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== Overlink ==

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This template has the habit of linking common terms and expressions given certain common parameters, such as [[President]], [[Prime Minister]], [[Monarch]] and [[Governor]] contrary to [[WP:OVERLINK]]. — [[User:Blue-Haired Lawyer|Blue-Haired Lawyer]] <sup>[[User talk:Blue-Haired Lawyer|t]]</sup> 20:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
*{{diff|Template:Infobox former country/sandbox|470628217|470627950|Here's the diff}}. Changes demonstrated on [[Template:Infobox former country/testcases|testcases page]]. The changes only made a difference on the [[Template:Infobox former country/testcases#Tanganyika|Tanganyika infobox]]. — [[User:Blue-Haired Lawyer|Blue-Haired Lawyer]] <sup>[[User talk:Blue-Haired Lawyer|t]]</sup> 15:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
== Multiple dates of start and end ==

Since there are former countries that existed multiple times, like [[Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic]] (1923 – 1940; 1956 – 1991) or Chechen-Inguish ASSR (1936 – 1944; 1957 – 1990), the template doesn't work in those. Can anyone find a solution? --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]][[User talk:Pudeo|']] 04:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I found a cheap solution just by adding the former date next to the earlier with <nowiki><br/>1956–1991</nowiki>. But that won't fix the flag succession problem. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]][[User talk:Pudeo|']] 04:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
== Status text box controversies: proposal for RfC on whether to keep or remove the status text ==

The status text box has become a subject of controversy at [[Talk:East Germany]] by a number of users, including me. The status text is typically used to say that a certain state or territory was a [[client state]], [[protectorate]], or [[vassal state]] of another - while including such material in the article is acceptable, the inclusion of this in the status text box has caused serious problems. 
*'''Number (1):''' the status text box assumes that the categorization of such states and territories is simple, when it is very complex in [[international relations]]; 
*'''Number (2):''' the status text box is too small to allow for explanation of the status, and implies that the status is a completely accepted fact, when it may not be - or as indicated in Number (1), it may be more complex than that.
*'''Number (3):''' in addition to it assuming simplicity of international relations and it being too small to allow for explanation, it is a potentially unnecessary repetition of a statement that could be made in the intro with additional statements as evidence for it.
I could probably identify more problems if I thought more about it, but these are the three major problems with the status text. I support the removal of the status text box from the infobox. However I support having an RfC on the matter, I would appreciate it if an administrator could be brought in to organize and draft an appropriate RfC that asks whether users "support" or "oppose" a proposition to remove the status text box for the reasons given above in my statement and other reasons that other users may provide.--[[User:R-41|R-41]] ([[User talk:R-41|talk]]) 02:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:In some cases it is useful, which is why it is an optional field.  Empires and confederations break apart, colonies gain independence, mandates end, etc.  One would expect editors to have sufficient competance not to misuse the field.  [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 05:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:I'm basically in agreement with R-41. I'm more pessimistic than TFD about the competence of editors. It's just too tempting for a single editor to use the field to state as bald fact an assertion which should be qualified with details (and can be in the body of the article). This can lead to complicated, ugly disputes as at [[Talk:East Germany]]. My belief is that the infobox should be used for clear, basic facts like the area, population or dates of a country. [[User:Dingo1729|Dingo1729]] ([[User talk:Dingo1729|talk]]) 18:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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* On consideration I think the real problem here is that the parameter is called "'''status'''" even though it's only meant to be used for colonies. The parameter should be renamed "'''imperial-state-type'''". This would ensure against possible misuse. — [[User:Blue-Haired Lawyer|Blue-Haired Lawyer]] <sup>[[User talk:Blue-Haired Lawyer|t]]</sup> 16:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
*:It looks like there's a variety of views about this, but there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus. I'll deactivate {{tl|editprotected}} for now. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 02:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
== Number of entries ==

Is this limited? I entered more than 9 leaders in [[Kingdom of Pontus]] but it is only recognising the first 9 --[[User:Mgoodyear|Michael Goodyear]] ([[User talk:Mgoodyear|talk]]) 21:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
== Edit request: Commonwealths as a form of Republic ==

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The term [[Commonwealth]] is (as its article explains) often used to describe a kind of [[republic]], but in contexts where the use of the word "Republic" in the <code>government_type</code> field would be inaccurate and controversial (such as [[The Protectorate]]).

As such, after line 182:

 <nowiki>  |Republic|Federal Republic|Federal republic=[[Republic]]
 {{#if:{{{_noautocat|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}|| [[Category:Former republics|{{{common_name}}}, {{{year_start}}}]]}}</nowiki>

, in the <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{government_type|}}}|{{#switch:{{ucfirst:{{{government_type}}}}}</nowiki></code> section, please add a new line reading:

 <nowiki>  |Commonwealth|[[Commonwealth]]=[[Commonwealth]]
 {{#if:{{{_noautocat|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}|| [[Category:Former republics|{{{common_name}}}, {{{year_start}}}]]}}</nowiki>

(I've wrapped both instances of this text for legibility, there should be a single space, rather than a line break in the middle.) This will enable the text {{tq|[[Commonwealth]]}} to be displayed in these instances, but for the article to be added to the category [[:Category:Former republics]] and not to [[:Category:Former country articles requiring maintenance]]. — <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[:en:User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]]</span> ([[:en:User talk:OwenBlacker|Talk]])</span> 22:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

:I'm not so sure... looking at that article, a commonwealth isn't always a type of republic so I'm not getting why you would want to categorise them like that. What about having a separate category for commonwealths, or renaming the category to clarify that it covers both types? [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 07:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
== Apparent formatting problem with caption ==

See the results of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Confederate_States_of_America&diff=485452063&oldid=485311806 this edit]. It seems to me that the caption should be left justified, not centered. I'm not a CSS jock, though, and I'm on the road without my O'Reilly books and without the time to track down info on how to fix this online. Could someone please take a look at it? Thanks. [[User:Wtmitchell|Wtmitchell]]  [[User talk:Wtmitchell|(talk)]] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 04:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
== This template is incorrectly translating English colonies = British colonies ==

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I am a bit horrified to find that Wikipedia is claiming [[Roanoke Colony]] to have been a "British colony" (sic). This is complete pants, as any reliable est ref will tell you.
I have just discovered that it is this template causing the cock-up. It is translating Empire=England into British colony instead of English colony.
The actual article text correctly pipes to the correct article:
* [[English colonial empire]]
Please rectify this fault, as [[WP:VERIFY]] is an official policy here at Wikipedia. --[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] ([[User talk:Mais oui!|talk]]) 17:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

:I also note that it is incorrectly adding [[:Category:Former British colonies]] instead of the correct [[:Category:Former English colonies]].--[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] ([[User talk:Mais oui!|talk]]) 17:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

: {{done}} I have, I believe, made the change the behavior when the "empire" parameter is "England".  These changes seemed straightforward and appear to produce the correct results at [[Roanoke Colony]], let's see if they cock anything else up.  ;-)   If there are other problems, feel free to revert me (if you can), make another request, and/or ask me directly. --[[User:Joe Decker|joe decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup>]] 22:21, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
== Readability, why not <nowiki><OL><LI>...</LI></OL></nowiki>? ==

Using hyphens to bullet events (<nowiki>"- {{{"</nowiki>) makes for poor readability because wrapped text extends all the way to the left of the respective column, obscuring and overpowering the bullet. Is there some reason that unordered (or ordered) lists aren't used for mark-up? Or at least a proper bullet character to stand out more? [[User:Vecrumba|VєсrumЬа]]<small> ►[[User_talk:Vecrumba|TALK]]</small> 17:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
== Remove categorisation? ==

[[WP:TEMPLATECAT]] recommends against using templates to categorise articles. The current situation makes it difficult for editors to properly manually categorise articles. Shouldn't this feature be removed (after direct substitution of the categories in each article)? --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 08:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:Yes please remove. There are often categories generated by it (Former something) that are not correct. [[User:Imperium Romanum Sacrum|Imperium Romanum Sacrum]] ([[User talk:Imperium Romanum Sacrum|talk]]) 01:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

:I am also troubled by the opaque manner in which categories are added using this infobox. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
== Problem ==

There is problem with this template on this page: [[Government of National Salvation]]. I try to fix problem, but one aggressive editor revert my changes all time: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Government_of_National_Salvation&diff=509843731&oldid=509830376]. Problem is that if life span is described in infobox then infobox include this page into categories “States and territories established in 1941” and “States and territories disestablished in 1944”. This page speak about government and not about state or territory. Is there a way to remove this page from wrong categories without remove of  life span from infobox? How this problem can be fixed? [[User:Nemambrata|Nemambrata]] ([[User talk:Nemambrata|talk]]) 15:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
== Suggestion ==

I'm currently working with the article [[Roman Empire]], on which this template appears. I'd like to make two minor suggestions aimed at improving reader-friendliness.

* To mark items in a list that may contain date ranges with an en-dash, the use of the hyphen - instead of a bullet{{·}} is visually confusing. I wonder whether editors would consider using the bullet instead?
* The sections would be less confusing if they employed parallelism of construction: that is, some two-column sections have the dates on the right, and some have the dates on the left. At [[Roman Empire]], I find this very confusing both to read and to attempt to edit.

I'm not at all adept with template syntax, so I would rather not attempt these changes in such a widely used box, both because it might require consensus and because I don't want to screw it up. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 17:47, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
== Life span? ==

'''Life span?''' should be removed as an unfixable parameter.--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 15:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes it should. And what about this page - [[Government of National Salvation]]. that infobox is there, but that article was not country and infobox place it in categories for former countries. is there some better infobox for former government? [[User:Nemambrata|Nemambrata]] ([[User talk:Nemambrata|talk]]) 12:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
== Multiple flags ==

{{Infobox former country/sandbox
| native_name              = ''Nouvelle-Calédonie''
| conventional_long_name   = New Caledonia
| common_name              = New Caledonia
| image_flag               = Flag of New Caledonia.svg
| alt_flag                 = Flag of France
| image_flag2              = Flag of France.svg
| alt_flag2                = FLNKS flag
| flag_type                = Flags of New Caledonia
| image_coat               = Coat of arms of New Caledonia.svg
| symbol_type              = Emblem
| national_motto           = "Terre de parole, terre de partage"<ref name="monde2">[http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2010/08/18/la-nouvelle-caledonie-se-dote-d-un-hymne-et-d-une-devise_1399996_823448.html La Nouvelle-Calédonie se dote d'un hymne et d'une devise - LeMonde.fr]</ref>
| national_anthem          = ''[[Soyons unis, devenons frères]]''<ref name="monde2"/>
| image_map                = New Caledonia in its region (special marker).svg
| capital                  = [[Nouméa]]
| largest_city             = Nouméa
| government_type          = [[Dependent territory]]
| legislature               = [[Congress of New Caledonia|Congress]]
| established_event1       = Annexed by France
| year_start               = 1999
| year_end                 = 2012
| currency                 = [[CFP franc]]
| cctld                    = [[.nc]]
| calling_code             = 687
}}
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Many countries changed their flags over time, so having just one parameter is quite restrictive. [[Template:Infobox country]] can handle more than one flag, even though it deals with a present entity. Is there a simple way to alter the code here to get multiple flags? If not, perhaps the coding from Infobox country can just be copied over to replace the Flag/CoA code here. Seems to produce the same result. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:31, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:I've added this functionality to the sandbox code, see the example of New Caledonia's infobox using it here.  Here's a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_former_country%2Fsandbox&diff=508751154&oldid=470628217 diff] of the changes I've made.  The [[Template:Infobox former country/testcases|testcases]] all seem to be working.  [[User:Danlaycock|TDL]] ([[User talk:Danlaycock|talk]]) 09:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::{{EP|q}} Updating from the sandbox would introduce a few unrelated changes - see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_former_country%2Fsandbox&action=view&diff=508756843 this diff]. Is this intentional? — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 10:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::Marking request as answered for now. Please reactivate the template when you respond. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 11:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
:::No, those are just a consequence of the sandbox not being synced before I made my edits.  I've updated the sandbox so it can just be copy and pasted over to the main template now.  [[User:Danlaycock|TDL]] ([[User talk:Danlaycock|talk]]) 23:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::::{{EP|d}} Ok, I've updated the template now. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 02:54, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Great, thanks!  I've updated the documentation and test cases accordingly.  [[User:Danlaycock|TDL]] ([[User talk:Danlaycock|talk]]) 03:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
::There were also some countries that have used different emblems. Could anyone add Image_coat2 for this? thanks. [[User:Dirrival|Dirrival]] ([[User talk:Dirrival|talk]]) 07:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
== Dutch East Indies ==

Some arcane bug in template language is making this template malfunction when called in page [[Dutch East Indies]]: it makes a line "<nowiki>[[Category:Former colonies|Dutch East Indies, Dutch Empire]]</nowiki>" appear before the infobox. The result seems to depend on the contents of the parameter "empire". [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 11:12, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
: {{fixed|1=[{{canonicalurl:Dutch East Indies|diff=519004528}}  ]}} [[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 11:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

{{clear}}
== Version with linewrap handling ==

Hello. I noticed this template didn't have the same sort of linewrap handling for data following dashes (years or event names) as Infobox country, so I've tried to incorporate it in the version of the template here. If its accepted, I'll revist those pages I've seen with this template where manual attempts have been made to handle linewrapping (e.g. <nowiki>"<br/>{{nbsp|3}}"</nowiki>) and amend accordingly. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.114.240|213.246.114.240]] ([[User talk:213.246.114.240|talk]]) 19:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I've just discovered the "Edit protected" template [...]

To make the edit, the code in this section (everything before the "Hello. I noticed this template..." message) should replace the code the template apart from the final three lines, which should be:<br/>

<nowiki>|}<noinclude></nowiki><br/>

<nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki><br/>
<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki>

Hope that makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.114.240|213.246.114.240]] ([[User talk:213.246.114.240|talk]]) 18:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

:{{EP|d}} I've updated the template. This looks like a big improvement - thank you for your work! I've also removed the template text from your comment above, as it clutters up the page when people are looking at the wikitext. For next time, you can put code like this in the [[Template:Infobox former country/sandbox|template sandbox]], and check out the changes on the [[Template:Infobox former country/testcases|test cases page]]. Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 10:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

:: Thank you for making the edit and for pointing out the sandbox and test-cases page &ndash; I'll look for those if/when I next feel the urge to update a template. I'll now start amending those places where I've seen this template's linewrapping being handled manually. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 18:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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: I've just found an instance uncovering an error in the template: [[Tuvan People's Republic]] (see the "Government" area). Hopefully, this is now fixed in the version in the template sandbox. (As well as the Tuvan People's Republic example, the examples on the test-cases page seem okay.) Apologies for the mistake. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 18:46, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
: Also, the three instances of "colspan=2" in the protected [[:Template:Infobox former country/autocat]] each need to be replaced with "colspan=3" if this subtemplate(?) is to work correctly. Alternatively, they could be removed and the start of the line <nowiki>" | {{ns0|{{Infobox former country/autocat</nowiki> ''[etc]''&nbsp;" near the very end of the code for Infobox former country changed to <nowiki>" |{{!}}colspan="3"{{!}} {{ns0|{{Infobox former country/autocat</nowiki> ''[etc]''&nbsp;". This should achieve the same result while making it easier to amend the colspan in future. Sorry not to notice before. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 23:34, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

:: I've put the infobox from [[Tuvan People's Republic]] onto the test cases page, and everything looks to be working. I can't update it right now though as I am using my alternative (non-admin) account. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius on tour|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius on tour</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius on tour|have a chat]])</sup> 02:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

::: Thanks for keeping me updated. I've since found a couple more similar misfires, so, once the corrected version is in place, there'll be a better test to check all is in order. The version in the sandbox remains intact (I added the pointer "Scroll down for this template's documentation.") [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 04:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

::::{{EP|d}}. I've updated the main template from the sandbox version. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 09:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
::::p.s. Don't forget to update the documentation if there's anything new to add there. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 09:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thanks for all your help. I've just looked at [[Tuvan People's Republic]] and the other misfires I found and all now seems to be okay. Hopefully, there are no more gremlins waiting to emerge. Nothing's changed as regards what the template can show or how to use it, so I'll leave the documentation as is. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 17:06, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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:I spoke too soon, I'm afraid &ndash; I'd overlooked fixing the problem with another of the possible entries in the template's "Government" area (the "deputy" parameters). Now fixed in the sandbox version. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 17:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
:I've also just added parameters to handle lettered footnotes (footnote_a, footnote_b, ...footnote_h) to the sandbox version and tested it successfully with examples such as used in [[Bophuthatswana]]. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 04:45, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
::{{EP|d}} Ok, I've updated the main template. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 04:51, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

:::Thanks again. I've just updated the documentation and will now start checking/updating those pages I know will be affected. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 06:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
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:Sorry to disturb again &ndash; and the following is subtle but can be noticeable &ndash; but I've just left a version in the sandbox (with summary "caption padding") where use of the lettered footnotes doesn't slightly increase the gap between the dashes and subsequent data. As the summary suggests, it also includes a little padding to stop any caption used with the image_map option from touching the sides of the template. If this sandbox version becomes current, I think all should be well. [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 02:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
::{{EP|d}} — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 10:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

:::Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/213.246.91.158|213.246.91.158]] ([[User talk:213.246.91.158|talk]]) 15:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
== Centuries ==

From looking at a few examples, it seems as though if a country was established or disestablished in a particular century, but a more precise year is unknown, the century is entered into the ''year_start'' or ''year_end'' field. This adds it to the correct category; however, the lifespan at the top is formatted incorrectly. It appears as, for example, "5th century–6th century", which looks bad and doesn't comply with [[MOS:DATE]]. It should be "5th century&nbsp;– 6th century" with a non-breaking space before the en-dash. If you added a new parameter for centuries (in addition to the current date and year ones), it could solve this problem. Rather than having to enter "5th century" into the year parameter, one could just enter "5" into the century parameter. Although, you'd also need some capability of specifying BCE if necessary. I don't know how the template works, but these extra parameters could simplify the automatic categories as well. '''[[User:Mclay1|<span style="color:red">McLerristarr</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User talk:Mclay1|<span style="color:blue">Mclay1</span>]]''' 07:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
== Multiple start and end dates ==

{{Cot|title=Infobox example}}
{{Infobox former country
|native_name            = ''Principauté de Liége'' <small>([[French language|fr]])</small><br>''Prinsbisdom Luik'' <small>([[Dutch language|nl]])</small><br>''Fürstbistum Lüttich'' <small>([[German language|de]])</small><br> ''Principåté d' Lidje'' <small>([[Walloon language|wa]])</small><!-- Note the ACUTE accent was used before 1949 -->
|conventional_long_name = Prince-Bishopric of Liège
|common_name            = Liege<!-- no accents as this is used for category sorting -->
|
|image_coat             = Wappen Bistum Lüttich.png
|image_map              = Low Countries Locator Prince-Bischopric of Liege.svg
|image_map_caption      = The Prince-Bishopric of Liège around 1350.
|image_flag = LuikVlag.svg
|
|continent              = Europe
|region                 = Low Countries
|era                    = Middle Ages
|status                 = Vassal
|status_text            = [[Ecclesiastic]] [[States of the Holy Roman Empire|state]] of the [[Holy Roman Empire]]
|empire                 = Holy Roman Empire
|government_type        = Principality
|today                  = {{BEL}}<br>{{FRA}}<br>{{DEU}}<br>{{NLD}}
|
|year_start             = 980
|year_end               = 1789, 1791-1792, 1793-1795
|
|event_pre              = Creation of diocese
|date_pre               = 340s
|event_start            = Secular powers obtained
|date_start             = <!--- Optional: Date of establishment--->
|event1                 = Purchased [[Lords of Bouillon|Lordship<br>{{spaces|4}}of Bouillon]]
|date_event1            = <br>1096
|event2                 = Annexed [[County of Loon|Cty Loon]]
|date_event2            = 1366
|event3                 = Acquired [[County of Horne|Cty Horne]]
|date_event3            = 1568
|event4                 = [[Liège Revolution]]
|date_event4            = 1789–91
|event_end              = [[Campaigns of 1795 in the French Revolutionary Wars|Annexed by France]]
|date_end               = <!--- Optional: Date of disestablishment --->
|event_post             = [[Concordat of 1801|Concordat]] accepts dissolution of Bishopric
|date_post              = <br>10 September 1801
|
|p1                     = <!--- Name of the article for preceding entity, numbered 1-5 --->
|image_p1               = <!--- Use: [[Image:Sin escudo.svg|20px|Image missing]] --->
|s1                     = French First Republic
|flag_s1                = Flag of France.svg
|
|capital                = Liège
|latd=50 |latm=38 |latNS=N |longd=5 |longm=34 |longEW=E
|common_languages       = [[French language|French]], [[Dutch language|Dutch]], [[German language|German]], [[Walloon language|Walloon]]
|religion               = Roman Catholicism
|
|leader1                = [[Saint Servatius]] (first bishop, at [[Maastricht]])
|year_leader1           = 340s–384
|leader2                = [[Saint Lambert]] (at Maastricht)
|year_leader2           = approximately 670-700
|leader3                = [[Notker of Liège|Notger]] (first prince-bishop)
|year_leader3           = 972–1008
|leader4                = [[François-Antoine-Marie de Méan]] (last)
|year_leader4           = 1792–94
|title_leader           = [[Prince-Bishop]]
|
|footnotes              = 
}}
{{Cob}}

Hello, I've been trying to sort out the article for the [[Prince-Bishopric of Liège]] which ended in 1789, was reestablished in 1791, annexed by the French in 1792, lost and restablished in 1793 and finally annexed again in 1795. Unfortunately this is causing some problems with the template (end event). Could there be an end_date 2 (etc) like there is in the French language one? --''[[User:Brigade Piron|Brigade Piron]]'' ([[User talk:Brigade Piron|talk]]) 16:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

* Hello, Brigade Piron &ndash; I have little experience with this template, but, if you look at where it's transcluded in [[:Category:States of the Holy Roman Empire|other articles here on Holy Roman Empire states]], I think you may find the solution (or a solution, at least). Good luck, [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

::Great! It turned out that |life_span was what I needed... ---''[[User:Brigade Piron|Brigade Piron]]'' ([[User talk:Brigade Piron|talk]]) 19:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
== CfD ==

[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_February_3#970s_cats|This CfD]] recommended that the disestablishment categories for the 970s all be [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in the 970s]] and not individual years. Could someone implement this? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Train2104|Train2104]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Train2104|talk]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contributions/Train2104|contribs]]) 22:28, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== '''native_name''' breaks {{Tl|efn}} ==

All {{Tl|efn}} tags on the same line as "'''native_name ='''" will show nothing in their hover boxes. The only workaround is to put a carriage return between the equal sign and affected content — as all text on a following lines loses the parameter's styling. I have not observed this behaviour in other parameters (such as life_span).

I am trying to solve this, but I have little experience with wiki-language used to create templates. Any ideas?<br/>—<small>'''[[User:Sowlos|Sowlos]]'''</small> 09:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

:No; I was wrong. The workaround is actually preceding the content with an efn containing a named &lt;ref&gt; already declared further down the page.<br/>—<small>'''[[User:Sowlos|Sowlos]]'''</small> 09:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
== No Demonym parameter, please add. ==

There appears to be no "Demonym" parameter on this template. May somebody be as so kind as to add it? Thanks! [[User:Illegitimate Barrister|Illegitimate Barrister]] ([[User talk:Illegitimate Barrister|talk]]) 12:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
== Changes needed asap ==

Please can someone who understands this template adjust it to merge the below categories before someone who doesn't tries? Thanks in advance. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] ([[User talk:Timrollpickering|talk]]) 00:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 February 3]]
* [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in 971]] to [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in the 970s]]
* [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in 975]] to [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in the 970s]]
* [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in 978]] to [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in the 970s]]
* [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in 979]] to [[:Category:States and territories disestablished in the 970s]]

; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 February 13]]
{{tl|Infobox former country}} needs fixing to move remaining articles.
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{{collapse bot}}

:I've thrown something together at [[User:Danlaycock/sandbox]] to replace the code currently at {{tl|Infobox former country/autocat}}.  You can see it in action at {{tl|Infobox former country/testcases}}.  It automagically detects the most precise category currently in existence.  So, if the user enters <code>year_start=321 BC</code>, it first looks to place the article in {{cl|States and territories established in 321 BC}}.  If that does not exist, it looks for {{cl|States and territories established in the 320s BC}}.  And if that doesn't exit, it uses {{cl|States and territories established in the 4th century BC}}.  Once this code goes live, you should be able to just delete the cats, and the template will figure where to re-cat the articles.  If there are no objections, I'll copy the new code over so we can make it go live.  [[User:Danlaycock|TDL]] ([[User talk:Danlaycock|talk]]) 04:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::Logical solution.  The long term risk is that someone can create the problem in the future by simply adding the categories.  Not sure that is a reason not to implement your change. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 05:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Then deletion of recreated material would take care of that poblem. Best to go ahead with this change. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] ([[User talk:Timrollpickering|talk]]) 20:11, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::::I've copied the update over, so you should be able to go ahead and delete the cats now.  However, you might have to purge the individual pages to get them to rebuild and re-cat.  [[User:Danlaycock|TDL]] ([[User talk:Danlaycock|talk]]) 07:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)