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RfC on Olivia Rodrigo's profession as a singer-songwriter

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
I find consensus to use the hyphenated form "singer-songwriter" to describe Rodrigo. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


Olivia Rodrigo is currently addressed as a singer and a songwriter in this article and across Wikipedia. Should she be addressed as a singer-songwriter instead? BawinV (talk) 19:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Invited by the bot. There's no wrong answer here, either would be fine. But IMO "singer-songwriter" usually sort of means that they do and are known for a significant amount of performance of songs that they wrote and so I'd tend to say avoid using the singer-songwriter moniker. North8000 (talk) 12:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Let me add here what the reliable publications are calling her.
  1. Pop's next great singer-songwriter – Nylon
  2. The meteoric rise of a teenage singer-songwriter – Vanity Fair
  3. With her newly released debut album Sour making a big splash, Disney star and singer-songwriter Olivia Rodrigo has shown the world that she's no one-hit wonder – Los Angeles
  4. The US singer-songwriter first scored the chart double last month, and became the youngest ever artist to do so – NME
  5. Olivia Rodrigo's Sour marks the arrival of a singer-songwriter to watch – The Philadelphia Inquirer
  6. The singer-songwriter and star of High School Music: The Musical: The Series – MTV
  7. The 18-year-old Disney star and hit singer-songwriter – Time
  8. The 18-year-old singer-songwriter's debut album Sour (out now) is raw, honest and catchy – USA Today
  9. Olivia Rodrigo easily topped the Rolling Stone Artists 500 chart for the second straight week following the release of her debut album, Sour. Though the singer-songwriter's total streams fell from 283.7 million to 210.5 million for the week of May 28th through June 3rd, that was still plenty to hold off her closest competitors. – Rolling Stone
  10. Olivia Rodrigo becomes youngest solo artist ever to score Official UK Chart Double with Sour and "Good 4 U". The US singer-songwriter's Sour scores the biggest opening week of 2021 and sets a streaming record. – Official Charts Company
  11. The Disney star and singer-songwriter hits No. 1 – The Wall Street Journal
  12. On top of everything else going on in the life of the world's busiest 18-year-old, the star singer-songwriter-actress just moved out of her parents' house. – Billboard
  13. The singer-songwriter and actress, 18, explains how she wrote her first-ever single – The New York Times. BawinV (talk) 14:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
@Spy-cicle: (i) A singer sings songs. Example: Whitney Houston, Elvis Presley (ii) A songwriter only writes songs. Example: Quincy Jones, Liz Rose (iii) A singer and songwriter is generally someone who contributes/co-writes the lyrics/melodies with other people (never solo-written) and then sings the material. Example: Beyoncé, Selena Gomez (iv) A singer-songwriter in someone who is capable of creating their own songs from scratch and often accompany themselves on one or more musical instruments. Example: Taylor Swift, Alicia Keys. BawinV (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Speaking of Taylor Swift, who could forget the year-long (or even longer) dispute over whether she was a singer-songwriter or a singer and songwriter. See here for example. I wonder what her and Olivia have in common. -- Calidum 18:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@BawinV: Thank you for the informative explanation and example (appears Gomez may fall into just the "singer" category considering her current lead sentence). I will try to come back after more comments have been made. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 20:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@Spy-cicle: You're welcome. Regarding Gomez, I think that's a discussion for another day; I would want to add "songwriter" to her professions as well. I feel like editors add professions to biographies, and then mostly don't bother to update the professions as the subject of the article grows and expands career-wise, commensurate with multiple reliable sources. That's the case with Rodrigo here. A few years ago, she was just an "actress", and then a year back, an "actress and singer", and currently, she's "actress, singer, and songwriter", which should be "singer-songwriter and actress" now, if we're going with the sources (which we should). BawinV (talk) 06:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Hyphenate After being informed on said topic by BawinV, and scanning the RS coverage linked here and searching elsewhere, there is demonstrably enough RSs calling her the term for us to use it in the lead sentence. Though I am not oppose to changing this in the future if coverage changes. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 15:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Hyphenate - There is a relatively recent trend to use the term singer-songwriter not as a descriptor of a singer who writes their own songs, but as a short-hand for an ill-defined genre of music. Last.fm was notorious for using this tag for every solo artists who was otherwise difficult to classify (such as Tom Waits). I don't think this should be encouraged on Wikipedia and the term "singer-songwriter" should be used in its proper sense. PraiseVivec (talk) 16:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Fine as is, especially given what North8000 stated. What sources are incorrectly applying is irrelevant, as they don't understand the definition. Amaury • 16:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Keep current wording in lede as per North8000 – currently, she is not notable for being a "singer-songwriter" in the "traditional" sense. That may change in the future, but right now she is known as an actress and pop star who co-writes some of her own material: that means she's not known to be/not notable as a traditional "singer-songwriter" at the current time. Also, everyone needs to remember WP:ONUS – just because sourcing uses (potentially incorrect) terminology does not oblige Wikipedia to follow their lead. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Hyphenate Adding my opinion if it is not clear already; Rodrigo fits the definitions of a singer-songwriter, and as per the reliable sources listed above, Rodrigo is notable as a singer-songwriter as well. Who defines what's a "singer-songwriter" if not the music publications and critical reviews? Do we have a more superior source of information? If yes, where? I think we should stick to the sources. BawinV (talk) 17:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Hyphenate. It is clear that reliable sources believe she is a singer-songwriter, and that is good enough for us. I shouldn't have to remind anyone that Wikipedia's "content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors," per WP:V. If you disagree she is a singer-songwriter based on some antiquated definition, tough luck, we use what the sources say. -- Calidum 17:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Pretty much this. Wikipedia similarly also generally rejects those "that band is not a real metal band" or "that's not real punk music" type arguments too in lieu of reliable sources saying otherwise too. Sergecross73 msg me 21:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Singer-songwriter per sources. Regardless of anything else (definitions, opinions, examples, etc), sources say "singer-songwriter", so I would go with what is said in the sources. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 21:58, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Kind of sad this is even a question, but for what it's worth, hyphenate. Why are we investing so much time in arguing about this trivial typesetting which means basically the same thing to readers and anyone you'd ask without having done research on it? We should be using our resources elsewhere. BawinV did differentiate the two at parts (iii) and (iv), but really nobody who reads this is going to give a damn. The sources are evidence of that, as elaborated by Sergecross73's response to Amaury's WP:STICKTOSOURCE complaints. dannymusiceditor oops 16:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

These stick to source arguments are just BS. Sources aren't God. Sources make mistakes, too. Definition matters here, and singer-songwriter she is not. Amaury • 23:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Per the Wikipedia definition of singer-songwriter, A singer-songwriter is a musician who writes, composes, and performs their own musical material, including lyrics and melodies. Rodrigo writes, composes (both lyrics and melodies), and performs her own material. The label "singer-songwriter" is used by record labels and critics to define popular-music artists who write and perform their own material, which is often self-accompanied - generally on acoustic guitar or piano.[3] Such an artist performs the roles of composer, lyricist, vocalist, sometimes instrumentalist, and often self-manager. Per Bawin's 13 sources above, multiple critics have referred to her as a singer-songwriter. Rodrigo does write and perform her own material, having co-written all of her songs in her discography, and performed more than 80% of it at least once to date. Rodrigo has performed using an acoustic guitar and a piano before. Lastly, Rodrigo has performed the roles of composer, lyricist, and vocalist before in her songs. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
The mass of sources isn't BS. Maybe one or two could be fobbed off as outliers. That's not the case here. Also, the English language is a changing entity. Binksternet (talk) 23:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
13 unrelated, mainstream, reliable sources all making the same "mistake" would indicate that this isn't some sort of rare or one off fluke or misunderstanding. It's very much so how the term is currently used. The English language, and musical labels, change over time. It's how it works. There's nothing new about this sort of discourse. Sergecross73 msg me 14:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
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Edits made to the section "acting career"

Edits seem to have been made to this section some time back (probably in June) see here, but I can't find these edits in the edit history of the page. Smitra0 (talk) 01:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think GQ actually edits the page when they make these videos. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
  • They didn't actually publish the edits. They've done this with so many celebrities at this point that they should know that the edits usually get reverted right away. Or, maybe they just don't want to disrupt the page. Either way, it seems pretty cool that Olivia edited a page I edit as well. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 12:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
The edits were actually made in August 4th when she uploaded a video on GQ YouTube channel, editing it herself.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.239.218.151 (talk) 03:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2021

Add that she visited the White House and talked with Dr Fauci and Joe Biden about youth vaccinations during COVID 19 174.7.106.201 (talk) 04:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

That's already in the article. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 04:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2021

182.64.48.47 (talk) 16:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Born: temecula,California

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – NJD-DE (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2021

82.6.218.41 (talk) 09:21, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Olivia Rodrigo has expirienced some contreversy with the female 90s grunge singer Courtney love Cobain. Rodrigo was accussed of stealing Courtney love's album cover for her 1995 album live through this. Courtney responded to this giving Olivia her favourite florist adress as if she wanted to recive flowers from her. Olivia then had a civil conversation with her through twitter posts but nothing more has came of the incident.The album covers do look very similar though but have minor differnces.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:42, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Olivia Rodrigo discography into Olivia Rodrigo

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There is a clear consensus to merge. Could one of the discussion participants please complete the merge and redirect the sub page to Olivia Rodrigo? Please see me if you need any technical help. Jehochman Talk 21:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

It feels premature to have a separate discography page with only one album, a compilation, and an EP so far. While I realize there are songs from both soundtracks and Sour that she released too, maybe we should wait until another album or even another EP comes out first. A well-intentioned split, but I do believe this is something that can feasibly fit into the main article. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. We have no idea what Rodrigo’s future holds and it is premature to make an entire dedicated discography page to a single album and a few singles. Not to be disingenuous to Rodrigo, but it does not make sense at this point in time. Merge AlienChex (talk) 23:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I also agree. She is just starting her career and as mentioned above, we cannot predict where her music career will be in the future. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree as well. Not to diminish her accomplishments, but in terms of quantity her discography is insufficient for a separate article. ~BappleBusiness[talk] 00:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Yup. I agree. Leaferlerg (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. Plain and simple. mediafanatic17 talk 16:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I think this should be done.GardenGlobetrotter (talk) 13:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. At this stage of her career it makes more sense to me to keep everything in a single page; that would make easier to give the whole picture --Daftano (talk) 08:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I concur. Makes a lot of sense, her discog isn't big enough to warrant a separate page. --Jane, His Wife (talk) 13:45, 6 December 2021 (AEST)
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Split of awards and nominations into own article

Is it too early to be splitting that section into List of awards and nominations received by Olivia Rodrigo? (diff of the split from here; diff completing the split) Just as with the discography section, I'm thinking her career needs to last a little longer. All of Rodrigo's awards/nominations thus far, from what I see in the list, have been with her music career over the past year, not with her acting prior to that.

I will note that the editor who made this split, Samuelloveslennonstella, attempted it as well about two weeks ago (per this edit; completion of that split). I reverted on the grounds of an undiscussed split and not following the attribution requirements spelled out in WP:CWW. They did leave an edit summary with the latest split, though still lacking necessary attribution info ... the name of the article the content was transferred to should be there, and at that article, the name of this one in an edit summary (on the edit completing the split). MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Genre needs updating

Why are all genres listed as pop or pop____. I propose adding alternative rock, punk rock, or even hard rock to the genres. There is clearly something different about Olivia's music than the pop categories that are currently listed.--Mapsfly (talk) 22:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit. The matter seeking consensus is the use of TopHit.ru as a source for song release dates. Thank you, Heartfox (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2022

I would like to add olivia rodrigo's brit nominations Fadianaisover (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2022

Add "Juno Awards" Nomination under Awards and nominations Also add the ifpi results Fadianaisover (talk) 03:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

 Already done for "Juno Awards",  Not done for "add the ifpi results" – Please provide reliable source to support the changes you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2022

Could u please add some information on Olivia Rodrigo s net worth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.47.216 (talk) 12:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Anything added to the article must be accompanied by sources deemed reliable per WP:RS. Do you have any relevant reliable sources that mention this? MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Info About Criticisms / Controversies?

Heyo, upon reading this article I've found no mention of controversies surrounding Rodrigo in 2021, such as those of plagiarism as well as her situation with Joshua Bassett and Sabrina Carpenter. I don't plan to make these edits yet as I'm assuming perhaps there's a reason that these things were omitted. If that is the case, would anyone know why that is, or are these things simply missing and should be added? Just food for thought, lemme know! Slowcolt (talk) 23:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

driving home 2 u

Should we make a separate page for 'driving home 2 u'? Seeing as the movie is already out there's more stuff to talk about and it could be something similar to the page for 'folklore: the long pond studio sessions'. The two disney+ films are somewhat similar because they just go back and forth between performances and talking about the song.

We can also take quotations from: New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/movies/olivia-rodrigo-driving-home-2-u-sour-film-review.html Elle https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a39584752/olivia-rodrigo-driving-home-2-u-interview/ Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/olivia-rodrigo-driving-home-2-u-trailer-1322966/ There's a bunch more but these seem like the biggest sites.

Purplehighlighter24 (talk) 04:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Purplehighlighter24:I'm sure it'd meet the notability standards at this point. If you want to try and create this page, go for it. If you want any help with it, let me know. Slowcolt (talk) 01:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

draft page: driving home 2 u — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditorforfun1 (talk • contribs) 07:10, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Should we split Olivia's discography and awards

Should we split Olivia's Olivia Rodrigo#Disocgraphy and Olivia Rodrigo#Awards and nominations into Olivia Rodrigo discography and List of awards and nominations received by Olivia Rodrigo?

No, absent any stated reason to do so. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
both sections (her discography and awards)are quite long and would do well in their own articles, per WP:WHENSPLIT. Samuelloveslennonstella (talk) 07:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I will agree that the Awards and nominations (or now called Accolades) is getting a bit long ... I counted at least seven screen scrolls going just thru the awards/nominations list ... but among the criteria in WP:WHENSPLIT is that readable prose has to be at least 50kB. Content in tables generally doesn't count much toward readable prose. This needs further discussion before the split can be done, both for the Accolades and the Discography. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
For the record, the current size of the article (after I restored it pre-split) is nearing 130kB. Readable prose is at < 8500 bytes. (I have a "Page Size" option under "Tools" listed on the left side to get the readable prose info.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
At this point the the article is overbalanced with tables. Including all readable characters including tables we are close to the 50,000 character where a split should be considered. WP:CONTENTSPLIT requires the split out articles be independently notable. With the overbalance in this article and the likelihood the split articles would be independent notable I think it would be best to do the splits even against the guidelines. WP:IAR requires consensus so need time, at least a few more days, for more inputs to this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree with the split, especially for the Accolades section. It's too long, and her achievements are definitely notable enough to get a standalone article. I personally think the Discography section still can stay, but again, her releases are notable enough to be split. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 01:57, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
It is time to split the article. It is evident that the Accolades section has not finished expanding, and what about all the charts' notes at the bottom of the page. It does not belong here. Oroborvs (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I agree that the article should be split given how lengthy both of those sections have gotten. ~Peter Dzubay (talk) 06:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello, everybody.
I see the need to divide Rodrigo's discography and awards into different articles and that most agree.
I am announcing that I will be taking over as firstly I am Livie and secondly I am on vacation from school. Then I can collaborate on it. I ask the Wikipedian who was going to take care of it not to do it, because if he does it while I'm doing it, there will be gaps in content and I don't want that.
I hope you have a good time on Wikipedia. Santi (talk) 20:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
I have split the discography and accolades sections to respective Olivia Rodrigo discography and List of awards and nominations received by Olivia Rodrigo articles]]. Meets WP:WHENSPLIT and concensus here. Samuel (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2022 (AEST)

Ethnicity

One of Rodrigo's 8 great-grand parents immigrated from the Philippines as a teen as stated in the article. Rodrigo herself says her family and herself choose to follow Filipino traditions at home. Rodrigo was born in the US and is solely American, she has no citizenship rights in the Philippines based on her great-grand father. The lead and short summary correctly identify her as American per WP:ETHNICITY - she is notable because of what she has done, not because of where her ancestors came from. The personal life section has an appropriate amount of description about her ancestry - just stating the facts. Leave third party opinions of what she is out of the article. The only thing that matter for multi-racial people is what she considers herself. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I saw the Marie Claire article saying she should be considered Asian American and I thought it was an outlier. Media responses to that article acknowledge the ambiguity in the issue.[1] The Marie Claire article was too admonishing and prescriptive, not neutral descriptive reporting. The writer is trying to change things. Binksternet (talk) 17:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
The article is more questionable than I initially thought when I posted it on Olivia Rodrigo's page. I think the writer was trying to analyze her biological heritage and talks about her blood in the article and why she is biracial ("appearance") rather than her citizenship. Indeed, he was probably trying to label her "Asian-American" without talking about her nationality. It is true that if she was born on American soil, she has the citizenship of that country. --Oroborvs (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Oroborvs: I know this is two months late, but I want to give my two cents. One source provided seems to be through Medium.com (WP:MEDIUM), but the only relevant information from the Marie Claire article would be information of her great-grandfather being an immigrant. The rest seems like some personal opinion because it implies that her half-Filipino ethnic heritage may somehow make her less "Asian American" (per the heading: "If someone can ignore the fact that Rodrigo is half-Filipina [...]"). She is not actually "Asian" (as in from Asia), she is an American but I guess in the United States people like to conflate American citizens heritage with people actually from the countries of their ancestral origins?
Looking at her interviews, she seems to identify with Filipino heritage but the article focuses on her physical appearance and how she's not perceived as looking "Asian" (whatever that means. Asian Americans are not a monolith from lighter skinned East Asian descendant Lucy Liu to the much darker skinned South Asian descendant Aziz Ansari, they all fall under America's definition of "Asian American"). Plus "ethnic purity" never stopped people from being identified or associating with whatever group in America. Most people would not deny that Halle Berry is "African American" (despite only being half-African American by descent) or Selena Gomez being "Latino American" (even if by ancestry, she is only half-Mexican). Clear Looking Glass (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
@Clear Looking Glass: Thanks for the long explanation; I could not agree more. Oroborvs (talk) 17:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2022

The first sentence contains the phrase "who can't sing or act" which is clearly some vandalism that didn't get caught when it was locked down and should be deleted 202.53.53.96 (talk) 22:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 Already done - see [2] MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2022

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Hello! I am an Olivia Rodrigo enthusiast and I think I could make some better changes to her page. Such as including which Grammy awards she has won instead of not being specific enough. I could add more details to her career and make the page easier to understand.

- aanya Aanyalolverma (talk) 03:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

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sang with Billy Joel uptown girl at Billy Joel MSG concert NYC on 8/24/2022

sang with Billy Joel uptown girl at Billy Joel MSG concert NYC on 8/24/2022 100.35.156.32 (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Filipino American by ethnicity

She's basically multiracial, could we just put that in there instead? 2600:1700:12F0:2370:DD8C:87DD:5C2:B0F5 (talk) 00:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Per MOS:ETHNICITY we don't put ethnicity in lead unless related to notability which is not the case for Rodrigo. Her ancestry and ethnicity is covering adequately in the body of the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Parents' Names

Hi, I'm confused about her parents' names. On Wikipedia, we have Jennifer and Chris Rodrigo with the source being a newspaper clip from when she was born. When I Google her parents' names, Sophie and Ronald Rodrigo come up. In other sources, they spell her mother's name as Sophia. Here is one source that claims her parents' names are Sophie and Ronald: [3]https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/2900546/who-olivia-rodrigos-parents/

Unfortunately, it is difficult to figure out her parents' names since most sources on Google appear to come from gossip sites. It would be great if someone could provide an interview where she mentions her parents by name. IrateSpecialist (talk) 21:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

The Sun is not a reliable source and is blacklisted on Wikipedia. Trillfendi (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2023

In the "Philanthropy and activism" section, the last sentence should have Wikipedia links introduced and grammar fixed as follows: In January 2023, Rodrigo, alongside Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, and J-Hope of BTS, donated items to the MusiCares Foundation Charity Relief Auction to help struggling musicians with their medical bills and other financial needs.  theomached  (talk) 22:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Deauthorized. (talk) 23:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Update Information on Life and Career section

This should be included in 2023-present section.

On August 16, 2023, Olivia became the youngest artist to receive BRIT Billion Award for achieving one billion streams in the UK.[1][2]

References:

1.      Grein, Paul (August 18, 2023). “Olivia Rodrigo Becomes Youngest Artist to Receive BRIT Billion Award Recognizing 1 Billion U.K. Streams”. Billboard. Retrieved August 18, 2023.

2.      Edwards, Bethan (August 17, 2023). “Olivia Rodrigo appears overjoyed as she becomes the youngest ever person to receive a Brit Billion Award for racking up one BILLION UK streams”. Daily Mail. Retrieved August 18, 2023. SarahB53 (talk) 18:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@SarahB53  Done I did not use the second source per WP:DAILYMAIL and did some copyediting before adding. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Filipino American by ethnicity?

In the Early Life section it says "Rodrigo is Filipino American by ethnicity", but following that it says that her mother is of Irish and German descent and her paternal great grandfather came from Philippines. So she has Filipino ancestry, but she is not American Filipino by ethnicity, unless Wikipedia still applies the one-drop rule. 95.17.201.21 (talk) 11:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor! Filipino American refers to an American of Filipino ancestry, which Rodrigo is. Further, she has identified as part Filipina, as mentioned in one of the sources. Hopefully this helps. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2023

In the second paragraph, in the phrase "her debut single 'Drivers License'", the song title is nonrestrictive, so requires a comma before and after (see Apposition#Restrictive versus non-restrictive). This is done correctly in the very next sentence, in the phrase "her debut studio album, Sour". 2605:A601:AB56:CB00:D4B1:2F27:1992:DE40 (talk) 09:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2023

Change Murietta, CA to Murrieta, CA in all of the “life and career” section. 2601:541:181:AF90:B0E8:1899:2964:4C13 (talk) 19:21, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

done

Middle name

Is her middle name spelled Isabel or Isobel? The last time I checked this article (about a week ago), it wasn't locked and her middle name was spelled as Isobel. What happened? 76.65.45.114 (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2023

Add that Rodrigo performed the song “Can’t Catch Me Now” for the 2023 film The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. 2601:600:9380:2830:A005:451C:C95F:53AB (talk) 04:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 04:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

INTERPOLATION CREDITS given to Taylor Swift links to INTERPOLATION (mathematical construct), but should link to "Interpolation (popular music)" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpolation_(popular_music) 38.142.240.138 (talk) 17:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done, but please avoid WP:SHOUTING in the future.--NØ 17:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Former first first

Three singles from the most recent album are listed, and then the page says "the former of which...". Former can be used that way, it's not improper exactly, but it's a poorer choice than "first" when referring to a list of three or more things. Dictionary definitions don't rule out use in a longer list, but make special reference to a comparison of two things when using "former". It's a distraction at least, so I suggest a change to "first". 70.187.141.56 (talk) 15:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 Change made. This is pretty similar to using the comparative form of an adjective ("-er") for two, and the superlative form ("-est") for more than two. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2024

Partner: Louis Partridge(2023- Luvliv JV (talk) 07:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, that parameter would generally be reserved for long term relationships Cannolis (talk) 09:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Heritage

Where does it state that Rodrigo's father is only "three-quarters" Filipino descent as this version claims?[4] This sentence is attributed to two sources[5][6] which do not state her father is 3/4ths Filipino ancestry. The Guardian and many sources call her "Filipino-American"[7] while ABS-CBN notes her mother is German/Irish descent.[8]

They both state a paternal great-grandfather immigrated from the Philippines to America without other context, possibly implying that she's only 1/8th Filipino by descent. But I don't think that's the case. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2024

2603:8001:AD40:B3:F40D:A2A3:9A08:D48C (talk) 04:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
She does not. Rodrigo has stated that she as only child. 70.50.199.125 (talk) 06:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Olivia Rodrigo has a sister named Emily Rodrigo

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 11:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Can someone please add that she legally changed her name to Olive Rodrigo? It was such a big accomplishment of hers, and I feel it should be included. Thank you for your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.185.108.231 (talk) 13:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Abortion

How many women have died since Roe versus Wade was overturned? We should point out if her statement is valid or not.73.133.252.58 (talk) 03:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
We already know from both history and in other countries that when abortion is banned, women who are forced to carry babies "to term" even if the baby itself has little/no chance of living or has already died can die, too.
See this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar 162.213.132.33 (talk) 21:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Abortion is acceptable in cases where the mother's health is in danger. 71.121.219.230 (talk) 71.121.219.230 (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Argument for pop-punk addition to genres?

Preface by saying I'm no professional analyst of music genre, but her songs like "all-american bitch", "good 4 u" (especially), "brutal", "get him back!" seem very pop-punk to me, and appear inspired by Paramore and Avril Lavigne, notably pop-punk artists. Although it's only a handful of songs and her style is clearly foremost pop, but with only 2 full albums released it seems large enough of her discography to warrant the addition to me. I can understand the argument that influence and inspiration do not equal being a part of the genre or scene, but it's just some something I'd like to see be discussed. Appreciate hearing input on this 64.203.206.8 (talk) 02:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP, genre claims must be supported by reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Genre warrior#Official standards and guidelines for some specific advice. Happy editing, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2024

Change incorrect reference to her first acting job. The one mentioned was her second acting job. Stellaissmart895 (talk) 21:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 22:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Olivia instrumentals: trying to get a consensus

Hi Everyone,

I'm writing this in regards to getting a consensus on Olivia's instrumentals in her infobox: Vocals, Guitar and Piano.

However, Olivia also plays keyboards (High School Musical and Sour promotions) , electric guitar ( Guts Tours), and Ukelele (High School Musicals)

I tried to add: Keyboards, electric guitar on infobox - Instrumentals - @Pamzeis removed them saying, Keyboards and electric guitars are the same with piano and guitar. Acoustic guitar and Electric guitar are not the same, they create different sounds.

Then I added "ukelele" @MPFitz1968 removed saying, Olivia is not using Ukelele (currently). But looking at the biography of other musicians.

  • Bruno Mars - ( Vocals, guitar, piano, keyboards, drums, bass, ukulele, congas ),
  • Jack White - ( Vocals, guitar, bass guitar, keyboards, drums)
  • Billie Eilish - ( Vocals, guitar, piano, ukulele)
  • Harry Styles - ( Vocals, guitar, piano, dulcimer )


We allow as many instrumentals on other musicians, despite not seeing some of them playing it currently. Why do we limit and put restrictive rules on Olivia instrumentals, but not on other musicians?

Is this going to be in all biographies? WP:CONSENSUS Please advice. Forgiveandloveoneanother (talk) 09:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I responded to this on my talk page, but the ping apparently didn't go through for whatever reason. Copying what I wrote there here: What I'm trying to do here is avoid the infobox list becoming a WP:COATRACK of all the instruments Rodrigo plays; as instructed at Template:Infobox musical artist, instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used. (emphasis in original) I think guitar and piano are warranted for inclusion as Rodrigo commonly uses them to write songs and as accompaniments when playing live, but I wouldn't say that's the case for the electric guitar or the keyboard. I believe she's only used the electric guitar when playing "Obsessed" and the keyboard as a substitute for a piano. Also, I don't think there are any fundamental differences between the way she uses the keyboard vs the piano (other than maybe the pedals), so I'd be inclined not to list it. We want to list the instruments Rodrigo uses commonly and has been recognised for. I would take that as having them being noted in reliable sources. I searched for "Olivia Rodrigo playing ukulele" on Google and the only two things I can find are an ET article saying she played it in a promo for HSMTMTS and a video of "I Think I Kinda You Know". Compare that to a search for "Olivia Rodrigo playing piano", far more results come up, including articles in reputable sources such as Billboard and Rolling Stone. Pamzeis (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
This is the same reason I'm putting this discussion into a consensus because you use WP:COATRACK in infobox but when I check another Musicians infobox, this rule does not apply to other musicians, only with Olivia. Forgiveandloveoneanother (talk) 11:27, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
This rules that you apply on Olivia biography, is not being applied on other musicians like Bruno Mars, Jack White, Billie Eilish, and many other musicians.
Have you seen Billie played Ukelele or Harry playsed Dulcimer? aor Jack White on drums?
This rule is only restrictive to Olivia but not to many musicians. I want to get a consensus. Whatever is the result of "consensus" I'm going to follow this rules to edit or add or remove on other Biographies regarding musicians or celebrities or other personalities. @Pamzeis, @MPFitz1968 Forgiveandloveoneanother (talk) 11:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Now why her guitar and piano intrumentals on infobox were removed? @Pamzeis@Pamzeis@Lapadite
Every single musicians have instrumentals from piano to keyboard to guitar to electric guitar? why do you keep on removing Olivia instrumentals infobox? if this is not gonna be resolved I'm going to raise issues to the contact and Teahouse Forgiveandloveoneanother (talk) 09:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Per WP:OTHERCONTENT, what other articles are showing is mostly irrelevant to this one. If WP:COATRACK issues in articles of other artists exist, as in sources having not documented that thus and such artist is notable for using/playing this instrument or that one, then these articles need to be corrected to comply with the COATRACK essay and/or related guidelines and list only those instruments these artists are known/notable to use/play. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

As per the template documentation, the instruments parameter is to note any instrument(s) that the artist is notable for using, per reliable sources. It's not for listing any instrument the artist ever played or appeared with. Is she referred to as a ukulelist by multiple reliable sources? If no, then she's not notable for it. Is she referred to as a pianist or keyboardist by multiple reliable sources? If no, she's not notable for it. From what I've read, she is notable for being a singer and lyricist, not an instrumentalist or for playing a particular instrument. As MPFitz1968 mentioned, if other articles also display bad practice, we fix those articles, we don't repeat their misuse of templates and guidelines on other articles. If you see a WP:COATRACK of instruments in other articles' infoboxes, and the artist isn't notable for them, remove the ones that don't belong and link to the template guidelines. Lapadite (talk) 09:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Now why did instruments of her piano and guitar were removed? @Lapadite Forgiveandloveoneanother (talk) 09:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
For the reason stated in my comment you replied to. You seem to be confused about what the purpose of the MOS:INFOBOX is. Please refer to the edit note in the parameter: "This parameter is only for instruments(s) that the artist is NOTABLE for using; it is not for listing every instrument the artist has ever used. See Template:Infobox_musical_artist#instrument. Other instruments the artist has used can be mentioned in the article body. If you think an instrument should be listed in the infobox, a discussion to reach consensus is needed first."
If reliable music sources call her a pianist or guitarist, or indicate that she's notable as such, then the instrument can be added to the infobox. Otherwise, you can source instrument(s) she's played in the body of the article. This applies to all artist articles. Again, if you come across articles that misuse the infobox parameter, fix them. Lapadite (talk) 10:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Chiming in as a hitherto disinterested observer (I just saw your query on the Teahouse). I agree with the consensus above that the Infobox should only list the instruments that the artist is noted for playing, not merely ones that they can and occasionally do play.
Nearly all songwriters can play at least one instrument, as it's almost essential to the song composition process, but unless they regularly play that/those instruments on stage (i.e. in public performances), an infobox inclusion is not usually considered appropriate.
Consider (random example) the singer and songwriter Floor Jansen: she can play guitar, piano and flute, and studied them formally at the Tilburg Music Conservatory. I have seen videos of her playing flute onstage and piano while rehearsing, but usually she only sings on stage, so she is not known as a guitarist, pianist or flautist, and her infobox does not list those instruments.
As for differing approaches in other Artists' articles, (i) Wikipedia has literally hundreds of thousands of editors, and they sometimes differ in their interpretations of guidelines (assuming they've even read them) and (ii) some fans can get overenthusiastic about including every little detail about their 'idol', beyond what is appropriate in the overview of an encyclopedia article, rather than a book-length biography. Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2024

Add guitar and piano to restaurants because olivia plays them every show on tour 105.157.95.158 (talk) 05:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⸺(Random)staplers 06:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2024

Piano and guitar should be listed in the infobox, she plays them every on every show. 41.248.30.47 (talk) 18:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 14:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image

I see we are using the left one whereas Rodrigo's bio on most other language Wikipedias is using the right one. Both are from the same day and an equal amount of her face is seen in them, but the angle in the right one is more flattering to her face and she is looking directly towards the camera. How do others feel about switching to the right image in the infobox?--NØ 08:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2024

REMOVE "and dubbed herself Swift's biggest fan "in the whole world"." under the section Artistry and subsection Influences. This information is first and foremost completely unnecessary, and secondly is likely not true in current day. 2601:645:C57C:78D0:8884:7271:486B:2A49 (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: Personally I think calling herself Swift's biggest fan is relevant to the Influences section of her article. I slightly amended the wording to indicate that she has termed herself that in the past, which should address the concern of it possibly not currently being true. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

uncertainty of her middle name

a 2015 instagram dm has just surfaced of olivia stating her middle name is spelled Isabelle, not Isabel. don't think this alone is firm enough to make the change, but it could be looked into on the off-chance that any more information is available anywhere https://twitter.com/szalivia/status/1834827395796246917 Ordinaryisabel (talk) 16:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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