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==Complaint==
This article really needs some different perspective.  The term "new normal" is used to justify a dramatic shift in socioeconomic power, and is most often used to deflect criticisms and make a fatalistic plea for acceptance of such power shifts in an "end of history" sense.  Those using the term are typically aligned with interests that, unlike the vast majority of a given population, benefit from "trough" conditions in a business cycle.  In other words, it's a latter-day synonym for "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:67.51.122.18|67.51.122.18]] ([[User talk:67.51.122.18#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/67.51.122.18|contribs]]) 14:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</small>

== Rewrite and retitle?  Or split? ==

I'm somewhat surprised that, so far, updates to this page due to the [[COVID-19 pandemic]] have been relatively few.  But it seems that most of the article content is specifically about the events of 2007-12.  We need to either rework this article to redress the balance, or split it out.

There are essentially three topics:
# The generic concept of a 'new normal' as a state to which things settle following a major event, when this differs from the state of things before the event started.
# The financial conditions following the 2007-12 financial crisis and global recession.
# The state to which things will settle once the COVID-19 pandemic is over.

The current title seems to be appropriate only to topic 2.  Firstly, the disambiguator "(business)" doesn't make sense to the other topics, since both would cover society and other areas, not just business.  Secondly, I can only guess that "New Normal", as opposed to "new normal", is a name coined by the media as meaning specifically this.  A [https://www.google.com/search?q=new+normal quick Google search] tells me that, at least in relation to topic 3, it isn't a proper noun.  And it obviously isn't a proper noun in relation to topic 1.  (See also the [[wikt:new normal|Wiktionary definition]].)

The current article is mostly about 2 with a bit of 3 thrown in.  We could split out the info about 1 and 3 into a separate article.  Or we could rewrite this to cover all three topics without giving undue weight to any one of them.

Thinking about it now, I think the best idea is if we can rewrite this to be primarily about topic 1, with sections about 2 and 3.  I think simply [[New normal]], which is currently a redirect, would be the best title.  What do other people think to this idea? — [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 21:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Smjg}} will the title "[[New normal (term)]]" work? <span style="color:#4169e1; font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]]</span> <span style="background-color:#FFA500; font-family:Palatino">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span> 11:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
:: {{reply|JWilz12345}} Not sure about this.  I'm not sure I like "(term)" as a disambiguator personally.  Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be any other meaning to disambiguate it from - none of the other meanings listed at [[New Normal]] are of "new normal" written in lowercase.  We don't put articles at disambiguating titles when there are no other Wikipedia articles to disambiguate from.  For example, the article [[Boris Johnson]] isn't at [[Boris Johnson (politician)]] because there's no other Boris Johnson who has a Wikipedia article from whom he needs to be distinguished.  If we put it at the title [[New normal (term)]] then it would soon get moved to [[New normal]], so we might as well move it straight to [[New normal]] ITFP. — [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 13:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Smjg}} maybe, since in our country (the [[Philippines]]) the term "new normal" is imcreasingly used by media agencies here, whether [[GMA News]], [[ABS-CBN News]], [[Manila Bulletin]] etc.. I don't know in other countries, but I could notice [[CNN International|CNN]] and [[Channel NewsAsia]]'s use of the term with reference to the aftereffects of the pandemic situation. <span style="color:#4169e1; font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]]</span> <span style="background-color:#FFA500; font-family:Palatino">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span> 13:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

== Requested move 11 July 2020 ==

{{requested move/dated|multiple=yes
|current1=New normal (Economic)|new1=New normal|current2=New Normal|new2=New Normal (disambiguation)|}}

* [[:New normal (Economic)]] → {{no redirect|New normal}}
* [[:New Normal]] → {{no redirect|New Normal (disambiguation)}}
– Since the term "new normal" has an increasing use to mean a significant change during and/or after COVID-19 pandemic,<ref>{{cite web|accessdate=2020-07-11|title=There's nothing new about the 'new normal' - and here's why|url=https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/theres-nothing-new-about-this-new-normal-heres-why/|website=World Economic Forum}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|accessdate=2020-07-11|title=Beyond covid-19 lies a new normal—and new opportunities|url=https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/06/30/1004575/beyond-covid-19-lies-a-new-normal-and-new-opportunities/|website=MIT Technology Review}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|first1=Purushottam Basava and Smarthveer|last1=Sidana|accessdate=2020-07-11|title=The new normal|url=https://www.thehindu.com/education/the-new-normal/article31490906.ece|newspaper=The Hindu|date=2020-05-02|issn=0971-751X|via=www.thehindu.com}}</ref> the article is becoming [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] when talking about "new normal". Because of this, a lengthy discussion has been done regarding its rewrite and/or rename. I decided to [[WP:BOLD]]ly rewrite this article according to the [[Wikt:new normal|Wiktionary definition]]. Now, I am requesting to remove this incorrect "(business)" disambiguator, since it is an idiomatic term rather than just a business term. [[User:Soumya-8974|Soumya-8974]] <sup>[[User talk:Soumya-8974|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Soumya-8974|contribs]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Soumya-8974|subpages]]</sup> 05:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 1st as its likely primary per [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] but '''oppose''' 2nd for the same reason, see [[Friendly fire]]/[[Friendly Fire]] for example so people typing the capital "N" could well be looking for a proper noun, see views[[https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=New_Normal_(business)|New_Normal_(Homeland)|New_Normal_Music|The_New_Normal_(TV_series)|The_New_Normal_(album)|The_New_Normal_(book)]] and they will still have the 1st link to get to this article anyway. The DAB page should remain at the upper case base name without the "(disambiguation)" in the title. If this isn't moved the "economic" should be lower cased, namely [[New normal (economic)]] (or maybe [[New normal (economics)]]?) or just moved back to [[New normal (business)]]. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  17:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' move to "new normal". I created this article several years ago when the term was primarily business related in the wake of the financial crisis. It's now applied to the fall out from COVID and fall outs from anything else, really. It should reflect the applicability of the term by ditching any ambiguity with brackets. [[User:No Swan So Fine|No Swan So Fine]] ([[User talk:No Swan So Fine|talk]]) 23:05, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for this capitalization, but the article needs work. The phrase was around before the late-2000s financial crisis. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per suggestion but it needs to rewrite the whole article because many phase around before late 2000s financial crisis. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.94.109|36.77.94.109]] ([[User talk:36.77.94.109|talk]]) 00:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)