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==Story start==
It is excluded that the story takes places 14 years after the plot of Ginga Nagareboshi Gin / Silver Fang. Ben and other old dogs are still alive in the story, when they were not young even in the antecedent story either. Dogs do not live 20-25 years, I am convinced that something has been misinterpreted as for years.i the mang it was only 2 years

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'''THIS IS THE PROOF FOR THE DOG BREEDS'''
http://www.geocities.com/lisaferret/wikipekidaPROOFjpeg.jpg
I'm sorry if you don't understand Japanese; ask someone to read it for you.
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This is confirmed.
*Sakura - Kishu Mix
*Reika - Akita Mix
*Smith - French Spaniel Mix
*Blue - Beacureon Mix
*Hiro - Great Pyrenees

I can try and scan pages from my Japanese dog book that has the kanji, as well as English translations of the names if needed.
The above scan is not mine, but I've got a book on different breeds that has the English translations of various breed names.
The breeds are all correct.
Yougurt, from GingaSite, also knows this, and the 'Sakura as Akita' is another rumor started by the fanbase, same as the rumor that Weed's siblings 'Joo' ('Joe', actually) was a female, as well as the Moss-Ben connection.
[[User:HarukoZuko|HarukoZuko]] 20:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:Was it you who scanned the photos above your comment, Haruko? It isn't signed, and I assume it was you since you said you would do such. The reason I ask is that, on the [Ginga Densetsu Weed] page, there is a site (GingaOnline.net) that is used as a source and disagrees with the scans.([[User:Foxpen|Foxpen]] 00:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC))

Sorry, Foxpen. I'm (Mizzkie) the one who took the pics from the official book that has the breeds of Sakura, Smith, Reika, Blue, Hiro, etc, but I forgot(actually I didn't know how) to sign my name on it. As for the site you mentioned, I took a look at it, and it had very many errors (ex:Kagetora's brother is NOT called Hentai *blinks*) so I wouldn't trust it. After all, it's a FANsite, not official. It's not wise to believe everything on a fansite unless they are using official information given to us by Takahashi-sensei and/or books/manga/anime.

::Hentai is the name of one of Jerome's followers according to that site, but that's not the point...I wasn't endorsing that site, as it were; rather, I was subtly suggesting it be rebuked as a source for the Ginga wikipages -because- of its errors. Since the scan you gave is from an official booklet, the site is clearly wrong. I was going to suggest different sites be cited, but decided that was for a different talk page ((rather, the [Ginga Densetsu Weed] talk page)). I...unfortunately got sidetracked and never got around to posting it.
But yes, that site is in no way trustable.
([[User:Foxpen|Foxpen]] 01:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC))


:For other Ginga/WEED arguments, please take a look at my page. I do appologise for constantly saying "official proof" while not uploading more pics. In Japan(where I live) it is against the law to upload pictures/fanart without the author's permission, so I'm not allowed to take pictures for proof. But since so many people are especially unnotified of certain characters' breeds, I have uploaded a photo of the proof.[[User:MIZZKIE|MIZZKIE]] 09:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked, but I also have an art book that clearly states that Hiro is a Saint Bernard, in ENGLISH, and Yougurt, owner of GingaSite.net, has that book you have as well, and her translators, which are making translations of the manga as we speak, say that's not what it says. On the GingaSite character list, they are listed as the breeds I put down. [[User:DameGreyWulf|DameGreyWulf]] 

Here is a picture that proves Hiro is a Saint Bernard. You can barely make it out, so typed it out for you. ([http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3762/hiroproofku6.png Picture] scanned by p3ntavus) 
And it is stated in the manga that Smith is an English Setter. There's no two ways about it.
[[User:DameGreyWulf|DameGreyWulf]]

Hiro: I have that book too. Those breed errors annoys me.
Smith: Excuse me; where in the manga? What volume (I only have the first edition), and what page? I don't remember Smith's breed being mentioned.[[User:MIZZKIE|MIZZKIE]] 07:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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"I can confirm that foxpen's picture calls Hiro a Great Pyranees. So yeah, the art book is wrong. O_O Blame it on the printers. 
It also calls Blue a Beauceron; Blue does not look like one of these, and they are very rare outside of France, but that is what the kanji says, and so we have to take Takahashi's word for it.
So let's all shut up about the breeds now."

-waves white flag- [[User:DameGreyWulf|DameGreyWulf]]

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[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 20:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


==Issues?==

Who exactly decides what these issues are, anyway?
Is the plot summary really that long? How does it need an "expert?" And...what cleanup does it need? [[User:Zekiw|Zekiw]] ([[User talk:Zekiw|talk]]) 01:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:Experienced editors, like myself.  It needs an expert from the project as it greatly violates the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles)|Anime and manga MOS]], is missing extremely basic information as well as other important sections, is badly formated, and is has no references, among many other problems. An expert from the project knows how to address the issues, and can recognize many of the issues that a tag can not sufficiently describe. [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 03:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

::Well...what  specifically should be changed, then? I'm more than willing to help edit it in whatever way it needs. I wrote most of the plot summary. I love this series, so I'll do what needs to be done. XD What things need references? [[User:Zekiw|Zekiw]] ([[User talk:Zekiw|talk]]) 03:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:::The plot needs to be shortened, significantly.  It should be a summary, providing the major plot points, not a blow by blow.  The character sections also need shortening, with descriptions generally limited to two sentences. Please see the MOS I've linked to above for a fuller discussion on how sections should be arranged and to see what information is missing.  For references, anything other than plot, its name, and its author need to be referenced with in the article, with the lead section providing a summary of the article contents. [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 04:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==Article name==
I've fixed the article name, as someone inappropriately renamed it in December.  This particular Ginga series was licensed by the now defunct ComicsOne, and three volumes released.  Per the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles)|MOS]], the article should use the official English name, which is ''Ginga Legend Weed''. [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 03:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==Seperation==
I think we should make a seperate article for the anime and manga. They are quite different in storyline and characters, and trying to push the two together makes it confusing and messy. As a bonus, we could add more about the production process. --[[User:DameGreyWulf|DameGreyWulf]] ([[User talk:DameGreyWulf|talk]]) 05:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right now, that is not necessary.  Many other anime and manga have very different versions, and we rarely split them.  The focus is on the main - the manga, and differences noted, in a subsection if the differences are substantial. [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 06:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

::Well the focus is split here, it has an anime synopsis, then a very long list of characters with anime-only characteristics, and then characters with large descriptions with manga-only characteristics. I dunno, it seemed really messy to me. --[[User:DameGreyWulf|DameGreyWulf]] ([[User talk:DameGreyWulf|talk]]) 00:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:::That is an unfortunately part of the article that needs cleaning, not a sign that it should be split. It should focus on the manga, but due to its lack of complete release, it is difficult for most people do much editing.  The character list is entirely too long, though, and needs to be cut down to the main characters, with the "manga only" ones put into the appropriate section above (which all need renaming). The article needs a lot of work. [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

==Jaguar==
Jaguar is listed under the manga-only character section. However, doesn't he appear in the anime as well (albeit he has no speaking parts). I believe it is Jaguar who accompanies Moss in episode 18 of the anime. [[User:Wolface|Wolface]] ([[User talk:Wolface|talk]]) 04:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, that is not Jaguar. That is Musashi. Jaguar is dark brown. --[[Special:Contributions/12.206.2.162|12.206.2.162]] ([[User talk:12.206.2.162|talk]]) 07:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

 
== wilson? ==
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this goes along with the jaguar thing. the charter dosn't talk  and is not important to the story. rember wilson from the old GNG serese? is he in Gingas densetsu weed? in one epasode when there taking to rocket about why the old man "carl" took off if you look behind weeds head you can see a collie. wilson was a collie. the collie appered in one other epasode but remanded nameless. what i'm wondering is, is that collie wilson?



I think we're assuming that's NOT Wilson, because if it were, I imagine someone would have said something, like 'loldude I knew your father,' as every other old dog did. [[User:Zekiw|Zekiw]] ([[User talk:Zekiw|talk]]) 16:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

:He was Wilson in GDW manga (even said to Weed that he looks like Gin is younger days) but his character sheet doesn't have a name. - [[User:Nawulf|Nawulf]] ([[User talk:Nawulf|talk]]) 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

==GDWO merged with GDW, absolutely not==
GDWO is a different series, and that's that. You don't go merging GDW with GNG, do you. - [[User:Nawulf|Nawulf]] ([[User talk:Nawulf|talk]]) 15:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Why shouldn't ''Ginga Legend Weed'' and ''Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin'' be merged? Simply stating "they shouldn't be" isn't going to cut it - are there major differences in their plot and characters? The fact that they are sequels only strengthens the merge argument. This same question should be asked when considering a merge of ''Ginga Densetsu Weed: Orion'' back here. <span style=white-space:nowrap>「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style=color:#00f>ダイノ<span style=color:#080>ガイ]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style=color:#F90>千？！]]」<sup>[[Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
No it shouldn't. They are both a completely different series. The characters may be the same but the plots are different and new characters are added as with GNG. [[User:Ratkinzluver33|Ratkinzluver33]] ([[User talk:Ratkinzluver33|talk]]) 22:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

== Review(s) ==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2010-12-02 ANN Jason Thompson]

--[[User:KrebMarkt|KrebMarkt]] ([[User talk:KrebMarkt|talk]]) 19:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

== GDWO Merge ==

The merge tag has been in place for awhile, and I feel it's finally time to settle it. I personally will vote '''Merge'''. The manga has not been released outside of Japan (that I'm aware of; perhaps Taiwan has it) and carries little merit at this point. While the ''Ginga Legend Weed'' article has some reception (and I'm in the process of finding more), GDWO has absolutely none. Seeing as this article can carry the sequel without problem, I don't see the need for two articles. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 00:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:Additionally, I have decided to propose a merge of [[Ginga Densetsu Riki]] for the same reasons as GDWO. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 03:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

:I vote for giving GDWO its own article back because as [[user:Ratkinzluver33|Ratkinzluver33]] said: "''they are both a completely different series. The characters may be the same but the plots are different and new characters are added.''" - [[User:Nawulf|Nawulf]] ([[User talk:Nawulf|talk]]) 20:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

::But is it notable? Does it have enough out-of-universe content to stand as its own article? See [[WP:N]]. There are a few new characters and the plot is different, but do notice that GDW itself never had on ongoing plot. It was a conglomerate of different arcs. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 21:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

==Citation needed?==
"''Takahashi began serializing Ginga Legend Riki (銀牙伝説リキ?, lit. Silver Fang Legend Riki), a prequel to Ginga Legend Weed and Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin, in the Weed-centric magazine Weed World, published by Nihon Bungeisha.<sup>'''[citation needed]'''</sup>''" What kind of citation is needed there? I have the Weed World magazines so I could help. - [[User:Nikukei|Nikukei]] ([[User talk:Nikukei|talk]]) 18:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:It would be amazing if you could! For that particular sentence, it's for Nihon Bungeisha being the publisher, and could be easily provided by a journal citation: <ref>{{cite journal| last = | first = | author-link = | last2 = | first2 = | author2-link = | title = | journal = | volume = | issue = | pages = | date = | origyear =| year = | month =| language = | url = }}</ref>
:If something doesn't apply, feel free to leave it blank. Also, would you by any chance know the dates that ''Ginga Legend Riki'' was serialized in the magazine? Thank you! [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 20:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here are the scans of the content pages of each of the five magazines: http://img101.imageshack.us/g/kuva620.jpg/ Publishing year is 2002, magazines came out few months apart each, featured a chapter of GDR in each of them &ndash; and are indeed published by Nihonbungeisha. GDR's bound book came out [http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4361/kuva625.jpg 7th March 2003] and the re-issue [http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2715/kuva627.jpg 10th December 2007]. Hopefully this helps! - [[User:Nikukei|Nikukei]] ([[User talk:Nikukei|talk]]) 20:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:::This helps immensely! Thank you (again)! [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 23:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

==Pachinko image==
The [[:fi:Ginga Densetsu Weed|Finnish article]] has a copyright-free photo of the pachinko machine, it would be nice here too. - [[User:Nikukei|Nikukei]] ([[User talk:Nikukei|talk]]) 20:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks for alerting me to the image. It seems like it would be a nice addition here. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 23:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)