User talk:Bitter Oil

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Deletion discussion about Dennis Day (Mouseketeer)

Hello, Bitter Oil,

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Meatsgains and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Dennis Day (Mouseketeer) should be deleted. Your comments are welcome over Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Day (Mouseketeer) .

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Meatsgains^(talk) 02:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, I'm deleting your article. Nice. Bitter Oil (talk) 02:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

April 2019

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like you to assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not do on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Day (Mouseketeer). Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Cryptic Canadian 03:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You will have to be more specific. What part of what I said are you having a problem with? Bitter Oil (talk) 03:23, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bitter Oil, I'm frankly finding your rhetoric refreshing in a nasty week, but you surely realize it's not possible to delete an account on Wikipedia. This isn't Twitter. Also, you need to remind yourself that people have widely differing interests, which is how we get an encyclopedia covering so many different topics. I'd never heard of either Dennis Day, but researching the one who's gone missing I found a lot of coverage of the older one. The nominator made a mistake; it happens. Also, have you considered that it's a bit disrespectful to Day (and his husband) to talk as if all he ever did that's worthy of note is two of his seasons as a child performer? Now that he's undeniably notable (I agree with you), rather than gloating we need to make sure his article is up to a decent standard. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Bitter Oil (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Geordie Scene ~ ref

Bitter Oil you don't have to use the accessdate if you don't have a website to access ~ just for the future ~ you will see a red sentence when the ref is not properly filled in ~ good start for your second article ~ best wishes Mitchellhobbs (talk) 23:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help, Mitchell! Bitter Oil (talk) 02:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Thanks for creating The Geordie Scene.

User:Rosguill while reviewing this page as a part of our page curation process had the following comments:

As IMDb is not a reliable source (see its entry at WP:RSP), this article only has one reliable source, which falls short of WP:GNG. If possible, please provide additional citations to reliable sources to further establish the subject's notability.

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_signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: It was my understanding that IMDB was considered a reliable source for basic factual information about films and tv shows. Bitter Oil (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bitter Oil, nope, IMDb is crowdsourced and thus is not reliable, with the exception of MPAA ratings and certain types of writing credits. See Wikipedia:Citing IMDb. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: Well, the point of that essay seems to be that IMBD shouldn't be used to support claims about people. Which is good advice even though IMDB has shut down their user forums. Saying it shouldn't be used for credits and production information is a bit silly. Bitter Oil (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Sater

Hello Bitter Oil,

I'm writing to seek a bit more guidance on wiki regarding Felix Sater's page. You've realized that I'm a new user, though it's definitely indicative of the lack of credibility on my part, purely for being a new user, I was hoping you could extend to me some guidance. I also know of no other ways to have a conversation here but on a talk page, so i apologize in advance if this is a bit invasive. I have 3 questions to my 3 edits.

The sources mentioned for Felix Sater being a mobster is not fully conclusive, as it's very likely they pulled their research off of Wikipedia, notably, the Fullerton article. Additionally, Daily News merely reiterated the words of Congressman Rouda during Michael Cohen's public testimony which I do not believe qualifies as a well researched source from a reporting agency. The Vanity fair article as well was written way after the original description of Mobster was added to Felix Sater's Wiki page. I would like guidance on this as to what proper citation would be needed where available online can definitely label Felix Sater as a mobster ? Because in its existing form, the moniker does not even have a citation to it. Mobster after all, is a very detrimental label to anybody.

Moving on to Felix Sater being divorced. I've cited a page six article, it seems to be the only source online that shows that he was served divorce papers. Would page six be a reliable source? I've linked it here for your review. https://pagesix.com/2019/03/24/trump-russian-associate-gets-served-divorce-papers/ Additionally, none of the cited sources for Felix Sater's marriage to Viktoria explicitly mentions that they're both married. In this case, is it allowed because it is implied that they are married even though it's never explicitly mentioned in any of the sources? Please advice.

Finally, The connection to Semion Mogilevich. The one source, if you read it, does NOT make that mention at all. I'm confused as to why it was accepted as a source. Doing some research online, it's listed here https://trump-russia.com/2019/07/20/time-to-put-a-lie-about-felix-sater-to-rest/ that it was entirely made up if there ever was a connection. If you read the article with a bit more research, the attorney that made the initial statement was referred to criminal contempt by a district judge, this, alongside with the fact that the entire thing was made up and the site owner had to settle for spreading disinformation, ordered by the courts.

I'm trying to wrap my head around this on why my edits are being undone. It might be in large part to my non-existent history on wikipedia or I'm not following proper guidelines, but if anything, I'd like to be guided through the right steps. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Silverbulldog (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Silverbulldog! I have moved your many many questions to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Felix Sater. Perhaps someone else will be willing to help you. Bitter Oil (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the resources ! Silverbulldog (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lime Street

Since you have done work on Samantha Smith, feel free to work on her TV series Lime Street (TV series). PAustin4thApril1980 (talk) 11:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I may take a look. Bitter Oil (talk) 15:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. If you edit at TV Tropes Dot Org, Lime Street's entry there needs fleshing out. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/LimeStreet PAustin4thApril1980 (talk) 22:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I included Swedish Greta because both she and Smith were child activists, just on different topics. Samantha's trip was described as "schoolgirl diplomacy" by the media, so using that term is not unreasonable? PAustin4thApril1980 (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Different topics, different methods, different ages. Schoolgirl diplomacy is not a thing. I googled it to be sure. Thanks. Bitter Oil (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You might want a better Google. Samantha is described as a schoolgirl diplomat here - https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ARNBuL6zbN4C&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=%22schoolgirl+diplomat%22+%22Samantha+Smith%22&source=bl&ots=M3SMYgQOSx&sig=ACfU3U3ExDA_pTizVGwLzjLKT52j_5ytoA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWvanN2pLnAhV9zzgGHb7bDCMQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ PAustin4thApril1980 (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't saying that she wasn't ever described as a schoolgirl diplomat, but that "schoolgirl diplomacy" is not a concept in itself. Citizen diplomacy is. Bitter Oil (talk) 18:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 2020

Hello, I'm Gourami Watcher. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction, such as your addition to Murder of Riley Ann Sawyers. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. Thank you. --GouramiWatcher^Talk 22:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I somehow hurt your feeling, I am sorry, but you'll have to be more specific if you want me to understand what you're talking about. Bitter Oil (talk) 04:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Civility

Hi,

I don't have any intention of starting a feud, and I apologize for templating you yesterday. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Civility regarding your recent edit summaries. Thanks.--GouramiWatcher^Talk 17:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this because I said an image sucked? The image doesn't care if I like it or not. It's an image. Bitter Oil (talk) 04:47, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The hostility of the summaries is of concern to me, not that particular incident. No, an image doesn't have feelings, but it's best to maintain a neutral, open-minded perspective while contributing to this community-based site. --GouramiWatcher^Talk 18:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The perspective of the articles should be neutral. The perspective of the editors should not be neutral. Having editors who look at things critically is one of the things that keeps articles neutral. In any case, thanks for letting me know how you feel. Bitter Oil (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Outing

No, I did not. Using your own full name, referencing your presidential campaign and linking your campaign website is self-outing. Guy (help!) 19:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was more thinking of this part: "The fact that an editor has posted personal information or edits under their own name, making them easily identifiable through online searches, is not an excuse to post the results of "opposition research"". You unnecessarily dredged up negative info on them and posted it on Jimbo's talk page. But I decided posting my comment would only lead to disagreements like this one, so let's not argue about it. Bitter Oil (talk) 00:00, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]