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== Grounding re [[2011 Qantas trade union disputes]] ==

The section on industrial action here seems to be rather biased in favour of Qantas management. 

[1] Qantas is painted as an airline with declining profits which is only kept "afloat" (should be "aloft") by a few routes. This neglects the fact that prior to the grounding, Qantas' profits had steadily improved since the GFC. Qantas' profits are projected to go down in 2011/12, but by almost exactly the same amount as their grounding has cost the airline and even so it is still operating at a profit.
[2] The workers' wishes seem to be painted as unreasonable by notes about their 'demands' and the addition of talk about bonuses and perks. One could more easily, simply and accurately note that workers at current levels stand to see a decline in real wages and don't see this as acceptable (wage rises and CPI are both given in the article anyhow).
[3] Concerns over losing the Australian character of the airline - and particularly Australian jobs being outsourced - were also at the heart of the dispute, but this isn't mentioned even in this short section.

The extreme nature of Qantas' grounding, allegations that it had been pre-prepared and was implemented cynically and the immediate context (the Qantas AGM, Joyce's bonus) could easily be included in this section as well, although since there is a whole page on the IR dispute, this probably isn't necessary. In any case, making the selection of facts presented in this section more neutral is needed.

  [[User:Mxmlitvinov|Mxmlitvinov]] ([[User talk:Mxmlitvinov|talk]]) 06:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

We currently have this event mentioned in 2 places on the page. Under "Company affairs and identity" at [[Qantas#Labour row grounding]] and under "Airline incidents" at [[Qantas#2011 industrial unrest and grounding of fleet]]. Just FYI. The 2nd mention was AFAIK put in after the other, but is a better update IMHO. [[user:220.101.30.184|'''220.101.30''']] [[User talk:220.101.30.184|''<small>talk</small>'']]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/220.101.30.184|''\edits'']]</sup> <small>(aka [[user:220.101.28.25|'''220.101''']])</small> 19:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Please read page 5259 of hansard  federal parliment of australia records
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/dailys/ds230811.pdf  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Malbeare|Malbeare]] ([[User talk:Malbeare|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Malbeare|contribs]]) 09:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Qantas Frequent Flyer section ==

I noticed that the frequent flyer section really reads like a travel guide or advertisement and it goes into too much detail about the benefits of certain levels of the program.  I suggest we delete the table and just summarize the stuff that was in it.  In my opinion the whole section should be viewable without having to scroll up and down the page.  &mdash;[[User:Compdude123|Compdude123]] ([[User talk:Compdude123|talk]]) 05:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== Acronym vs. initialism ==

There has been a recent discrepancy among many editors as to whether QANTAS is an acronym or an initialism. As per Wiktionary, an initialism is “A term formed from the initial letter or letters of several words or parts of words, but which is itself pronounced letter by letter”, while an acronym is “An abbreviation formed by (usually initial) letters taken from a word or series of words, that is itself pronounced as a word, such as RAM, radar, or scuba; sometimes contrasted with initialism”. That said, QANTAS is clearly an acronym. I therefore apologise for my reverts.--[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]] ([[User talk:Jetstreamer|talk]]) 21:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== What does QANTAS stand for? ==

QANTAS' new meaning stands for:

Queens
And
Nomads
Together
Australia
Survives  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/27.33.152.243|27.33.152.243]] ([[User talk:27.33.152.243|talk]]) 03:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Please read [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|the talk page guidelines]].  This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject or for posting snarky comments like you just did.  Rather it is for discussing ''improvements'' to the article.  &mdash;[[User:Compdude123|Comp]][[User talk:Compdude123|<font color="green">dude</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Compdude123|123]]</sup> 03:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

== History of QANTAS ==

I have merged the history of qantas article with the main article as the history section required expansion and a separate article had all the details needed for the main article. [[User:Printpost|Printpost]] ([[User talk:Printpost|talk]]) 12:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:All of that info was split off this article twenty months ago because this article was getting too big, so I have reverted the edit. [[User:YSSYguy|YSSYguy]] ([[User talk:YSSYguy|talk]]) 13:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:The history section in this article still requires expansion.  Take [[United Airlines#History]] and [[British Airways#History]] as guides; both of these articles have history sub-articles.  &mdash;[[User:Compdude123|Comp]][[User talk:Compdude123|<font color="green">'''dude'''</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Compdude123|<font color="black">''123''</font>]]</sup> 19:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

== Unaccompanied child policy ==

An addition has been made under this heading describing the recently highlighted policy of moving men away from unaccompanied children as [[Reverse discrimination]]. Firstly, it's simply not reverse discrimination. It's just discrimination, if anything. (Or maybe just plain dumb.) Secondly, under a heading like that we should be describing the whole policy on unaccompanied children (how the airline manages them overall, etc), not just a recent drama. I have removed the entry. Happy to see something better worded and titled included in the article. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 17:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:First, removing the entire paragraph just because you disagree with one adjective ("reverse") in it is not constructive and may be interpreted as [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. 
:Banning men from seats next to unaccompanied children on flights is a case of [[reverse discrimination]] because
:a. this is a gender issue (undisputable) and since men have been traditionally the dominant sex (undisputable fact) and reverse discrimination is defined as "against members of a dominant or majority group" (see lead), discriminating these male passengers is ''reverse'' discrimination, not just discrimination.
:b. the term has also been used explicitly in one of the cited articles [http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/nurse-humiliated-by-qantas-policy-20120813-243t4.html "I hate to say this but it is a sign of that reverse discrimination that occasionally exists out there," he said.]
:PS: Just saw that there is actually already a section concerning the matter: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas#Sex_discrimination_controversy Sex discrimination controversy]. I will add contents there, did not see it before. [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] ([[User talk:Gun Powder Ma|talk]]) 18:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
[[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] ([[User talk:Gun Powder Ma|talk]]) 18:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

::I did not remove the entire paragraph just because I disagreed with one adjective. One of the most frustrating problems I find in conversation on Wikipedia is when I make two distinct points in a post, and someone replies as if I had made only one. That you argue in that manner suggests that we have a real comprehension problem here. And I still say that it's not a case of reverse discrimination. That one writer wrongly says so doesn't make it so. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 20:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Care to address my argumentation above? You also undid [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reverse_discrimination&diff=507620062&oldid=507574023 the entire edit] at [[reverse discrimination]]. I will reinstate the material one more time. If you keep on reverting, I am going to ANI over it. It is difficult to see that your reverts are done in good faith. [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] ([[User talk:Gun Powder Ma|talk]]) 10:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

::::You're clearly in no mood to discuss right now. Maybe later. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 11:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Guys, calm down.  I don't see why this has to be a big deal.  Take a break.  Personally I think that even having a section on sex discrimination controversy is just like focusing on a minor disagreement.  Don't turn this article into another [[Ryanair]], where every little controversy is covered down to the finest detail.  &mdash;[[User:Compdude123|Comp]][[User talk:Compdude123|<font color="green">'''dude'''</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Compdude123|<font color="black">''123''</font>]]</sup> 19:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

== 787 cancellation? ==

Heads up: ''Qantas says it will cancel its firm order for 35 Boeing 787-9 aircraft, representing an $US8.5 billion ($A8.12 billion) reduction in capital expenditure at list prices.'' [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/qantas-posts-245m-net-loss-for-201112-20120823-24nid.html] --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 23:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

== Qantas Ambassador ==

I was just wondering whether this article should list the current ambassadors or at least mention that John Travolta is a Qantas ambassador, as he appears in their inflight safety video, I don't believe we need create a whole new section for it, as that would be preposterous, however perhaps adding that to the main introductory paragraph? Suggestions anyone? I can confirm this is true through the Qantas website as it talks about his 'love affair' after discovering Qantas at a young age. Please can we raise this for discussion? Thanks. [[User:John.dinsdale|John.dinsdale]] ([[User talk:John.dinsdale|talk]]) 08:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think including the matter in the introduction adds to the article, and this is not that important to be in the lead section. Maybe elsewhere.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]</sup> 10:24, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was thinking, but unless we make a section for 'Key People' there is not much point in creating a whole new section for a few Qantas ambassadors. What do you think? [[User:John.dinsdale|John.dinsdale]] ([[User talk:John.dinsdale|talk]]) 12:05, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

== New Slogan ==

There is a new slogan as stated on qantas.com/you. Should we change it?
[[User:ABXInferno|ABXInferno]]  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 10:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This isn't a new slogan, the slogan is still The Spirit of Australians. This is just a campaign phrase, that is being used in television commercials and print. I live in Australia, and I know for fact that Qantas still employs The Spirit of Australians on their aircraft livery, logo and documents. This is simply a new campaign.[[User:John.dinsdale|John.dinsdale]] ([[User talk:John.dinsdale|talk]]) 13:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

== Awards Section ==

This section contains a pretty much useless list. Any thoughts about removing it please? --[[User:JetBlast|JetBlast]] ([[User talk:JetBlast|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
: I agree, this section seems quite pointless. Also, the information is (not surprisingly) well out of date. Delete! -  [[User:Carbonix|Carbonix]] ([[User talk:Carbonix|talk]]) 19:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I agree too.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]</sup> 12:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

== Frequent Flyer logo ==

I have reverted LibStar's removal of the logo. It has been here a long long time, he needs to discuss why it shouldn't be here any longer. His personal assessment that it adds "little value" is insufficient. '''[[User:Fry1989|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Fry1989</span>]]''' <sup>'''[[User talk:Fry1989|<span style="color:#CC0000;">eh?</span>]]'''</sup>  04:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

: WP is an encyclopaedia, the main corporate logo is fine and those of subsidiaries like jetstar but how exactly does the frequent flyer logo help a reader? [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 07:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

::These logos are standard practice for our articles about major airlines. I've reinserted both. Cheers. --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 08:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Yes as said, the logos are standard practice on dozens of airline articles. Clearly we like to illustrate things when we can. If the logo was free content and on Commons, I would be less worried, but when the result of removing the logo is that it will be deleted as an orphan, I feel we need a higher standard of reasoning for it's removal. Right now, there is no sufficient reason. '''[[User:Fry1989|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Fry1989</span>]]''' <sup>'''[[User talk:Fry1989|<span style="color:#CC0000;">eh?</span>]]'''</sup>  19:18, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
::::I guess that we could put the logos and the pictures of Qantas airliners on [[Frog|other articles]]. Solve the orphan problem nicely. Kinda entertaining to watch the reactions. --19:23, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Archived references not used in the article ==

*{{cite news|title= Qantas and IAG to terminate joint business|publisher= Centre for Aviation|date= 6 September 2012|url= http://centreforaviation.com/members/direct-news/qantas-and-iag-to-terminate-joint-business-81950|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/6AThGfpQR|archivedate= 6 September 2012}}
--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]</sup> 12:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== ''I still call Qantas Airways Limited... QANTAS!'' :P ==

Should we put in the intro that it's common name is QANTAS? What about the fact that it's pretty much always stylized as ''QANTAS''? Also, should the name above the infobox be just "QANTAS" on it own? (Ok, I was bored, so what ya gonna do about it hmm!? lol) [[User:AnimatedZebra|AnimatedZebra]] ([[User talk:AnimatedZebra|talk]]) 17:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:Anything to support that Qantas in capitals is a common name as appose to standard English with just the Q as a capital? --[[User:JetBlast|JetBlast]] ([[User talk:JetBlast|talk]]) 17:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
::On the Qantas website almost all uses of the name outside headings are written as ''Qantas''. Its [http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/about/investors/2012AnnualReport.pdf annual report] uses ''Qantas'' after the title pages. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 01:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
:::It still doesn't support it as being the common name. --[[User:JetBlast|JetBlast]] ([[User talk:JetBlast|talk]]) 08:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
::::What? What do you want to see? I've just done a search on my city's two major newspapers, The Age and the Herald Sun. Both seem to use ''Qantas'' exclusively, not ''QANTAS''. Is that enough? [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 10:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry i misread your last comment i agree with you --[[User:JetBlast|JetBlast]] ([[User talk:JetBlast|talk]]) 12:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

:I have tweaked the intro to show the article name Qantas first and the official name in brackets as has been done on other airline articles.  Might make it clearer for some of our readers. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 18:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

== No reference to John Travolta or his 707 ==

As brand ambassador, or as operator of the last Qantas 707 in service, why is there no reference to this? --[[User:Orestes1984|Orestes1984]] ([[User talk:Orestes1984|talk]]) 18:53, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

:Probably with regard to the 90-odd year history of the airline it is not that notable. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 18:56, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

::Relevant to the history no, but it should be a footnote under current fleet as it is a Quantas livery and maintained aircraft. [[Special:Contributions/50.90.100.201|50.90.100.201]] ([[User talk:50.90.100.201|talk]]) 16:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

== Second oldest in the world ==

In the intro it says it's the second oldest in the world and links to [[List of airlines by foundation date]]. However in the list, I can find two operating airlines, [[KLM]] and [[Avianca]], which were established earlier than Qantas, making Qantas the third oldest operating airline.--[[User:Quest for Truth|Quest for Truth]] ([[User talk:Quest for Truth|talk]]) 14:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:The link to the article is not important; that page should have its own references backing its content. [[WP:VERIFY|Just as with any other claim]], the fact that Qantas is the second oldest airline worldwide should be properly referenced. I'll mark the statement as unsourced if no supporting sources are present.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 20:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::{{cquote|Qantas is the second-oldest airline in the world, has its main hub in Sydney...}}
::There's nothing more to say. The claim in this article is impeccably sourced.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 21:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

:::An airline founded earlier than Qantas was merged with another airline in 1940. The new airline resulting from this merger was called Avianca. Airbus and Boeing have a habit of saying "Avianca, the second-oldest airline in the world, has ordered some of our planes" when they are blowing their trumpets, so the claim for Avianca being the second-oldest is verified as well. [[User:YSSYguy|YSSYguy]] ([[User talk:YSSYguy|talk]]) 21:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:::: I would not consider any company's marketing PR as a reliable source of encyclopedic information. --[[User:Dmol|Dmol]] ([[User talk:Dmol|talk]]) 21:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::The Qantas' stuff is not part of any marketing press release; it has been published in a third-party reliable source.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 22:55, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

== 734 fleet ==

Looking at the CASA reference, it shows eight 734s registered to Qantas - as per our table. --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 08:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Many news reports have indicated that the entire fleet has been retired from service. http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/02/end-of-an-era-as-qantas-retires-the-737-classic/ [[User:Bilbobagginsflyer|Bilbobagginsflyer]] ([[User talk:Bilbobagginsflyer|talk]]) 11:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Bilbobagginsflyer}}&nbsp;[[WP:VERIFY]] says that an [[WP:IC|inline citation]] to a [[WP:RELIABLE|reliable source]] should be provided for each change.I see no references provided by you, just removal of content.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 11:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

== Qantas documents ==

* [http://www.interact.aero/assets/flvs/qantas_carbon_640_high.flv Qantas and the Environment] ([http://www.webcitation.org/6QgM8hi0o Archive])
In case this video is discussed in a source, I have it archived
[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 02:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== B767 phasing out ==

According to The Daily Mail (and many other news websites), the B767 will be retired by 27 December 2014, earlier than previously announced. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762273/Final-boarding-call-Where-Qantass-Boeing-767s-die.html Can someone change this on the wiki page, since the page is semi-protected?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.27.33.216|84.27.33.216]] ([[User talk:84.27.33.216|talk]]) 15:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{Done}}{{bullet}}{{diff|Qantas|626520545|626279497|I've cited an industry-related source instead of the provided above.}}--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 20:11, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

== Qantas Flight Numbers attribution ==

Material from [[Qantas Flight Numbers]] was merged to Qantas on 12 May 2006 but no longer constitutes any part of the article. Per [[WP:MAD#Record authorship and delete history]], I am listing the users that contributed to that article. They are: Quaidy (creator; 8 edits from 13:39, 6 May 2006‎ – 03:39, 9 May 2006‎), ScottDavis (2 edits from 14:35, 6 May 2006 – 05:28, 9 May 2006‎), DB (15:30, 6 May 2006‎), Sb617 (3 edits from 13:21, 7 May 2006‎ – 14:14, 9 May 2006), Kungfuadam (merger; 20:21, 12 May 2006). For more information, please see the deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 29#Qantas Flight Numbers]]. Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;">[[User:Tavix|<b>Tavix</b>]] |[[User_talk:Tavix|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 19:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

== External links modified ==

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

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==Hubs & Secondary Hub Update==
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As far as I can ascertain these need updating however I'm having trouble finding documentation on the hubs, I'd consider that the [[Qantas]] hubs are as follows but would like this discuss before it is updated as I can only base this off interactive route maps.

Hubs
*[[Sydney International Airport]]
*[[Brisbane International Airport]]
*[[Melbourne International Airport]]

Secondary Hubs:
*[[Adelaide International Airport]]
*[[Dubai International Airport]]
*[[Los Angeles International Airport]]
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== New Qantas skyscrapers in Sydney ==

From the History section:<blockquote>In the 1970s a new A$50 million headquarters, consisting of twin skyscrapers, was being built in Sydney and expected to take one city block. The first and largest tower had an expected completion time in 1973.</blockquote>

Do we have any news on this exciting new development? --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 02:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's probably [[Suncorp Place]]. [[User:Hack|Hack]] ([[User talk:Hack|talk]]) 04:47, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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== New Qantas branding ==

I think there needs to be a picture of the new Qantas logo and livery. And also the title at the top of the info box says QANTAS, but it's actually Qantas.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AWwikipedia|AWwikipedia]] ([[User talk:AWwikipedia#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AWwikipedia|contribs]]) 07:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Structure of Article and Questionable "facts" ==

Relative newcomer to Wikipedia editing here... Have a few thoughts about this article. It's a shame this article has had a "cleanup" tag on it since 2014, although having read it I can kind of see why. I'm happy to spend some time on the article, re-writing parts of it and finding sources, although that'd be time wasted if its all just reverted :) Hence putting this out there for to see if there is any strong opinions either way first :)

== Article Structure ==
I've spent some time looking around other airline articles. It seems the Qantas article is a little 'out of sync' in places.

Some possible changes:

* Rearrange the headings under corporate affairs a little. Logically Headquarters would seem to come before 'Business Trends' which is something in other articles that is lower on the list under 'corporate affairs'
* Consider moving the 'Promotional Activities' out under its own level 1 heading similar to the [[Air New Zealand]] article. Some of their more notable campaigns and marketing initiatives could be expanded upon in this article 
* Consider a 'Corporate Identity' level 1 heading as per [[American Airlines]]. The article seems to be missing a logo overview as seems to be common for many other airlines - any particular reason why it shouldn't be added? The content about uniforms could be moved under a corporate identity section as well?
* Qantas Frequent Flyer. This could perhaps be renamed loyalty, with QFF coming under a sub-heading and some of the other loyalty division initiatives could be expanded upon - such as their acquisition of data analytics firms?
* Qantas Club. This should perhaps be renamed lounges as per some other airline articles. The Qantas Club is the lowest level of domestic lounge. There is also the domestic business lounge, international business and international first lounges. Some other airline articles break them up, some don't. It's arguably not quite correct to suggest the entire lounge network comes under the banner of the 'Qantas Club', however.
* Airline Incidents. Add a 'Controversy' level 1 heading as is common in other airline articles and break off the content that is currently in 8.2-8.5 to that heading.

== Content ==

Some observations. Is it just me?

* The fundamental structural change section seems a little confusing to me. Much like the banner suggests, this doesn't seem to set the broader overview well for activities since 2011. The section starts by referring to 2014 then jumps back to 2011. Statements such as "Qantas is attempting to turn around their international operations" refer to 2011 although the wording doesn't seem quite right given it's now 2017?
* The inflight entertainment section seems to be a little confusing and doesn't set the scene before jumping into all manner of particulars about the systems?
* The Qantas Freqent Flyer section seems to be missing some basic points such as the number of members?

=== Questionable Statements ===

* The 'Inflight Entertainment' section has a paragraph on QUBE. This doesn't seem to have a great deal to do with and IFE and seems to be referring to an internal business system. -- Is it relevant for this section?
* Paragraph 6 of the IFE section refers to Inflight Internet and kind of makes the inference that in flight internet is available. For the most part its definitely not available on Qantas Aircraft<ref>http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
</ref>. They may have had every intention to in 2007, although 10 years later now they are only starting to trial it again for domestic services, and that trial isn't even happening yet. One of the sources in that paragraph is to a travel blog of sorts that even mentions in that review it didn't actually work and hadn't been activated, an option simply existed for it in the IFE.
[[User:Nickw25|Nickw25]] ([[User talk:Nickw25|talk]]) 14:54, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

* The codeshare list section seems to have a few questionable statements.
# Suggest remove Air NZ: Despite what the reference says Air New Zealand doesn't appear to be a code-share member. Given Qantas operates its own domestic NZ airline and is in a different alliance it certainly doesn't make much sense! There is no mention of any agreement on the Qantas OneWorld Page<ref>https://www.oneworld.com/member-airlines/qantas</ref>, the Qantas Partner Page<ref>https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/earning-points-partner-airlines</ref> or the Air NZ Partner Page<ref>https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/star-alliance</ref>
# Suggest remove Alliance Airlines: No mention of any partnership on either airlines website. Alliance is working through a partnership with Virgin Australia.<ref>http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/01/virgin-australia-and-alliance-airlines-call-on-accc-to-reverse-course-and-approve-charter-partnership/</ref> It seems there was some kind of partnership back in the 2000's<ref>http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qantas-frequent-flyer/821507-qantas-alliance-airlines-bne-mky.html</ref> although with no references on either site and doing business with the competition it would appear to be ceased.
# Suggest remove Kenya Airways. It seems there was an intention in 2010 <ref>http://australianaviation.com.au/2010/10/qantas-to-codeshare-with-kenya-airways/</ref> although as of 2017 no mention on the Qantas Website or Kenya Airlines Partner list<ref>https://www.kenya-airways.com/about-us/kq-partners/codeshare-partners/en/</ref>. All searches on the Qantas booking engine to Kenya route via Dubai on Emirates code shares.

Does anyone else have any further info on any of these particulars?
--[[User:Nickw25|Nickw25]] ([[User talk:Nickw25|talk]]) 01:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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== Adding Richard Champion dè Crespigny in the Notable People tab ==

Should I add Richard Champion dè Crespigny in the Notable People tab of Qantas, as he IS the man who safely brought Qantas's first A380, to ground.  [[User:PratyakshM|PratyakshM]] ([[User talk:PratyakshM|talk]]) 04:41, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
:No, notable people is for key executives and personnel, not a pilot who landed a plane in a barely notable incident that only involved a single engine failure (like has been done thousands of times before by other pilots.) He has no notability in the running of the company. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<font color="Blue">'''Canterbury Tail'''</font>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']] 11:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

== Current fleet size ==

Which website is a reliable source of fleet size?
Reference number 93 94 can’t see the fleet size number.

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== Indigenous art table ==

Hello wikipedia,

Some other pages in wikipedia have got a table regarding the airline's special liveries.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnair#Special_liveries] I was thinking of adding a table relating Qantas's 5 aircraft with special livery, however there are already a large number of paragraphs on this subject. Is an extra table necessary?

[[User:Caturday-Saturday|Caturday-Saturday]] ([[User talk:Caturday-Saturday|talk]]) 01:08, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

:is listing every special livery really encyclopaedic - because if you have a table that is what will happen very quickly and very pedantically.[[User:Andrewgprout|Andrewgprout]] ([[User talk:Andrewgprout|talk]]) 03:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
:It is definitely not encyclopedic.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 16:16, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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== Livery gallery ==

I was asked to move this into talk for discussion by [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] with the comment "looks a bit over the top - images far to big and the section unbalances the whole article per [[WP:WEIGHT]] - perhaps take to talk to see if it is noteworthy and id it is could be done better"

The following is a lightly edited version of the livery/logo history section I had added as {{oldid|Qantas|882380747}}. I'd rather not lose the work, if possible. I believe that at least six images are required to show the evolution of the livery (1959, 1961, 1971, 1984, 2007, 2016) and earlier ones could be included as well (the livery on VH-EAG, for instance, is a close analog to the early Super Constellation livery, down to the tail logos). I believe the evolution of the livery is appropriate for a section entitled "Livery", but as suggested, have brought it over to talk for noteworthiness, inclusion, and/or possible relocation (perhaps [[History of Qantas]]?).

Cheers, [[User:Mliu92|Mliu92]] ([[User talk:Mliu92|talk]]) 18:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

:For what it's worth, I have (in the past) added similar galleries to relevant transportation articles without reversion:
:*[[History of United Airlines#Brand history|History of United Airlines]]
:*[[British Airways#Liveries, logos, and tail fins|British Airways]]
:*[[Southern Pacific Transportation Company#Locomotive paint and appearance|Southern Pacific]]
:*[[Caltrain#Logos, markings, and liveries|Caltrain]]
:*[[AC Transit#Bus fleet|AC Transit]]
:Cheers, [[User:Mliu92|Mliu92]] ([[User talk:Mliu92|talk]]) 19:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

===History of livery and logos===
The Qantas kangaroo logo made its first appearance in 1944, painted on a [[Consolidated B-24 Liberator|Liberator]] to celebrate the renaming of the Indian Ocean Route to "Kangaroo Service". The design was adapted from the design on the reverse side of the [[Penny (Australian coin)|contemporary one-penny coin]].<ref name=livery-ages>{{cite web |url=https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/History-Qantas-Tales-Face-Sheet.pdf |title=Qantas livery throughout the ages. |publisher=Qantas Newsroom |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> To better suit its airborne nature, the wings were added to the kangaroo in 1947 by [[Gert Sellheim]]<ref name=Hulsbosch>{{cite web |url=http://www.hulsbosch.com.au/case-study-qantas/ |title=Case Study: Qantas |date=2007 |publisher=Hulsbosch |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> and it was painted on the tail of the [[Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation|Lockheed Super Constellation]]s in 1954.<ref name=livery-ages/> These Super Constellations used a predominantly white livery with a red "belt" at the passenger window line.

<gallery mode="packed" heights="150px" style="text-align:left">
File:Boeing 707-138, Qantas JP6862511.jpg|[[Boeing 707]] with red wordmark on white tail and red belt, livery used 1959–1961
File:Boeing 707-138B, Jett Clipper Johnny JP27930.jpg|Boeing 707 with "V-Jet" tail and red belt, livery used 1961–1971
File:Boeing 747-238B, Qantas AN2122811.jpg|[[Boeing 747]] with "Flying Kangaroo" tail and ochre belt, livery used 1971–1984
</gallery>
In 1959, Qantas was the first airline outside the United States to receive the new [[Boeing 707]] jet aircraft,<ref name=Qantas-707/> making its inaugural flight from Sydney to San Francisco on 29 July 1959.<ref name=livery-ages/> The aircraft of the initial 707 fleet were painted with white tailfins marked with the red "flying kangaroo" logo and the Qantas wordmark.<ref name=livery-ages/><ref name=why-v-jet/> Qantas later purchased the 707-138B variant with turbofan engines in 1961; these were prominently painted with red tailfins marked with the words "V-Jet" ("V" standing for the Latin word ''vannus'', meaning fan).<ref name=Qantas-707>{{cite web |url=https://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/history-jet-age/global/en |title=Entering the Jet Age |publisher=Qantas |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref><ref name=why-v-jet>{{cite web |url=http://www.707.adastron.com/qantas/why-vjet.htm |title=Why V-Jet? |author= |date= |publisher=VH-JET#1 & Her Sisters |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> In 1998, actor [[John Travolta]] acquired one of the 707-138Bs originally delivered to Qantas in 1961, had it repainted in the V-Jet livery in 2002, and donated it to the [[Historical Aircraft Restoration Society]].<ref>{{cite news |url=http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/12/john-travolta-commits-to-personally-deliver-boeing-707-to-hars/ |title=John Travolta commits to personnal deliver Boeing 707 to HARS |date=December 8, 2017 |work=Australian Aviation |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref>

To mark the arrival of the new [[Boeing 747|747]] in 1971, the flying kangaroo logo was made the dominant tailfin element and the passenger window "belt" color was changed to ochre.<ref name=livery-ages/><ref name=why-v-jet/>

<gallery mode="packed" heights="150px" style="text-align:left">
File:Frola 71021 1267217023 (5777148411).jpg|[[Boeing 767]] with "Roo" tail and "Spirit of Australia" [[strapline]], livery used 1984–2007
File:Qantas Airbus A380-842; VH-OQB@SIN;07.08.2011 617bq (6069396936).jpg|[[Airbus A380]] with "New Roo" tail, livery used 2007–2016
File:VH-ZNF 02092018LHR (29596062827).jpg|[[Boeing 787]] with [[Marc Newson|Newson]]/Houston Group-designed "Silver Roo" tail, livery used 2016–present
</gallery>
The livery was updated again in 1984 preceding the launch of [[Boeing 767]] service for Qantas in 1985. The flying kangaroo on the tail lost its wings and the colored "belt" was dropped, but the tailfin color now extended onto the fuselage.<ref name=livery-ages/> Hans Hulsbosch worked on the 1984 logo update, and proposed the [[advertising slogan|strapline]] "Spirit of Australia", which had previously been used in marketing materials, should be added to the exterior markings.<ref name=Hulsbosch />

The next major revision occurred in 2007, bringing a "polished, contoured Flying Kangaroo".<ref name=livery-ages/> The 2007 revision was carried out by Hulsbosch Communications, leading a creative team that included input from [[Peter Morrissey]], [[Neil Perry]], and [[Marc Newson]].<ref name=Hulsbosch /> The revision also included an exclusive typeface to match the new kangaroo and was first deployed on a 767, ahead of the launch of [[Airbus 380]] service. Qantas Exective General Manager [[John Borghetti]] stated "the differences are subtle but distinctive ... our new flying kangaroo is sleeker and more contoured than the current version - a modern take on a design that has stood the test of time."<ref>{{cite press release |url=http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/au/publicaffairs/details?ArticleID=2007/jul07/3621 |title=New Logo Takes Qantas Into the A380 Era |date=24 July 2007 |location=Sydney |publisher=Qantas Newsroom |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20070805022108/http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/au/publicaffairs/details?ArticleID=2007/jul07/3621 |archivedate=5 August 2007}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/the_kangaroo_with_more_power.php |title=The Kangaroo With More Power |author=Feldhouse, John |date=July 25, 2007 |publisher=Brand New |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> The kangaroo's feet were carried forward to avoid the illusion that they had been cut off by the aircraft's wings, and the wing/tail was brought back to give it a more dynamic, in-flight look.<ref name=Hulsbosch />

In 2016, a new livery with an updated kangaroo logo and exclusive typography designed by Marc Newson in partnership with Houston Group<ref name=silver-PR>{{cite press release |url=https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/flying-kangaroo-receives-an-update-as-qantas-prepares-to-welcome-dreamliner/ |title=Flying Kangaroo receives an update as Qantas prepares to welcome Dreamliner |date=27 October 2016 |publisher=Qantas Newsroom |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://houstongroup.com.au/projects/qantas-rebrand/ |title=Projects: Qantas Rebrand |publisher=Houston Group |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> was unveiled on an [[Airbus A330-300]] in preparation for the delivery of the first [[Boeing 787]] for Qantas.<ref>{{cite news |url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/10/31/qantas-logo-livery-dreamliner/93074980/ |title=Qantas reveals new logo, livery and Dreamliner interior |author=Baskas, Harriet |date=October 31, 2016 |newspaper=USA Today |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> According to Newson, a silver band was added "to give a more premium feel" and the typography was "carefully streamlined". The Qantas wordmark was added to the belly to enhance visual recognition from the group.<ref name=silver-PR /> The tail kangaroo was made significantly more abstract, losing its arms and having a simplified head.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/new_logo_identity_and_livery_for_qantas_by_houston_group.php |title=Tail You Win, Head You Lose |author=Vit, Armin |date=October 27, 2016 |publisher=Brand New |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref> The winged kangaroo of 1947 was also reapplied to the nose.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Evolving-Icon-Changes-Qantas-Livery.pdf |title=Evolving an icon: Changes to Qantas' livery |publisher=Qantas Newsroom |date=October 2016 |accessdate=8 February 2019}}</ref>

{{ref-talk}}

:What about creating a stand-alone article? I concur with {{u|MilborneOne}} that this unbalances the article.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 20:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
::Standalone article would be fine as well, but I'm not sure the standard livery history is worth an article on its own. I suggested [[History of Qantas]] because the last sub-section of that article is already a logo history, and this would slot in nicely there. Are there official names for the liveries? I suggest the following nicknames for ease of reference:
* 1959: 'Red Stripe'
* 1961: 'V-Jet'
* 1971: 'Flying Roo'
* 1984: 'Roo'
* 2007: 'New Roo'
* 2016: 'Silver Roo'
::(Alternatively, the date of first usage could be employed). Cheers, [[User:Mliu92|Mliu92]] ([[User talk:Mliu92|talk]]) 21:45, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

:Thanks [[User:Mliu92]], I dont have a problem with it being in the history airticle it may not survive as a stand-alone. It the same issue with British Airways so I would suggest that could be moved to history as well, United is already in history.  [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 08:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

::Thanks again for the suggestion [[User:MilborneOne]]! I moved the content into [[History of Qantas]] and will do the same for the British Airways livery section. Cheers, [[User:Mliu92|Mliu92]] ([[User talk:Mliu92|talk]]) 00:29, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

== 747 flypast ==

[[File:747-400ER (VH-OEE) Final Commercial Flight for Qantas 01 (cropped).jpg|thumb|747-400ER (VH-OEE) performing a flypast over Sydney at the end of what is likely to be the final commercial flight by a Qantas 747, on 29 March 2020<ref>{{cite web |title=KLM, Qantas Reportedly Flying Final 747 Flights This Weekend |url=https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/03/27/klm-qantas-flying-final-747-flights-this-weekend/ |website=AirlineGeeks.com |accessdate=30 March 2020 |language=en |date=27 March 2020 |quote=VH-OEE is expected to make the fleet’s final passenger flight when it departs Santiago, Chile and arrives in Sydney on March 28. Flight QF28 is expected to arrive at 5:50 p.m. local time}}</ref>]]

The above image has been removed, twice. The first time the edit summary was "QANTAS has not retired the 747. Stop Posting."; I restored with a citation (as seen above), and the edit summary "Restored with source - and you don't need to remove the image if you disagree with the caption"; it was removed again with the edit summary "No need for the image".

That's not how Wikipedia works.

{{reflist-talk}}

-- <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:"Likely to be" is pure speculation. I suggest removing the image per [[WP:CRYSTAL]].--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 16:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Jetstreamer}} Please cite the part of WP:CRYSTAL that mandates the removal of images; or indeed text such as that as in this example. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:::"Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident." That said, "Likely to be" marks it has not been definite. The caption is at least misleading. If showing a Qantas 747 aircraft is the main intention I suggest changing the caption.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 18:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::::So nothing in WP:CRYSTAL mandates the removal of images; and yet the image has again been removed, citing exactly that page; and we agree that no claim that a "date" is "definite" is made. I also note that WP:CRYSTAL also includes {{tq|"It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about ... whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced."}} and {{tq|"Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included"}} <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{reply to|Pigsonthewing}} Please take everything in what Wikipedia is NOT into consideration here. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and encyclopaedias deal with long standing and well established details - not things that may turn out to be true (this is the main tenor of WP Crystal).  The 747 gone idea is possible but far from established.  Qantas announced that they were grounding their A380s a month or so ago and they have been flying almost daily to the US over the last week or so.  When you read advice in the Wikipedia help pages it is important to realise that the help given is rarely prescriptive, it gives examples of the sort of things that are necessary to buld a sensible reliable encyclopaedia.  Please do not expect the answer to be written in black and white and if it does not specifically answer the question you have say  "well that is OK then and do it anyway" that is not how it works.  [[User:Andrewgprout|Andrewgprout]] ([[User talk:Andrewgprout|talk]]) 23:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::OK, I've taken "everything in what Wikipedia is NOT into consideration". None of it mandates the removal of an image such as this and none of it mandates the removal of text such as that used in its caption. Would you now like to take into consideration the quotes from WP:CRYSTAL, which I gave above? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::: The source you referenced is not reliable and has been contradicted by many other, more reputable sites. The image isn't really relavent what purpose does it serve, none. It doesn't inform anyone. It would be more fitting for the image, if they had have been retired , which they have not to be placed in the Qantas History Article IMO.--[[User:Life200BC|Life200BC]] ([[User talk:Life200BC|talk]]) 10:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: There are plenty of other reliable, sites saying th same thing. No contradictory reliable site has been cited. The image is highly relevant. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-parking/ https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-boeing-747-retired All indicating that they have not being retired despite rumors suggesting otherwise. Until QANTAS announces that they have retired the planes i suggest that this speculative image and caption not be posted. If QANTAS does retire the Queen I believe that this would be a fitting addition.--[[User:Life200BC|Life200BC]] ([[User talk:Life200BC|talk]]) 10:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::: It's unclear why you believe that your source is more reliable than the one I gave above; but as I said other reliable sources also support the claim in my caption text. And in any case, if your source is correct, it neither mandates the removal of the image nor precludes a ''change'' to its caption. do you dispute that the aircraft conducted a flyby over Sydney? Why do you think that was? Why do you not think that event worthy of mention? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)