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== Nei and Rika ==
Trying to clear up the Numan (newman) catgirl thing:
In the Nei's Adventure telemodem game, there is grass (catnip) that Nei feels a sense of happiness when she approaches it and picks it up. Also during this game she makes friends very easily with a bunch of cats which are also vital to finishing the game with. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:CatguyPaladin|CatguyPaladin]] ([[User talk:CatguyPaladin|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/CatguyPaladin|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

==Article mergers of [[Kemonomimi]] and [[Catgirl]]==
In any case, the two articles have been suggested for merger. My opinion is that it probably should be merged together, whether one title or another (probably as Catgirl, since that's the more familiar term to laymen), but they need to be merged.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 19:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
:I also think they should be '''merge'''d. What about [Category:Kemonomimi], though? --[[User:Dogcow|moof]] 20:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
::Catgirl can be placed in there, and it can remain as is.  Othewise, it can be sent to [[Wikipedia:Categories for Deletion|CFD]] for renaming as needed.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 20:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
:I support merging the articles under [[Kemonomimi]], as a catgirl is a kemonomimi, but not vice versa. --[[User:Nihonjoe|日本穣]] 21:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

::I would have to disagree, while it is true that Catgirls would fall under Kemonomimi, Catgirls make up an incredibly large group of the Kemonomimi, possibly over 95%, it is more than likely if somebody is searching for this information, they are searching for "Catgirls" and havent even heard the term Kemonomimi. Not to mention that this would confuse anyone that is unfamiliar with either terms and attempting to look up information on them. Finally, the words are highly different, "Catgirls" is the english way of saying Nekomimi (Literally "Cat Ears", Japan's equivelent of saying Catgirl (Nekomusume)) while "Kemonomimi" is a Japanese word for "Beast Ears", basically our equivelent of saying "Animalgirls", it dosent make sense to merge an English word under a Japanese word, nor would it make sense to change "Catgirl" to "Nekomimi" since it would make this information harder to locate for people that do not unow anything about Japanese.<small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:24.12.218.236|24.12.218.236]] ([[User talk:24.12.218.236|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/24.12.218.236|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

:The articles should remain separate, as said above. The catgirls have many supporters who aren't quite interested in other kemonomimi.<small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:217.11.246.244|217.11.246.244]] ([[User talk:217.11.246.244|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/217.11.246.244|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

:I also agree articles should remain seperate. If you combine these, you may as well as combine in Kitsunes and such. Really, putting Kemonomimi as part of Catgirl is just making it harder for people to find something.[[User:Dragon Hilord|Dragon Hilord]] 22:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, we should keep intact and separate this article under the "Catgirl" name. I leave kemonomimi as is, as I don't know what it really means however. :) But most people may search for catgirls or nekomimi, the latter is a redirection page, soo it's taking here. --[[User:Rev-san|Rev-san]] 20:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I admit that Kemonomimi is not in very common usage, but it is being used on some imageboards so I thought it was gaining ''enough'' usage to have a wikipedia article. - [[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

If [[Kemonomimi]] is going to be kept, then the List of Catgirls needs to be thinned out and the kemonomimi need to be moved over there.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 13:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
:Ok--[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 14:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

:The topic of [[Kemonomimi]] is so wide, you can't really combine them and honestly think somebody wouldn't change it back eventually. For one thing, it means (and i quote) ''[[Kemonomimi]] is an [[anime]] and [[manga]] terminology that describes characters that possess animal like features''. If anything, other catagories like Kitsunes, Gryphon, Phoenix and so on. While minor, it's hardly a task to find information about characters. To thin out the list maybe a good idea, but I think it would be much easier for people looking for content with that context in mind. Adult-oriented show characters may be good to weed out for the younger audience, but overall, you're just removing from the information of wikipedia, information meant to be shared openly. [[User:Dragon Hilord|Dragon Hilord]] 23:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

: I vote that the two articles should remain seperate, but with clearer links between them  - Although Catgirls are a form of Kemonomimi, this term is not in common usage and may confuse casual anime fans. Catgirls are the most popular form of Kemonomimi and should get there own category.--[[User:Crais459|Crais459]] 07:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't especially think they should be merged. Catgirls are so popular that they need their own category, and yet Kemonomimi is the broader term. It can be argued that anyone looking for info is interested in catgirls, but I came looking to find out what the blanket term for characters with animal features was. My interest was sparked by InuYasha and Loveless. In both cases, the main character is a male Kemonomimi and not a catgirl at all.

:Ok I've removed the merge tags. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 00:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

==Catgirl pic on article==
I have two objections to it:
#It's clearly advertising a specific site, and we shouldn't be promoting any one site over any other
#I don't think it should be any larger than 250px on the main article. If someone wants a bigger version, they can click on the pic and get a full size copy. I can edit the pic to remove the reference to the site it's from. As long as it's still attributed, I don't think that should be a problem. 
Thoughts on these items? --[[User:Nihonjoe|日本穣]] 22:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think it's that big viewed in 1280x960, but do as you wish. However it's a nice illustration, I don't mind if you leave it this way... About the advertising: perhaps it's almost clearly visible, but 1) if I want to search for such images, I check multiple webpages, not just this one, and 2) the site in question is in the Links section too, amongst others, and it's not the first in the list. And I think it's hard to find a quality image without advertising/copyright message on it. Hmmm, it is allowed to modificate a picture which is copyrighted, and represents a website? (Besides, that site is really worth advertising. ^^) --[[User:Rev-san|Rev-san]] 20:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
:I can probably come up with something, but it'd have to be after I finish with the Anime and manga barnstar.  ^_^;;;--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 20:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
::Sounds good. (^_^) --[[User:Nihonjoe|日本穣]] 22:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
:I've reduced the size of the article pic. --[[User:Nihonjoe|日本穣]] 22:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
:I also think we could get a better picture, Nihon's reasons are already enough but that picture shows her underwear and some of my uploaded pictures were removed for that reason >_<
:As for a serious reason, I think it'd be better to use a much more common catgirl such as Ichigo, Dejiko, Koboshi or some other well known anime character. - [[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::I changed it to the Darkstalkers catgirl (Felicia, IIRC), but someone changed it back. --[[User:Nihonjoe|日本穣]] 08:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Changed the image to [[:Image:Dejiko.jpg|Dejiko]], and going to list the other one for IFD just in case.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 14:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Well well, this new picture is kawaii, but I think it's not demonstrating the 'catgirl' idea clearly (I suppose former pic did), so I would put in a picture of Ichigo from TMM. Now she's kawaii, AND really shows how a catgirl looks like. ^_^ --[[User:Rev-san|Rev-san]] 19:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Hmm, we can have more than one picture. As I suggested Dejiko is a well known catgirl and so is Ichigo. Add an Ichigo pic to the article as well if you like. The more examples the better the reader's understanding - [[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 08:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
::::And with that I've added a few more pics from existing uploaded images --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 23:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I have to say that im not exactly too happy with the current pictures right now either. At the moment we have Di GI Charat, Ichigo, Hazuki, and Koboshi on the catgirl page. While they all have catears, Ichigo is the only actual catgirl out of all of those four, the rest wear fake ears, half the time Hazuki dosent even wear them. While girls wearing fake catears does slightly fall into the "catgirl" category, I think it would be better if the larger majority of the pictures on the page were of actual catgirls instead of anime girls cosplaying as one, as with these images it almost makes it seem like a catgirl literally is a human girl with fake catears. <small>—This [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:24.12.218.236|24.12.218.236]] ([[User talk:24.12.218.236|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.12.218.236|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->
::::::Well ok. Who do you suggest should be on the page? --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 03:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

== Trimming of External links ==

Folks, this is not an advertising zone for your favorite (or your own) catgirl-oriented webcomics.  While one or two may be exemplary, over half the links were nothing but, and that is hardly encyclopedic.  Editors, we need to keep better control of what goes on the page, or else those who are so inclined (you know who they are) will put this thing on AFD fast enough to make your neko-ears pop.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 22:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you think we might need some type of regulation? I mean, there are some webcomics that have their own wiki so I don't think its that haphazard to post links, however, I always felt that it would be a little too cluttered to post catgirls and kemonomimi from non-officially published works (Games, Anime, Manga, and the like that were actually published, not webcomics and dojunshi). Since there are possibly hundreds if not thousands of fan-creations with kemonomimi, it would be too difficult to attempt to list them all.

I disagree. Wikipedia is a place to share. In this case, links. Over 20 links may just be calling for Catgirls to have its own "link" page. Some things are redundant like thoes covered by the Webring, and should be removed. Obviously adversiting is not what this is meant for, but you have to cut slack. If you want an example of a links page, check out [[Free audio software]]. Offical works, and very well-known works should remain.[[User:Dragon Hilord|Dragon Hilord]] 22:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

:Wikipedia policy on this can be found at [[WP:EL]]. The jist of it for fansites is this: ''Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)'' So if there is a webring or a website with a listing of catgirl fansites, the single external link that is allowed should be linked to that site according to our policy --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 01:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

:I see your point. Well presented ^_^. I must say though that if you remove a link, you should trace around to see if it is covered by a webring. If not, leaving it be would be the best course of action until it turns up in a ring (members of webrings ''usually'' show a webring access bar somewhere on the main page, or on parts of all).[[User:Dragon Hilord|Dragon Hilord]] 23:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added a description to the "Sky Lounge Garden" external link because it points directly to softcore pornography... is this the kind of catgirl content we want this article to link to? [[User:Fruitofwisdom|fruitofwisdom]] 23:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Neko-jin ==

I always thought the Japanese word for cat people was neko jin.
Why is this not implimented or what does that really mean or whatever -anon <small>—This [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:84.12.200.138|84.12.200.138]] ([[User talk:84.12.200.138|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.12.200.138|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

: Yes, <i>neko</i> (ねこ or 猫) means cat and <i>jin</i> (じん or 人) means person, however, I don't know if Japanese-speakers actually use this particular term.  Maybe someone else can verify. [[User:Fruitofwisdom|fruitofwisdom]] 23:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
: Can't say I've ever heard of this term either.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 15:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
: Technically nekojin means cat-person, but the term used is nekomimi. [[User:Dee man 45|Dee man45]] 19:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Paring down Examples list ==

Is anyone else concerned that a: the examples section is getting a tad bit long and b: there are quite a bit of webcomic references there?

I propose that we pare the list down to notable examples, and leave webcomics off it unless the webcomic itself has an article on WP.  Any thoughts?--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 15:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
:I agree.  Webcomics with their own article deserve a spot, and most anime and manga '''that have articles'''.  Also, if a character only ''briefly'' appears as a catgirl, as in one moment in a single espisode, I don't think that merits putting it down.[[User:Dee man 45|Dee man45]] 15:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 01:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
:I've made a webcomics section, see if they're notable or not. '''A lot''' of the examples are in the '''other''' section when they should not be. Anyone who has seen the anime/manga these characters are in, please move them to their correct section. I've moved all the girls that I know of to their correct sections. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 05:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

== Catgirl/Catboy ==

Shouldn't this article be titled [[Catgirl/Catboy]]?
:No that's what redirects are for. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 23:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
::It is now done [[User:Dragon Hilord|Ben Rogers]] 04:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Aren't Eluruu and Aruruu DOG-girls rather than catgirls?
:They appear to be dog girls, so they've been moved to the Others list
::If they are doggirls then they should be on the [[Kemonomimi]] page. It's only a catgirl/catboy list. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

== Images ==

I've struck off two images from the four which were serving to illustrate precisely the same thing. Would you expect to have four seperate images of David Beckham on his article? No, of course you wouldn't. There's two. Four seperate images of what a catgirl is makes for a poor encyclopedia. We can understand from one what a catgirl is. [[User:ShizuokaSensei|ShizuokaSensei]] 15:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:David Beckham nearly always looks like David Beckham.  Catgirls do not all look the same; so having multiple illustrations to show the range of variation, is more useful with catgirls than with David Beckham.  Better articles to compare to would be [[Cat]] or [[Girl]] - each of which contains far ''more'' illustrations than [[Catgirl]].[[User:216.59.228.13|216.59.228.13]] 17:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==Bagi==

Shouldn't the classic [[Bagi%2C_the_Monster_of_Mighty_Nature|Bagi]] by [[Osamu_Tezuka]] fit somewhere in there?
:Agreed. Bagi is now listed!

== Ortega a catboy? ==

You have listed Ortega in your list of catboys. Ortega dosen't really seem catlike to me though...he just has a mane. Don't you think he should be deleted from the list?

== Asuka from [[Evangelion]]? ==

How about [[Asuka Langley Sohryu]]?

Her eva head things make me think catgirl whenever I see her, as does the sly wide-mouth thing she'll do. Thoughts?

:Catgirl-like, perhaps. But I wouldn't call her a catgirl. --[[User:Marudubshinki |maru]]  [[User talk:Marudubshinki| (talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Marudubshinki | contribs]] 23:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== List in Separate Article ==

Should the list be separated out into a different article?  I thought it was convention for extensive lists to be put in their articles (with titles starting with "List of").  --[[User:L33tminion|L33tminion]] <small>|</small> [[User talk:L33tminion|(talk)]] 06:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
:This article is just a list anyway with a good lead section. Maybe the article could be renamed? --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

== Catgirls outside of Anime ==

I was wonder if the list should mention Catgirls outside of Anime/Manga/Games.  For example:  In the works of Cordwainer Smith, Underpeople are animals who are genetically munipulated to look human and have human intellgence.  One important character in Smith's works is C'mell, a cat-derived Underperson.--[[User:Eldarone|Eldarone]] 00:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, go ahead! This could be the start of a section of American versions of Catgirls, not merely the all-Japanese account we currently have. --[[User:Marudubshinki |maru]]  [[User talk:Marudubshinki| (talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Marudubshinki | contribs]] 03:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

:Began writing a section.  Still in progress:

'''Catgirls outside of Anime'''

Catgril characters are also found outside of anime, manga, and video games.  Often, such catgirls often look more like humanoid cats than their Japanese counterparts.  Fantasy games have catgirl characters, such as ''Magic: The Gathering''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Mirri. Some live-action shows and movies, as well as western comics and animation, have featured various cat-like characters, in addition to their occasional appearance in classis of Western science-fiction, like [[Cordwainer Smith]]'s cat-derived Underperson C'Mell (who appears in ''[[Norstrilia]]'' and ''[[The Rediscovery of Man]]'').  --[[User:Eldarone|Eldarone]] 15:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I'd say rename the '''Live action catgirls''' section to '''Catgirls outside of Anime''', include the small list at the bottom of your paragraph and include webcomic catgirls in it somehow. It's good content and will break up the list a bit. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 08:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

::If you mean add the "Live-action Catgirls" section to the "Catgrils outside of anime" section, I don't really see a problem with that --[[User:Eldarone|Eldarone]] 18:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes that's what I'm suggesting. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 23:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Catgirls and Furries  ==

This section sounds alot like Orginal research.  Should it be deleted or not?--[[User:Eldarone|Eldarone]] 21:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:If it is original research then yes. The sentence about catgirl being a term to describe a stereotypical hyperactive and obnoxious fangirl seems to be uncited and OR as well. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 06:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the stereotype refrence because it is 100% inaccurate [[User:Dragon Hilord|Ben Rogers]] 04:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fansites ==
In line with Wikipedia policy on fansites, all but the webring has been moved from External links again. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 06:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Can't think how to write this but it needs working in... ==

In anime/manga catgirls usually fit one of two different character types- either the 'cute one' or the 'sexy one'. I think this warrants mention but...This isn't my article and I can't think how to mention it decently.--[[User:Josquius|Josquius]] 12:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)