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== Wikiproject discussion ==

Just an FYI that a [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amusement Parks#Standards policy|discussion]] is underway at WikiProject Amusement Parks, and your feedback would be appreciated. Thought I'd drop you a line in case the page isn't on your watchlist. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 21:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

== WikiProject Amusement Parks Article Clean-Up ==

Recently, an issue has been brought up regarding the notability of many articles within WikiProject Amusement Parks. As a result, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Article Clean-Up|a page has been created]] regarding this issue as well as a possible solution (which will be on-going). In a nut-shell, certain articles will be picked to be reviewed in each stage and the WikiProject members (you) will decide if the article should be deleted or kept based on Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

I hoping this will work and if it doesn't, oh well...I tried.

More info can be found on the linked page above.--[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC) <small>Sent by Dom497</small>
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==Removing TV ratings for Disney TV cartoons==
Why are you removing it? Don't you see? "Gummi Bears", "Talespin", "Mickey Mouse Works", "House of Mouse", "DuckTales", and even "Jungle Cubs" are '''not''' aimed at preschoolers! --[[Special:Contributions/68.170.223.134|68.170.223.134]] ([[User talk:68.170.223.134|talk]]) 22:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

:I'm not saying it is or it isn't for preschoolers. Removing the ratings solves the problem of suggesting who the target audiences might be. Again, I encourage you to read [[WP:MOSTV|this section]] for additional details.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 02:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

== What good faith? ==

My edit to the [[Angry Birds]] page was not bad,as you said,it was good faith.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:1:1C00:63B:25AC:C769:19B0:8564|2601:1:1C00:63B:25AC:C769:19B0:8564]] ([[User talk:2601:1:1C00:63B:25AC:C769:19B0:8564|talk]]) 15:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:[[WP:AGF|Good-faith]] in this case refers to that I believe you meant well with your edit, but even so the edit was inappropriate. As I said in my edit summary, there's no citation of this reference, no mention of why this particular reference is notable and no reference stating that the producers actually intended to mimic ''Angry Birds''. Without any of that, we're left with your [[WP:OR|personal opinion]] that that is what ''Annoying Orange'' was trying to parody.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

in the [[Angry Birds]] page,it was truly good faith.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:1:1C00:63B:25AC:C769:19B0:8564|2601:1:1C00:63B:25AC:C769:19B0:8564]] ([[User talk:2601:1:1C00:63B:25AC:C769:19B0:8564|talk]]) 16:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I think you think "good faith" means something other than what it does. It means that I don't think you were doing anything to harm the article, but that said the edit was not appropriate and was thus removed. Please read [[WP:AGF|this section]] for more information.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 16:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

==[[Template:Did you know nominations/Ed McGowin]]==
Please see note on your DYK review. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 01:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
== Tagging ==

Hi,

You seem to be adding [[template:linkrot]] to pages where this is not applicable, such as [[Charles Leno, Jr.]], while ''not'' adding that tag to pages where it ''would'' be helpful to do so, such as [[Giovanni Abate]].

Also, you added [[template:BLP sources]] to [[B. E. Doxat-Pratt]], who was born 1886.

[[User:Superp|Superp]] ([[User talk:Superp|talk]]) 07:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

:Your point is taken, but I do request you read [[WP:BAREURLS|this section]] before determining whether this notification is truly appropriate. To save some time, here's the key statement: "A full citation, in contrast, gives the author, title, publisher, publication, and date of the work. So, if the web site address changes, the additional information may assist in finding the new location. If the source is no longer available on the internet, then the additional information may assist in tracking down the source if it is in printed form, microfiche archives, article/paper collections, published as books, and the like." If you'll notice, these articles' citations are just URLs, which are indeed subject to link rot. Thanks.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 13:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

::Euhm, not to be pedantic, but the doc for the template has a definition of what constitutes bare URLs. Happy editing. [[User:Superp|Superp]] ([[User talk:Superp|talk]]) 22:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

:::After looking at the doc again, and looking at the cited article again, I honestly don't know what you're on about. From [[WP:BAREURLS]]: 
::::''"A bare URL is a URL cited as a reference for some information in an article without any accompanying information about the linked page. In other words, it is just the text out of the URL bar of your browser copied and pasted into the Wiki text, inserted between the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tags or simply provided as an external link, without title, author, date, or any of the usual information necessary for a bibliographic citation."''
:::Three of the four referenced links in the [[Charles Leno, Jr.]] article meet this criteria, thus the tag is correct since the article does indeed contain bare URLs. The tag does not say "all" the references are bare, although frankly that fourth one still needs more info to prevent link rot.
:::Apparently you can't accept a good-faith recommendation that something in the article needs to be fixed for the reason cited in the tag. If you feel the tags are in error, '''[[WP:BOLD|be bold]]''' and remove them, then, as you apparently did. I saw something wrong and I tagged it. If you feel it's incorrect or unwarranted, remove the tag and move along. Frankly, and constructively, you're reading the document wrong, and I have retagged the article accordingly along with an edit summary backing up my reasoning.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 23:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Well, no, none of those refs are bare URLs. Just trying to help you understand the tag you are using. Never mind, stay cool. [[User:Superp|Superp]] ([[User talk:Superp|talk]]) 07:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::How about instead of saying they aren't, how about proving they aren't? Explain how you're interpreting the policy. I've explained my side, and now it's your turn.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 12:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Glad you ask! The four refs (no, not the [[Fourth_official#Fourth_official|four refs]]) at [[Charles Leno, Jr.]] (which, incidentally, I never edited before), all contain a title or other description. The docs in my view are pretty clear:
{{quote box|source=[[Wikipedia:Bare URLs]]|quote=
A '''bare URL''' is a [[URL]] cited as a [[WP:CITE|reference]] for some information in an article ''without any accompanying information about the linked page.'' In other words, it is just the text out of the URL bar of your browser copied and pasted into the Wiki text, inserted between the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tags or simply provided as an external link, without title, author, date, or '''any''' of the usual information necessary for a bibliographic citation.}}

# This is a bare URL: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur+en+media/kunsten/1.1845520, as it has no information fit for human consumption, no title, no description, just the [[URL]]. It is reader-unfriendly, and a complete nightmare when it goes [[HTTP_404|404]].
# This is '''not''' a bare URL: [http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur+en+media/kunsten/1.1845520 "Tuymans overtreedt de norm van het goed fatsoen"], as it describes the target (in this case, as is common, using the page title).
# [http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur+en+media/kunsten/1.1845520 Technically, this too is not a bare URL, though it gives the reader or editor no clue where it is targeted, or how the target can be found if the URL changes]
# For refs, this is ideal: {{cite news|url=http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur+en+media/kunsten/1.1845520|title=Tuymans overtreedt de norm van het goed fatsoen|date=23 January 2014|first=Sandra|last=Cardoen|journal=De Redactie|accessdate=24 June 2014|language=Dutch}}

Type 2 refs may sometimes need improvement, but should not be tagged as if they were type 1, just as you do not call the fire brigade when you want your windows cleaned (I hope). I think I understand what you are trying to flag: these are not canonical type 4 refs yet. But they are not bare URLs. Peace and happy editing. [[User:Superp|Superp]] ([[User talk:Superp|talk]]) 17:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

:Assuming you left the building; I'm no longer watching this page. [[User:Superp|Superp]] ([[User talk:Superp|talk]]) 19:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

::I did review the page again and saw what you were saying and am making better use of it going forward. Thanks for your input!  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 19:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

:::Glad we settled this in a productive way. Thanks for the star! Next time you do the smacking. Cheers! [[User:Superp|Superp]] ([[User talk:Superp|talk]]) 19:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Ori and the Blind Forest==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Ori and the Blind Forest]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Ori and the Blind Forest|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> <span style='font:1.1em"Avenir";padding:1px 3px;border:1px solid #909;color:#909'>czar&nbsp;[[User:Czar|<span style="color:#909"><u>♔</u></span>]]</span> 01:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

== The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q2 2014 ==

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== re: A page you started (Curtiss Thrush) has been reviewed! ==

Thanks for the comment![[User:NiD.29|NiD.29]] ([[User talk:NiD.29|talk]]) 05:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks reviewing Marxent Labs! ==

Hey McDoobAU93, thanks for reviewing [[Marxent Labs]]! I actually have a couple of small requests that I posted at [[Talk:Marxent Labs]]. Although they're both small edits, I won't make any of the changes myself because I have a financial conflict of interest in regards to the article, as Marxent Labs hired me to draft it. If you have time, do you think you could take a look and, if the edits look okay, go ahead an implement them? Cheers, [[User:ChrisPond|ChrisPond]] ([[User talk:ChrisPond|Talk]] · [[User:ChrisPond|COI]]) 14:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:This has been {{done}}—thanks again! [[User:ChrisPond|ChrisPond]] ([[User talk:ChrisPond|Talk]] · [[User:ChrisPond|COI]]) 12:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

== Kohler Distinguished Guest Series ==

I am extremely suprised that you feel that this program is not notable.  Con you please explain your reasoning to me? [[User:Nyth83|Nyth83]] ([[User talk:Nyth83|talk]]) 13:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

:I'd be glad to. The concern I have is that there's very little information here suggesting why this speakers series is notable enough for an encyclopedia entry. It certainly exists, but the question is "What makes this one important?". Has anyone made significant speeches there (first major speech, last speech in public life, etc.)? I'm not saying the article should be deleted, but that it needs additional information to explain why it's important enough to merit an article. If it's as notable as your "extreme surprise" suggests, you should have no trouble finding additional sourcing, especially since just about every entry is from a single newspaper (not a single article, though). If you feel the tag is incorrect, feel free to remove it. My feelings won't be hurt; just thought the article could use more discussion of its notability.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 13:58, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

:: OK. I just spent a little time reading the article on notability and I can understand your concerns. My original interest in the subject came from the fact that the series has run continuously for 70 years and the fact that so many notable people and groups have all appeared there.   400 year old choirs, former heads of state, world famous explorers, etc, etc.  The problem I am having with documenting the subject is that almost all the references are about the appearances and not the venue itself. I found a short video about the series from a Milwaukee TV station that was originally broadcasted over the air in 2012 that I would like to use as a reference but it is on their youtube channel so I don't know the proper way to cite that.  I have some other independant contemporary web references that may be useful but again they tend to treat the subject as common knowledge.  [[User:Nyth83|Nyth83]] ([[User talk:Nyth83|talk]]) 15:46, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

:::I did some of my own research regarding citing video, and it could be [[Template:Cite video|cited]] but [[WP:YOUTUBE|copyright]] becomes a concern. As to the independent references, if it shows coverage, that shows notability. The visiting performers do have some notability and would (in a sense) lend it to the series, since they wouldn't go to just "any" series. I'd say '''[[WP:BOLD|be bold]]''' and add what you can find, as it's only going to help this start-up article become even better.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for Ori and the Blind Forest==
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:Thanks!  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 21:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

== Article Creation ==

Hey McDoobAU93, I was wondering whether you could help me create an article. Thanks,[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 18:50, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

:I can certainly do that. What's the article about? Have you started drafting it somewhere, such as your sandbox?  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 18:52, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Well that's the thing, I don't know. I saw that you decided to be bold and make an article from a red link and I thought that it'd be fun to do the same. I'm trying to find a red link about something I'm familiar with.[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 18:59, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

:Good idea. For what it's worth, it took me a while before I started an article. What would probably be better is working to improve articles that already exist by adding content and sources that support existing content. That's usually a lot easier than starting up a whole new article, but it can certainly be done. What you can do is start one in your sandbox; you should find a link for it up next to your username in the upper right corner when you're logged in. Then you can work on it without worrying about other users coming in and changing it; technically it is editable, but they have to find it first.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 19:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

:I cant find an redlink that I would be good at creating an article on. Could you give me a suggestion?[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 15:47, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

::As I suggested before, let's try an easier step first. How about finding an article in a subject with which you're familiar and expanding it? Adding something that isn't in the article already. Again, starting articles takes a fair amount of research and effort, so it would probably be a better place to start to improve an existing article.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Hey McDoobAU93. I added a picture to [[Parental Controls]] but I cant get to stay on the right side of the article. Can you help me out?[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 13:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

:I certainly can! I found your edit at [[Parental controls]] to see what you did. First of all, you did good by taking out an HTML comment and replaced it with a new image. To move the image to the right, you simply add in the word "right" as another variable in the file name. In the same way you add pipes (this character -> |) to separate properties in a wikilink, you would add "|right|" (no quotes) to move the image. If you look at the text you removed, you'll see the previous image was in the desired spot with that same parameter in place. Try that and let me know if it works!  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 13:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

It worked! (virtual high five) Thanks! Is there any lesson for today?[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 14:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

:Liking this idea of letting questions flow into lessons, here's today's quest. As you can see, pictures do help explain the subject matter of the articles. However, we can't use just any picture. Wikipedia has policies regarding images, especially those that may be owned by someone else. In the case of those images, they can still be used as long as we have a proper claim of [[WP:FAIRUSE|fair use]]. Below is a list of content types. Using the criteria for fair use, I want you to tell me if the picture is allowed, allowed under fair use, or not allowed at all.

#A picture of a professional baseball player you took at a game you attended
#A music video for a song
#A screenshot from a computer program in an article about that program that already has images
#A picture of a statue in an article about statues in general
#A 15-second clip of a five-minute-long song in an article about the song
#A picture of the moon taken by NASA
#Artwork of a newly-announced roller coaster
#A still picture from a silent movie made in 1918

:Again, leave your answers below, numbered with your responses. Have fun!

:--'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

#Yes you can include a picture of a basketball player you took. You can do this because it is your own work.
#This one depends on whether you use the '''whole''' music video or if you just use a snippet. According to the criteria for fair use. You may use a small clip (not exceeding ten percent of the video) to identify the band or singer.
#Yes. Although Wikipedia recommends not going overboard with the amount of pictures presented in an article.
#Yes you can use the statue picture as long as the owner gave permission for the image to be used freely.
#Yes you can use the 15-second clip as it does not exceed 10% of the video
#You can use the picture of the moon as long as NASA gave permission for the picture to be used freely.
#No I don't think that you can use the artwork.
#Yes you can use the still picture. A movie from 1918 is considered to be historical.
[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 15:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

:And now, the answers:
:#{{Tick}} That is right. It's your work, and you're giving it to Wikipedia to use.
:#{{Cross}} Videos are almost always copyrighted, so we leave it to the users to find this on their own (there are tons of video services that are free that show full-length music videos). The criteria you mention is for audio clips ... more on that in a bit.
:#{{Tick}} Basically right. The general consensus is no more than one screenshot per article, but exceptions do exist. You do mention keeping it to a minimum, which is correct.
:#{{Tick}}{{Cross}} Technically, newer works are copyrighted, even if you take the photograph, so the image would have a fair-use criteria to be used in an article on the statue. However, using the copyrighted work as a generic representation of a statue isn't permitted. That said, if the copyright holder (the artist) gives permission and that permission is documented, it would be allowed, although even then a generic free image would be better. So half and half here ...
:#{{Tick}} Correct. Since it's less than 10% of the overall length, it's allowed, provided the rest of the criteria are met.
:#{{Cross}} You're right, but for the wrong reason. NASA is a government agency, and thus its works are public domain, meaning no permission is required. However, the image must come directly from NASA itself (such as from their website).
:#{{Cross}} Actually you can. Fair-use criteria allows for works published as part of a press kit to be used. However, when the ride is built and operational, it's expected that a picture taken by an individual would replace the copyrighted work.
:#{{Tick}} Yes, because a work that old is considered to be public domain.

:This one was a bit harder, I know, but don't sweat it. It's OK to [[Meet the Robinsons|make mistakes]], since you learn more from them than you do from getting everything right. In my view, doing your homework and learning from it is more important.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

== Expanding articles ==

Hey McDoob(If its alright if I call you that) I took your advice and expanded on this weeks article for improvement, [[Jazz band]]. I already got two thanks from other editors. Check out my work![[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 15:41, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

:That abbreviation is just fine with me. As to your edits, I like what you're adding. Only tweak I'd make is to make sure the instrument name is wikilinked so readers who may have never heard of a [[clarinet]] can look it up. That's an important tenet about how we should be writing articles: assume the reader has no idea what you're talking about and is looking to you to learn what the subject is. In fact, here's your next quest ... there's nothing to grade or score here, so this is something I'm more interested in you seeing than actually doing (unless you want to [[WP:BOLD|'''be bold''']] and try it). Get a look at [http://simple.wikipedia.org Simple Wikipedia], which is in English but with a very restricted vocabulary. It's mainly for users who are just learning English (you may have thought it hard in school, but imagine trying to learn it as a second language!). It's a challenge to write articles there since your word choice is very limited. Compare articles on both (for example, one on the clarinet) and see the differences.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I didn't have to make wikilinks, there was already links in the beginning of the article. I made anyways though.[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 19:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Simple ==

Hey McDoob. So I went to have a look at the Simple Wikipedia, and I had to make an account there to edit without it showing as an IP address. What do I do to let people know that I'm not a Sockpuppet?[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 19:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

:You can use what's called a "unified login". That means your English Wikipedia account login will become your login on all other Wikimedia Foundation sites. For information, go [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login here]. Incidentally, [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppetry]] really applies on a single project and if you're using them for unconstructive activities. For example, if you were using MirrorFreak to do your normal edits and FreakMirror to vandalize the project for fun, that would be sockpuppetry. Another case that would be sockpuppetry would be when you are discussing a topic as MirrorFreak and then log in as FreakMirror and say how much you agree with MirrorFreak in order to make it appear that others support your stance. However, if you're using MirrorFreak on English Wikipedia and FreakMirror on Simple Wikipedia, and both are being used constructively, it wouldn't be a problem. All that said, the unified login is what you'd really want.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 19:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I did it. I made my username, MirrorFreak a unified account. Is this discussion going to be merged into a quest also?[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 19:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

:Not yet ... the whole thing with Simple was about seeing some of the other projects and about how we write for the readers, not for ourselves. I'll have something else soon. :)  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 19:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

== UserPage ==

Hey McDoob, I was wanting to know whether you would help me make my Userpage more creative. For example, you have a status icon on your userpage and [[User:Matty.007]] User page is fantastic. Could you help me out? Thanks, [[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 13:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
:<s>Just going off wiki for a bit, but I'll reply later. Thanks, [[User:Matty.007|<span style="color: #F00;">Mat</span>]][[User talk:Matty.007|<span style="color: #00F;">ty</span>]]<span style="color: #800080">.</span>[[Special:Contributions/Matty.007|<span style="color: #039180">007</span>]] 13:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)</s> Probably best to leave to McDoob if (s)he's mentoring. Thanks, [[User:Matty.007|<span style="color: #F00;">Mat</span>]][[User talk:Matty.007|<span style="color: #00F;">ty</span>]]<span style="color: #800080">.</span>[[Special:Contributions/Matty.007|<span style="color: #039180">007</span>]] 15:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
::He doesn't object to constructive/friendly talk page stalkers. :)  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Well, the blue background was originally from Pratya I think, but three or four people have copied it from my userpage (that I know about). If you desire a colour and a font, copy the <nowiki><div style="background: #9fddf2; padding: 10px; border-top: 3px solid #1F75FE; border-left: 3px solid #1F75FE; border-right: 3px solid #1F75FE; border-bottom: 3px solid #1F75FE; {{border-radius|10px}} 8px; font-size: 100%; font-family:Comic Sans MS; text-align: left;"></nowiki>, the #1A23BC (for example) is a colour, just play around with it and the font if fairly obvious. The navbar, located [[User:Matty.007/Navigation|here]], is quite nice as it means I only have to put <nowiki>{{User:Matty.007/Navigation}}</nowiki> and the template appears without being copied and making a mess. That's the major features, though I'm happy to explain any of the smaller bits if you want. One last thing, if you do use a major component from my userpage, please can you add a hidden comment (<nowiki><!-- Comment --></nowiki>) saying you got it from me? Thanks, [[User:Matty.007|<span style="color: #F00;">Mat</span>]][[User talk:Matty.007|<span style="color: #00F;">ty</span>]]<span style="color: #800080">.</span>[[Special:Contributions/Matty.007|<span style="color: #039180">007</span>]] 15:47, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

[[User:Matty.007]] I gave you credit for the design. Thanks for your help.[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 16:08, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
:No problem, thanks for obliging. Thanks, [[User:Matty.007|<span style="color: #F00;">Mat</span>]][[User talk:Matty.007|<span style="color: #00F;">ty</span>]]<span style="color: #800080">.</span>[[Special:Contributions/Matty.007|<span style="color: #039180">007</span>]] 16:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

== Please justify your judgement ==

re: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mauch_Chunk_Ridge&diff=next&oldid=613396553 this]
Please add a talk page note or inline citations justifying why you feel there is insufficient documentation. USGS maps are rather authoritative. Otherwise remove the tag and do something useful in the project--like add content. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 15:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

:I'm going to wave off the obvious [[WP:AGF|lack of assumption of good faith]], because it appears you're taking this constructive criticism personally, which is not the way to approach this project. I've compiled a list of the components of the article that are unsourced and would not be proven by a USGS map:
:#Does the USGS map indicate why this area is "historically important"?
:#Does the USGS map indicate that "from ca. 1792 on, enabled the earliest mines of the southern Anthracite region at Summit Hill, Pennsylvania to be conveyed to the water transport available on the Lehigh River at what is now Packerton, Pennsylvania"?
:#Does the USGS map indicate that "A number of early pack mule routes traveled in part along the north faces of the mountain's long ridgeline (12.5 miles (20.1 km)) from Summit Hill and points west"?

:The answer to all of these is, of course, "no, it doesn't". Judgment justified, and have a nice day.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 23:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Anybody that hangs those hated in-your-face tags unnecessarily isn't much of an editor, nor exercising good faith in my humble opinion, but instead acting contrary to the good name and interests of the project.

Try reading about Jim Thorpe, PA (in the lee of the hill summit), the [[Lehigh Coal & Navigation Company]] and the second US railroad which followed those mule paths. Since you have the time to worry about such in a two para article YOU ADD the cites. Only fair, I took the time to write the paras about the mountain and process the map etc. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 05:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

::Adding tags has nothing to do with good faith, nor anything to do with how good an editor someone is, and is a necessary part of wikipedia, to ensure that unsubstantiated factoids are provided with support, or deleted as not having any support.
::If you hate them so much, add the references and no-one will add the tags. It is MUCH easier to do this when you are actually compiling your references (assuming you have any) and writing rather than after the fact, and someone else who comes along probably won't have the same references available, so it is incumbent on the original editor to do so. Wikipedia policy holds that if you add it, be prepared to support it or it can be deleted.[[User:NiD.29|NiD.29]] ([[User talk:NiD.29|talk]]) 05:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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:McDoob, I don't monitor Sega Genesis anymore, so let me know if this guy starts up anymore trouble over there. Thanks! [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 17:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

::Will do, and thanks for backing me up, as did a number of other editors. This character simply [[WP:NOTHERE|doesn't want to contribute]].  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 17:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hai I am Duryodanan.
Don't you remember me?
I asked a question at Teahouse.
Pls look on Teahouse Q&A board.
Could you please help me?
I have two doubts.
How can we change our username on Wikipedia?
How can I find my friends who are in Wikipedia?
Can you also help me to create a cool user page?  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DURYODANAN|DURYODANAN]] ([[User talk:DURYODANAN|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DURYODANAN|contribs]]) 12:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I am from Kerala,India.
I know Malayalam,English,Spanish,Russian,Tamil and Kannada.
Are these qualities enough to qualify me as your friend?
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== Today's quest: vandalism ==

Hey MirrorFreak, time for your next quest. Today we're going to discuss a major problem here on the project, that of [[WP:VANDALISM|vandalism]]. Since Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that ''anyone'' can edit, a lot of people log on and make changes to articles. Many are constructive, but some are not. However, there's a difference between vandalism (simply wanting to cause trouble) and someone who's making edits that don't fit, but otherwise mean well. This is where one of the biggest tenets of editing comes into play: the [[WP:AGF|assumption of good faith]]. We need to give editors, especially new ones, the benefit of the doubt. But even that has limits.

Your assignment: below are a list of diffs from random articles across the project that were later reverted. Looking only at the diffs (that is, no selecting "next edit"), I want you to determine if the edit was vandalism or something else. Place the answer just after each link.

# [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kings_Dominion&diff=618922723&oldid=618449711 Number 1]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Dave_%26_Buster%27s&diff=616088088&oldid=614175779 Number 2]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Magic_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=618432351 Number 3]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Big_Hero_6_%28film%29&diff=618927559&oldid=618482660 Number 4]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Lady_and_the_Tramp&diff=618877434&oldid=617321219 Number 5]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nintendo_3DS&diff=prev&oldid=618559288 Number 6]

Good luck!  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 18:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

So here's my answers (It took so long for me to reply cause I had to get a new computer.)

# I'm pretty sure that this one is a good faith edit. {{Tick}} ''You're right, it is meant in good faith. The reason it was undone was because it's a rumor, and Wikipedia doesn't deal in rumors or speculation.''
# I'm not for this one, as the editor was adding a picture. 
# This ones childish vandalism, The word was already spelled right and someone made it spelled wrong. {{Cross}} ''This is where WP:AGF comes in. Yes it was changed, but it also may have been an editing test. If they had done this repeatedly, then yes, it would be vandalism.''
# I think this one is vandalism? {{Cross}} ''This is a good-faith edit for sure. However, these details are assumptions and interpretations of the editor, not backed up by [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].''
# The edits on this one don't make since. I'm gonna guess vandal. {{Cross}} ''You're right that the edits seem to be causing problems. However, on first blush we would assume good faith. However, this particular editor has done this a few times, at which point it does become non-constructive at best, vandalism at worst.''
# Obviously vandalism. {{Tick}} ''Without question, yes.''
[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 15:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

:I haven't marked #2 yet, because I want you to look at more than just the changes at the top of the diff. Look at what was actually added and then answer; that may give you a clue as to what I'm looking for.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 15:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. I ''do'' see what you mean. If I ever get into the CVU style of Wikipedia, I'll be sure to look for that. Any new quests for me? I need something to do to keep me busy.[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Blue">Freak</span>]] 13:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

:Yeah, I do need to come up with something. Like the last two, it'll probably come to me while I'm editing. Shouldn't be long. :)  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 19:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)