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==Featured content==
===Nominated===
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Oedipus and the Sphinx 1864.jpg|''[[Oedipus and the Sphinx]]''
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===[[User talk:Crisco 1492|Saeroen]]===
{{Featured topic box |title=Saeroen |bookname={{#if: Saeroen|Saeroen|Saeroen}} |count=10 |image=Terang Boelan p311.jpg |imagesize=150 
|lead=Films written by {{icon|C}} [[Saeroen]]
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:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Terang Boelan]]''
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Fatima (1938 film)|Fatima]]''
:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Gagak Item]]''
|column2=
:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Harta Berdarah]]'' 
:{{icon|GA}} ''[[Bajar dengan Djiwa]]'' 
:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Asmara Moerni]]''
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:{{icon|GA}} ''[[Wanita dan Satria]]'' 
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Ajah Berdosa]]''
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Lintah Darat]]'' }}
::<small>''Contributor(s): [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]]''</small>
Just prepping --&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:49, 25 June 2034 (UTC)

===Roekiah===
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|lead={{icon|FA}} [[Roekiah]] filmography
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:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Terang Boelan]]''
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Fatima (1938 film)|Fatima]]''
:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Gagak Item]]''
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:{{icon|START}} ''[[Siti Akbari]]'' 
:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Sorga Ka Toedjoe]]'' 
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Roekihati]]''
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:{{icon|START}} ''[[Poesaka Terpendam]]'' 
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Koeda Sembrani]]''}}
::<small>''Contributor(s): [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]]''</small>
Just prepping --&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:49, 25 June 2034 (UTC)

===Oriental Film===
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:{{icon|START}} ''[[Kris Mataram]]''
:{{icon|START}} ''[[Zoebaida]]''
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::<small>''Contributor(s): [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]]''</small>
Just prepping --&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:49, 25 June 2034 (UTC)

===Star Film (Dutch East Indies company)===
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:{{icon|START}} ''[[Pah Wongso Pendekar Boediman]]''
:{{icon|FA}} ''[[Tjioeng Wanara]]''
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:{{icon|}} ''[[Pah Wongso Tersangka]]'' 
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::<small>''Contributor(s): [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]]''</small>
Just prepping --&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:49, 25 June 2034 (UTC)

===TFAs?===
{| class="wikitable" 
|-
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! width="150" | TFA date
! width="180" | Rationale
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|''[[Departures (film)|Departures]]''
|c. 15 August 2015
|Coinciding with the [[Bon Festival]] (thematic relevance)
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|''[[Sorga Ka Toedjoe]]''
|30 October 2015
|75th anniversary of Surabaya release
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|[[Amir Hamzah]]
|20 March 2016
|70th anniversary of death
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|''[[Asmara Moerni]]''
|29 April 2016
|75th anniversary of release
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==Useful links; future articles?==
[[File:Java Industrial Films logo.jpg|thumb|[[Java Industrial Film]] needs something.]]
*[http://niod.x-cago.com/maleise_kranten/article.do?code=Niod104&date=19431014&id=104-19431014-004016&words=roekiah ''1001 Malam'' completed]
*[http://niod.x-cago.com/maleise_kranten/article.do?code=Niod084&date=19440921&id=084-19440921-002034&words=roekiah ''Ke Seberang'']
*[[Gerd Heinrich]] - Remember, you promised to help Jim.
*[[Junus Jahja]] - http://internasional.kompas.com/read/2011/11/08/02392970/Junus.Jahja.Tokoh.Pembaruan.Telah.Tiada.
*[[I. Praptomo Baryadi]] - http://badanbahasa.kemdikbud.go.id/lamanbahasa/tokoh/1413/Praptomo%20Baryadi%20Isodarus , https://www.usd.ac.id/fakultas/sastra/daftar.php?id=berita&noid=63&offset=0
*[[Jan Brandes]] (1743-1808) - Amateur botanist? [http://www.amazon.com/The-World-Jan-Brandes-1743-1808/dp/9040087563 Book]

== [[McKinsey & Company]] ==

So it's a very large article on a business consultancy, which is not a topic that attracts a lot of interest around here. There's been a good half-dozen editors involved in the page at one point or another, but each tends to maintain interest only for a single section. Sphilbrick just reviewed the Publishing section, but said he was all peetered out on it after that for the time being.

I've made some cleanup requests [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:McKinsey_%26_Company#Some_cleanup here] regarding some poorly-sourced or redundant information. It looks like an intimidating request, but since it's just deleting it's actually fairly easy. I was wondering if you had the time/interest to take a look. All that's left after that is the Notable Works section and we should be able to completely disperse the "Issues" section (formerly Criticisms) and get to a point of polishing and GAN prepping after having been poking at this article for over a year now. [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 14:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
*Not for the next two weeks, most likely. My family is in town for the first time in two years, so I am going to be busy until they return to Canada.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Aww, Canada, the country every American loves to idolize. I've been hammering away at this article/client for about two years now; I think I can wait two weeks ;-)  [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 13:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:::*Great. Ping me if I seem to have forgotten.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
::::!Ping! ;-) [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 18:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

::Hey Crisco. I wanted to see if you were still going to do something (delete, merge, etc.) with the "Awards and industry rankings" section before I move on to the next item. Also, [[user:My2011]] has re-inserted (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=McKinsey_%26_Company&diff=623822626&oldid=623723830 here]) some of the material that I do not believe is supported by the sources, important, etc. I pinged them on their Talk page a couple weeks ago to try to start a discussion to no avail.  [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 20:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::*Oops. Done, I think. As for the readded paragraph: you may need to get more discussion, if possible, so that it doesn't end up readded and readded.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 23:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I guess I will keep waiting to see if My2011 responds. He/she hasn't been active, so I think they are just busy. If you don't mind my continuing to bother you, there is also the matter of the Lead on the Yelp page (see discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yelp#Lead here]). I can ask someone else to take a look, but since you have already poked at it, I thought I would see if you wanted to merge it or if we should get more input, etc. I want to go pester the GA reviewer once it's done ;-) 
:::*I wouldn't mind, but I'd like the formatting to already be taken care of before I do that.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::Since it's the Lead, there are no references to format.  [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 12:30, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::::*Bold, links, etc.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::{{done}} Oh ok, got it. [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 12:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::Hi there -- I'm the Wiki editor CorporateM is talking about above :-D. He's right, I don't check that often anymore, but will work with him directly on the compensation section of the article -- I figure since I added it back I should be the one to see it through. Please ping me on my talk page if you need anything, I'll try to check a bit more often. <span style="font-weight:900;color:#E65C00;">My</span><span style="vertical-align:super;color:#52527A;">[2011]</span> ([[User_ talk:My2011|<span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:lighter;color:#FF3030;">talk</span>]]) &#124; 02:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

:::I also just noticed [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Yelp&diff=624747591&oldid=623801722 this edit] removing sourced material. It seems like the issue could be resolved with some minor copyediting like: "A 2011 Harvard study by Michael Luca found <s>that there was</s> no significant statistical correlation between being a Yelp advertiser and having more favorable reviews.<ref name="online.wsj.com"/>" to clarify that it is the findings of the study and not necessarily a statement of fact. [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 03:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::*I think the objection is that there was no academic paper resulting from said study, rather than the wording.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I have started a discussion on Talk with more information, context and links. The available secondary sources are bountiful, so I really can't imagine why it would be a good thing to remove sourced content, but I think I figured out what the IP was thinking. [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 12:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

===Ping===
Hi Crisco. Sorry for bugging you so much. [[user:Coretheapple]] re-implemented the Harvard study on the Yelp page and I'm talking with [[user:My2011]] on their Talk page about the [[McKinsey & Company]] page. He/she seems to be busy IRL, so that may take a while. What I wanted to bother you about again was the Lead on the Yelp page, which now has wiki-code for bolding and wiki-links. The GA reviewer [[user:Erachima]] put the GA review on hold and I think this is the only thing left to address his first wave of feedback. Naturally the Request Edit won't be answered within the same type of timeline of a GA review. It's way beyond what is appropriate for me to edit myself.  [[User:CorporateM|CorporateM]] ([[User_talk:CorporateM|Talk]]) 14:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*Done. I checked it quickly the other day, but I must have missed that you'd used a no-wiki tag and thus there were no blue links showing up.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

== Here to make you cry (or somebody cry) ==
[[File:Summer evening at Oil on canvas - P.S. Krøyer - Google Cultural Institute.jpg|thumb|320px|Woof?]]
Somebody is going to cry or I'm not going to feel like it was worth the effort. I want to get this image [https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/summer-evening-at-oil-on-canvas/gwFCnJMQYnJAag?hl=en&projectId=art-project] onto Wikipedia (or Commons; I don't care which; I just want to get it). Can you or {{u|Hafspajen}} (no, you don't escape Haf just because I'm asking here) get it or tell me how to do it in one simple step (if it is more than that it will be me that is crying and that wasn't in my plan at all). Big kiss to anybody that uploads it (I'm told my wiki-kisses cause unconsciousness and delirium, so it's up to you whether you want to put in a claim).  [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 02:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
*I believe [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[:commons:User:Dcoetzee|on Commons]]) has a bot that can do that. Quite frankly, I'm surprised this one isn't on Commons yet. Perhaps Dcoetzee hasn't had time to go through the most recent Google Art Images.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
*:Thank you. I'll go and make Dcoetzee cry tomorrow then. [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 02:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
*::If he doesn't want to run the bot for one image, there's also [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Zoomable_images#Google_Highres_images this]&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
*:::But it's not working for me.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

*Well, [[User:Belle|Belle]], [https://lh5.ggpht.com/RlPhepuIetvRM_kT8B53AWDH2Vy4cMoh91Vcfnz0tftch0f02nfalSRcgebfsQ=s1200 this] is at 1200px tall. Can't figure out how to get the original size.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:50, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

*[[User:Belle|Belle]], it may not be as nice as a mojito on the beach, but I've got something for you.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::Hey, great picture. Was looking for this everywhere... was actually thinking about nominating it ... so, people start fighting - will see who will get to it first...  
::*If you want to nominate, go right ahead. I'm just happy to have worked out a way to get high quality scans... even from the MET or Rijksmuseum. :D&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 05:55, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::*:Thank you. You can have a certificate to redeem this "Mwah" whenever you next want to collapse and hallucinate (for some [[Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Modesta_Avila|context]] on all this twittering about my poisoned kiss). Hafspajen, I'm going to write an article for it, so you might wish to hold off from the nomination (also, if you cross me, you are going to get pinched to death; not by me though, I have an army of trained crabs; those ones with one big claw because they are the worse kind). [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 07:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::*::[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The Artist's Wife and Dog by the Shore - Krøyer‎|Beat you to it]] anyway (so I suppose that's a relief for you that you aren't going to be pinched to death by crabs) [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 12:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

:::Sight, saw that. Can't say I liked it. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 11:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::*I recall the poisoned kiss. I'll have to make sure to buy a [[Batman & Robin (film)|clear plastic thingy to wear first]].&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::*I'll wear the hamburger bra. Irresistible. [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 12:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
[[File:Art Collection of Prince Władysław Vasa.jpg|thumb|540px||Art Collection of Prince <sub>Władysław Vasa</sub> Crisco - bonus pic]]

OK, what do you think about this, Crisco? It is a sculpture... [[Boxer of Quirinal]] [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 08:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
*Ouch. Marie does some very good work, but she mustn't have brought her tripod or something, because the attempt to erase the noise has left the image very posterized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
**Wow Haffy, that's a lot of art!&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, it looks good, no? And have you tried to click on it on commons? Sombody put a lot of work into this - very nicely made, one can click on the objects and it cames up a new extra pic and it explains what that object is. These are all existing art objects that was once upon a time in this collection... Wish it was big enough... but that is for you to tell. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 16:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC) . 
*I missed that. Wow! That's very useful.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 23:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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== TFAR ==

{{talkback|Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI}}

'''[[User:SNUGGUMS|<font color="454545">Snuggums</font>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<font color="454545">talk</font>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<font color="454545">edits</font>]])''' 03:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
*Replied there.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Lilium bulbiferum]]==
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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | This barnstar is awarded to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 11:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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[[File:BENTENAN SARONG - Unknown - Google Cultural Institute.jpg|thumb|600px|center|''Kain bentenan'', a Minahasa textile from [[Sulawesi]].]]
*Thanks, Haffy. Eh, you like textiles, right? Check this out.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:22, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Fantastic. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 15:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::You know, I always imagined your bedroom something like this -> [[:File:Hotel Transvaal Indiase kamer.jpg]]
. This picture is absolutely gorgious. Can anyone nominate it here when it already a FP on the Spanish?  [[:File:María Cristina de Borbón-Dos Sicilias, reina de España.jpg]][[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 17:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

*Indeed! María Cristina can be nominated if you want. The English WP and Spanish one have different processes. They don't affect each other.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 23:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::Ah... good. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 09:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

==Bonus monkeys==
Did you know we have a Commons category "Monkeys in art" {{smiley}}?[[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 20:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
<gallery widths="154px" heights="200px" perrow="5">
File:Edwin Landseer- The Monkey Who Had Seen the World.JPG
File:Gloucester Old Spot by John Miles 1834.jpg|The black sheep
File:Costar Küchenstilleben 1875.jpg
File:Henri Rousseau 011.jpg
File:Heliconius melpomene 2b Richard Bartz.jpg|and not this of course
|File:Final Trophee Monal 2012 n08.jpg
|File:American bison k5680-1.jpg
|File:African Bush Elephant.jpg|Crisco, if you think anyone of them mesures up, go on and nominate  - any fphoto
File:A surfer at the wave edit.jpg
File:Macaca arctoides.png|well, not this one .no
File:Rolleway-aap, Jan Brandes, 1779 - 1786 - Rijksmuseum.jpg|Happy monkeys?~~~~
</gallery>
{{Css Image Crop|Image = IND-49-Bank Indonesia-5 Rupiah (1957).jpg|bSize = 375|cWidth = 100 |cHeight = 125|oTop = 25|oRIGHT = 20|location = left}}[[User:Hafspajen|...]]? <small><small><small>-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 21:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)</small>
::The best monkey so far, has style. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 22:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::*Very nice. :D&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
What is the point Shewing her? [[:File:Etty-Candaules King of Lydia Shews his Wife to Gyges.JPG]] [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 20:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:::*Shewing... showing? Why though? Looks like it's based on a legend or something.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 23:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::Silly thing. I would not show mine if I had any. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 09:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*Re: images: shame most of those are already featured on the English Wikipedia. Only one that isn't is the surfing one, and it's not even used yet.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 06:08, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
::Well, got them from some place it I thought were not, -  the surfer is too good not to be used, thoug. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 09:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
This looks good theoretically, 65 x 54 - (2,440 × 3,168 px) and a nice find - not by me (and I don't want to pinch it) ... -  but it doesn't seems to get any bigger, when clicking on it . [[:File:Robert Antoine Pinchon, 1905, La Seine à Rouen au crépuscule, oil on paperboard, 65 x 54 cm.jpg]] [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 16:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

== An Award ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | A "personalized" thank you for all of your support.--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 21:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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*Thanks! (BTW, if the Smithsonian accepts donations, I could probably hunt down some more recent issues of Rupiah)&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

==Today's Featured Article: Notification==
This is to inform you that   [[Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI]], which you nominated at [[WP:FAC]],  will appear on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia Main Page]  as [[WP:TFA| Today's Featured Article]] on 30 September 2014. The proposed main page blurb is [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 30, 2014|here]]; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date.  [[User:Brianboulton|Brianboulton]] ([[User talk:Brianboulton|talk]]) 19:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/ColecoVision 2]]==
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== DYK opinions requested ==

Crisco, I was hoping I could get your opinion on a couple of nominations:
* [[Template:Did you know nominations/Trijata]]: this is the oldest outstanding nomination, and Viriditas thought that the {{tq|readability of the section titled "Trijata and Sita", specifically the first half}} was enough to hold it back from being passed. Drmies thinks it's okay—he's done a lot of editing on it; I had some trouble wading through that bit, but I'd like your opinion... and if you think it's ready to go, then by all means give it a tick. (Or, if it's not good enough and you don't think it's likely to get there, maybe it ought to be closed.)
* [[Template:Did you know nominations/Development of Deus Ex]]: this is the second-oldest nomination; Viriditas had trouble with the hook. This needs a second opinion on whether the hook is confusing or not; again, if a tick is appropriate, go ahead, but if you feel the hook does need work (or a complete replacement), by all means say so. 
Thanks for anything you can do with these. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*Done both.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 06:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

== De nuttige van Ned.-Indie ==
Siang, Pak Chris. Bisa tdk, anda trjmahkan garis besar dri dua halaman [http://archive.org/stream/denuttigeplanten03heyn#page/196/mode/2up De nuttige] [[Karel Heyne]]. Sy membutuhkannya sebagai bahan untuk menulis ''kenaf'' dlm bhs Indonesia, yg dikenal dgn nama ''yute jawa''. Mohon bantuannya, Pak. :) --<s>[[User:Adi.akbartauhidin|Akbar]]</s> [[User talk:Adi.akbartauhidin|ini <big>dari Kalbar</big>]] 04:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*Aduh, saya juga tidak bisa bahasa Belanda (kalau saya membaca teks bahasa Belanda, saya mesti pakai Google Translate). Mungkin [http://ia600202.us.archive.org/20/items/denuttigeplanten03heyn/denuttigeplanten03heyn_djvu.txt ini] bisa digunakan.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

== EV... ==

Argh... I get it. The image was tough to place to begin with.--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 06:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*I can get at least a stub up and going, then we can use it. Do you think there's enough for one paragraph on the Dutch Guiana? Add a summary of the New France article, and that's enough for a new article.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 06:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
**I can email one or two of the world currency experts for more info, but I don't know if a "personal communication" citation will cut it on WP. I have one possible source I haven't checked...--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 07:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
***No, "personal communication" or "interview" won't cut it. I'll try and help out best I can. [[Card money]] is live, but still expanding.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 07:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
****I thought as much. You work fast!--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 07:39, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*****Thanks. I enjoy focusing on an article at a time (like [[Jacobus Anthonie Meessen|this]]) so that I can work quickly.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 07:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
******Though less prolific than you, I like working that way too (but I'm spread a bit thin right now...)--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 08:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*******No worries. I found a couple acceptable (not spectacular, but acceptable) sources for the Suriname card money. [http://www.nbbmuseum.be/2012/10/money-games.htm National Bank of Belgium] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20081115004005/http://www.cbvs.sr/dutch/museum/numis-infovoorz-moni%20tori%2008.htm Central Bank of Suriname].&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 08:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
********Ironically, I found a numismatic article by [http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=24558 the guy] I would have emailed...-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 08:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
*********Excellent. I'll work it in.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 08:33, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Basuki Resobowo==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#11 September 2014|11 September 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Basuki Resobowo]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Basuki Resobowo]]''' was a painter and an actor who portrayed a painter?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Basuki Resobowo|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Basuki Resobowo]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Basuki Resobowo|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Basuki Resobowo]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Basuki_Resobowo&datefrom=2014-09-01&dateto=2014-09-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201409/Basuki_Resobowo daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYKNom -->  —[[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]] 12:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

== DYK – increase to 3 sets ==

Hey Crisco!  BlueMoonset, Cwmhiraeth and I have [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Increase to 3 sets a day.3F|commented on WT:DYK]] how it's probably a good time to increase to 3 sets a day, since the backlog is over 300 noms now (336 to be exact).  Could I trouble you to help implement this (provided that consensus has been reached in your opinion)?  Cheers! —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 18:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
:I think [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates|this]] might be the page. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 12:29, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

== Yayan Ruhian - actor and martial arts practitioner - notable? ==

Hello Crisco, I tried to review [[Draft:Yayan Ruhian]] as an Articles for Creation submission, but found my background knowledge insufficient. Certainly the sources provided in the draft fail to meet [[Wikipedia:GNG]]. And nothing in the biography section proves notability if it were reliably and independently referenced. And of course, it needs some copyediting. On the other hand, if some of the roles listed in films are major ones, then he would be notable on that basis, according to [[Wikipedia:NACTOR]]. What do you think? [[User:Arthur goes shopping|Arthur goes shopping]] ([[User talk:Arthur goes shopping|talk]]) 00:49, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*Mad Dog! I knew I recognized that name. I know some websites have made him into a memetic badass (if you watch ''The Raid'' you'll know why), but that doesn't necessarily translate to notability. However, there are a couple mainstream refs that can be used: ''[http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/06/07/yayan-going-hollywood.html The Jakarta Post]'' article about him working with Hollywood (very short), and ''[http://entertainment.kompas.com/read/2014/03/24/1044516/Sering.Dijadikan.Meme.Comic.Yayan.Ruhian.Mengaku.Tak.Tersinggung Kompas]'' has information about his memetic status, ''[http://www.tempo.co/read/news/2012/06/05/219408566/Kang-Yayan-Menuju-Hollywood Tempo]'' has some about him going to Hollywood, [http://showbiz.metrotvnews.com/read/2014/05/14/241900/yayan-ruhian-akan-main-film-vampir-yakuza MetroTV] (a TV station in Indonesia) article about him having a film with... vampires and Yakuza?.... ([http://bloody-disgusting.com/indie/3293813/raids-badass-bites-takashi-miikes-yakuza-apocalypse/ Bloody Disgusting] has the same bit, and I ''think'' it's an RS for film articles). His filmography could probably be supported by filmindonesia.or.id (run by JB Kristanto, who published a catalogue of Indonesian films until 2007), but for some reason the site's not letting me access it. In short, [[User:Arthur goes shopping|Arthur]], I think that there are enough sources to support an article.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:[http://showbiz.metrotvnews.com/read/2014/09/02/286126/mad-dog-hanya-bengis-di-film Lengthy profile here] (MetroTV again; Indonesian though).&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

::Sorry, after trying to approve it, I looked deeper and I have had to template it for CSD as a blatant copyvio of the exact same webpage it got deleted for a year ago. Maybe you could create it as a stub after it gets deleted? You've gone to the trouble of finding the required sources :) [[User:Arthur goes shopping|Arthur goes shopping]] ([[User talk:Arthur goes shopping|talk]]) 01:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
::*[http://filmindonesia.or.id/movie/name/nmp4c2650a5dca95_yayan-ruhian/filmography#.VBJK2mPQpeE Filmography]. Yeah, I could easily get a DYK-able article out of the refs here. Later tonight, though.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:27, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:::*[[Yayan Ruhian]] is up and going. Reasonable enough, ten refs, including two detailed articles on him. Yahoo! News has information about his life before ''Merantau'', but since I'm not sure of the source (Cek Ricek) I've decided against using it.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:26, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

== New note ==

[[Assignat|400 livres]], much better, brighter, cleaner...--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 03:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*That's lovely... want to nominate today, or wait?&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
**I could, but if you would like to nominate, be my guest...-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 03:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
***{{p|Excited}} I'd tent my fingers, but being evil doesn't suit me.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

== Thaddeus Stevens ==

Other than the changes in the infobox, everything else in my 2nd edit came from https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/articleinfo/index.php?article=Thaddeus_Stevens&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia#maintenance, and there was more than just the 2 you mentioned. You could have just changed those two. And do you realize that you also reverted the previous change? That was a correction of the previous one by an IP. Surely you can't think that that was okay. --[[User:Musdan77|Musdan77]] ([[User talk:Musdan77|talk]]) 05:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*Wait, so you made those changes based on what a ''bot'' was suggesting? That's ''not'' how one writes "brilliant" or "professional" prose. Edit summaries only offer 255 characters (fewer if special characters are used), meaning I could not expand on everything in the edit summary (hence the "etc."). My apologies for reverting your reversion of the IP edits; I have reinserted that. Now, as to the individual points:
:*The extra spaces in the infobox do not affect the template at all, nor do they have a visual effect on the article. If we take the other three removals as correct, this would be in
:*some of the [[Territories of the United States|territories]] vs. some territories - some of indicates a particular quantity or subset of a greater number of items, whereas "some territories" is less specific
:*in order to - as I said before, unnecessary verbosity
:*"A scholarly biography" -> "A biography" - The qualifier "scholarly" is important as it gives a quick identification of the degree of investigation needed, as well as the reliableness of said work. A "biography" without a qualifier could just as easily be like those biographies of famous people sold to grade five students: unnuanced, not providing references, and possibly placing POV over accuracy.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 05:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

:::So, what's the point of having that "bot" if it's almost all wrong (at least according to you)? Of course, I understand that it's not always correct, but... Anyway, thanks for your explanations -- even though I may not agree with all of it. --[[User:Musdan77|Musdan77]] ([[User talk:Musdan77|talk]]) 17:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:::*Bot, script whatever. I didn't write it, and had consensus been sought I would have argued against creating such a tool. All such a tool does is identify certain strings which are considered problematic by whomever is doing the coding. What it fails to take into consideration are personal style, subtly different meanings (or quite different, depending on the situation; if the string is "some of the" --> "some", then "some of the 99 names of Allah", for instance, would become "some 99 names of Allah": nowhere close to the same meaning) different wordings have, and standard practice at the featured article candidates process (where "in order to" is exterminated with extreme prejudice).

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Retrograde motion (disambiguation)]] ==

It was noted that this disambig page was used in the documentation as an example of an unnecessary page. The help page now has a dead link.  Please restore this page.~[[User:Technophant|Technophant]] <small>([[User talk:Technophant|talk]])</small> 07:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*Or, you know, change the link on the help page.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 08:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

== "Dubious" ==

If someone slaps a "dubious" on a statement made [[Historical_coats_of_arms_of_the_U.S._states_from_1876#Arms_versus_seal|here]] that has five inline citations from four sources, can I remove it?--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 09:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*It's possible that the sentence there may be considered an oversimplification (not familiar enough with the subject to say if it is or not). If you can give a footnote regarding different views of the matter, that would certainly be enough for me.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 10:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
**Could do that. Alternately, since the user is making reference to UK heraldry (which is ''very'' different from this), I could simply add "A state coat of arms..." to begin the sentence, making it more specific and rendering his comparison moot (and then remove the dubious?)--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 10:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
***That could work.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 10:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
****FYI- amicably taken care of.-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 01:09, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*****Excellent.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

== Card money ==

You're making me take a good look at several scans I made and wonder if some of these qualify as card money... They are siege notes - one French one German (but in French) both from 1793...-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 10:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:Similar to [http://currency.ha.com/itm/world-currency/france-siege-of-mayence-mainz-5-sols-3-livres-may-1793-total-2-notes-/a/141437-83121.s these]...
*Hmm... I'm not too sure. Siege currency seems to be a different field. I was debating including that ''billet de confiance'' as it's not clearly a playing card ([https://www.google.com/search?q=billet+de+confiance&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=6R5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Cc4SVMClOoG9uASW24LAAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=633 None of these are]). I've found [http://grand-patrimoine.loire-atlantique.fr/upload/docs/image/jpeg/2014-01/n-5458-230.jpg this one], but it doesn't say "billet de confiance]. Neither does [http://www.nbbmuseum.be/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Afbeelding3.jpg this].&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 10:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
**[http://basementgeographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/cardmoney-536x1024.jpg this one]'s reasonable.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 10:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
***The nine of diamonds seems like a no-brainer for playing card money (and it's a better image than the king).-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 11:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
****Perhaps. I pulled [[:File:Obverse+reverse, playing card money (billets de confiance), Saint-Maixent.jpg|this]] together though.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:19, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*****Very nice! Here's an [[:File:New France (French Canada)-Card Money-12 livres (S107, c. 1735).jpg|extra]] if needed...-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 11:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
******Great! What year?&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*******c. 1735, fairly early.--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 11:49, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
********Re: your edit summary. I asked because the date field is not filled in properly (says 2014 ****).&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*********The effects of 30 hours without sleep is beginning to show...-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 12:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
**********Cripes! I hope it's not Wikipedia related... nothing here's worth doing that to yourself.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
***********LOL! It's not wikisomnia-[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 12:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
***********[http://xkcd.com/214/ Not this then]? Good.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
***********Not quite, but I can occasionally identify with it...--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 01:07, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*We may need to differentiate (within New France) between Canada and French Louisiana... Apparently there was both card money (two different issues, none are known to exist) and playing card money (private issue, payable in bread) in Louisiana. Sorting out the details and ref(s).--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 02:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
**Additional refs: [http://books.google.com/books?id=X4kgDkYxGrcC&pg=PA314&dq=%22playing+card+money%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tk8RVLbsHMjksATp3YGYDA&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22playing%20card%20money%22&f=false 1], [http://books.google.com/books?id=O15Wba6gaDQC&pg=PA15&dq=%22playing+card+money%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tk8RVLbsHMjksATp3YGYDA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22playing%20card%20money%22&f=false 2], and [http://books.google.com/books?id=DbiDmYwNF7EC&pg=PA175&dq=%22playing+card+money%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tk8RVLbsHMjksATp3YGYDA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22playing%20card%20money%22&f=false 3]. I’ll summarize #4 (hardcover reference book, no electronic version) and #5 is a pdf en route...--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 03:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
***Sounds like something I might end up finishing tomorrow or Monday, but I will get to it.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 05:28, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
****And I had time today. Oddly [[User:Godot13|Godot]], none of the links you sent (bar one) actually had information on the Louisiana currency. Well, Neufeld had a paragraph, but it was just "Oh yeah, these guys did it too".&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*****Sorry about that. I was trying to bolster the refs for the Canadian card money, the Louisiana stuff is scarce (but I'll check to see if I didn't forget something). I'm sorting out the info and will try and summarize the issues (four card and two playing card) within the next day. I may tweak a little in the Louisiana section in the process, but change whatever doesn't work for you.--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 03:58, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
******Hmm, if we're going to do full lists of issues (now that's work right there!) it might be better as a subarticle... especially for the Suriname issues. 94!!!!&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
*******(gulp) Yeah, there's a small project. Getting images of these is going to be very tough (but here's a [http://www.numismondo.net/pm/sur/indexc1.htm king] for you). We can spin it off when we get the info. Does the one seemingly comprehensive source come in English?--[[User:Godot13|Godot13]] ([[User talk:Godot13|talk]]) 04:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
********Hmm... a very frightening project indeed. Well, I've added some info on Louisiana from Clark's economic history of the area. I'm on my way out now, so I'll check the rest later.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

== Camilla? ==

[[:File:Camilla Pissarro Pontoise 1874.JPG]] He is called Camille, not Camilla, that's a girl's name. [[Camille Pissaro]]. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 20:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*Move requested.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:22, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

== PR for the Wigan Nightingale ==

Evening squire,

After [[George Formby|the son]] came [[George Formby Snr|the father]] is all very much in the cart-before-the-horse territory, but the little clean up of the Formby Snr article got a little out of hand and turned into an overhaul. For better or worse, the Wigan Nightingale is now [[Wikipedia:Peer review/George Formby Snr/archive1|at PR]] for comments, criticism and complaints. If you have the time or the will I'd be delighted to hear your views, but I appreciate that your Wiki time may be limited. Pip pip – [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 22:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
*Excellent! I'll be over there tonight.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

== Barlas Page ==

@Crisco 1492

Recently you protected the Barlas page due to edit warring between user nawabmalhi and lysozym. I thanked you for this and wanted to bring to your attention that I had a long interaction with nawabmalhi and he refuses to accept anything but his own preconceived notion. I brought this to dispute resolution and there was an exchange of over 7500 words in which nawabmalhi presented all his sources, I provided evidence to the contrary, supporting the existing wording of the article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_97#Barlas

and at the end of this the conclusion arrived at is pasted below:

Proposed solution[edit]
I think the best solution I can prose, with the evidence presented here, is that the existing wording of the article remains. Unless I see any decisive evidence (as opposed toWP:SYNTH and sources failing WP:RS, I will close this shortly. --Mdann52talk to me! 06:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mdann52 NawabMalhi says "Overall we are in agreement" at the end of his last comment and so I suggest this matter be closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jebenoyon(talk • contribs) 01:51, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Then three weeks later nawabmalhi went back and changed the next few sentences, essentially again making the same assertions about the Barlas being "Persianized". All this is on the page history. I then asked for Administrator assistance because he had gone back on what was agreed to and kept on reverting back to his version. This request can be found at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive852 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive852#Persisting_disruptive_editing_despite_dispute_resolution. I'm sorry I don't know how to link it another way. One administrator initially made a comment because I had pasted the whole discussion there and when I clarified matters I never heard back from him. So this request is still sitting there in the archives where I asked for help in stopping nawabmalhi. 

The I asked another editor on the page, lysozym, to provide his views and he agreed with my position also. I posted his response on nawabmalhis page thinking maybe nawabmalhi would recognize that both a closing editor and another neutral editor were agreeing with me, and with what is the truth. Then nawabmalhi contacted lysozym and as usual had the last word but lysozym rejected his assertions also. However, as the founder of nawabmalhis controversial religion made a highly contentious claim that he was Barlas and he was "persiniazed" so as I said on day one in my request for mediation, a link to which can be found in the archives I have linked to above, nawabmalhi refuses to believe anything because of his religious sentiments. I am no expert on Wikipedia but I have contributed to this page for long and am a true Barlas myself. This nawabmalhi will not stop until he gets his way and has already tried to get around what he agreed to in mediation. Now he is edit warring with another editor. I would ask if you would be kind enough to look into this and decide because I would trust and respect your finding. or maybe it can be sent to arbitration, as we have already gone through dispute resolution, and getting a third party opinion, and nothing seems to work with nawabmalhi who keeps repeating the same refrain no matter what is said. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you. [[User:Jebenoyon|Jebenoyon]] ([[User talk:Jebenoyon|talk]]) 04:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*You two should attempt to discuss the issue on the talk page, and see if you can reach a consensus there. I am not familiar with the subject matter, and thus would have relatively little to contribute.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 05:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

@[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] As we have discussed this matter for over 7500 hundred words in the first dispute resolution that nawabmalhi agreed to, and even more than that since then when a third editor concurred with the wording as is, which represents my position and the conventional position, I do not have high hopes that further discussion with nawabmalhi will solve anything. Subsequently nawabmalhi has also engaged with another editor in the same type of refusal to accept anything other than his position that he did with me. Is there another remedy because he does not listen to another opinion with an open mind? [[User:Jebenoyon|Jebenoyon]] ([[User talk:Jebenoyon|talk]]) 15:32, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*If you have exhausted all other avenues of discussion, you may consider starting an [[WP:RFC|RFC]]. However, I notice that neither you nor [[User:Nawabmalhi|Nawabmalhi]] have attempted to discuss the issue ''this time'' on the talk page.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:34, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

@[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Barlas&diff=619612556&oldid=619608379 The edit discussed on the dispute resolution page] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Barlas&diff=623237981&oldid=623229312 the edit I did recently] are not the same at all and the recent edit was actually the compromise I was willing to do with Jebenoyon on the dispute resolution page when I said: ''Overall we are in agreement''. The thing I agreed to was that I would not write that  [[Barlas]] as a whole were [[Persianized]], since the references that I provided on the dispute resolution were based off of the [[Timurids]] and [[Mughals]] (who are branches of the Barlas) and did not say the Barlas specifically.(even though all the references used in the Barlas article currently are related to the [[Timurids]] or [[Mughals]]).  I this is what I  told user Jebenoyon:
{{Quotation|
1.the source which you gave does mention the Timurids but the mention of a Barlas ancestor does not mean the ancestor gave the clan prominence but instead to soley trace the roots of the timurids.<br />
2. Read the sources I gave you which shows that Even Timur was a ideal Perso-Islamic ruler<br />
3. '''The timurids specifically along most of the Barlas''' were definetley persianized I gave you 8 valid sources<br />
4. But I understand your point that maybe some segments may not have personally this is my first time hearing this<br />
5. '''Till''' I find a source that specifically '''mentions Barlas in general''' I will not write persianized;'''however I do think it is important to mention that Timurids and Mughals were persianized and will reference this with the sources I gave you'''<br />
6. And PLEASE understand that '''[[persianization]] in NOT ethnic but cultural''' Read [[persianization]] and [[Turko-Persian tradition]]<br />
7. Again I did not threaten anyone to be honest you threatened report me I told you not to Edit War and asked Mdann52 if their was forum were a more specialized editor(in this area) could look at the issue}}
'''Dispute resolution Noticeboard:'''<br />
1.The reason why Mdann said at first the sources were out of context were because they used Timurids and Mughals(a subset of Barlas) but later I explained to him that Timurids are part of the Barlas and his position changed<br />
2.Then Jeneboyon argued that not all Barlas as a whole were persianized because only the Timurids were not the only Barlas<br />
3. Then Mdann said that might be [[WP:SYNTH]] and I said I will not write Barlas are Persianized as a whole but it is important the only two Notable Subsets of the Barlas were Persianized which is undeniable historical fact and afterwards '''Mdann made a new proposed resolution where he said stop whining don't know why he purposesly uses the old one even though he got corrected by the admin'''.<br />
'''My Edit:'''<br />
1. Here is part of my edit with which Jeneboyon has contention with ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Barlas&diff=619612556&oldid=619608379 different from dispute resolution]):
{{Quotation|The Barlas clan is now spread out in [[Central Asia]], [[South Asia]], [[Middle East]],[[Turkey]], and the [[Caucasus region]]. Like many other [[Turko-Mongol]] Tribes settled in [[Persia]] and [[Central Asia]]<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=HOaCuk6Wly0C&pg=PT203&dq=persianized+mongol&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZurgU8WtFYWzyAT_joCgCg&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=persianized%20mongol&f=false Big History: From the Big Bang to the Present  By Cynthia Stokes Brown]</ref><ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=d_wI-Jbcdu4C&pg=PA77&dq=persianization+mongols&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uuXgU_nBMImbyASo4YHgBw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=persianization%20mongols&f=false Landlord and Peasant in Persia: A Study of Land Tenure and Land Revenue Administration By Ann S. K. Lambton Pg.77]</ref>, many subsets of the Barlas such as the [[Mughals]] and [[Timurids]] were [[persianized]]<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=7PS6PrH3rtkC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=persianized+timurids&source=bl&ots=RHdyy0tA9p&sig=xYKKRkbFpGdmbkm7fLw7eVPTlFQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lt7gU9nkNYXp8QGgg4HwDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=persianized%20timurids&f=false Imperial Identity in Mughal Empire: Memory and Dynastic Politics in Early Modern Central Asia (Library of South Asian History and Culture) By Lisa Balabanlilar Pg.154]</ref> <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=QqryxbUEkbUC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=persianization+timurids&source=bl&ots=-NkKcV3SXA&sig=9c4NnF-3sN5snNZ9si9TcduDLgk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QuPgU7CIGcKNyASD-IHACQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=persianization%20timurids&f=false Timurids In Transition: Turko-Persian Politics & Acculturation In Medieval Iran Volume 7 By Maria E. Subtelny Pg.42]</ref> and made created elaborate [[Persianate]] [[Persianate society| Court Cultures]].<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=71LfAfvseeYC&pg=PA130&dq=persianate+timurids&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lAH9U-3GBsH-yQSOpoCgBw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=persianate%20timurids&f=false Periods of World History: A Latin American Perspective By Charles A. Truxillo Pg.130]</ref>}}<br />
2.Now I have not done [[WP:SYNTH]] since the sources I use directly use the Timurid and Mughals and meet required burden of proof.<br />
3.My references are valid written by credible historians and I provide the page numbers and use Google books links a reliable way to search through millions of books so that people can look at the references.<br />
4. I sticked to my promise to not write Barlas in general are persianized but instead I am very specific and willing to provide even more reliable Sources if needed.<br />
5. Jebenoyon or Any other editor cannot just remove historical facts that are referenced clearly and then blame the other user for disruptive edits<br />
'''Why is it Important to mention the Timurids and Mughals persianization?'''<br />
Now the disagreement between me and Lysozym is whether this verifiable material should be on the page or not due to its relevence to  the page. I believe it should be because although the Barlas were an ethnically Turco-Mongol trible the two great clans of the Barlas(all references  on Barlas article based off Timurids and Mughals) were ethnically Turco-Mongol but were persianized and an important part of the Persian Cultural fabric and were not just culturally Turco-Mongol which would be a generalization and [[Fallacy of quoting out of context|Selective quoting]] because we would ignore almost every book on them were they are mentioned, explicitly, as [[persianized]], [[persianate]], part of persian cultural fabric, and/or patrons of Persian culture. This is relevant as long as you include the Timurids and Mughals on the page as removing it would make the page look 2D instead of the 3D with cultural identification.--[[User:Nawabmalhi|Nawabmalhi]] ([[User talk:Nawabmalhi|talk]]) 21:49, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

@[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] Thank you for your advice. I hope you can see from the above post by nawabmalhi what I meant. Its like he is so concerned at trying to drown out any opposition and having the last word that he did not see what you wrote about not being the right person to deal with this. He has repeated things, such as cutting and pasting one of his several responses in the dispute resolution dialogue, that have already been refuted and dismissed. A review of the archives would clearly show that while the closing editor did get fed up with the going back and forth between nawabmalhi and myself, and in the end admonished both of us, this did not change the resolution that the wording would not be changed. This was agreed to by nawabmalhi by his own admission. He simply chose to qualify it 3 weeks later by essentially saying, "Well, I actually meant this not that." He is doing the same thing here by now inserting a new version of what happened with the closing editor over a month later. Its this kind of behavior which can be inflammatory, as is trying to change someone's ethnicity for the sake of your own religious beliefs. In any case, you have advised me of my options and we will let matters take their course. I wish you all the best. [[User:Jebenoyon|Jebenoyon]] ([[User talk:Jebenoyon|talk]]) 05:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

==Two things==
*Hey Crisco, wanted to ask you where do I apply for being awarded with the half-million award for bringing [[Megadeth]] to FA status? I believe the readership is about 750,000 views a year, which qualifies me for the half million cube.
*Second thing, can you participate in the peer review on [[Thirteen (Megadeth album)|Thirteen]]? The link is [[here|Wikipedia:Peer review/Thirteen (Megadeth album)/archive2]]. A friend of mine is vying for [[WP:FOUR]], so please give it your best shot.--[[User:Retrohead|Retrohead]] ([[User talk:Retrohead|talk]]) 07:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*You can either award it yourself, or as at [[Wikipedia talk:Million Award]]. As for the second... I may take some time, but I'll try and get to it.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 07:29, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

== sheesh ==
the guy had a sene of humour [[User:SatuSuro|satusuro]] 10:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

:your sure the stuff is not already up?  I was sure at Borobudur we have some dupes (accidental of course) - but long time since i was trying to put some of that stuff in appropriate boxes... [[User:SatuSuro|satusuro]] 11:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

== Is this image free?  ==

I need an image of him for his article. He said I may use this - per e-mail, but I have my doubts. [http://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/theology/staff/hill/ Here][[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 15:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
*According to [http://www.exeter.ac.uk/copyright/ this], the university claims copyright over everything on the site unless noted otherwise. If they claim copyright over the image, they may have to be the ones who need to release the image. Could you copy the exact text of his statement to me, so that (if possible) I can provide better feedback?&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)