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== Disruptive editor ==

[[WP:canvassing|Canvassing]] to bring in a  disruptive editor with far-right views is in bad form. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 21:58, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
: Are you talking about {{ping|Atsme}}? This is the second time you've accused me of something within the past few HOURS. Why do you think that it's ok to do this to other editors? That article you linked to doesn't say anything about how I can't talk to other editors that have commented on the same topic as me. She started the survey! I don't know anything about her being disruptive or far-right as you say but I think you owe us both an apology. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 22:04, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
::Just ignore his comments, {{u|Mr. Daniel Plainview}}. His comments about my views are ridiculous (if he's even talking about me, I'm thinking not). Don't take anyone's [[WP:BAIT]], do not respond directly to his off-the-wall comments, the <s>RfC</s> local survey is in full swing, and that's all that matters. Just sit back and wait for consensus to decide the outcome. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
::Atsme has claimed the NYT and WaPo are gossip. He recently claimed that we are all about to find out that the FBI is part of a deep state effort to depose the current President of the US. You have asked the wrong person for advice. You have not been here long. As Cat Stevens said in ''Father in Son'', "that's not your fault". But, we are about NPOV. It is absolutely required to maintain credibility. We must not be a part of varous political campaigns and conspiracy theories. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 23:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Objective3000}} Reminder: This entire area is under [[WP:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] which implies an extra duty to be civil and not cast [[WP:ASPERSIONS|aspersions]]. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 00:30, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'm trying to give good advice and can document what I said. I had also already stated on the TP that the canvassing may have been accidental, even after aspersions were cast against me (and the score of aspersions from another editor) and stated that I didn't want to BITE. But, I take your advice as good counsel. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 00:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Then please document what you said. {{Justcurious}} I've never seen myself as the person you've described. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you NeilN. I started reading the article and I think I understand most of it but I'll have to go back later and finish. I will be careful to not take people's bait and go edit somewhere else for a while if things get heated. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 15:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:Hi Mr. Daniel Plainview! Questions about the above “Alert”? I wrote a quick & dirty FAQ—check it out [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Conservatism/Discretionary_sanctions_FAQ|here]]. If you have any questions about policies or editing or anything else just ask me on [[user talk:Lionelt|my talk page]] :-) &ndash; [[user:Lionelt|Lionel]]<sup>([[user talk:Lionelt|talk]])</sup> 05:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
::Hey, {{u|Lionelt}} - great essay!! Hope it's ok, but I made a few edits to it. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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== Thanks for your patience ==

[[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]], I commend your cooperation in editing [[Joy-Ann Reid]]. I made some edits earlier today that reflect your input, and greatly appreciate your use of [[Talk:Joy-Ann Reid]] to help us navigate these turbulent waters. My cautiousness derives from Wikipedia's core principles of fairness, particularly in BLPs. The first week of this latest Reid controversy struck me as especially conducive to violations of [[WP:NPOV]], which with your help I believe we've avoided. Thank you. [[User:KalHolmann|KalHolmann]] ([[User talk:KalHolmann|talk]]) 16:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks, pleasure working with you! By the way it's a bit hard to deduce tone from nothing but text of course, but I speak somewhat bluntly just in the interest of getting points across effectively and without getting too far into the weeds. No reason for things to get heated or otherwise unpleasant despite the controversial nature of the person and material. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 15:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

== Attribution ==

You should attribute [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/841612707 this] to Giuliani. He's not at all trustworthy, but he did make the claim. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 23:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC) [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 23:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
:I don't want to get in the habit of attacking living persons - my preference would be just to use what the sources say. I will respond on the talk page, where someone has created a section about this. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 14:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:: Somebody already fixed it. Attribution is not "attacking" anyone. Leaving such a controversial claim, especially from a notably untrustworthy person, is simply not allowed, and I thought it would be best for you to do it since you made the edit, but since leaving it unattributed isn't good, someone else fixed it.
::We always attribute controversial opinions. It's a matter of course, not something unusual. We don't attribute uncontroversial claims like "the set sets in the West" and "the apple will fall to the ground if you let go of it". Otherwise we attribute. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 14:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::No I wasn't talking about the content (although an administrator recently changed some material to call somebody's comments "racist and inflammatory" without any attribution, in the lede [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:America_First_Policies] and defended the choice), rather your unsourced attack/criticism of Giuliani as "untrustworthy". I don't want to wade into those waters. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 15:38, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

== Garbage? ==

{{u|SPECIFICO}} Since Objective3000 doesn't want to clarify his views, I'll address the comment you made toward me on his talk page. What exactly are you referring to as "garbage"? "Objective"'s disruption? His aspersions? His false claim that I "filed a report" against him at BLP/N? Please be more...specific. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 19:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:You just made three false accusations. I suggest you stop attacking other editors. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 19:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::Hardly attacking you or anyone. You, on the other hand, have been smearing other editors since I first started editing. I believe Atsme was the first to feel the brunt of your ire right here on my talk page. I won't tell you not to post on my talk page, as I can tolerate other people's opinions, but I would like you to be a little nicer if you're going to do so. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 19:16, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::You would like me to be nicer after making three false accusations and now adding a fourth? Seriously, you need to stop attacking other editors. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 19:19, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::WP:DISRUPT violations are subjective, so you can't unilaterally say that you did not disrupt our content discussion. WP:ASPERSIONS is the same situation, although it's pretty clear that smearing editors as "far-right" and falsely accusing them of repeating "fake news" easily qualifies. I filed a report at BLP/N to clarify if USAToday's report was a BLP violation. It wasn't, and I was not requesting corrective action for your remarks. And as far as you smearing Atsme, one needs only to scroll up to verify that that is exactly what you did, and you were warned by a Wikipedia administrator not to do that again. A warning which you ignored. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 19:24, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, you need to stop these attacks. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 19:33, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::Mate you aren't being attacked. Just stop disrupting threads and accusing editors of doing things they're not. Unless you're not here to build an encyclopedia, in which case that's a separate issue that needs to be handled a different way. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 20:04, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Also, AP and CNN have corrected their false stories in which they falsely claimed (without evidence) that Trump was talking about all immigrants.[https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/05/17/cnn-ap-correct-stories-saying-trump-called-immigrants-animals-clarify-he-meant-ms13-n2481809] Just so there's absolutely no confusion. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 20:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::You will be more successful here if you stop using such terrible sources. After Trump was heavily criticized for his language, Sarah Sanders said he meant something different, and CNN came out with an updated story adding Sarah Sanders' claims. But, the comment that they were forced to take back their original story is false. We’ll never know what was in Trump’s mind because his wording wanders and disconnects. That’s not the fault of news sources. It is the fault of your source to claim: "CNN, AP Forced to Correct Stories Saying Trump....” and the CNN story was NOT false. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 21:08, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::And by "terrible," you mean "conservative." Yes, we've established this and I don't share your view. Trump was "heavily criticized" by Democrats and their communications team (New York Times, CNN, AP, WaPo, etc.). CNN's tweet reads: {{tq|"Trump’s remarks late Wednesday were in response to comments about members of MS-13 and other undocumented immigrants who are deported for committing crimes."}}[https://twitter.com/CNN/status/997170505609302016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Flaurettabrown%2F2018%2F05%2F17%2Fcnn-ap-correct-stories-saying-trump-called-immigrants-animals-clarify-he-meant-ms13-n2481809&tfw_site=townhallcom] That completely contradicts your narrative that he was referring to all immigrants. CNN was caught taking Trump's remarks out of context in order to advance their political agenda. AP says: {{tq|"AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members"}}.[https://twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Flaurettabrown%2F2018%2F05%2F17%2Fcnn-ap-correct-stories-saying-trump-called-immigrants-animals-clarify-he-meant-ms13-n2481809&tfw_site=townhallcom] Another nail in the coffin for the argument that you made. That's directly from their Twitter accounts, so you don't have to worry about right-leaning sources. You may say the stories weren't false, but CNN and AP disagree with you and acted accordingly. You were wrong, and you owe me an apology for correctly pointing out that these two news orgs were putting out fake news. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 21:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::{{tq|And by "terrible," you mean "conservative."}} Again, you put words in my mouth I never said and never believed. I give up. No matter what I type, you change the words in your mind falsely claiming I believe things that never entered my mind. Communication is not possible under these circumstances. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 21:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::No I'm not. I know you never said those words. I'm adding transparency to what you are saying. You are trying to claim that editors should use the sources that you like, which are invariably left-leaning sources. I asked you a few times to name some conservative reliable sources and you refused/ignored the request. But you've got it right when you say we cannot communicate if you continue to only pick one part of my comment to reply to, and ignore the rest. In this case, you ignored the direct tweets from AP and CNN correcting their false stories that you repeated, perpetuating fake news and disrupting the Sean Hannity talk page in the process. You tried to dismiss the tweets as fake news since they were reprinted by a conservative website, and when I provided them straight from the source, you ignored them. Intolerable. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 21:31, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|You are trying to claim that editors should use the sources that you like, which are invariably left-leaning sources.}} And yet again, a completely false statement. For the fourth time you put words in my mouth that I never said and never believed. You simply aren’t honest. You debate by falsely claiming the other person believes and says things they do not believe or say. Strawman after strawman.  How do you ever expect to convince anyone of anything when you don’t even pay attention to their words and pretend they believe in ways alien to them? I will tell you once again, you haven’t the faintest concept of what I think. And, you will never get anywhere by ignoring what people say and adding ridiculous strawman arguments based on, it would seem, what your sources tell you about how people think. Since you are talking to yourself instead of me, I'll leave you to yourself. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 21:38, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I haven't had this problem with anyone except for you, thus far. Conversely, I have witnessed you get into kerfluffle after kerfluffle with other editors. What does that say to you? Yes, by all means leave me be if you refuse to apologize for your error and making false statements about what Donald Trump said. CNN, the AP, and myself know what really happened. I knew it before they did, but what matters is that they came around in the end. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 21:51, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I sympathize with what you're going through, Mr. Daniel Plainview, but I tend to blame the shift from journalistic objectivity to journalistic opinion and how some editors perceive news sources today, although they could be more collegial when responding to opposition. Regardless, no editor should have to endure the kind of bludgeoning some of us have been forced to endure and I commend you for your ability to maintain your composure through it all. If it's any consolation, it appears the media may finally be coming to their senses and will hopefully return to reporting real news...(nothing wrong with hoping)...
::::::::::::::#[http://thehill.com/homenews/media/387520-nyt-columnist-reporters-miss-important-stories-with-all-trump-all-the-time NYTimes] opinion columnist
::::::::::::::#[https://www.cjr.org/b-roll/magazine-fact-checking-online.php Columbia Journalism Review]
::::::::::::::#[https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/16/594282245/propublica-corrects-its-story-on-trump-s-cia-nominee-gina-haspel-and-waterboardi NPR] but I originally had [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aOSTDUqxmgsJ:money.cnn.com/2018/03/16/media/gina-haspel-propublica-new-york-times-abu-zubaydah/index.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari this CNN link] saved, but the page disappeared at the website and can only be accessed via web cache.
::::::::::::::#[http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170301-lies-propaganda-and-fake-news-a-grand-challenge-of-our-age  BBC]
::::::::::::::If nothing else, the reading will help keep your mind off the other stuff. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:19, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::: We can only hope, {{u|Atsme}}. I think it's absolutely shameful and sad what has happened to journalism in recent years, particularly the last 3 years or so (no coincidence). I especially liked the one about magazines not having the time to bother with checking facts. Absolutely brilliant, that. What I find particularly frustrating is that after definitely proving that what some of these people are printing and saying on television is demonstrably false, there will always be those who insist that we consume information from only certain outlets without a hint of skepticism and maintain a childlike trust of talking heads and writers. I personally need to do a better job of staying level-headed and not letting it get to me when I encounter such blatant bias and de-facto banning of non-liberal sources on Wikipedia. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 18:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC) 
 
I don't particularly care about the section heading {{u|BullRangifer}} but which article states that starting a new section with someone's user name in the title is against policy? [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 20:42, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

: You're welcome to use a better heading. I'm on my phone, so searching is difficult. Ask any admin. We only use names on noticeboards, where the name must be used. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 20:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:I haven't looked at the heading in question but the guideline is [[WP:TALKNEW]]: "Don't address other users in a heading: Headings invite all users to comment. Headings may be about specific edits but not specifically about the user. (Some exceptions are made at administrative noticeboards, where reporting problems by name is normal.)" --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 18:34, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::Right, thanks {{u|NeilN}}. Will avoid using user names in the future for new sections. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 18:42, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

== May 2018 ==

{{stop}} Please stop [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|battlegrounding]] at [[Talk:Sean Hannity]], as you recently did most blatantly [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sean_Hannity&diff=841859023&oldid=841787570 here]. Save those sorts of polarizing comments for user talk or WP space. I'm not about to report you, but it's disruptive, distracting, and unpleasant, and if it continues for much more then eventually I ''will'' request DS. --[[User:DrFleischman|Dr. Fleischman]] ([[User talk:DrFleischman|talk]]) 18:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, you're practically ''begging'' for trouble by associating yourself with The Devil's Advocate, as you did [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sean_Hannity&diff=841552569&oldid=841551810 here]. Presumably that was inadvertent, but still. A word of advice, stay as far away from GamerGate harassment as you possibly can. --[[User:DrFleischman|Dr. Fleischman]] ([[User talk:DrFleischman|talk]]) 18:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
:{{u|DrFleischman}} I was responding to a question from {{u|Markbassett}}, not "battlegrounding" anybody. If you would like discussions to continue elsewhere, there's a nicer way to ask than putting a big red hand on someone's talk page. I don't have any trouble keeping a civil and good-faith attitude, so long as the same courtesy is extended toward me - if not, my patience is tested, which is one of my many faults.  I can't help but notice that you've forgotten to put the hand on Objective3000's talk page, after he kicked the door open into a content discussion and started arguing about some random thing Trump said that he didn't like. His comment was far more off-topic and disruptive than mine, although I appreciate you trying to keep the peace. Thank you for the advice about GamerGate, although I must confess that I know very, very little about the topic so staying away will not be a problem. I didn't realize linking to an article meant that I am associating myself with the author, but I believe it has direct relevance to Markbassett's approach to improving the article. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 18:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::You might find that article helpful, but I suggest you keep it to yourself. The author is toxic here among a great many veterans, including ArbCom members. --[[User:DrFleischman|Dr. Fleischman]] ([[User talk:DrFleischman|talk]]) 18:51, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Editors who postdate (or didn't pay attention to) the GG nightmare are probably not aware of what took place. Anyway, the issue that concerns me is the fact that there is no consistency in the way Hannity and Maddow are being presented, one is a liberal pundit and the other a conservative pundit.  There's a section in Hannity titled ''Political commentary, controversies, and criticism'' whereas in Maddow the equivalent section is titled ''Political views'', and the article is one big puff-piece rather than an encyclopedic article written in a dispassionate tone in compliance with NPOV.  Don't want to shock anyone, but Maddow actually has been criticized, she promotes conspiracy theories and she gets stuff wrong. 😳 [https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-niger-travel-ban_us_59ea060fe4b05b4f1c3ad52f HuffPo], called her out on the Nigeria story, as did  [http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2017/10/do_not_try_to_turn_niger_into_trump_s_benghazi.html Slate], she doubled down in [http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/rachel-maddow-lots-of-people-have-been-very-upset-with-me-for-reporting-that/345715 Adweek], [http://www.nigeriatoday.ng/2017/10/get-your-facts-straight-michael-waltz-calls-out-maddow-for-ridiculous-theory-on-niger-attack-fox-news-insider/ Nigeria Today] called her out on her attempt to blame Trump for the Nigeria incident, [http://www.msnbc.com/topics/conspiracy-theories MSN] headlines have her show listed under Conspiracy Theories, so we could actually call her a conspiracy theorist, [https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/04/rachel-maddow-is-lost-in-her-cold-war-conspiracies.html Paste Mag] headline: "Rachel Maddow Is Lost in Her Cold War Conspiracies", [http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/21/rachel-maddow-called-out-by-fellow-liberals-for-pushing-anti-trump-conspiracy.html Fox] took a stab at it, and on and on.  Odd as it may seem, I couldn't find a thing in the Maddow article about her noteworthy gaffs/conspiracy theories. There's also the Trump tax return embarrassment: [https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-03-15/rachel-maddow-embarrassed-herself-democrats-on-donald-trumps-tax-returns US News] - ''Down the Tax Return Rabbit Hole'', [http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/14/media/rachel-maddow-donald-trump-2005-taxes/index.html CNN] - ''Rachel Maddow Turned a Scoop on Donald Trump’s Taxes Into a Cynical, Self-Defeating Spectacle''  and so on. Mr. DP - you can move this info over to Maddow's TP and start collaborating in an effort to get the article right, if you've a mind to; we should at least try to get it compliant with NPOV.  I'll be happy to help later but right now I'm working on an article that requires some pretty extensive source research. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::::I have nothing to say except that I have little interest in [[Rachel Maddow]] and I started this thread to address conduct, not content. --[[User:DrFleischman|Dr. Fleischman]] ([[User talk:DrFleischman|talk]]) 20:43, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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== Yikes ==

<s>Incredible, isn't it?  Just all of it.  "Period full stop". '''<span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">[[User:Winkelvi|-- ψλ]]</span>''' ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">[[User_talk:Winkelvi|✉]] [[Special:Contributions/Winkelvi|✓]]</span> 04:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)</s>
:I don't know what to make of any of this, to be quite honest! The policies seem alarmingly clear from my perspective, but I'm listening to a bureaucrat talk about how he/she doesn't need to prove anything because they know what's in someone's soul, and oh yes, that person is also a racist (per [[WP:SOUL]] again, I'm guessing). Oh that's actually a WikiLink. Learn something new here every day. [[User:Mr. Daniel Plainview|Mr. Daniel Plainview]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daniel Plainview#top|talk]]) 04:29, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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