Talk:White tie

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Female guidelines

My impression is that this article only covers male clothing, but it doesn't explicitly state that. What are the female guidelines for white-tie dress? Thanks, -- Creidieki 00:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC) I would like to second this request. I have been mortified and/or unable to attend events where "white tie" has been specified from not knowing what it meant for a woman. Although I did consider wearing a white tie (and only that). Rachel Pearce (talk) 11:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Backpack with evening wear? There was stated: "Women wear a full-length evening dress, with the option of jewellery, a tiara, a pashmina, coat or wrap, and backpack." Just in case I deleted backpack; if that has some other meaning, suitable for evening wear, I beg your pardon - and some explanation on the evening wear backpack. Guessed it was some joke...BirgittaMTh (talk) 17:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's really a male dress code. Women have a lot more freedom, at least theoretically. They're just expected to turn up in a below the knee posh frock and heels. These aren't events to go to in your leggings and trainers. --Ef80 (talk) 18:01, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clergy Clarification

This paragraph doesn't seem to include different forms of clergy and isn't clear on which clergy it does talk about. Is the author talking about Catholic clergy? Orthodox? I feel like I need to edit to make this more clear but am only like 70% sure this section refrences Catholic clergy. I know my Rabbi wears the same formal clothing everyone else is wearing, with an appropriate kippah. Does anybody have info on what clergy of other faiths do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caffeinated42 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Waiters?

At least in Europe, the standard for waiters in high-rank restaurants (and cafés) is or was tailcoat with black vest and black tie. Now is that "black tie" or "white tie"? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by MegA (talk • contribs) 13:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand, it is the waiter's uniform. As no gentleman ever wears a black tie with a tailcoat, it really does not fall into either category. On the other hand, a white tie with a black waistcoat was, at least in historical Finnish and, I suppose, imperial German and Russian etiquette, the civilian equivalent of service uniform. Thus, it is still worn thus in the Finnish academic celebrations that are held during the day, and it may be worn in the night if no women (or, actually, no women without a doctoral degree) are present. --MPorciusCato (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul

I have just rewritten much of this article. A substantial amount of the pre-existing material was unsourced or poorly sourced and often overly detailed. There was also a lot of repetition (eg two bullet-point descriptions of the dress code, plus a lengthy OR-ish breakdown of each element) and an awful lot of lists where prose would do just fine. I hope I haven't offended anyone with these changes. Sections like "national dress" probably need to be elsewhere as this article is about white tie, although I have mentioned that it is appropriate for national dress to be worn at many white tie events nowadays; the description of the Scottish dress is, as the article says, not a description of white tie, so it probably ought to be in an article called something like "Scottish evening dress" or "Scottish formal wear". Regards, —Noswall59 (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually called Highland dress. With the white jabot, it may be worn as black-tie or white-tie. With the black tie, of course, it may only be worn as black-tie. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:44, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of sash?

In the gallery pics, about 50% of of the photos feature men wearing sashes, but there's no mention of this in the article, and the lede doesn't mention it as an acceptable accessory? 128.189.160.99 (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those are part of a Diplomatic uniform - the people in those photos are diplomats or heads of state attending events in an official capacity. MrOllie (talk) 00:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]