perhaps you could bring this up at [[Wikipedia:Village pump]] or at [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org Bugzilla] (as the ignoring of the brackets in a quoted search would probably count as a bug)? -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 17:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::: This thread has been copied to [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Search_by_suffix]] for further discussion. [[User:Osubuckeyeguy|Osubuckeyeguy]] ([[User talk:Osubuckeyeguy|talk]]) 18:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::I have added an option there after seeing the post here. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Substituting new passage for old one ==

Yesterday, I rewrote an existing (erroneous) passage in the only Wikipedia article about Georgia's Chief Justice Carol Hunstein. The original passage is still there. Mine's there also, but in the "Reference" section. How do I substitute my writing for the original one? Thanks.[[User:Canebrake|Canebrake]] ([[User talk:Canebrake|talk]]) 16:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:It appears that you simply edited the wrong section. Ensure that you click the edit link next to the top of the section that you want to edit. [[User:Bk314159|Bk314159]] ([[User talk:Bk314159|talk]]) 16:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::I have incorporated the new text into the existing section, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Carol_W._Hunstein&diff=379807119&oldid=379664615 this edit].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Contacting a "celebrity" family member via any method, esp. E-mail ==

My favorite cousin, now deceased, Connie Monahan's son, Bill Monahan the screenwriter, I've been trying to contact since I bought this laptop 2 years ago, without success. Same with Bill's grandmother, my Aunt Mary Armstrong.  Why are celebrities so removed?  Granted, I'm web-ignorant, and at 74 am unlikely to improve much, but if you could help broadly if not specifically,  I'd be forever grateful.  Not caring about privacy, my name is Don Sniffin, and my phone is <redacted>.  Please?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.136.27.19|64.136.27.19]] ([[User talk:64.136.27.19|talk]]) 16:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Have you tried Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.{{z37}}<!-- Template:RD1 --> I have redacted your contact details.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
* Do you mean [[William Monahan]]? Unfortunately, the article has no link to an official website (if you could find that, you might be able to find a "contact" link there). I am afraid that I could find no official website, and so no way to contact him (or his staff). As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we have no way of giving contact details for celebrities or families, I'm afraid. Feel free to ask at the Reference Desk though, as someone there may be able to help! -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 17:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Article question ==
Hi, I have 3 articles not published (pending but blocked), because I am supposed to get permission for the reference quotes used. However, I quoted the bible & the authors are long dead. How do I unblock my articles? - Thanks Tom  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AdrianXXX777|AdrianXXX777]] ([[User talk:AdrianXXX777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AdrianXXX777|contribs]]) 17:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Which articles? Your contribution history shows only your edit to this page and two edits to [[DTA]] that have been reverted as inappropriate for that page. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 17:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you are talking about here. The only edits (besides this question) you are shown as having made, were to talk about a gaming alliance in some (online?) wargame; which is definitely not encyclopedic content, and had no place here. Is this what you are referencing? --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 18:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Like others, I'm at a loss to understand which articles you are referring to. Who told you to get permission for the reference quotes used? -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 18:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Emirati_Association ==
{{Resolved|1=Article [[WP:CSD#A7|speedily deleted]], user name [[WP:CORPNAME|blocked]].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)}}
Hi guys, 

There was a page created:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Emirati_Association

This page is for a Not-for-Profit Organization committed to improving the relationship between two countries.. it is most certainly not spam. It is not selling or promoting any products.

Furthermore the page template is based on several other near identical organizations including

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Industry_Group

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowy_Institute_for_International_Policy

However, an editor has marked the page as spam and marked it for speedy deletion... wondering if you could help us with editing it to Wikipedia's guidelines to avoid deletion?

Many thanks for your help!

[[User:Uaeinteraction|Uaeinteraction]] ([[User talk:Uaeinteraction|talk]]) 18:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but the page makes no indication of why it is [[WP:CORP|notable enough]] to warrant an article. Furthermore, it ''does'' appear to be [[WP:ADS|advertising]]. I would encourage you to read our info on writing [[WP:YFA|your first article]] and [[WP:COI|conflicts of interest]]. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 18:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Tnxman307 here. Organisations are quite capable of "advertising" - they may not be advertising their products, but the language for promoting an organisation is similar to that for promoting a company or a product. -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 19:22, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Me too, discussion also taking place at [[Talk:Australian Emirati Association]].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 19:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Media upload or Commons sandbox? ==

Is there a way to perform test uploads of media, similar to the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|Wikipedia Sandbox]], that can be linked to from the Wikipedia Sandbox to see how images and other media appear in articles and that get deleted automatically after 12 hours, or can be manually deleted by the uploader?  I've had problems in the past with, for example, SVG images not working properly when uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, and I've seen others having the same issues.  The result is sometimes a long series of failed uploads in an attempt to get something that "looks right", and the attendant waste of storage space.  Wikimedia Commons has its own sandbox, but it apparently functions like the Wikipedia Sandbox, allowing only text experiments.  For media tests it wouldn't actually be necessary to upload to Wikimedia Commons, as the various Wikipedias are able to access local media files. As uploader of the media files one can tag them for Speedy Deletion, but that requires human intervention by an administrator and seems a bit cumbersome. &mdash;[[User:Hydrargyrum|Quicksilver]]<sup>[[User_talk:Hydrargyrum|T]] [[Special:Emailuser/Hydrargyrum|@]]</sup> 19:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:There isn't a mechanism for this, as far as I am aware. Also, spacewise it makes no different - you still have to store the temporary image, and all images (even "deleted" ones) still take up space. The only advantage of this would be that an admin wouldn't need to look for "author request deletion" requests - but to be honest, these are the easiest deletes: if you see a file/article with that tag, quickly check the history - if the author is the only significant contributor, and is the requester of deletion, then *click* it's gone! -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 19:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not an administrator currently, so I can't delete even my own uploads.  Maybe this is a feature that should be considered for future improvements to the software.&mdash;[[User:Hydrargyrum|Quicksilver]]<sup>[[User_talk:Hydrargyrum|T]] [[Special:Emailuser/Hydrargyrum|@]]</sup> 19:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't make that bit clear: you just tag it as "Author requests deletion", and an admin will soon delete it - it's one of the easiest delete decisions we need to make! -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 19:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::For test images uploaded to Commons, see [[Commons:COM:D]] for the various ways to request deletion, particularly [[Commons:COM:SPEEDY]]. Use [[Commons:Template:Speedydelete]] and specify the ''reason'' field as: "Author requests deletion (it was a test)" or some such. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Wikipedia article Featured in most Languages ==

I've been trying to research this and I can't seem to find it, but I'm sure someone here will know it (or at least have some ingenious method to figure it out).  What article (or articles) have been promoted to Featured Article status on the ''most'' Wikipedia projects in different languages (though obviously including English as one)?
::''[[User:Peace and Passion|Peace and Passion]]'' <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">&#9774;</span>&nbsp; ''([[User talk:Peace and Passion|"I'm listening...."]]) 20:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:I've never heard of such a function or utility in the Wiki software.  It might require custom coding or patient, manual slogging through all the different language Wikipedias to gather.&mdash;[[User:Hydrargyrum|Quicksilver]]<sup>[[User_talk:Hydrargyrum|T]] [[Special:Emailuser/Hydrargyrum|@]]</sup> 22:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Well, we have [[Template:Link FA]], which is used to mark interwiki links to articles that are featured in other-language Wikipedias. Going through the "What links here" list for that page will show you ''what'' pages it's transcluded on; but I, at least, am unaware of a way to determine ''how many times'' it's transcluded on a particular page without going to the page and counting. (Going to [[Earth]], for instance, I see that the equivalent article is featured in 9 languages, counting English, and is a Good Article in 5 others.) Someone who knows more than I about writing computer programs—that is, more than nothing—could probably come up with gadget to perform such a count, though. Of course, the presence of the template may depend on actual human beings identifying such articles and adding the template here, so checking its use may not give an entirely accurate count. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 01:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:::That's interesting, I hadn't even thought of that.  Too bad I don't know how to code a program either.  Guess it's just a random tidbit of information which I'll never be able to figure out.  Thanks for the help!
:::::''[[User:Peace and Passion|Peace and Passion]]'' <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">&#9774;</span>&nbsp; ''([[User talk:Peace and Passion|"I'm listening...."]]) 03:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Putting the search function to use, I found [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2007 October 28#Most Featured Article]], which indicates, at least then, that it was [[Moon]] which then and now has ten; [[William Shakespeare]] mentioned there is now tied with moon at ten, but another, [[Julius Ceasar]] is featured in thirteen, and was once an FA here but was delisted in 2005.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 04:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::This is the sort of tidbit that would possibly be easier to determine if we had the [[semantic web]]. Currently, Wikipedia mostly answers the types of questions that someone anticipated you'd want to ask. With [[semantic wiki]] technology, Wikipedia might answer a much broader range of questions without requiring developers to anticipate every single question. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== gastric bypass ==

In Canada  will manitoba medical cover the costs of gastric bypass in persons with type 2 dibetis  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.216.121.252|74.216.121.252]] ([[User talk:74.216.121.252|talk]]) 22:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]], the free online encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]], and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to ''using'' the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|reference desk]], divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.{{z25}}<!-- Template:Astray --> <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 22:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Show/hide text box thingy... ==

I want to streamline longer conversations on my talk page now and then by being able to collapse and expand sections.  I know there is...

{{hidden|this|Yadda-yadda-yadda}}

...but sometimes all the text it displays is <nowiki>{{{2}}}</nowiki>.  I'm not sure what the problem is.  Is there a section regarding these or can someone help me out here?  <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Mbinebri|<font style="color:black;background:white;font-family:helvica;">''&nbsp;'''Mbinebri'''&nbsp;''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Mbinebri|talk &larr;]]</sup> 23:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:The documentation for {{[[Template:hidden|hidden]]}} mentions the use of '''header=''' and '''content=''' fields in order to give more specific control over what the various text components are. There are several ways to trigger mis-interpretation when relying on positional (un-named) parameters in a template. If you have a specific example where you see the wrong behavior, someone can probably spot what's happening. But regardless, named-parameters should solve it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 23:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, okay, I get it now.  Thanks!  <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Mbinebri|<font style="color:black;background:white;font-family:helvica;">''&nbsp;'''Mbinebri'''&nbsp;''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Mbinebri|talk &larr;]]</sup> 00:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

= August 20 =

==Change didn't save==
I was on the complete list of animated movies page and noticed that one movie ("Open Season 3") was not listed under 2011 releases, so I edited the list and added the movie to the list (I was logged in) and then clicked on "show changes." It showed the change that I made, but when I left the editing page and went back to the list page, my edit was not there! Why is that? [[User:Bigbird13041|Bigbird13041]] ([[User talk:Bigbird13041|talk]]) 00:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Because you didn't save your change, you just looked at what you were changing.  Next time, his save changes.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::I see you got it figured out on your own.  Also, film titles should be in ''italics'' and not "double quotes".  You can make something italic by wrapping it in two single quotes as opposed to using double quotes.  (just don't hold down the shift key to get a single quote)  Films, novels, television shows, and music albums go in ''italics'' whereas shorter works such as songs, TV episodes, and short stories go in "double quotes". <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::<small>Dismas, your instructions about holding down the shift depend on which national [[keyboard layout]] the user has. For example, here in the UK, double quote is shift-2</small> --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== This month's queue ==

How can I web browser bookmark 'This month's queue' found on the [[Portal:Featured_content]] page? I want the bookmark to visit this month's queue, not the queue at the month I created the bookmark. -- 03:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CraigKeogh|CraigKeogh]] ([[User talk:CraigKeogh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CraigKeogh|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:As far as I can see, Portal:Featured content does not have any "this month's queue"—might you be talking about what is currently [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 2010]], which is piped to "this month's queue" at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]]? If so, I don't know how to make your browser bookmark it, but I can tell you how to make a link you can place on your talk or user page that will always access the current page: <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}]]</nowiki>. --[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 04:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Making time tables ==

I'm trying to create a timeline for [[Monarchs of Hawaii]].  Can someone help me?  I'm seem to make a lot of error.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 04:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hi KAVEBEAR. I reverted the article to just before the first corrupt timeline. I'm not very familiar with the the process, but I looked over [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EasyTimeline/syntax#DateFormat the reference for EasyTimeline syntax], and it looks like, from the errors generated as shown on [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_monarchs_of_Hawaii&oldid=380044766 the last article version with the attempted timeline]:
:# the 'from' attribute for Period cannot start earlier than 01/01/1800, and you were trying to start it on 01/01/1795. This seems to render the entire Period command invalid, which in turn leads to the two following errors
:# the 'start' attribute for ScaleMajor is invalid because of the invalid Period command
:# PlotData is invalid because of the invalid period command

:Basically, it looks like you can't use EasyTimeline to create a timeline that starts before 01/01/1800. What I don't have an answer for, sadly, is how proceed. Perhaps a more experienced editor can recommend a workaround. Sorry and good luck! [[User:Northumbrian|Northumbrian]] ([[User talk:Northumbrian|talk]]) 01:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ligatures ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Julius_Caesar&diff=prev&oldid=379852753 This] edit summary says ligatures aren't used. I can't find the guideline stating that, can someone else enlighten me on current practice or guidelines? Thanks. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 05:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:The closest I can find is: [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)#Modified letters]], which deals more with the naming of articles, but is germaine to this issue; it says "One recurrent issue has been the treatment of ae and oe and their variants. By and large, Wikipedia uses œ and æ to represent the Anglo-Saxon ligature. '''For Latin or Greek-derived words, use e or ae/oe, depending on modern usage and the national variety of English used in the article.'''" (emphasis mine).  Thus, Caesar is more appropriate than Cæsar.  --[[User:Jayron32|<font style="color:#000099">Jayron</font>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<font style="color:#009900">32</font>]]''''' 06:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)



::Thanks. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 20:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== anonymous contributions ==

If I made a contribution anonymously - linked  to my static IP address - how can I edit, delete it or change it to be linked to my username  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Davidseed|Davidseed]] ([[User talk:Davidseed|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Davidseed|contribs]]) 08:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:EmailUser/TFOWR&action=view email me] I can [[WP:REVDEL|delete]] your IP address from the edit (let me know which edit it was). I don't believe the edit can be changed to point to your logged-in username. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 08:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::Edits cannot be [[WP:REAT|reattributed]] from IPs to usernames. This used to be possible, but is no longer. TFOWR is correct that an admin can remove your IP from the edit history, however. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 13:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Can I use HTML on my user page? ==

Okay, I want to use a Twitter widget on my user page that works using HTML. Can I use it, and if so, how do I use it? Thanks. I can provide a link to the widget if required, but it's basically just a small box with some of my recent Tweets with a link to my Twitter account. [[User:Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#0000FF">Chevy</span>]][[User talk:Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#FF0000">monte</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#008080">carlo</span>]] 09:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know if it's ''allowed'', but you ''can'' put it in a sandbox to see if it's technically possible, by clicking 'show preview'. '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:navy"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]''  [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]]  <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 09:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll give it a try. Other opinions are welcome....what I meant by 'allowed' is that is it encouraged or not. [[User:Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#0000FF">Chevy</span>]][[User talk:Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#FF0000">monte</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#008080">carlo</span>]] 09:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Uhm... I don't think it is- unless the widget is not copyrighted, which I doubt. But as I don't know what exactly you're talking about, I can't confirm. [[User talk:Sonia|<font color="#CC0099">sonia</font>]][[:simple:WP:EnWP|<font color="black">♫</font>]] 09:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It doesn't have to be 'not copyrighted', it just has to be a WP-compatible, like CC-BY-SA or something like that. '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:navy"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]''  [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]]  <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 10:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, Kayau's right there. An official Twitter widget is unlikely to be so, especially if it contains their logo etc. [[User talk:Sonia|<font color="#CC0099">sonia</font>]][[:simple:WP:EnWP|<font color="black">♫</font>]] 10:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::[http://twitter.com/goodies/widget_profile This] is the 'widget' I'm on about, if that helps... [[User:Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#0000FF">Chevy</span>]][[User talk:Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#FF0000">monte</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Chevymontecarlo|<span style="color:#008080">carlo</span>]] 11:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Seems not. --'''[[User:Extra999|Extra]]  [[User:Extra999|<font color="red">9</font><font color="blue">9</font><font color="green">9</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Extra999|Contact <sup>me</sup>]]  +  [[Special:Contributions/Extra999|<sub>contribs</sub>]]) 11:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

You can use HTML and CSS to customize your userpage, but you cannot place a Twitter widget on your page. Please see [[WP:UP#NOT]] for more info. --[[User:Sweet xx|<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="5" color="red">Sweet</font>  <font color="black">xx</font>]][[User talk:Sweet xx|<sup><font color="#FF007">Talk</font></sup>]] 15:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== How to I start a new Post/topic ==

How do I start a new post/topic----------something that I want the world to share and know  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Asim2000|Asim2000]] ([[User talk:Asim2000|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Asim2000|contribs]]) 13:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Do you mean an article? If so, you need to make sure the topic is [[WP:GNG|notable enough]] to warrant inclusion. You may also want to read our guide to writing [[WP:YFA|your first article]]. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 13:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:(ec)If it is a truly new idea, this isn't the forum. If the subject is notable, and you have [[WP:RS|reliable source]]s, then we have some useful advice:
:Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues. You could:
* '''Get someone else to do it'''—If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you can [[WP:RA|request that someone write an article on the subject]].
* '''Start by editing other articles'''—If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then you will be ready to write your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is [[WP:BL|the Wikipedia backlog]], where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.
* '''Go ahead and try'''—If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read [[WP:COI|our policy on conflicts of interest]], then read [[WP:FIRST|our guide to writing your first article]], which will repeat some of the good advice above. Then please use the [[Wikipedia:Article wizard 2.0|Article wizard]], which will help you through the steps. I urge you to accept the option to save your first draft in your [[Wikipedia:User page#How to create a user subpage|user subpage]], which will reduce the chance your work will be deleted before it is ready.
<!-- Template: New Editor Advice -->
--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#002868;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#ADD8E6;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">T</span>]]</font> 13:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Changing the title of a page. ==

So I was reading about [[Gordon Murray (puppeteer)|Gordon Murray]] and came across [[The_Legend_of_Goblins_(TV_series)|this page]] which was completely wrong and full of details about [[Trumpton]] and not the Goblin/Gublin legends. So I did a bit of research and rewrote the page and added a couple of links.... then realised I couldn't change the title of the page. It should read 'The Gublin Legends' and NOT 'Legends of the Goblins'. How can I change it or do I have to create a new page?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Popcorn II|Popcorn II]] ([[User talk:Popcorn II|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Popcorn II|contribs]]) 18:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Pages are renamed by [[Help:Moving a page|moving]] them to new target names. This procedure preserves the page's [[Help:Page history|edit history]]. Please do not rename a page by copying/pasting its content to a new page name. If you have an account that is at least four days old and have made more than 10 edits ([[WP:AUTOCONFIRM|autoconfirmed]]), you can move a page yourself, but please first review [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions]]. If you still wish to rename the page, go to it, click the drop-down menu at the top (near the ''History'' button and ''Watchlist'' star), and choose ''Move''. You can then specify a new name for the article. The old page name will automatically become a [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]] to the new page. However, if the desired target page name ''already exists'' and is other than a [[WP:REDIRECT|redirect]] with only one edit, you will need an [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]] to move the page for you, which can be requested at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. Hope this helps.{{z35}}<!-- Template:Renaming -->  --[[User:Mysdaao|Mysdaao]] <sup>[[User talk:Mysdaao|talk]]</sup> 18:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::You're right; the article seems to have been a confused and messy cut-and-paste of [[Trumpton]] and the title of the show was indeed ''The Gublin Legends''.  I have moved it for you.  Thanks for spotting the problem and fixing it.  [[User:Karenjc|<font color="red">Ka</font>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 19:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== External links ==

I posted an external link from the Sermon on the Mount page to a page with text on an image of these passages.
These images are free to anyone. The link has been removed citing spam. I checked out the other links and don"t understand
why my link is different. I sent a inqiury to The Ringess, but received no answer except to erase the link again citing "we are no farm link".
A free encylopedia links to free text and images. No. I will go to the other Wikis and see if they are any different.
[[User:Yogarama|Yogarama]] ([[User talk:Yogarama|talk]]) 18:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:As per the reply posted by [[User:TheRingess]] on their talk page, please read [[WP:EL]] for guidance about appropriate external links.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Box requesting citations at top of page ==

We have provided citations for everything relevant for our page, but can't see how to remove the box at the top.

I saw the archived answer "just remove it" but if I go into "edit the page" the box isn't there.

[[User:Violasusie|Violasusie]] ([[User talk:Violasusie|talk]]) 18:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:I assume you are referring to [[Dale Pollock]]? The box was generated by the {{tl|No footnotes}} template which I have now removed. Couple of points: be careful when you use terms like "we" and "our page" - the former implies that it may be a shared or "corporate" account which [[WP:NOSHARE|is not permitted]] and the latter may be taken by some to imply [[WP:OWN|ownership]] of articles. Once you have created an article, it can and will be edited by others.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Highlighting spelling errors ==

I like to correct the spellings of several different words and always before I could highlight them in each article so I didn't have to search word by word.

I just started using Windows 7 and can't seem to find that function now.

[[User:EoGuy|EoGuy]] ([[User talk:EoGuy|talk]]) 19:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps you can try hitting Ctrl+F? If this doesn't help, please go see [[WP:RD/C]]. &mdash;''[[User:La_Pianista|<font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista</font>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:La Pianista|♫ ]][[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|♪]]</sup> 22:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::You could use [[WP:AWB]] for this.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== [[Mark Lowenthal]] ==

I created a [[Mark Lowenthal]] redirect, [[User:Orlady|Orlady]] created a one-line stub out of it, and I added on to it. Who gets the credit for creating the article? [[User:Us441|Us441]]([[User Talk:Us441|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Us441|contribs]]) 19:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:No credit for origination or authorship here, I'm afraid - it's a collaboration like all the other articles on Wikipedia.  It can be quite interesting to keep a note of any article you start, but there aren't any [[brownie points]] available for getting there first.  [[User:Karenjc|<font color="red">Ka</font>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 20:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:{{ec}}On the article's history, it's you - but credit along those lines aren't given on Wikipedia. Philosophically, I suppose it could be Orlady (as the editor who actually put in some actual content), but from a historical/statistical point of view, it's the person who originally created the page (i.e. you), not the person who first created 'content'. -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 20:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:The "Articles created" link at the bottom of your contributions page shows the page. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== getting p.hd in water resources management ==

ISMAIL MUSTAFA LAZAM  a consulting civil engineer got b.sc in water resources from BAGHDAD-IRAQ 1978 besides, high intensive post graduated courses in federal yugoslavia, and 1st year courses in BAGHDAD  1996 consulting engineer , being a director general for establishment of dams in iIRAQ perfect experience totally is 32years,  , and i did many researches with structure , water resources, general construction , and dams constructions, so , thus you are kindly requested to accept me as a student or member to get P,HD  in water resources management accordingly. how to get that , and which way i have to go on? all my documents , certificates and researches are officially and approved. willin that i will have the answer for my request , pls,,,, thnkyou.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/91.142.51.243|91.142.51.243]] ([[User talk:91.142.51.243|talk]]) 20:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]], the free online encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]], and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to ''using'' the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|reference desk]], divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.{{z25}}<!-- Template:Astray -->&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== What can I do about anonymous users making improper changes? ==

re: The Frat Pack article
http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Frat_Pack&action=history

As you can see, an anonymous user keeps adding The Hangover (and other films) to the list of associated movies, even though this film does not meet the definition of the list (since none of the "Frat Pack" stars appear in the movie).

Can this page be restricted to logged in users?  It is getting very tiresome to keep undoing this guy's edits.[[User:Kevdo|Kevin Crossman]] ([[User talk:Kevdo|talk]]) 23:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:User-warnings can be effective. I use [[Wikipedia:Twinkle|Twinkle]]; it's a handy tool. (Insert: I see no user warnings have been given yet). [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 23:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I've checked the edit history and given a first friendly warning. I don't particularly want the page on my watchlist; if you upload [[Wikipedia:Twinkle|Twinkle]] or [[Wikipedia:Huggle|Huggle]], you can deal with unhelpful edits very quickly. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 23:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::You have to warn the other user to not vandalize articles. An easy way to do this is by placing a user warning template to their page. Click on the link for templates >>>[[WP:WARN]]. Here's what you have to do: copy the template, add your signature, and click "save". --[[User:Sweet xx|<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="5" color="red">Sweet</font>  <font color="black">xx</font>]][[User talk:Sweet xx|<sup><font color="#FF007">Talk</font></sup>]] 16:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Phantoms in my watched list ==

I can't get rid of a red item in my watched list. Checking it off to remove doesn't work. [[User:Williamb|Williamb]] ([[User talk:Williamb|talk]]) 23:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 78#Persistent page on watchlist]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== re: Linda Christas College ==
Hi,

My name is Dr. Lara DeSoleil. I am chair of the Physics Department with Linda Christas College.

My primary field of research involves the relationship between Planck's Constant, light frequency and electron charge.

For several years, Wikipedia seems to have missed the point that all of our 5200 faculty and students at Linda Christas College run information through the same IP. The schools use a central IP as the only way we can identify ourselves as an coordinated institution.

I don't know how many times Wikipedia editors have "discovered" that submissions from LC come from the same IP and have misinterpreted that information. 

My understanding is that on several occasions, faculty or students have attempted to list LC with Wikipedia, only to be met with a certain level of contempt.

Awards for excellence that the College has won in China have been deleted by Wikipedia editors as well, again, saying things like, "What do they think, we (referring to themselves) are stupid?" WEEEELLLLL!

Even today, in checking, the only reference I can find to the College is a negative one by one editor.

In other words, the performance of Wikipedia with reference to both Linda Christas College and LC Academy has been less than stellar. 

Perhaps a student or someone else at one time or another has  placed material on Wikipedia that was in error. I don't know the history.

But, whatever it is, the attempts to get even a sentence about the schools on Wikipedia have been frustrated by more editors than we can count.

This is all to say, if at any time in the next millenium or so Wikipedia is ready to list Linda Christas as the online educational force it is, please let me know. 

I thought about writing such an article, but I was assured by our Dean that, no sooner would I put the information up on Wikipedia, that some editor would delete it. Seems like there are hundreds of folks working with Wikipedia with fingers on delete keys just waiting to exercise power.

If that is NOT correct, please let me know.

However, I really don't want to do the work just to be beaten up by editors who are uninformed regarding online education or who use Wikipedia as a source of personal self worth.

Dr. Lara DeSoleil
Physics Department
Linda Christas College [[User:Laradesoleil|Laradesoleil]] ([[User talk:Laradesoleil|talk]]) 23:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

*:If the college is [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]] according to third party sources (thus not simply according to its own prospectus or other self-published material), there is no reason it should not have an article. Wikipedia articles aim for objective balance; articles about organisations are not usually written by members or affiliates of the same. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 00:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:You should encourage your students to create their own accounts, there are many [[WP:BENEFITS|benefits]]. They should also read [[WP:RS]] for guidance on reliable sources and [[WP:COI]] for guidance on editing with a conflict of interest.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 01:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:I suggest you read the debates at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linda christas]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linda Christas International School]] as well, to understand better why we have no Linda Christas article here. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 01:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::Wikipedia's notability guidelines for an organisation like Linda Christas College are at [[WP:ORG]]. Company articles are deleted from Wikipedia all the time because they don't meet the inclusion criteria.  This usually happens to articles about companies that (a) fail to satisfy [[WP:ORG]], and/or (b) are promotional, not descriptive, in nature. As yet, nobody has supplied an article about the Linda Christas organisation which has not fallen foul of either (a), or (b), or both.  As Orange Mike's links show, the usual response to this is an orchestrated deluge of complaints from people connected with the organisation, praising it and accusing Wikipedia of joining a conspiracy to suppress coverage of it.  This misses the point and (fairly or unfairly) arouses suspicion about the motives of the writers and the organisation.  [[WP:OR|Personal anecdotes]] aren't acceptable source material on Wikipedia, which does [[WP:NOT|not]] exist to enhance the credibility or public profile of any company or organisation.  If LCC is an "online educational force" and has won meaningful accolades for its operations, this will doubtless have been picked up and reported by [[WP:RS|credible independent media sources]] and may be the subject of academic study.  All you need to do is find such citations, use them to support a neutral, factual article about LCC that satisfies the inclusion criteria, submit it and it will stick. Do bear [[WP:LUC|this point]] in mind, though.  Once an article is on Wikipedia, every part of it can and will be edited by other users.  Neither the original contributor nor LCC will have any special control over it, or any right to have it deleted if it evolves into a very different article from the original version.  [[User:Karenjc|<font color="red">Ka</font>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 10:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I see the user in question is now [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Christas_College_prefix:Wikipedia:Deletion_review soap-boxing in article space], moreover when I google this organisation, the first thing I find on their site is a story about how they have hired someone who is going to attempt to get them more highly placed on the web. As far as I can determine, we have no reliable sources to build an article on, the organisation is not notable in any way and thus no article can exist. --[[User:Cameron Scott|Cameron Scott]] ([[User talk:Cameron Scott|talk]]) 11:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:With regard to the Linda Christas saga, one should probably read [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Student-First Accreditation]] and follow the links therein to get a good picture. I particularly liked [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=85821986 this message] from one of their (former) "board members". [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 12:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::Deleted and salted. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 12:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I've been looking into this, and it seems that as well as a Lara desoleil, the organisation also seems to employ a Sarah Desoleil and a Julie Desoleil - what an ''amazing'' coincidence. I've tried to get vefication of the existance of these individuals but none seems to be out there, it's like they don't exist! --[[User:Cameron Scott|Cameron Scott]] ([[User talk:Cameron Scott|talk]]) 13:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

= August 21 =

==User's stats==
Did there used to be a menu of user stats at the bottom of the user's page or talk or was it in a dream? [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] ([[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]]) 00:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:You may well have dreamed about it, but it's quite tangible. Try the bottom of your user ''contributions'' page. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 00:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:: *<small>Slaps forehead.</small>*   Still feel small even after /smalling - thanks for the awakening ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] ([[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]]) 00:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::::<small>Enjoy the wakefulness... as dreams go, that one sounded, um, a little dull!</small> [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 00:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::<small> Don't rub it in, I know it seems [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jy6n8GF85Q crazy] but it was combined with a bit of [[WP:EUI|friday night forgetfulness]]. Thanks again for guiding me through my unreality. BTW, why are we doing <nowiki><small></nowiki>?  [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] ([[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]]) 01:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC) </small>

== Can not log in ==

I have an [[User:Swarm|account]], but I'm receiving an error message whenever I try to log in: "'''Login error'''
There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again." I've done as it says, but the error keeps coming up. Any idea as to what this problem is, and/or, should I report this elsewhere? I'm bringing it up I have no idea where else to ask this. [[Special:Contributions/71.200.226.96|71.200.226.96]] ([[User talk:71.200.226.96|talk]]) 05:49, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
*Nevermind, it's working now. [[Special:Contributions/71.200.226.96|71.200.226.96]] ([[User talk:71.200.226.96|talk]]) 05:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== How to add another disambiguation or contact the admin to add it? ==

Hi,

I browsed to Fakebook just to see if such variation exists. I found one but got doubts if I installed any malware by visiting that page. So I searched Wikipedia for "FakeBook". It only has two entries and neither of them refer to the website. I am wondering if someone (or me) can research the site to see if it carries a malicious payload (as it is variation of Facebook) and write a little about it. I also want the Disambiguation page to list the website so users can be aware of that site - that will make the information complete. But I don't know how to go about it? How do I get to add it the disambiguation page and if I am authorized to do so. Also, if I can create a page of the said website after checking on the website to see if it is malicious.

Please clear the doubts above.

Thanks

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DreamsCentral
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:Before you add an entry to the disambiguation page an article should be created.  Before you create the article you should make sure the subject is [[WP:WEB|notable]].  Notable for Wikipedia generally means that the subject of the article has been written about in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].  If this has happened please do start an article on it.  I would suggest you also read [[WP:FIRST]], it gives an overview of writing your first article.  Please ask if you still have questions.  '''[[User:GB fan|<span style='color: #ffac2c;background-color: #00422f;'>~~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan&nbsp;~~</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:GB fan|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 10:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== how do I make an entry about myself? ==

[[User:Julietteangelique|Julietteangelique]] ([[User talk:Julietteangelique|talk]]) 11:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)I can find no clear guidance on the most obvious question: how do I contruct a biographical page, giving, for example my title, academic qualifications and publications?
[[User:Julietteangelique|Julietteangelique]] ([[User talk:Julietteangelique|talk]]) 11:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:The question you need to answer first is do you meet Wikipedia's notability guidlines.  There are two you should look at, [[WP:Notability]] and [[WP:BIO]].  THe first one is the general notability and the second is the biographical specific guideline.  You don't have to meet both just one.  Next you should read our [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] policy.  You obviously have a conflict of interest in this situation.  Then if if you think you meet the notability guidelines and you can write a neutral article about yourself, then you should read about writing your [[WP:FIRST|first article]].  Hope this helps and if you have any questions just ask.  '''[[User:GB fan|<span style='color: #ffac2c;background-color: #00422f;'>~~&nbsp;GB</span>]][[User talk:GB fan|<span style='color: #ffac2c;background-color: #00422f;'>&nbsp;fan&nbsp;~~</span>]]''' 11:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::There is another page which you should also read about [[WP:AUTOBIO|writing autobiographies]]. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 13:25, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded a file ==

I've uploaded [[:File:NYC UN Gift of Italy.jpg|this file]].  I'm just pointing it out here so that anyone can put it up for deletion and keep you from having to look for it.  Thanks, I look forward to the pain in the ass of justifying keeping it here, <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:It looks good to me - not only the picture (which looks very nice), but the tags all seem correct as well. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 13:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== help needed help in font size ==

I accidentally pushed something on the keyboard while browsing to another page and then when I got back from the wikipedia page, the font size have been changed. I'm trying to change it back to normal size but apparently have not been successful.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/112.200.66.22|112.200.66.22]] ([[User talk:112.200.66.22|talk]]) 16:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Have you tried pressing Ctrl and 0 at the same time? <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 16:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::yup tried pressing them both... still no changes  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/112.200.66.22|112.200.66.22]] ([[User talk:112.200.66.22|talk]]) 16:50, 21 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
It's ctrl and zero not oh. Also use ctrl and + or -. Also use zoom in view.--[[Special:Contributions/141.155.148.156|141.155.148.156]] ([[User talk:141.155.148.156|talk]]) 22:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Is there any way to create a category without putting in nonesense or something, just to get it started? <b><font color="red">[[User:Mr. Prez|MR.]]</font></b> <b><font color="green">[[User talk:Mr. Prez|Pre]]</font></b><b><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Mr. Prez|Z]]</font></b> 18:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:If at the bottom of an article, you type <code><nowiki>[[Category:Name-of-category]]</nowiki></code> the category will be created. When you have saved the page, and look at the categories, it will be red-linked, but if you click on the category then a list of all the pages in that category will be shown. [[WP:CAT|This]] may be a useful guide, especially [[Wikipedia:CAT#Content_of_category_pages|"Content of category pages"]] -- '''''[[User:Phantomsteve|<font color="#307D7E">Phantom</font><font color="#55CAFA">Steve</font>]]'''''/[[User talk:Phantomsteve|<font color="#008000">talk</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<font color="#000080">contribs</font>]]\ 20:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Authority to Semi-Protect Articles ==

According to [[WP:PROTECT]], "Administrators are able to protect a page ..." However, in the [[Hugh Jackman]] article, on January 26, 2010, [[User:Jéské Couriano]] added indefinite semi-protection to the article. However, according to [[special:ListUsers]], Couriano is not an admin. Is it that only admins are ''supposed'' to add protection but others can (improperly) do so? To be clear, I'm not saying that the Jackman article didn't merit semi-protection as there was a fair amount of reversion history preceding the protection (although I'm not sure that indefinite semi-protection was warranted), I'm just questioning how the policy is intended to work and whether the editor had the authority to add the protection. As an aside, Couriano didn't specify a reason for the protection, which also doesn't conform to policy.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 21:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:Jéské used to be an admin, but is no longer. The protection you mention was placed before he resigned his adminship. If you'd like, you could discuss the issue with him on his talk page, but I would read the notes he has placed on the top of the page first. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 21:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for the history. Is there a way to find out whether someone ''was'' an administrator and from when to when? I don't think I'll bring up the issue on his Talk page as my question was more about how things work than the merits of what he did. Honestly, it doesn't bother me all that much to have BLP articles semi-protected. As to the notes on his Talk page, wow!--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 21:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Generally, once someone is an admin, they remain so as long as they are active on Wikipedia. The easiest way I know to discover whether someone ''used'' to be admin is to see if [[WP:Requests for adminship/Example User]] (replacing Example User with the relevant name) is a redlink or a bluelink. If there is a successful request there, they were at one point an admin. The only one that comes to mind, although I'm sure there are more, is [[WP:Requests for adminship/Archtransit]] (was an admin and is not any longer). As for Jéské, it was a shame to see him resign the tools - he was a good admin. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 21:59, 21 August 2010 (UTC)