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== Images ==

A note on images: the [[JPEG]] format, which you’ve been using a lot, is not very well suited for line graphics. In mathematical terms, JPEG encodes local gradients in matrices, which is a good method in some cases (e.&nbsp;g. for photographs) but fails in general. See also [[Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload]] for more information on this. I’ll try to convert some of your images to the [[Scalable Vector Graphics|SVG]] format (which encodes geometrical shapes and has a number of significant advantages over raster formats like JPEG), but two are problematic:
*For [[:Image:BicycleEigenvalues.jpg]], it would be easier to make the plot in SVG. If you made the plot in Matlab, try using [http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/loadFile.do?objectId=7401&objectType=FILE this script] to export to SVG.
: - Hmmm. I can't get it to create an image that I can view. My browser doesn't need a plug-in to render SVG, does it? [[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 15:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
::It depends. Most browsers do not have built-in support for SVG, the notable exceptions being [http://www.mozilla.com/ Firefox], version 1.5 or newer, Opera, beginning with version 8, Safari, and, to some extent, recent versions of [http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ Amaya]. If you are using Internet Exploder and can’t get Firefox, you can try [http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/ Adobe’s SVG plugin]. However, the best way to check whether an image will display well on Wikipedia is to use the same tool which is used here: [http://librsvg.sf.net/ librsvg], which includes a viewer for SVG files, <code>rsvg-view</code>, which shows almost exactly what an image will look like after upload. Recent Linux distributions should offer packages for librsvg and similar options are probably available for other popular Unix clones (e. g. MacOS X and the *BSDs), but I am unaware of a Windows port of the viewer (although the a port of the library itself is available). The second best way, [[wikt:imho|imho]], is to use Firefox. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 16:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
:::…Neat! The dimensions were set a bit too low (the text is hard to read below 150% magnification), but since SVG is a vector format, zooming the image does not incur any loss of quality. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 12:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
: - Finally got it to work with Adobe’s SVG plugin. I think [http://librsvg.sf.net/ librsvg] is a site that only a developer would love. So now the problem is that I don't appear to be able to scale the image. I created it to be the same size as the JPG image, on my machine at home. Now, here at the cafe, it is too small. Is that correct? Images in SVG format do not scale? That's not too handy. [[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 13:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
::SVG images ''do'' scale, somewhat better than raster images. (For the former, all you have to do is an almost lossless coordinate transform; for the latter, you have to recompute the values of all pixels, and after that, there’s always a visible impact on quality.) I don’t know why the size is wrong. From skimming the script, I’d say that the output should have the size you set for the plot in Matlab. However, you could easily scale the image with [http://www.inkscape.org/ Inkscape]. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 13:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
*For [[:Image:BikeModel.jpg]], I’m not really sure what to do. If you can get the image like that in Matlab, the same method as before might work. Otherwise, try exporting it to [[PNG]] (a lossless raster graphics format that is somewhat better than JPEG for this kind of image).
: - It is written as VRML from MATLAB and rendered by a plug-in: Cosmo Player. [[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 13:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
In general, neither Word nor Paint are good tools for image creation or editing. 
: - They work fine for me. Since Wikipedia serves up raster images anyway, I don't really see the benefit of uploading vector images, especially if it means I then cannot scale them as necessary. [[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 13:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
::The benefit of vector images is that you can scale them as necessary, without loss of quality. ;) Another benefit is that if somebody needs to edit a Wikipedia image, that can be done with relative ease if the image is in a vector format, but not so easily if it’s a raster image. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 13:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
For vector graphics, try [[Inkscape]]. For other things, try [[GIMP]]. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 14:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot about [[:Image:BikeModel.jpg]] earlier. I can try to make a screenshot of the VRML file in PNG format if you send me the VRML file (e. g. compressed and by e-mail). I would then send the screenshot to you so you could upload it.

:-Sure, you can follow the links on my page to find my e-mail address. I don't see yours on your page. Once you create the PGN image, you could certainly upload it yourself. There's probably some rule against uploading the VRML to Wikipedia, right? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 03:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::There’s an ‘e-mail mail this user’ link in the ‘toolbox’ to the left (if you use the default skin). It’s not as comfortable as just putting the address somewhere, but I’m already getting enough spam. I think you can also just upload the VRML file—as long as the licence is right. That’s fine and we could link to it from the article, although VRML on Wikipedia is quite rare. The only example I have found so far is [[:Image:Tetrakis_hexahedron.wrl]]. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 14:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll work on getting you a file. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 14:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

(By the way, you have checked with your employer regarding uploading all those images to Wikipedia, haven’t you?) —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 00:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:-Ha ha. Which employer would that be? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 03:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::Cornell University, I assume from [http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/aed29/ your website]. Did you create those images as part of your work for Cornell? —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 14:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::-Interesting question. I've been on a leave of absense for two years and have continued to work on my thesis. So, I'm not there and they are not paying me. In any case, I paid for my copy of MATLAB myself, the JBike6 application is freely downloadable, and its end user license agreement mentions only copies, not its output. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 14:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I guess it’s OK, then. (For future reference, see the last section of [[s:GPL]] for useful information.) —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 15:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics ==

I’ve tried to change the citations a bit, away from the style of the articles you named in the todo list. The problem with it is that it’s difficult to follow while reading the article—it’s hard to tell whether a given citation refers to a newspaper article or a published paper. Also, with the other style, there is no need to maintain a second list of the same sources in the references section.

In the process, I omitted some sources because I did not think they are really usable. Since the article is about physics, it’s probably a good idea to stick to published scientific works for all important points. On this topic, could you please check whether Hand’s thesis has been published anywhere?

Regarding citation templates in general, please remember always to select the right one for a purpose (e.&nbsp;g. {{tl|cite web}} for websites, but {{tl|cite journal}} for (published) papers, even if there is an electronic version available) and read the documentation for the templates (on the template pages or their talk pages) to know the parameters.

As for the misconceptions, I don’t think the section should remain in that form at all. If there is a different point of view on the issue, it should be explained properly in the article—even if it’s technically wrong. —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 17:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi, thanks for your message. This seems to be quite a complex subject, I’m afraid I’m not really qualified to add anything to the article. Compared to this, bottom brackets are a lot easier to understand! [[User:LDHan|LDHan]] 22:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

== Bicycle/motorcycle physics ==

You are one serious bicycle/motorcycle physics dweeb!  I fell in love with the concept of countersteering when I first encountered it in the [[Motorcycle Safety Foundation]] course.  [[User:Spalding|Spalding]] 16:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC) (Copied from his [[User_talk:Spalding|talk]] page)

== Countersteering (Duplicate of [[Talk:Countersteering]]) ==

That the lean angle is very small or that the handlebars are turned far in the direction of the desired turn does not mean that the momentary countersteering necessary to initiate that lean can be skipped. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:I'm a farily experienced (motor)bike rider, and at very low speed, say walking pace, you do '''not''' countersteer (or at least it's optional), even to lean. [[User:Dave|Dave]] 04:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

::How then do you create the necessary lean? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 03:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:::At the lowest speeds, you don't lean. [[User:Dave|Dave]] 17:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Then how does one counter the [[Centrifugal force]]? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 19:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::I don't see why it needs countering - tyre sidewalls should surely take it, as far as I know there's no reason why resultant force on the bike need be vertical (with respect to the bike). [[User:Dave|Dave]]

::::::The reason the resultant force (sum of all forces) needs to be vertical with respect to the the bike (exactly coincident with the plane defined by the two wheel contact points and the combined center of mass of the bike and rider) is to keep the bike from falling over. I don't know what you mean by "tyre sidewalls should surely take it." -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 22:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::: On reflection, as counter intuitive as it seems you must be right, as I can't see any other way there wouldn't be a resultant moment around the centre of mass. [[User:Dave|Dave]] 13:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== Reply to your inquiry regarding torque reaction in [[Talk:V-twin]] ==

I posted a reply to your inquiry.  If you'd like to discuss, I'll check back there but I'm only on once or twice a week or so, so don't expect any heated discussions.  ;)  [[User:Unfocused|<FONT COLOR="#66CCFF">Un</FONT>]][[User talk:Unfocused|<FONT COLOR="#0000CC">focused</FONT>]] 03:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

:Excellent, thanks. In fact, I pasted your entire 3rd paragraph into the article. I hope you don't mind. I actually have a Guzzi, and while I can notice when stopped at a light, it hasn't been a factor for me while riding. Perhaps I'm too casual. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 19:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Re: [[User_talk:Gregarious_Lonewolf|Gregarious Lonewolf]]'s talk page ==

You wrote in the edit summary: ''(Fix typo: Those -> Though (hope you don't mind))''

Thank you! No, I didn't mind it at all. :) [[User:Gregarious Lonewolf|Gregarious Lonewolf]] 20:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "a thread pitch unique to bike pedals." ==

Andrew: My error, unintended, was perhaps one of wording clarity, not technical accuracy. It is the "size & thread pitch" combination which is unique to bike pedals, see http://www.sizes.com/tools/thread_american.htm , as one of many examples, inc;luding your one Sears marketed tap & die set.

The SAE standard fine thread pitch for bolt size 9/16" is 18 TPI, not 20 TPI. No major bolt/nut, tap/die, or thread repair device manufacturer (including any custom product manufacturer I could find) in the U.S. or abroad, offers any products in a 9/16" x 20 TPI combination, even in only a RH tread. After a rather extensive Google search (broadband connection), Park (previously unknown to me) was the only manufacturer I could find which offered any 9/16" x 20 TPI taps, RH & LH threads (which I ordered from the lowest cost net retailer I could find); they do not offer dies in this size.

TPI is an individual characteristic; the reason TPI gauges are routinely supplied in better quality tap and die sets. As with all fastening systems, it is combinations of characteristics which come to be recognized as standards, not individual characteristics. My comment about the "9/16 in. x 20 TPI" combination being quite unique to bicycle pedals is factually correct, an apparent historical but accepted event in the history of bicycle part manufacturers, assemblers and retailers. "9/16 in. x 20 TPI" is neither a United States (SAE: Society of Automotive Engineers, sae.org usually the dominant authority) or a metric standard. Given current practice to manufacture bicycle cranks from aluminum, the 20 TPI standard, as opposed to the national course "9/16 in. x 12 TPI" standard, which provides a much deeper thread, renders bicycle pedal bolts more prone to stripping out the finer/shallower 20 TPI treads within bicycle cranks. It is also the reason many local bicycle shops either carry specialized repair kits for bicycle cranks (generally rated as of poor reliability by many in the bicycle business) and/or sell crank replacements.

The above issues are part of the reason I ended up doing a search on the "9/16 in. x 20 TPI" engineering odyssey. Having extensive mechanical engineering experience and some small scale manufacturing capability, I elected to purchase the Park taps and will manufacture my own steel inserts from center-drilled grade 8 bolts and in-turn drill, tap and epoxy these custome inserts into cranks needing repair. This should end up more reliable than most currently available cranks, in terms of pedal thread toughness.

As such, and for the benefit of others, I would suggest that you correct, rather than delete the comment about "9/16 in. x 20 TPI" being unique to bicycle pedals.
Thank you. [[User:MAlvis|MA]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:MAlvis|<small>T@lk</small>]] 14:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that you will find that 20 TPI is an old BS Cycle Thread Coarse measurement. I'm well experience in "odd" threads as a Norton and Soviet bike owner. I believe that Bicycle Tap and Die sets are still manufactured in Russia and other parts of the FSU and you should be able to find those dies. [[User:M-72|M-72]] 07:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

== [[bicycle]] and [[bicycle gearing]] ==

You've done a great job on moving stuff between these articles. [[User:Murray Langton|Murray Langton]] 08:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Motorcycle Forks ==

You are welcome for the photographs!  I am glad you find them useful. -[[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]] 23:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

:I don't know who the mysterious M-72 is, but I appreciated and learned form his additions to your motorcycle forks page. He should make himself known! -[[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]]  15:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

::I know what you mean. Isn't it fascinating what information comes out of the woodwork? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 15:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

== Coaxial steering front suspension ==

But ... what does it LOOK like?? :) -[[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]] 18:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

:Hard to tell exactly. Plus, any image I can find certainly is copyrighted. Anyway, you can find some pictures here [http://www.motoczysz.com/main.php?area=bike] that do not reveal much. Good luck. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 21:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

== Motorcycling Wikiproject ==

Welcome to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling|Motorcycling WikiProject]]. Hopefully you have a good time, start many new articles and can contribute lots to the existing ones as we need that. Cheers [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 03:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


You've been doing some good work on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling|Motorcycling WikiProject]], IMO.  Just wanted to say "Thanks!" --[[User:Pi3832|Pi3832]] 12:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Mountain Biking on Mount Tamalpais]]==

Hello, An article that I created as a part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cycling|Wikiproject Cycling]] called [[Mountain Biking on Mount Tamalpais]] and linked to the [[Mount Tamalpais]] article, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mountain Biking on Mount Tamalpais]]. Thank you, Bob in Las Vegas - [[User:uriel8|<span style="text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: #000080; border: 1px solid;">&nbsp;uriel8&nbsp;</span>]] <small>[[User_talk:uriel8|<span style="color: #3399FF; text-decoration: underline;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 11:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

== Talk Page Etiquette and a Request ==

Hey there, I figured you already knew this but I thought I'd give you a quick reminder. Regarding your edit here [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMountain_bike&diff=109829773&oldid=109758734 diff] to the talk page at [[Mountain Bike]]. While moving the discussion was beneficial, generally correcting typo's and spelling mistakes of another user's post, even unsigned-in users, is frowned upon. People tend to view it as an insult. That said, i'd appreciate your help citing some sources at [[Cross-country cycling]] which is undersouced. [[User:Goodnightmush|Goodnightmush]] 16:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Bicycle ==

Hello Andrew, I have taken a look at the most recent references you added to the article bicycle. The are excellent references for much of the material. Unfortunatelly, I coudn't find, out of the 3 links, anything that mentions "carbon fiber" is the most popular non-metalic frame. Of course it is an "increasingly popular frame material"[http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html]. I will change the word "primary" to "popular." Perhaps, you could also place your references at various appropriate locations throughout the paragraph since having them all at the begining doesn't seem as relevant. Thank you! --[[User:CyclePat|CyclePat]] 17:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

:In response to your message on my user page. Please take note that there is strict policy regarding inclusion of material. [[Wikipedia:Attribution#Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources|Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources]]. Instead of trying to find counter exemples to this rule you may wish to try improve the sections of the article which you highlighted as lacking proper [[WP:CITE|citations]]. --[[User:CyclePat|CyclePat]] 06:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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==Swords==

Crossing swords with [[Anonymity|M-72]], eh?  I have given up on that. May the force be with you. Good luck!  [[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]] 14:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:Just trying to go about my day and make a positive contribution if I can. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 16:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Handlebar help ==

Perhaps you can help me out. Not with M-72, but with getting the facts straight about motorcycle handlebars. I got into it because I've been working on the [[handlebar]] article which I believe the [[motorcycle]] article links to. I thought it would be simple to say that motorcycle handlebars attach to [[motorcycle fork]]s, but perhaps not (see the unsuing [[Talk:Motorcycle_fork#Of_handlebars_and_forks|discussion]]). I'll appreciate any input you can provide. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 22:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:Don't know how helpful I can be.  I put together this PDF to sort out what feeble thoughts I have &mdash; [http://jeff.dean.home.att.net/Triple-clamps.pdf http://jeff.dean.home.att.net/Triple-clamps.pdf]

:Clearly, the foot bone is connected to the knee bone ... etc.  The handlebars are mounted to the triple clamp that, in turn, holds the top of the fork tubes.  

:In the case of the R1150RT, the handlebars actually are in two parts, and without the triple clamp they would fall apart. Both the RT and the GS are Telelever bikes, and both have triple clamps.

:So the triple clamp appears to be the nexus that holds the whole front end together. The fork tubes are connected to the triple clamp, the triple clamp is connected to the head, the triple clamp carries the handlebar risers, the risers hold the bars (except here for the RT).  You can almost sing it!

:So the handlebars attach to the triple clamp (perhaps through risers, perhaps not) that, in turn, connects to the fork tubes.

:Is that useful to you?  [[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]] 00:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, it is. Thanks. Hope my additions stick this time. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 04:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I put the R50/2 photo on Wikipedia and inserted it in [[Motorcycle fork]]. If you want other photos uploaded, let me know. [[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]] 04:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I see the Brewers lost one :(  •  By the way, might John Erdmann at BMW Motorcycles of Milwaukee be your dealer?  [[User:Jeff dean|Jeff dean]] 15:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Nope. Bought the bike back east. Haven't been to a dealer out here yes. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] 04:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics ==

I really like where the page is right now. I've seen it before where people had emphasized gyroscopic effect as ''the'' reason bikes are stable. The intro, "Experimentation and mathematical analysis have shown that a bike stays upright when it is steered to keep its center of mass over its wheels" is perfect, and the statement "the role of the gyroscopic effect in most bike designs is to help steer the front wheel into the direction of a lean" is a better explanation of gyroscopic effect. I'll likely restore my comparison to pogo sticks and ice-skating on one leg (which somebody removed) because they seem like perfect analogs to bike riding, yet there clearly is no gyroscopic effect. Your thoughts? [[User:Gekritzl|Gekritzl]]

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==Bicycle brake systems==

Yeah I agree, there really wasn't much point in those edits, just mostly minor rewording. I just corrected a couple of errors, but the section on sidepull and centrepull brakes are not very well written and could do with some improvements. What's really need is a pic of a centrepull brake, but unfortunately none of my bikes have them. [[User:LDHan|LDHan]] 21:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics again ==

Hi. Was just going through assessments for cycling articles when I came across this article. I think it's really good - but I'm no expert :). I was thinking of nominating for Good Article status as a stepping stone to FA. Do you have the time to be able to help if and when improvements are suggested? My knowledge of this subject is limited to the article! I think this could be the first recognized cycling Featured Article in a fairly short time. [[User:Severo|Severo]]<sup>''[[User talk:Severo|T]][[Special:Contributions/Severo|C]]''</sup> 22:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nice one! I thought it would need the formal procedure again and was going to copyedit tomorrow (when I have some time to do so!) and re-nom, but nevertheless, great work, thanks! [[User:Severo|Severo]]<sup>''[[User talk:Severo|T]][[Special:Contributions/Severo|C]]''</sup> 20:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== Recent change to [[Bottom bracket]] article ==
Sorry, my mistake, I thought I was removing "THERE ARE IN 68 ,70, 73 mm.". I opened the edit page to make the change and by the time I saved it you had already done it, it's now fixed. [[User:LDHan|LDHan]] 19:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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== handlebar &rarr; bicycle handlebar ==

Hello, AndrewDressel. It appears that you copied and pasted [[handlebar]] to [[bicycle handlebar]]. Please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the [[Help:Moving a page|move link]] at the top of the page, follow the instructions at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen]]. Thank you, [[User:Christopherlin|Christopherlin]] 03:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC) (Cool, there's a template for this!)

== Cranks vs crank arms ==
Yeah I know "crank arm/crankarm" is commonly used by cyclists and the cycle industry, but "crank" is not a short name and is the correct technical term, Jobst Brandt has written about this. Perhaps one or two sentences could be added to explain this. [[User:LDHan|LDHan]] 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

http://yarchive.net/bike/jargon.html
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_thread/thread/1d36f3bec8c44c94/85e2a50c4d09c205?q=Straightening+a+bent+Dura+Ace+crank+arm&lnk=ol&hl=en&#
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_thread/thread/c277f1a7ba1e62a3/61bbce25c1e72b19?lnk=st&q=help+bicycle+terminology&rnum=5&hl=en#61bbce25c1e72b19
I'm not too bothered whether if "crank" or "crankarm" is used in the article. [[User:LDHan|LDHan]] 13:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Sociable ==

I have just created a new article on the [[Sociable]]. Would you like to contribute? [[User:Jason7825|Jason7825]] 22:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Wheelbase ==

Hi, Andrew. I've added a question on [[Talk:Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics]]. You seem to be an authority on the subject. Regards, [[User:LarRan|LarRan]] 14:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Merger proposed: Twinshock → Suspension (motorcycle) ==

It has been proposed to merge the content of [[Twinshock]] into [[Suspension (motorcycle)]]. Since you have previously edited one of these articles, I thought you might be interested. You're welcome to [[Talk:Suspension (motorcycle)#Merger proposed (Twinshock)|participate in the discussion]] if you like. --[[User:B. Wolterding|B. Wolterding]] 15:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== Freewheeling Crankset Article ==

I certainly thought that the article made it clear that it was indeed a solutions in search of a problem. The system had several bugs including weight and safety, and in any case, was poorly implemented as well. As far as industry authority, I remember Sheldon Brown calling the system impractical, but he may or may not be considered "industry". I try to contribute where I can, but I often wonder why. [[User:Linns|Linns]] 02:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I understand that the article is a stub – but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be factually accurate, right? At any rate, Sheldon Brown refers to the FFS in his glossary (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_e-f.html#ffs) as "a solution in search of a problem". Shall I add him as a source, or do you wish to? [[User:Linns|Linns]] 02:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

== Steering Discussion ==

Hi Andrew, I feel our recent discussion on the Talk:Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics page is getting a little lengthy and I have decided not to add any more on that thread for a while.

Thank you for your responses.  They have given me new angles for which to prepare research and have convinced me that other mechanics besides countersteering are available and used in different situations of steering a bike.  Yes, yes, I must provide reference.  I'll do my best.

P.S. Regarding human and other mammalian body mechanics, explore how it is described by the Alexander Technique.  Beware of some of the practitioners/websites, though, they may make it seem like some sort of magic. It is based in part on inhibiting the startle reflex and that "the head leads the body into action" and has been scientifically proven as a discovery and not an invention. I have lost the reference, much professional apologies. 

-Until later, [[User:Earth to McFly|Earth to McFly]] ([[User talk:Earth to McFly|talk]]) 17:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I posted a short response on my talk page – to your post on my talk page. [[User:Earth to McFly|Earth to McFly]] ([[User talk:Earth to McFly|talk]]) 16:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==Changes to Bicycle & Bicycle Performance==
I don't quite understand what the problem was. Drag is quadratic in speed, so it increases linearly with speed. Power is cubic in the speed, so it would increase quadratically. The source says that the drag is <math> \rho A V^2  </math>, so when one speaks of the drag's increase with speed, not the drag itself, why  is it not the derivative of that expression, i.e. the drag increases linearly with speed? [[User:Besselfunctions|Besselfunctions]] ([[User talk:Besselfunctions|talk]]) 20:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

:Ah, now I see. It appears to be just an issue of semantics, not mathematics. You are interpreting "is quadratic in" to be equivalent to "increases linearly with". However, the cited source, in discussing air drag explains that "the force exerted by the drag is seen to increase as the square of the velocity." The author does not use the derivative of the derived expression to describe how a change in velocity translates into a change in drag. Instead, he uses the original, quadratic relationship. For example: doubling speed results in a four fold increase in drag, even though the derivative of the drag with respect to velocity is proportional to the velocity and not its square. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 20:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Chicken strips ==

OK doke. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 17:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

== Bicycle and Motorcycle Dynamics ==

Yeah, no worries.  I know how hard to swallow a delist can be, and how long articles can sit once nominated. Some editors doing sweeps put articles "on hold" for a week to see if improvements happen—I've found that rare enough that it's easier to delist and relist if necessary.  Thanks again for you prompt, hard work after my comments! --[[User:Jwanders|jwanders]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jwanders|Talk]]</sup> 20:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

==You're Welcome==

I fix typos wherever I can, glad you appreciate it. My time at RPI has been a great few years. Thanks for the note on my links, all better. It's incredible that you helped found MapInfo. The [http://www.formularpi.com Formula SAE] team actually uses the parking lot behind the headquarters for trial runs and tuning. Also of note is the [http://rickywillems.myrpi.org/hybrid/index.html Formula Hybrid] team which was recently founded. Next time you're in Troy, stop by either shop. The teams could probably benefit from your experience with bike/motorcycle dynamics. [[User:Lombar2|Lombar2]] ([[User talk:Lombar2|talk]]) 07:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== [[Cyclocomputer]] sensor caption ==

Hi!  <s>This may sound really trivial and petty</s>...  scratch "may sound", it ''is'' really trivial and petty, but... <br />The caption for <nowiki>Image:Cyclocomputer_sensor.JPG</nowiki> reads "A wired [[Hall effect]] sensor with [[spoke]] mounted magnet."  Me, I'd much rather have computer which works by [[Tesla|interesting]] Hall effect than by a [[Edison|boring]] old reed switch.  <small>Tesla and Edison pretty much irrelevant to this, but as famous engineers go, who's the more interesting?</small> <br />Naturally enough, instead of looking for reliable, verifiable and peer-reviewed reference info, I did some [[Wikipedia:No original research|good old fashioned Original Research]].  The sensor in the pic is the sensor unit for a Cateye cyclocomputer.  Got similar Cateye sensors on my bikes.  Waved a [http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s778702.htm fridge magnet] at them (sensors, not the bicycles) and could hear a teeny "[[Pink (singer)|pink]], pink, pink" of what I guess is a reed switch, as the cadence read-out displayed 199.99 and my maximum trip speed went up from 35kmh to 92kmh.<br />Admittedly, my sensor kits (like my bikes, and myself) are all pretty ancient.  Going by the forks' paintwork, the forks (Reynolds tubing? Columbus?) and their dropout pattern, and the QR skewer's cam lever and retaining nut, the bike in the pic looks like an oldie-but-goodie.  The sensor unit looks newer. However, I don't think Cateye would have more latterly changed from reed switch to Hall effect sensors - Hall effect sensors apparently have magnitudes larger current drain on head unit batteries.  Do you think the pic caption should be altered? <br />--[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 11:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)  <br />ps: Is that an old Avocet hub-mounted sensor magnet in the pic?   Now, they used Hall effect - and this comment may be  even more completely wrong-headed than it is already...

== Free body diagram ==

Hi.  I ran into [[:Image:Free_Body_Diagram.png]] this evening and I was wondering what software you used to generate it.  I have occasionally wanted to draw diagrammatic stuff and gotten stuck somewhere between Paint (too little) and Illustrator (often too much).  Thanks in advance for whatever tips you can offer. --[[User:Dvortygirl|Dvortygirl]] ([[User talk:Dvortygirl|talk]]) 02:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Bicycle tool kits and French chalk ==

Specifically this bit ''At the least this will include a tire patch kit (these contain tube-patching material, an adhesive, a block of [[French chalk]] and a metal grater to reduce the chalk to powder''

I've seen this around so they're available at least in the UK, no idea what merits the inclusion of "Many" cyclists carrying them however. [[User:Severo|Severo]]<sup>''[[User talk:Severo|T]][[Special:Contributions/Severo|C]]''</sup> 14:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

:I can't verify "to reduce the chalk to powder". I was going to offer to take a picture of a kit I have in the other room with a metal grater and chalk, but the chalk has gone missing! [[User:Severo|Severo]]<sup>''[[User talk:Severo|T]][[Special:Contributions/Severo|C]]''</sup> 10:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Your source is wrong, also needs better reference, half true!  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Indwisdom|Indwisdom]] ([[User talk:Indwisdom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Indwisdom|contribs]]) 20:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Edits to Bicycle ==

Hi Andrew&mdash;That's really strange. Actually, the edit was to remove the piping in the wikilink, which is always done. But I removed the grater --> greater edit, as you pointed out. Why AWB got the two mixed up, I have no idea. Perhaps I should stop allowing AWB to provide the Edit Summary. Do you know if it commonly makes ES mistakes like this? In any case, thanks for bringing this to my attention. --[[User:AnnaFrance|AnnaFrance]] ([[User talk:AnnaFrance|talk]]) 15:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics ==

Looks like a fascinating article, but I see from the talk page that the [[WP:GA]] group thinks it needs a copy-edit, that it doesn't follow [[WP:MOS]] guidelines. I'd be delighted to see if I can help with this effort. I think I could get started tomorrow. Thanks for letting me join the group. --[[User:AnnaFrance|AnnaFrance]] ([[User talk:AnnaFrance|talk]]) 17:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics talk page archive ==

I left you a message on the talk page today about the Instability section, and that I was going to try my hand at archiving the talk page late tonight. I have just done that, and it appears to have worked just fine. If you didn't see my message earlier, this will give you a chance to check out the archive, which is where that message is now. --[[User:AnnaFrance|AnnaFrance]] ([[User talk:AnnaFrance|talk]]) 04:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== [[:Image:Free Body Diagram.png]] ==

Do you have the source to your diagram [[:Image:Free Body Diagram.png]]? It needs to be modified, since it shows the frictional force going through its true line of action but the normal reaction going through the block's centroid, which is not, which is somewhat misleading. Thanks, [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:Not handy. I just drew it in MS Word, then pasted it into Paint to save it in PNG format. To where do you propose to move the normal force arrow? Its exact location is not known without additional information and further analysis. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 16:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

::I may stand to be corrected, but since the weight acts through the surface of contact, the normal reaction must act through the point on that surface vertically below the centre of mass, or there would be a net rotational acceleration. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 16:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:::That would eliminate any moment due to the gravitational and the normal forces if they were in opposite directions, which they are not, and would not address the moment generated by the friction force. All of this only applies to the static case, which is not given. In fact, if the coefficient of friction is zero, then the normal force is correct as drawn. Otherwise, the acceleration must be known in order to correctly place the single, resultant normal force arrow. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 16:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

::::If their lines of action intersect then there is no moment regardless of direction.  [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 17:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::This contradicts your statement above. Since the normal force is not parallel to the gravitational force, their lines of action will always intersect somewhere, no mater where the normal force is applied. That would mean that the normal force and the gravitational force could never create a moment, which is not true. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 19:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

::::::The normal and gravitational forces only produce a moment if the weight acts outside the surface of contact. Within this boundary the forces must cross ''on'' the surface or the ''frictional'' force exerts a moment with the other two. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 20:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, for a three-force member in static equilibrium. However, there is nothing about the diagram or the article that states that the block is not moving. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Even in a dynamic case the block has no angular acceleration, and all acceleration occurs in a plane perpendicular to the normal reaction, so it is not affected. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 17:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::No angular acceleration is necessary for angular momentum to be a factor. A braking car will experience "weight shift" to the front wheels even if the suspension and the wheels are rigid. No rotation is necessary for this to occur. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 19:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

::::::Forgive me if I find this a little hand-wavey. I'm not aware of any case in which the ''vertical'' force on the wheels of a braking car is imbalanced, or indeed there would be a net moment on the car. A truly rigid car has no angular momentum because its path has an infinite radius of curvature. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 20:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::No hand-waving necessary. It follows directly from the definition of angular momentum about a point, '''''H'''<sub>p</sub>''&nbsp;=&nbsp;'''''r'''<sub>/p</sub>''&nbsp;x&nbsp;''m'''v''''', and the correct application of angular momentum balance. You may read about it in the [[Bicycle_physics#Longitudinal_stability|Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics]] article. The citation includes a link to a PDF copy of a statics and dynamics textbook published by Oxford University Press. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::::::Besides whatever effect or phenomenon you're trying to describe, the simple case that the diagram is trying to describe either shows a block in mechanical equilibrium on a plane or a block sliding down it, both of which are cases in which the free body illustrated experiences no net moment. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 20:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::There is no net moment only in the static (or constant velocity) case. If there is acceleration, then the net moment about any point must equal the cross product of the position vector from that point to the center of mass with the product of mass and acceleration vector of the center of mass:'''''M'''<sub>p</sub>''&nbsp;=&nbsp;'''''r'''<sub>cm/p</sub>''&nbsp;x&nbsp;''m'''a'''<sub>cm</sub>''. Using a point that coincides with the center of mass provides no information, of course, because the position vector has zero length: the net moment about the center of mass is zero. 
:::::::As for what I am showing in that diagram, it happens to coincide with option ''c'' of the three "sensible" ways to represent contact force distributions shown on page 95 of the same textbook mentioned above. One more option I've seen in a different text that is slightly more complicated is to indicate an unknown distance "''d''" from one edge to the point of application. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics images ==

Wow. That's bizarre. How could text and images get mixed up in a table? IE must be unusual, because we tested with several browsers on Macs and PCs, to make sure everything looked just right. Anyway, so the images are in bad shape as they stand now. I guess you'd better fix them.  --[[User:AnnaFrance|AnnaFrance]] ([[User talk:AnnaFrance|talk]]) 02:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dangerous old books ==
I recently acquired a reprint of one of the coolest old books and was reading some of it today.  I like to read it, it doesn't make me want to change my gender but it helps me to enjoy the other (I am old school, and think that there are only two of these...).  One of the chapters might contain information that would be good for a balloon article -- I am not familiar with the structure of those articles here enough to add it though.  Here is as beautiful of a citation filled out that I can make for it:
*{{cite book
 | last = Beard
 | first = Daniel Carter
 | authorlink = Daniel Carter Beard
 | title = [[The American Boy's Handy Book]]
 | url = http://books.google.com/books?id=VpICAAAAYAAJ
 | accessdate = 2008-06-26
 | date = 1890
 | chapter = Chapter XV: Fourth of July Balloons with New and Novel Attachments
 | chapterurl = http://books.google.com/books?id=VpICAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA136
 }}

If you already knew of this, forgive me for the redundancy. -- [[User:CarolSpears|carol]] ([[User talk:CarolSpears|talk]]) 04:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== Eigenvalues ==

Hi Andrew,

I'm unfamiliar with the conventions for contributing to Wikipedia, so forgive me if my note to you is inappropriate.  I just put the following comment in the "Talk" section for "Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics".  Since you seem to be very active on bicycle related articles, I thought I would ask you directly.  I'm very puzzled about the "Eigenvalues" section:

It appears to me that the capsize speed and the weave speed are reversed, both in the text, in the eigenvalue plot and in the PDF reference [17] by Meijaard, et al.  My own experience is that at low speed a bicycle will "capsize" (fall over without any weaves), while at high speed on a poorly designed bicycle the weaves can increase in amplitude until "failure".  I'm not an expert, nor a prior contributer to Wikipedia, so I hesitate to make any changes.  Maybe the text is simply very confusing and in need of editing (if so, I could easily manage that!).

I guess it is not standard practice to give email addresses, but I don't mind giving mine: srwenner@verizon.net.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.19.219.159|70.19.219.159]] ([[User talk:70.19.219.159|talk]]) 23:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The text currently glosses over a mode that perhaps matches what you describe. Before the two most positive eigenvalues coalesce into a complex conjugate pair, which indicates oscillation, they indicate simply falling instead, as an inverted pendulum. It is only when the complex components show up, at about 1 m/s, that the weave oscillation begins. Perhaps that better matches your experience. You or I should add that detail. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 23:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Countersteering ==

Yes, a fascinating discussion.  I feel like I'm always on the edge of totally understanding the topic, but never quite there.  I guess it's a bit like balancing a bike...  This article and your comments have been very illuminating for me.    By the way I just added a [[Countersteering#Bicycles]] section which hopefully  you agree complements the existing Motorcycles section that now follows it.  --[[User:Serge Issakov|Serge]] ([[User talk:Serge Issakov|talk]]) 19:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

== Cogset article ==

Hi, I see you've been editing the cogset article, and seem to be active on wikipedia and '''very''' knowledgeable about bikes.  I think I may have changed a few of your edits, I hope you don't mind.  

There seems to be a lot to do on the bicycle articles here, I'm open to any suggestions of where to start (I've only edited wikipedia very occasionally, but would like to put some work in to the bike stuff.) 

That's a good point about most single speed (non-bmx) bikes using a coaster brake, I'd not thought of that.  That's probably true for N. American, (I'm Canadian), but I was thinking of the Asian Utility bikes when I wrote that... maybe I can make that make sense.  --[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 00:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

::Keep up the good work. If you get a chance, perhaps you could take a look at [[Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics]], [[Bicycle and motorcycle geometry]], and [[Bicycle performance]]. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 12:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the encouragement, and Awesome job on the freehub/threaded-hub diagram.  I skimed over those articles mention and I gotta say, they intimidate me.  I love the bikes, but my knowledge (and collection of reference books) is the nuts and bolts.  Don't know 'bout that physics stuff.  I'll look them over all the same, maybe there be a few little things I could add.  --[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 05:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Hey, I was thinking of editing your Freehub_vs_freewheel_hub to do a cut away section of each to show the bearings.  (well, at least to try to)  What did you use to make it?  Would you have a svg (or other format that inkscape can handle) kicking around somewhere?--[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 06:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

::::No such luck, sorry. I drew it in MS Word. I can send you that, if it would help. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel|talk]]) 14:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::Thanks for the offer, but I don't think it'll be of use for me in that format.  Maybe I'll just do some tracing.--[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] 

I seem to be stepping on your toes more than I mean to these days...sorry about that.  I just replaced your diagram of a Freehub vs a freewheel hub
on the [[cogset]] article.  I hope you like it, but let me know if you don't.  Maybe I/someone can change the diagram I put up.  Or maybe both images could go up, but I think the article is a bit to small for that.  Let me know what you think.--[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 09:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== trail and self stability ==

Either I missed it in the article, or the article left out the key factor in self stability, which is trail. This is easily demonstrated on bicycles where the front wheel can be turned backwards; by turning the front wheel backwards (assuming forward offset forks, the trail is increased a lot and the bicycle will almost come to a complete stop before falling over.
[[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 01:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Perhaps the existing text inadvertantly emphasizes the influence of gyroscopic effects on self-stability, simply due to the order of the sections. While I don't doubt the experiment you cite, first we would need a published source for it not to be OR; and second, it only suggests that increasing trail lowers the lower bound of the stable range. It doesn't indicate that trail is necessary nor sufficient for self-stability. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

On a side note, too little trail is one source of speed wobble. This was an issue for the first year production of Honda's 900 RR motorcycle, where speed wobble was an issue when these motorcycles were raced. In the second and later years, the forks were adjusted 3/8" back to increase the trail and eliminate the speed wobble issue. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 01:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:All Cossalter says is that "wobble frequency goes up as trial increases and front-frame inertia decreases". He continues with "[it] is determined mainly by the stiffness and damping of the front tire, although the lateral flexibility of the front fork also plays a part." Can anyone verify that the amount of trail was the only change that Honda made? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

::It wasn't the only change, and Honda made the change much later than I thought. The issue created an aftermarket for triple clamps with more trail (less offset), and is mentioned in this Wiki reference to the 1998 model: <i>5 mm (0.20 in) less triple clamp offset (an almost universal aftermarket upgrade to previous models).</i> [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 01:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


You are raising excellent points about the article. Thanks for taking a look at it. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics: trail and self stability ==

Perhaps you could help out here when you get the time?

Regarding bicycles (or motocycles) I've alway's thought that main source of self stability was fork trail. I've read this in numerous articles, that included the results of actual testing of real bicycles where the trail was varied from negative (no stability) to very positive (lots of stability). However, Andrew Dressel appears to be disputing a relationship between trail snd self stability.

:In all the excitement, you might have missed that I actually am Andrew Dressel. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 19:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I've added the following section to the talk page:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#trail_and_self_stability trail and self stability]

I'm also confused about the capsize speed, since I've never experienced this. The eigenvalues section includes a diagram showing that some model of a bicycle will go unstable at around 18mph. However this speed seems slow. A winning racing bicyclist often goes hand free at the end of a race, well over 30mph, with no apparent instability. Motorcycle races sometimes fall off their bikes at high speeds, and the bikes continue on with no apparenty instability.

[[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 19:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:#The particular eigenvalues plotted are for a utility bicycle, not a race bike nor a motorcycle.
:#A rider sitting up on his bike with his hands in the air is completely different from a riderless bike. Riding no-hands is not a demonstration of self-stability.
:As the article already states: <i>a capsize can happen very slowly if the bike is moving forward rapidly. Because the capsize instability is so slow, on the order of seconds, it is easy for the rider to control, and is actually used by the rider to initiate the lean necessary for a turn.</i>  -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 19:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I've experienced turning a motorcycle at 100mph (not all out, but at about 80% of maximum grip), and the main difference is that the bike tends to hold it's lean angle (lean stability) as opposed to straightening up (vertical stability), when I wasn't applying any torque to the handle bars. I had to use the same amount of inwards counter steering to straighten up as outwards counter steering to lean over. It was similar to flying a plane with no dihedral effects, once banked, it just held the bank angle (the motorcycle at 100mph). At slower speeds, the motorcycle tends to straighten up and requires a constant amount of outwards counter-steering torque in order to hold a lean angle.

:It sounds as though you are experiencing the different behaviours on either side of the so-called inversion speed. As the article already states: <i>at speeds below the capsize speed, also called the inversion speed, the self-stability of the bike will cause it to tend to steer into the turn, righting itself and exiting the turn, unless a torque is applied in the opposite direction of the turn. At speeds above the capsize speed, the capsize instability will cause it to tend to steer out of the turn, increasing the lean, unless a torque is applied in the direction of the turn. At the capsize speed no input steering torque is necessary to maintain the steady-state turn.</i> -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 19:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I've always thought that the tendency to straighten up is due to the inwards yaw torque on the steering due to fork trail effect. Regarding the transition into lean stability at high speeds, I've always though that it was due to gyroscopic effets.

[[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 19:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

*I've read about the same neutral handling (no steering required to hold a lean angle) effect not having a known upper limit in articles about motocycle racing. It starts at around 100mph, and continues to feel the same up to the 200mph or so speeds that racing motorcycles reach. Most racing tracks don't have turns at this speed. Daytona has a 180+mph turn, but it's steeply banked. The main exception is the Ilse of Mann (it's a timed event verus a true race), where there are several 150mph to  200mph turns. The racers claim that 200mph turns feel no different than 100mph turns, no steering inputs are required to maintain a lean angle, stereing input are only used to change the lean angle. However the faster you go, the more counter steering force it takes to change the lean angle, and the force is quite large at high speeds. At slower speeds, 80mph or less, some amount of constant counter steering and/or hanging off the motorcycle is required to maintain lean angles to prevent the motorcycle from reducing the lean angle (returning to vertical). The reason stated for neutral handling at high speeds was gyroscopic effects, which resist any change in the roll axis. Yaw torque due to trail on the front wheel should result in some outwards roll precession, but the rate is very small and resisted by the rear tire which is larger and has more momentum. The reason usually given for vertical stability at lower speeds is fork trail. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 20:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:There is a ton of conventional wisdom and lore out there, perhaps largely because the correct equations have been so hard to pin down and so opaque to conventional dynamic analysis. I have yet to see a convincing treatment that teases out what parameter is responsible for what behavior at what speed. That may not even be possible. Another part of the problem could be that there are so many parameters at play. I'm afraid the best we can do in this article at this point is point out that parameters that do contribute. 
:It may be true that racing motorcycles do not have a capsize speed, but I have not seen physical test data, and the one eigenvalue plot for motorcycles I have seen, by Cossalter, which does appear to have a finite capsize speed does not indicate how complete the model is. Perhaps it doesn't include tire effects, and they increase the capsize speed on real bikes. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 22:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

*I found some videos testing stability on a treadmill from the Delft bicycle research page. The fastest test is at 30km/h = 18.64 mph, or 8.33 m/sec, (slightly above the stated capsize speed), the bike is very stable. [http://www.tudelft.nl/live/pagina.jsp?id=0cc5c910-a1ee-40a8-92cb-bf4a2ac54bd0&lang=en treadmill measurements]. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 23:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Since that page you link to doesn't state a capsize speed, I'm guessing you are refering to the capsize speed stated in this wikipedia article. That value is merely an example calculated for one particular idealized bicycle. I've added some words that I hope make it clearer that the plot of eigenvalues is for one particular bike. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::The capsize speed is shown in a graph on another article from Delft, and it appears to be the same bicycle: [http://www.tudelft.nl/live/pagina.jsp?id=95c52a8b-37c2-4136-ad98-97aea768d9b7&lang=en&binary=/doc/Koo06.pdf Koo06.pdf]
::The graphs shows capsize speed at below 8m/s, but the tread mill runs shows and states that the bicycle is very stable at 30km/s == 8.64 m /s. I'm waiting for feedback from someone at Delft, but my guess is that tire width is an issue. When leaned over, the contact patch is on the side of the tire, and this offset creates an outwards torque on the roll axis. Tire width and a rear tire much larger than the front tire may explain why the capsize "rate" is imperceptible on motorcycles at high speed. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 23:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

*It's been a while with no response. Any new ideas or comments?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeffareid|contribs]]) 20:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== slip angle ==

*slip angle links (plenty of these at various web sites)

[[Slip angle]]

:Not much for references. One of the three links appears to be broken. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.msgroup.org/forums/MTT/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=168 motorcycle slip angle]

:I'm leery of these guys. They also claim that the rear wheel and engine provide significant stabilization via gyroscopic forces (The third gyroscope), and they provide no credible source for such claims. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::I seem to recall some square 4 cylinder engines in racing bikes that had counter rotating flywheels, and the riders claimed to notice the difference. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 04:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

*camber thrust (again plenty links on this):

Article explaining camber thrust: [http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/Tyres/TYRES.htm tyres]

:While I don't dispute the final results, I don't like the argument used to develop it. They completely ignore the fact that bikes and cars have front and rear tires and the center of curvature is at the intersection of their axes. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Tiny graph in this link: [http://www.trackaddix.com/images/misc/Motorcycle_Tire_Information.pdf motorcycle tire information]

:Seems to agree with Cossalter: camber thrust generates more than enough centripetal force for cornering up to about 30 degrees. Below that, there will actually be negative side slip. Above that, side slip increases rapidly. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Experiment disputing camber thrust: [http://www.terrycolon.com/1features/legend.html wheels that don't turn]
Scroll down web page for this link. It's currently broke though. A description of the experiment: Terry made a rig that consisted of two paper cups and a frame. The axles of the paper cups were parallel to each other. Even though the "outer" diameters of the paper cups were larger than the "inner" diameters, the rig rolled in a straight line.

:Ignores the fact that camber thrust is caused by deforming the tire carcass, not simply by the conical shape. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::Which is why I'd like to see the experiment repeated with conical tires that would deform instead of slip. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 04:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

*my thought - camber torque versus camber thrust versus slip angle

A cone segment shaped tire turns in a circle because it's contact patch generates an inwards yaw torque as the tire rolls forwards, which causes the tire to turn (yaw) over time and travel in a circular path. The contact patch deforms in normal slip angle mode. As speed increases, the radius will become larger because the slip angle increases with centripetal force, which increases relative to speed^2. The point here is that the cone aspect of the tire creates a (yawing) torque, not a (centripetal) force.

:Tires with non-zero camber angle can generate a yawing torque, a centripetal force, or some combination of the two. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Now expand this to a vehicle with two cone segment shaped tires. The inwards yaw torque from the rear tire produces an inwards force on the front tire. The inwards yaw torque from the front tire is more complicated because the front wheel can yaw (steer). It would produce an outwards force on the rear tire if the steering angle was fixed or resisted by a rider. The net difference in these forces, could be considered camber thrust.  These camber related forces would be added to the centripetal related forces on the tires, eventually ending up as conventional slip angle related deformations. Note that the inwards yaw camber torque at the front tire causes it to steer inwards, and this may be factor in capsize speed in the case of a riderless bicycle. Camber torque must be relatively small, because it doesn't prevent a riderless bicycle from being stable within reasonable speed range, and it doesn't exhibit itself as a significant torque felt at the handlebars by a rider.

:Wilson and Papadopoulos, citing Cossalter, agree that tire "scrub" torque may be responsible for suppression of the capsize instability at high speed. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

If the two cone shaped tire vehicle had parallel axis, then I'm not sure what happens. Terry Colon did an experiment using paper cups, but the friction was low allowing slippage, and it's possible that the straight line was really a circle with a very large radius. Note that the yawing torque from each tire is resisted by a sideways force by the other tire, so I don't know if there is any net torque or force on the overall vehicle. I wonder what would happen if only one of the tires was cone like and the other was flat?

[[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 21:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I can find several examples of authors that claim that side slip causes centripetal force, instead of merely being a symptom of centripetal force. The best treatment I know of online is at http://www.dinamoto.it/ -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:In compliance with Newtons 3rd law, and rather than specify cause and effect, I was just trying to state that slip angle deformation coexists with centripetal force. It's my belief that the conical aspect so often referred to as camber thrust is actually a torque and not a linear force. I get the feeling that some of these articles are using the term camber thrust to include factors other than the difference in diameters of the inner and outer sufaces of a contact patch. Then again, perhaps I've generalized the term slip angle too much to include any deformation that results in the effective radius of a turn being larger than the no-load radius of a turn. [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 04:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:Regarding camber thrust, if a single tire is rolling along a banked track, does it turn uphill? [[User:Jeffareid|Jeffareid]] ([[User talk:Jeffareid|talk]]) 04:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

==[[Stem (bicycle part)]]==
Nice work on the Stem article! [[User:842U|842U]] ([[User talk:842U|talk]]) 22:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:: Don't mind at all.  You made terrific edits, and every bit helps. [[User:842U|842U]] ([[User talk:842U|talk]]) 22:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Happy New Year ==

Happy new year to you too!  I'm looking forward to it.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Keithonearth|contribs]]) 05:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I just read your list of bikes.  Wow, I'm impressed.  My two favourites are the lightspeed with 8speed dura-ace, and the Trek 710.  --[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 05:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
::I put my bikes up on [[User:Keithonearth|my user page]].  Nothing as impresive as yours.  I've got a geeky obscure tech question for you: does a 8spd Dura-Ace cassette use the same free hub body as 7spd non-Dura-Ace shimano cassettes?  I know there's some Dura-Ace specific indexing thing at 8spd (and maybe 9spd), but I'm not sure of the details.  (I use 8spd Dura-Ace down-tube shifters on my touring bike, and they don't index right without some non-standard configuration)--[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 23:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sadly, I do not know if an 8spd Dura-Ace cassette uses the same free hub body as 7spd non-Dura-Ace shimano cassettes. Have you looked here? Wow, you done some awesome traveling? What's your favorite trip? -AndrewDressel (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I did see something on SheldonBrown about Dura-Ace specific indexing issues, that's how I managed to set it up.  I just can't remember the specifics.  It's sort of related to one thing on the [[Derailleur gears]] articles that I added.  To make my shifters work with modern 8spd you change the side of the anchor bolt the cable runs to, that affects the actuation ratio.  I'm putting a [[Talk:Derailleur gears#Actuation ratio|note up there]] too.
Oh, and [[Ladakh]] in India is one of my favourite places.  It's wonderful for hiking, and minor mountaineering.--[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 10:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Any chance of taking a picture of a shifter? -AndrewDressel (talk) 12:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

:I took a couple snapshots today, but I'm not sure what you had in mind, as there's some fine shots on the shifter page.  Some, it would seem, taken by you.  Anyways, I've got one of a new shimano trigger sifter not installed, and one of my prized dura-ace down tube shifters.--[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 06:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding steering ==

Andrew first of all i'd like to thank you immensely for clearing my doubt on steering. My peanut brain wasnt able to understand how the centripetal force was in the radial direction. Your explanation clarified the matter "a little". Circular geometry of wheel is the reason i've now realised. Thats why a crate given an initial velocity will be brought to rest by friction (whatever be its orientation) whereas a wheel (with its plane at an angle to its velocity vector) will take a turn because a component of the friction will change its W and bring the V(along that direction) equal to R*W thereby vanishing the friction. 
We discussed it here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Turning._Explanation.3F

Now my doubt: 
The basis of your explanation is the decomposition of the initial longitudinal friction to two components. The one along the wheel plane will modify W and V(along the wheel plane) such that V=R*W. (same story. But don't yawn!) But what if the wheel's initial W is set such that the component of velocity along the wheel plane is equal to R*W. The work of the component of the friction has already been done. So will the net friction become zero? What would happen then?
P.S: I'm posting this in the talk page of "Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics" wiki article too.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/117.193.196.97|117.193.196.97]] ([[User talk:117.193.196.97|talk]]) 14:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Reply: I don't understand what you are talking about. (maybe you mistook me to be the OP of this section.) I'm talking about the question described in the above section, "Regarding Steering". It has nothing to do with leaning or remaining upright. [[Special:Contributions/117.193.196.97|117.193.196.97]] ([[User talk:117.193.196.97|talk]]) 05:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Ganesh

::Yes, things are all tangled up because you inserted you comments into a conversation I was having with another editor and you did't make it clear that you are a different editor. Please follow these conventions:
::#Sign your postings with a recognizable name, preferably a Wikipedia user name. It appears you are adding "Ganesh" on after the date and time of your posts. That is not very helpful.
::#Indent your posts so that they stand out.
::#Avoid inserting your comments on my talk page into conversations I am already having with another editor.
::I am sorry that I have not been able to reply in a timely manner, but your question is complicated and hard to understand. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 12:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry. It wasn't any personal discussion. So i thought it wouldn't be wrong for me to take part in it. Anyway sorry again. Regarding my doubt,.. A wheel is cruising through space having its velocity vector at an angle to the wheel plane when its circumference touches a frictional surface. What happens now is described by you in talk page of "Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics". I'm pasting the desired part here.
<blockquote>
Suppose that suddenly the front wheel is turned 45° with respect to the direction of travel. Then, as with a sliding block, you would suppose that the friction force vector is exactly opposite the direction of travel. As with any vector, this force vector can be decomposed into perpendicular components: one aligned with the direction the wheel is pointing, and the other aligned with the axis of the wheel. If we suppose that the wheel is free to rotate about its axis, then the component of the friction vector aligned with the direction of the wheel must go to zero (in the idealized case where there are no disipative forces, such as bearing friction or aerodynamic drag, slowing the rotation of the wheel) because any non-zero friction force would simply cause the wheel rotation rate to change and quickly become zero. The only significant non-zero component of the friction vector remaining is the one aligned with the axis of the wheel.
</blockquote>

Now what happens if the wheel's initial angular velocity W is set such that R*W is exactly equal to the velocity component in the direction the wheel is pointing? [[User:Sganesh 88|Sganesh 88]] ([[User talk:Sganesh 88|talk]]) 09:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that welcome message in my talk page Andrew! (or was it an automatically generated one? :O ) [[User:Sganesh 88|Sganesh 88]] ([[User talk:Sganesh 88|talk]]) 13:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

==Can't understand==
I'm very puzzled by [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics&diff=prev&oldid=286724037 this revert], As best I know, centrifugal force does not exist, a consistent discussion of forces must use the concept of centripetal forces. You obviously understand this quite well and there's lots been going on in discussion. Can you explain what I did wrong that needed tearing up? [[User:MalcolmMcDonald|MalcolmMcDonald]] ([[User talk:MalcolmMcDonald|talk]]) 20:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

:Although centrifugal force is described as fictitious, it still conveniently explains why a bike must lean and makes for an easy calculation of the exact angle. You state that "this leaning creates the [[centripetal]] force needed to deviate machine and rider from their state of uniform motion in a straight line," when it is the tires that create the centripetal force necessary to change the direction of any wheeled vehicle, and leaning is only required on single-track vehicles to maintain balance. I cannot imagine how, nor do I know of a source that agrees that, the lean creates any centripetal force. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 03:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Lean does result in a centripetal force. Lean towards the left and you would steer left 'a bit'. This is because, a rotating wheel "left-slanted" would have a torque (generated by the normal force) in the direction opposite to the direction of travel. The angular momentum points towards the left. So the wheel deflects to the left. (The resultant angular momentum vector chases the torque!) Steering is a consequence. The driver should prevent this deflection by the use of the handle-bar.

Sure leaning a spinning front wheel to the left causes it to precess to the left, but how is this lean to the left created? Do you mean by the rider leaning to the right with respect to the bike? Do you mean to say that steering is done by leaning and not by applying torque to the handlebars? It certainly can happen, as when riding no-hands, but is not necessary nor particularly effective. 

Reply:Yes. I didn't say it is effective. But a slight steering CAN be 
achieved by leaning. What handle bar does is done by 
leaning-deflecting the wheel- WHICH results in the generation of 
centripetal force by the usual procedure which you explained in 
the talk page of the article under "Turning. Explanation?". [[Special:Contributions/117.193.196.97|117.193.196.97]] ([[User talk:117.193.196.97|talk]]) 05:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Ganesh

:However, you have not explained from where any centripetal force might come. The only source of centripetal force of which I know  is the friction between the wheels and the ground. As I have stated before, any wheeled vehicle uses this to turn, and no leaning is required unless it is single-track. Why then, do you continue to assert that lean creates centripetal force? -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply: Yes. It is the same friction. As i said before the leaning 
creates a deflection of wheel about the vertical axis which is 
usually done with the help of the handle bar. [[Special:Contributions/117.193.196.97|117.193.196.97]] ([[User talk:117.193.196.97|talk]]) 05:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Ganesh

Hence gyroscopic effect is a major contributor for stability i think.

:Yes, it can be. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

And andrew you haven't answered the previous question. If you didnt understand, i'm ready to elaborate on it. [[Special:Contributions/117.193.195.158|117.193.195.158]] ([[User talk:117.193.195.158|talk]]) 13:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)Ganesh

I believe I have answered your question twice already, first in the edit summary and again above. I reverted your edit because you added the claim that "this leaning creates the [[centripetal]] force needed to deviate machine and rider from their state of uniform motion in a straight line." You have not provided a source that supports this claim nor have you explained how it could be true. Also, neither you nor I know that "remaining upright ''is'' the primary goal of riding," and I don't know why you added an external link to a Wikipedia article. With all of that, it was far easier to revert than crawl through the paragraph and fix each issue. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

::I still don't understand as much as you two do on this subject, and I've obviously tripped up with my edit, claiming that leaning produced centripetal force. But seeing "centrifugal force" in a technical article sets my teeth on edge. I'm sure there's something better. [[User:MalcolmMcDonald|MalcolmMcDonald]] ([[User talk:MalcolmMcDonald#top|talk]]) 16:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

:::First, let me apologize. Apparently some other editor has inserted himself into our conversation. I mistook his comments for yours. I do understand some of the controversy about centrifugal force, what with it being described as fictitious and all, but it remains the simplest and straight-forward way to describe some situations. I also wish there was a better way. In the article itself, I try to avoid the issue with "to balance the relevant forces: gravitational, inertial, frictional, and ground support." At least we agree on the centripetal force. Phew! -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 12:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==No hands==
I know that you can lean on a bicycle and cause the bicycle to turn without turning the handle bars. Is that explanable.[[User:WFPM|WFPM]] ([[User talk:WFPM|talk]]) 16:29, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:Sure, if the front assembly is free to rotate about the steering axis, otherwise no. It is explained in [[Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics#No hands]]. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 18:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::Your animated model shows it steering to the left as it turns to the left, and I think that is correct. But I think you do first steer to the right before you steer to the left, so now I'm even more confused.[[User:WFPM|WFPM]] ([[User talk:WFPM|talk]]) 18:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The animation is consistent with the description "this leftward lean of the bike will cause it to steer to the left and initiate a right-hand turn." In both cases when the bike leans to the left, it then steers to the left, and ends up in a turn to the right. The only difference between the two is the rider's motion relative to the frame. - [[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 19:30, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== GA reassesment ==

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== Footnotes ==

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== DYK for Camber thrust ==


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== [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Staying_upright_on_a_bike|RefDesk question: Staying upright on a bike]] ==

I noticed that you are one of the main authors of [[Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics]] - an excellent article by the way - and thought that you might be interested in providing input at the reference desk question linked above. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 07:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

==Squat==


A/s does not affect the steady state weight transfer at all. A/S can be used to suppress any visible rocking effect. Is A/s really a great link in context? [[User:Greglocock|Greglocock]] ([[User talk:Greglocock|talk]]) 12:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Local Bike Shop Article Bias ==

I'm curious why it is okay to reference Performance Bike and Bike Nashbar (owned by Performance Bike) and not any other on-line vendor? When I tried to add competing vendors you deleted my comments.  Do you work for Performance too? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PBulebar|PBulebar]] ([[User talk:PBulebar|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PBulebar|contribs]]) 23:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:No. I have no connection to Performance or Nashbar. I have made over 5000 edits over the last 3 years to a variety of bike and physics related articles. Your user ID however, appeares to have been created purely for the purposes of adding links to http://www.biketiresdirect.com and http://www.westernbikeworks.com to a couple of Wikipedia articles. That is considered link spam, and that is why I reverted your additions. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 02:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Pedersen bicycle ==


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== bicycle ==

Oops, sorry! Thannks for imforming me. [[User:Pepperpiggle#top|<font color="lime">*Pepper</font>]][[User talk:Pepperpiggle#top|<font color="grey">piggle*</font>]][[User:Pepperpiggle/Guestbook#top|<font color="green"><sup>*Sign!*</sup></font>]] 01:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Serial bicycle ==

Hi Andrew.  Serial bicycle means a bicycle that be purchased at a shop, as opposed to a custom made or a prototype one.  Shall we rename it to "series production bicycle" ? --[[User:Jordiferrer|Jordiferrer]] ([[User talk:Jordiferrer|talk]]) 18:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/66.235.17.41|66.235.17.41]] ([[User talk:66.235.17.41|talk]]) 03:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC) ==

Andrew- why is it I write something and when I am finished I send four [[Special:Contributions/66.235.17.41|66.235.17.41]] ([[User talk:66.235.17.41|talk]]) 03:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC) and it comes out
66.235.17.41 instead of Sandy Morton and a time stamp?

:You need to be [[Special:UserLogin|logged in]] as Sandy Morton in order for it to work. Otherwise the system doesn't know who you are and just uses your [[IP address]]. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 03:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

this is a test! I signed in as Sandy Morton, let's see if four tildes work08:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sandy Morton|Sandy Morton]] ([[User talk:Sandy Morton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sandy Morton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I'll try again. Sandy Morton 08:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sandy Morton|Sandy Morton]] ([[User talk:Sandy Morton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sandy Morton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Eureka! It works. Andrew did you receive my email with several pages from Gillispie's book a day or two ago? Sandy Morton 08:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sandy Morton|Sandy Morton]] ([[User talk:Sandy Morton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sandy Morton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Centurion (bicycle)==
I wish I could find more sources for the article.  It's tough: defunct company, pre-internet.  Would you nominate the article?[[User:842U|842U]] ([[User talk:842U|talk]]) 12:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

== A question that might interest you ==

I just posted [[Talk:Spoke#Calculation|a question]] on the accuracy of the equation we've got on the [[spoke]] page for determining the length of bicycle spokes.  It seems like something that might interest you, and/or something that you could be a help with.  Thanks!  --[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 07:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== civility/NPA ==

Can you remove or refactor [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Countersteering&curid=1248816&diff=334130735&oldid=334125102 this comment]? It comes across as a bit of a personal attack on the other editor. Cheers, [[User:Tedder|tedder]] ([[User talk:Tedder|talk]]) 19:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

:Good catch. Thanks. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 19:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== DYK for Quality Bicycle Products ==


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== Calliper vs. caliper ==

Oops, and sorry!  I am familiar with tire vs. tyre and (I think) left it unchanged.  I am also aware of kerb/curb, aluminum/aluminium, etc., but had missed calliper/caliper.  I'll go have a look to fix it (if it is not already repaired).  Thanks for the English lesson.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pardo|Pardo]] ([[User talk:Pardo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pardo|contribs]]) 04:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Permission for a picture ==

Hi Andrew Dressel

A friend of mine worte a PhD thesis and asked me to publish it. It is entitled: 
THE ROLE OF THE CHURCH IN POLITICS IN MALAWI
THE USE OF THEOLOGICAL MODELS
A CASE STUDY OF THE CCAP, BLANTYRE SYNOD

I am doing the cover design and we would like to use either the picture called:
St Michael and All Angels Church facade, Blantyre, Malawi.JPG or St Michael and All Angels Church.JPG wich you made availabel on wikipedia. Excellent shots may I say.

You make these pictures available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. Which is wonderful. I am also a person who loves the Creative commons idea as well as the open source world. 

Since the Book is a PhD Thesis the copyright can not be given over to a share alike license. So we could only use your picture if you give us the right to do so. We have no problem giving popper attribution and credit to you for supplying the pictures.

We are intending to print about 200-400 copies of the book over time. The market is not very big as it is an academic work. 

So our humble question is would you be so kind and give us permission to use the pictures on the cover of the book. It would be wonderful if we could do that and it would help us a great deal.

Please be so kind and answer me on mjung@acadsa.co.za

Manfred Jung
managing Director
AcadSA Publishing
Tel +27 11 976 4044
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==DYK for St Michael and All Angels Church, Blantyre, Malawi==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[St Michael and All Angels Church, Blantyre, Malawi]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''{{T:TDYK|St Michael and All Angels Church, Blantyre, Malawi|your nomination's entry}}''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! --[[User:TitanOne|TitanOne]] ([[User talk:TitanOne|talk]]) 13:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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:[[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 18:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

::Just wanted to say the photos of the church provided are very impressive. very delightful article. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 19:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

SORRY  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Babiesloverabies|Babiesloverabies]] ([[User talk:Babiesloverabies|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Babiesloverabies|contribs]]) 19:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== DYK for Electronic gear-shifting system  ==

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== Just passing through ==
[[File:Troy Gas Light Company, Gasholder House, Jefferson Street & Fifth Avenue, Troy (Rensselaer County, New York).jpg|thumb|You want an update of this?]]
Noticed your recent edit to [[Troy, New York]] and, seeing that you weren't a regular editor, went to check out your user page. Surprised to find you're one of the founders of MapInfo. Not sure how long you were there, but I just want to say that MapInfo has done some great things for public education around here. I was in the New Visions engineering/science class a while back and you guys (when you were still MapInfo) were nice enough to bring us around the HQ and show us what you do. Then you floored me when I heard [[Tech Valley High School|TVHS]] would be moving in... for free. I was able to take a tour of the school last year (I'm on a local school board and we send three students there) and it was more than fantastic; wish I had that for high school when I was still in school. Just wanted to offer a sincere and completely random thank you to you and the company. And if you weren't there at that point, just know that MapInfo did some good things for local public education. And thanks. '''[[User:UpstateNYer|<span style="color:darkred">upstate</span>]][[User talk:UpstateNYer|<span style="color:darkblue">NYer</span>]]''' 16:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually just finished snow blowing and we apparently have a couple more days of the white stuff ahead of us. No complaints here though; I got an unheard-of snow day because [[Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory|safety is our #1 priority]]... and we've only gotten like 10 inches the entire winter (not counting this). Anyway, I assume you want a more modern photo of the one I just posted here. Can do. Would you like me to wait until summer or does it not matter what season it's taken in? I typically don't do any photography in the winter unless its relevant to the subject. If you're ever in need of photos, let me know, or you can leave a request at WP:NYCD's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Capital District/Image Requests|image request page]]. '''[[User:UpstateNYer|<span style="color:darkred">upstate</span>]][[User talk:UpstateNYer|<span style="color:darkblue">NYer</span>]]''' 18:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Westwood rim ==
Thanks, got the whole set! May do disc-specific rim? [[User:Moebiusuibeom-en|Moebiusuibeom-en]] ([[User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en|talk]]) 15:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

:OK, Disc-specific and Deep V, both in alloy, witch will show different wall thicknesses, that should cover it all, but i have to fit it in my schedule and it may take a month or so!

::''... gotcha!''  Added three pics to the [[bicycle wheel]] article, Andrew, if you think, we could remove the Westwood rim since its in the [[Westwood rim]] article already.

== countersteering reply ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Countersteering&curid=1248816&diff=348992526&oldid=348981007 your reply] broke up the original message. In other words, it's hard to tell that it's ABABABAB, it could be ABCBDBEB, where you are 'B'. Can you refactor your reply so it doesn't happen in the middle of the original? [[User:Tedder|tedder]] ([[User talk:Tedder|talk]]) 16:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Aerial photography by Kite ==

I don't know why you have black listed my page about History aerial photography.
It's not only for have a link... But it' a real work about this subject !!
The link is : http://www.wokipi.com/decouverte/aerialpicture.html
Thanks to see the link befor to delete it !!  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kitegibsongirl|Kitegibsongirl]] ([[User talk:Kitegibsongirl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kitegibsongirl|contribs]]) 14:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I have removed the link you added to [[solar balloon]] again as link spam per [[Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided]] item #1 "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article." I have looked at the site again and, besides it being written in poor English, I do not see any content that shouldn't be in the article instead. Please do not add the link again. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 14:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sprint rims ==

"Sprint" is a "British and international" name for tubular rims, in ther USA rims for tubulars are nameless!

Cheers – [[User:Moebiusuibeom-en|Moebiusuibeom-en]] ([[User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en|talk]]) 14:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:Hey Andrew – Here catalogue of Raleigh North America clearly describes Tubular rims as Sprint Rims → [http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/catalogs/Raleigh-Catalog-1973.pdf Raleigh-Catalog],  it is also used sparingly in old american catalogues, perhaps it may be a forgotten term. Also remember being in France and Spain and having heard them referred to it as Jantes and Llantas “Sprint”, anyway, it's straightened up already. Regards – [[User:Moebiusuibeom-en|Moebiusuibeom-en]] ([[User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en|talk]]) 16:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

::'''Hey Andrew''', how you doing, in regards to the [[Tubular tyre]] article, the brits call them “Tubs”, not Tub, a Tub is a Bathing Tub! I wouldn't call it a slang, Tubs are part of their vernacular just as sew–ups in the US, and furthermore, Tubular tires fit “Sprint rims”, there is no such thing as Tubular rims, “Sprint rims” is what it is written in every technical publication “'''directed to the international market'''”!, (which I believe there isn't many). “Clinchers” is also a very American term and the correct name is “Wired–on” and lastly, “tire” is the word that should be used. (Tubular tyre → Tubular tire)

::''All of these little details would conform to Internacionalism, subdue Regionalism, and bring consonance and harmony with all  English Speaking Folk!'' —  [[User:Moebiusuibeom-en|Moebiusuibeom-en]] ([[User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en|talk]]) 14:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:::'''Hey''', i may sound sarcastic, critical, or harsh myself, but we are all learning and it′s fun, we just got to keep open minded!

:::I wouldn't rely too much on manufacturers or advertisers on word nomenclatures, concentrating on writers and professionals in the field may be a better idea, we just got to get the references in order, a lot of terminology has also been lost by being out of usage, “Sprint” for example never made it to the US as it did in the rest of the world, Brits being also giant exporters of bikes, and  Schwinn bikes dominating the Americam market, though we did get “Roadsters” with “Westwood” rims and “North Road” handlebars, and folks then threwed them out for mountain bikes with flat bars, and now these vintage heavy weights are back cause they make sense in the urbe, terminologies do come back too!

:::You are right about Tub, just thought people bought them in pairs!

:::And tubular rims, rims are not tubular, tires are tubular, and they fit Sprint rims, or rims made for tubulars, its just that the original wording has not been globalized, rims made for tubulars either dont have a name and if they do in the “English parlance”, they are referred to “Sprint”! [[colloquialism]]s may referr them in many diferent ways!

:::Check this article from respected cycling author Hilary Stone, →  http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/designs/hs-fiamme.html  ''(which by the way should be included in article as reference)'' she refers to rims for Tubulars as they themselves being a — box section that is essentially a tube — and — sprint rims for tubular tyres — , so  tubular rim may after all not be all wrong,  are we not gona fight about that, naaa, lets just keep contents encyclopedic!, or is it “encyclopaedic”

:::Got to get back to work, “Happy Cycling dude”  – [[User:Moebiusuibeom-en|Moebiusuibeom-en]] ([[User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en|talk]]) 14:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)  (I'll be temporarily offline)

::::''...by the way, working on a tubular and clincher  (wired–on) tire illustrations!'' [[User:Moebiusuibeom-en|Moebiusuibeom-en]] ([[User talk:Moebiusuibeom-en|talk]]) 15:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== Checking Hits ==

How do you check how many hits an article gets?  Thanks.  [[User:Ebikeguy|Ebikeguy]] ([[User talk:Ebikeguy|talk]]) 23:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks! [[User:Ebikeguy|Ebikeguy]] ([[User talk:Ebikeguy|talk]]) 23:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

==WikiProject Motorcycling in Wikipedia Signpost ==
The April 12 [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Wikipedia Signpost]] is going to feature the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling|Motorcycling project]].  Would you like to add your answers to any or all of the questions over [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews|on the interview page]]? --[[User:Dbratland|Dbratland]] ([[User talk:Dbratland|talk]]) 01:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Bridgestone Fork Inquiry ==

Andrew,  where did you find the trailing link fork on your bridgestone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Suspension_fork.JPG

Am very interested to know what it is and if you have other details or resources to which you would point me.

Respectfully,

Patrick Michael Hayes
paddy@pacific.net

What do the four tildes mean?

[[Special:Contributions/209.232.103.107|209.232.103.107]] ([[User talk:209.232.103.107|talk]]) 23:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

: On the way from Kampala to Murchison Falls in Uganda. I think the town name was Masindi, but I'm not sure. I wish I had more details, but I just saw it in passing, took one picture, and never guessed that I wouldn't be able to find a thing about it on the Internet afterwards. I'm pretty sure the bike was a Bridgestone, you can just see the lower left corner of their logo on the head tube, but I cannot tell what the model name is on the down tube. Sorry. The four tildes automatically sign your posting. - [[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 12:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== phoenix crankset ==

Hello Andrew,
I saw the pic of your phoenix crankset on the crankset wikipedia site.  I really want one as well and I am curious as to where you purchased it, I cant seem to find them.

: I found it in Uganda. I believe the bike was made in India.
: These guys might have something or know more: http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainwheel.html -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 12:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Stronger Chain  ==

Hello Andrew, Will find a reference as requested.  I've made some edits as part of an assignment I'm doing, so thanks for the feedback!  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hjd10|Hjd10]] ([[User talk:Hjd10|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hjd10|contribs]]) 20:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

[[Touring bicycle]]  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hjd10|Hjd10]] ([[User talk:Hjd10|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hjd10|contribs]]) 20:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== capsize question ==

Hello Andrew,

I was interestingly watching the bifurcation diagram of a motorcycle you made with matlab.
It states that the capsize mode occurs at higher velocity than weave or wobble. I think that the capsize also occurs when standing still (very low speed). That is a detail. What I was actually interested in is the parameters you used. I have also made a motorcycle model with matlab, and to validate it, i have to show the different modes. the problem for me is that capsize always dominates. I tried increasing trail, differen fork offset, higher tire lateral stiffness, and so on. But one eigenvalue is always positive, so without a steering control torque (feed back from the camber angle), the motor always capsize, and never shows weave or wobble. Is it possible to stabilize capsize with just the geometry, and not with a controller?

Thanks for your contribution to my knowledge. I hope to hear from you. You can reach me at w.ooms@student.tue.nl

yours cincerely,

Wesley  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.155.67.92|131.155.67.92]] ([[User talk:131.155.67.92|talk]]) 14:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Center of mass ==

Hello Andrew, today you reverted my edits to [[Center of mass]].  The edits I made were in response to the latest discussions on [[Talk:Center of mass]].  I would appreciate it if you participated in the discussion on the Talk page.  Many thanks. [[User:Dolphin51|<font color="green">''Dolphin''</font>]] ''([[User talk:Dolphin51|<font color="blue">t</font>]])'' 00:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for fixing that link over at [[Talk:Newton's laws of motion]], and especially for removing my comment after fixing the link. I didn't know what to make of it at the time, and I am glad it turned out to be nothing. Perhaps, in the future I will look more carefully at links and see if they can be fixed or whatever. ----[[User:Steve Quinn|Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X)]] ([[User talk:Steve Quinn|talk]]) 00:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== re: eddy currents ==

That doesn't seem to be a reliable source.

The thing is, I'm pretty sure they've linearised the equation.

The equation for eddy current power has a square law on the frequencies and the frequencies generated by the magnet are proportional to the relative speed. Since energy is force times distance, power is force times speed, and hence the force should be a square law. However, there's a second effect due to skin depth which comes into play at high frequencies that is inversely proportional to the square root of speed that reduces the power dissipated.

The source is therefore pretty dubious.- <small>[[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|''Wolfkeeper'']]</small> 00:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

:Replied on [[Talk:Dashpot|dashpot talk page]] -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 02:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

==Classical mechanics articles==
A discussion which started out with a merger proposal at
[[Talk:Dynamics (mechanics)#Merger_Analytical_dynamics_and_Dynamics|Merger Analytical dynamics and Dynamics]] on the talk page of ''Dynamics (mechanics)'' has evolved into  streamlining the articles listed in the Classical mechanics template, from the top of the heirarchy down. This includes various types of editing such as merging and getting rid of repitious material. [[User:Sanpaz]] intends to begin this task on the Classical mechanics talk page. Anyway, after writing all that (phew!) I invite you to join us in this undertaking if you have time, and the inclination. Thanks ----[[User:Steve Quinn|Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X)]] ([[User talk:Steve Quinn|talk]]) 03:53, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


==Billy Shope==

Hi Andrew could you work WITH billy rather than just reverting? he knows more about suspensions than most people. Cheers [[User:Greglocock|Greglocock]] ([[User talk:Greglocock|talk]]) 05:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

:He probably knows more than me, and I have no problem working with him, but I don't have a copy of the book he cites, so I can't decode what he wrote. "It is first necessary to determine the tangent of a line drawn, in side view, through the front tire patch and the front suspension instant center" is pretty much jibberish. I can guess that he means the [[Tangent (trigonometric function)]], but he doesn't specify an angle, which the tangent function requires. He didn't indicate in the edit summary why he made the change he did, what error he was correcting, or what improvement he was adding, so I didn't see an alternative to reverting. If you can put his text back in along with the missing words, that would be great. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 13:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Classical_mechanics_task_force ==

[[Talk:Classical_mechanics#Classical_mechanics_task_force]]

== Lake Scott State Park ==
Thank you for taking them time to check my DYK nomination for [[Lake Scott State Park]] and for checking the text as it was written compared to the source. It are correct. It was very similar to the reference. I have made some changes that I feel should do the job. Thanks again. [[User:Dincher|Dincher]] ([[User talk:Dincher|talk]]) 21:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
<s>:Could you take a look at this article again and see if your concerns have been addressed? Thank you. [[User:Dincher|Dincher]] ([[User talk:Dincher|talk]]) 22:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)</s>
::Nevermind, it's been approved. [[User:Dincher|Dincher]] ([[User talk:Dincher|talk]]) 00:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

== Link spam ==
Dear Andrew,

I was quite surprised when I realized you removed my educational links from the Wikipedia website, while many useless external links are almost everywhere. The link I provided on Copulas is one of the few 
resources where students can learn about this new emerging topic. 

You removed my link to "tail dependence"; please take your time and search online see how many educational topics do you find on this mathematical topic. I don't think you will find any useful short article. 

Also, I see that you removed my lecture notes from the GIS page while links to useless associations and companies are there. 

I only added those links since I have seen many desperate students who alway look for an answer in Wikipedia. I think instead of linking people to associations/organizations, it is better to provide links that serve Wikipedia mission of public education. 

Thanks - [[User:Amir9a|Amir9a]] ([[User talk:Amir9a|talk]]) 00:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:If you have some useful information to contrubute to these articles, by all means please add it. However, merely adding links to your web site is a form of [[Wikipedia:Self-promotion#Self-promotion|self-promotion]] and against Wikipedia policy, as I tried to explained in my original message on your talk page. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 00:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

==DYK for Bicycle tire==
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== You are now a Reviewer ==

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==DYK for Wheelie bike==
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== Role of spinning (and sliding) parts in motorcycle stability ==

Somewhere I read your description on how gyroscopic stability couldn't apply to a stationary standing motorcycle because it is fixed in yaw.

Here are two ideas on that topic which you might not like because they came out of my head, not out of a book.  In a theoretical sense, yes your argument is right, but in the real situation of a standing motorcycle, it is not perfectly fixed in yaw.  There is some elasticity in the tires, and more importantly, the steering angle has some freedom to change which would allow the frame of the bike to yaw a little.

What may be more significant than gyroscopic effects are the Coriolis forces on the pistons.  Often when we consider Coriolis accelerations, it is in the context of a massive body turning at a fixed rate, like the earth, and we consider the forces and accelerations only on the smaller body, ignoring those on the larger body because it has so much inertia that it will continue to turn at the same rate.  If we imagine a motorcycle tipping over, the engine block will impart Coriolis forces on the pistons.  In this case, the equal and opposite forces on the engine block are probably significant. [[User:Paulgush|Paulgush]] ([[User talk:Paulgush|talk]]) 16:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== velo vie ==

Trying to meet your needs. Please review and see if I have added enough as it is a work in progress and a learning experience for me  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dbarnes13|Dbarnes13]] ([[User talk:Dbarnes13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dbarnes13|contribs]]) 00:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Butterfly Bars Picture ==

Hi Could you tell me were you could possible buy brake levers like the ones you have pictured on the trekking bars. Mark  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chemistorge|Chemistorge]] ([[User talk:Chemistorge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chemistorge|contribs]]) 15:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Sorry, but I cannot find a source. The one pair I had came on a new Schwinn Criss Cross, like the one pictured [http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.craigslist.org/3ne3ma3pc5Y25O55Q0a7c645a551d17031618.jpg&imgrefurl=http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/bik/1839136246.html&usg=___HeGdTFxEAtWicrMhjpVjo4raLg=&h=225&w=300&sz=10&hl=en&start=19&zoom=1&tbnid=tJy_mnP3i5DyYM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=171&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dschwinn%2Bcriss%2Bcross%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1242%26bih%3D620%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=316&ei=gDdvTNncIOnnnQej8sF2&oei=cDdvTIKFDMGengeNl5TTBw&esq=3&page=2&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:19&tx=52&ty=51 here]. Good luck, -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 02:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==RockShox==
Hi. Thanks for your help with the pictures in the articles relating to bicycles. Could you pls have a quick look at my article about [[RockShox]]? I am not a native English speaker. [[User:Keanu|Keanu]] ([[User talk:Keanu|talk]]) 10:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:Looks good. I made a couple of minor tweaks. -[[User:AndrewDressel|AndrewDressel]] ([[User talk:AndrewDressel#top|talk]]) 12:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Motorcycle Sidecar ==

Thank you for cleaning up my attempts to clarify "motorcycle sidecar." I bumbled a bit trying to establish the footnote #2. I'm not very good, yet, at this Wiki-editing, but interested in contibuting to the subject I know probably know best, motorcycles (over 40 years) and sidecars (36 yrs.) Experience is with almost all marques, but mainly antique Harley-Davidsons and Indians, and particularly assymetrical tripod motor vehicles, my name for sidecars. I'm a regular on CAIMag dot com forum, dispensing advice as I can to others of similar disposition.
I see that there is apparently a steep learning curve to become an accomplished Wikipedia editor, and am not sure I want to become that engaged in the voluntary pursuit, but the motorcycle group has piqued my interest. Is there progression of tutorial pages you could recommend for someone like me, to be able to make contributions and possibly edits, without dedicating my life to it?
Thank you for yor time and attention. --[[User:Sargehere|Sargehere]] ([[User talk:Sargehere|talk]]) 20:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Sargehere, Florida

Yo Andrew, thanks for the heads-up.  I'll simply refer this and similar to donor and admin. organizations together with my comments. Probably more effective anyway...
Cheers [[User:Semperlibre|Semperlibre]] ([[User talk:Semperlibre|talk]]) 21:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== motorcycle front kinematics question ==

Dear Andrew,

I am interested in Motorcycle Dynamics,
although not fully educated and qualified into this subject.
This is also my first post in Wikipedia,
so I hope not to spoil anything here.

My question in particular :
Having a righted motorcycle front,
with ε caster angle, we turn the handlebar at δ ,
so the front turns at Δ kinematic steering angle,
and tilts at β angle.
What is the β=β(ε,δ) expression?

I made a reference at Cossalter's "Motorcycle Dynamics",
where at p.9 I found : sin β =  sin α * sin δ

but coping myself with the trigonometry I came to 
sin β = sin ε * sin δ 

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[[User:Twowheelsbg|Twowheelsbg]] ([[User talk:Twowheelsbg|talk]]) 11:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
--[[User:Twowheelsbg|Twowheelsbg]] ([[User talk:Twowheelsbg|talk]]) 11:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== User talk ==


Yo Andrew,

Be it known I'm not comfortable with lies and self-serving distortions spread via any Wiki media [or any media at all, for that matter]!

It's damaging to those who had the courage and vision to commit themselves to an enterprise they would prefer remain honest, doncha think?  Or are you suggesting that publications such as "The Lancet" or "Nature" allow their pages to be taken over by quacks and others of that ilk?   

Also there are too many know-it-alls who, though demonstrably knowing werry little of their subject matter, take issue and umbrage with any who dare challenge their pet theories. Those persons I do too enjoy ridiculing! 

By the way, have you read any enjoyable "Keith Code" publications lately or indeed, ever?

I certainly am not going to hide my opinions of misrepresentations and falsehood in a place to which only few biased characters have access. 

It's my firm practice that when something is seen to be wrong, that wrong must be publicly exposed - not discussed in a non-transparent manner in a non-transparent venue. It's not what we do in a democracy hmmmmmm!

And there is something very wrong with a policy which permits any nonsense to be openly displayed but doesn't enjoy having objections and protests accorded similar rights! 

Using a bit of hyperbole to drive the point home - such a situation is reminiscent of ol' Adolf's/uncle Joseph's jackbooted troops swiftly hustling dissidents away from public forums. "Only approved persons are allowed to pass remarks or make comments here!"  

Cheers

[[User:Semperlibre|Semperlibre]] ([[User talk:Semperlibre|talk]]) 22:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)