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==Report==
Why are only the negative results from the report included in this article?  Shouldn't we include the entire report in the article or just link to it?  Why only quote half of it?[[User:68.50.107.40|68.50.107.40]] 21:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Brian

== "Mysterious Nature" section ==
There has to be a better way to do this... filling it with terminology that only makes sense to those who have been on Kairos (live the fourth etc.) is unprofessional and not in keeping with Wiki standards.  For now, I reverted to an older version -- if someone wants to work on developing a better version of this please do. [[Special:Contributions/72.49.114.130|72.49.114.130]] ([[User talk:72.49.114.130|talk]]) 02:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Process" section ==

Look, there has to be a better way of maintaining secrecy than blanking sections.  It's just not professional.  I appreciate that some degree of secrecy is necessary, but the things in the process section are common knowledge at schools where Kairos plays a big role.  It's a possible candidate for a rewrite by someone who knows more than I, but overall it looks fine to me.[[Special:Contributions/72.49.114.130|72.49.114.130]] ([[User talk:72.49.114.130|talk]]) 03:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

---I understand that it is unprofessional to leave blank spaces, but if we leave all this information about Kairos in public view, it squashes the "mysterious nature" and essentially the true purpose of Kairos. Leaving this info available to anyone who searches Wikipedia about Kairos before going on one basically destroys the spiritual purpose of the retreat and spoils the entire thing. Until someone can come up with a better way of writing more about Kairos without revealing every single event that goes on there, I believe that it should be better to leave things blank. Therefore, I have removed info which breaks the secrecy of Kairos, but left some info there which is mildly descriptive but not too vague as to what Kairos is about [[User:Worldnewser|Worldnewser]] ([[User talk:Worldnewser|talk]]) 00:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:<s>I have restored the information,</s> as [[WP:CENSOR|Wikipedia is not censored]]. This is an encyclopedia, & we can't remove relevant, verifiable information from secondary sources in order to protect the wrong eyes from seeing it. All of this information in this article already available on the Internet. If someone would like to keep it secret, they would be advised to avoid an uncensored encyclopedia article on the subject. '''<font face="times new roman">[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">hmwith</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]</font>''' 01:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, I hadn't seen the article in a while, & I assumed that you were simply talking about the state of the article the last time I read it. Information in any Wikipedia article must be [[WP:V|verifiable]] and have [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. There is no place for [[WP:OR|original research]] on any article. I removed all of the unsourced information. Please do not re-add any information without references. '''<font face="times new roman">[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">hmwith</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]</font>''' 01:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:: Surely saying that information relating to what happens at one of these things because "it spoils the surprise" is somewhat counter to Wikipedia policy. Go on to the Wiki page for [[The Sixth Sense]], you think they censored the fact that Bruce Willis is a ghost all along on that page? If the [[Church of Scientology]] have all of their beliefs up (despite claiming copyright infringement) then why are these being censored?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.47.222.104|80.47.222.104]] ([[User talk:80.47.222.104|talk]]) 16:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Having made this retreat, I took out some parts that are too revealing.  I feel a bit like I'm biasing this, and before I Kairosed I hate all the secrecy around it.  A lot of people try to find things out about the retreat before they go, and I'm going to be narrowminded and impose my "I know better and you'll thank me later" attitude.  I'm not joking and I don't feel bad.  -BP

: I strongly disagree. Wikipedia should be an unbiased source of information, unlike what you've imposed. Removing relevant information due to your belief in the experience and mystery isn't how this works. The whole air of secrecy around this retreat has no place on this platform. All relevant information should be re-added. [[User:ABoringEditor|ABoringEditor]] ([[User talk:ABoringEditor|talk]]) 01:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

== Secrecy Section ==

Is ANY of this stuff documented anywhere?  Can it even be documented as urban legend?  I move to scrap the whole section unless someone, somewhere can come up with a citation, preferably a proper one as defined by WP rules.  Seriously, if half this stuff was true, you think there'd at least be a findable court case or exposee in the media.[[User:Venus Copernicus|Venus Copernicus]] ([[User talk:Venus Copernicus|talk]]) 21:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

More of the same I see ... stuff taken out for being unreferenced, then added back with accusations of "censorship".  Figure it out people. [[User:Venus Copernicus|Venus Copernicus]] ([[User talk:Venus Copernicus|talk]]) 14:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

==History==

The ''History'' section gives a rather different perspective to that given in the [[Walk to Emmaus]] article, although broadly compatible. Possibly both need some NPOVing.

See also http://www.kairos.org.au which is a similarly named and structured program in Australian prisons, based on a prison ministry by the same name in the USA. IMO both Kairos Prison Ministry Australia (aka KPMA) and its parent US movement should be mentioned in this article, and possibly deserve articles of their own. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 17:51, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

See http://www.upperroom.org/emmaus/whatis/history.asp for another brief history. Interesting. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 17:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

==References==
Ok, this article has two problems with references:
*First, it needs to present independent, third-party references dedicated to the topic in order to establish notability ([[WP:ORG]]).
*Second, once this is achieved, it is ok to use primary references, but these primary references need to be properly identified. Just dumping an url is not enough. Identify Author, title and year of publication. If it doesn't have these, it's not a reference.
As it stands, this article isn't fit for inclusion in Wikipedia. I am sure with some work, the proper references ''could'' be collected, but the burden of doing this lies with the people who are interested in keeping the article. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 20:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

== Processors ==

Does "Processors" mean "Retreatants"? --[[User:Richardson mcphillips|Richardson mcphillips]] ([[User talk:Richardson mcphillips|talk]]) 23:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

== External links modified ==

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