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2024

Same location pictured as 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Gerda! I hope you've had a nice time around the holidays! Parsecboy (talk) 00:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Yes, thank you, and thank you especially today for SMS Prinz Adalbert (1901), introduced (in 2015): "Another WWI-related article with a major centenary coming up, this being the anniversary of the ship's sinking (which was the worst loss of life for the German Navy in the Baltic)."! - I have a DYK on the same page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Glad to hear it! I've had a bit of a run of good luck lately, Bouvet and now Prinz Adalbert. Parsecboy (talk) 13:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
my smaller luck on the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Huh, I had never heard of the viol before! By no means am I an expert like you, but classical music isn't entirely foreign to me - funny that there was an entire class of instruments I didn't know existed! And neat to be able to write an article on a subject you can have a personal connection to - I don't generally get that (though I have visited the subjects of USS Torsk, USS Constellation (1854), and USS North Carolina (BB-55), all of which I wrote). Parsecboy (talk) 14:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
story · music · places
Thank you, - learning new things is one of the great gifts here! - Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing, that was an interesting biography to read. I spend much of my time reading about the death and destruction of war, so it was nice to take a break for someone who dedicated their life to helping others. I hope you enjoy your trip! Parsecboy (talk) 01:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 213, January 2024

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Horsepower nerdery

Hi Parsecboy; I have been struggling for over a decade with the minor but significant variance between imperial and metric horsepower and the constant confusion between them. Not only do editors here mix them up constantly, but there is no standard abbreviation for metric hp and no good way of distinguishing the two without using foreign acronyms like CV or PS. In addition, sources also frequently mix them up, as it is such an easily overlooked distinction. I feel downright traumatized when someone writes that a German car had 115hp, then someone helpfully adds a conversion template to read 115 hp (86 kW) [{{cvt|115|hp|kW|0}}] and then some German-leaning fellow changes that to 86 kW (117 PS) [{{cvt|86|kW|PS|0}}] and so on ad infinitum until all numbers become meaningless. Sorry about the rant; my question was actually about the French battleship Bouvet:

Back in 2019, you added mention of this ship producing 15,462 metric horsepower (15,250 ihp) during tests, and I am wondering whether the source you had didn't simply state 15,250 hp? I often see sources using hp interchangably for both varieties, so I suspect that the actual output was 15,250 metric horsepower (15,040 shp; 11,220 kW), which would also line up with earlier references to 15,000hp. Thanks,  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mr.choppers - Jordan & Caresse are clear that they're using metric horsepower. Parsecboy (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Berlin

Hi Parsecboy,

On the Battle of Berlin page, an unregistered editor under the name "Seahawk-2023" has made a lot of changes (brought to my attention by the experienced editor Kierzek), some of which do not match the content of the sources. Many of these may have been "good faith" assumptions but they since they've introduced some errors, I was wondering if you could restore the page to Jan 6, when you made your last edit. Thanks. Obenritter (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Obenritter, sure, I can do that. Parsecboy (talk) 19:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you gentlemen. I just don’t have much time right now for such things. If you could have a look at Battle in Berlin that would be great. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 21:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Will do - might need to go through their contribs, I guess. Parsecboy (talk) 23:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you Sir. --Obenritter (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Yes, thank you indeed. Kierzek (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Happy to help! Parsecboy (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your work to remove deleted portal links from articles. Ed [talk] [OMT] 22:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Ed! It's definitely not because I have a severe case of edit-countitis, or was on a work call that could have been an email! Parsecboy (talk) 23:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 214, February 2024

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SMS Ägir

Hey, I thought I'd let you know (in case you didn't already) that there is a small article about the storm that sank SMS Ägir here, at the site of the Swedish Museum of Wrecks. There is another, longer article about the incident, here, unfortunately only in Swedish. I was considering adding a summary to the article, but seeing it is a Good Article and you seem to have been most engaged in writing it, I thought I'd start by giving you a heads up. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Yakikaki, sounds good to me! If you need help with anything, I'd be happy to lend a hand. By the way, I went and split off that part of the article so you wouldn't have to worry about how the rest of the paragraph was referenced. Parsecboy (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
OK, great - I'll make a small contribution on this, then. Best, Yakikaki (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Done - feel free to change/remove, of course, so that it fits in with the rest of your work if you wish. Best, Yakikaki (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Looks pretty good to me - I made a few minor tweaks for punctuation and such. Nice working with you! Parsecboy (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
By the way, I don't know if your interest in maritime topics extends further than Sweden, but I've been working on a few articles on some Danish ships from the 1880s/1890s lately and there's not a ton on them in English. I have come across a couple of Danish sources (and have cribbed what I could from the da.wiki articles on them) but they aren't available in the US, even if I wanted to feed the text through a machine translator. HDMS Iver Hvitfeldt (1886) is one, if you're interested in taking a look. Parsecboy (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi again. Yeah, Danish maritime history sounds like fun! Danish is sufficiently close to Swedish for me to be able to read it without problems. But are they printed sources? The problem for me would be that I live outside Scandinavia and won't easily access them in that case. But if they are online I could take a look. Yakikaki (talk) 18:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I was hoping you lived in Sweden (or somewhere else in the area) - the chief one I came across is Vore panserskibe 1863-1943, which is not online as far as I know. I could probably pester User:Rsteen (since I believe he has the book, or at least did some years ago when he wrote the da.wiki articles), but he isn't active much on en.wiki. Parsecboy (talk) 21:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
You pinged me sir. Hello Parsecboy. You are right, the Steensen book does not seem to be available online. You have the option of buying it as a ebook for around three dollars/euro, but that would of course require a certain level of enthusiasm for the subject. Anyway, the link is here: https://www.saxo.com/dk/vore-panserskibe-1863-1943_epub_9788793560109 (all in Danish, but a trusted site). My own copy of the book is hidden away in storage (a consequence of living in Italy), but still, I may be able to clarify simple issues without it. Cheers Rsteen (talk) 03:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Ha, I hadn't intended to ping you - I had assumed that because people took the trouble to make templates like {{ping}}, that linking somebody's name wouldn't do that. I guess you learn something new every day.
Thanks for the link - $3USD is a steal, if you ask me - I was thinking it would be long out of print and cost closer to $300! I also got Steen's book on cruisers, as I was thinking of doing those as well, and at that price, I couldn't pass it up. It will be interesting to see how much help I need with a translator - there are a fair few cognates between English and German (which isn't too surprising). Parsecboy (talk) 20:33, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Happy to help. There are some of Steensen's other books among the neat selection of scanned maritime books here: https://marinehist.dk/?page_id=2386 (most of the books in Danish). Cheers Rsteen (talk) 09:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, there's quite a lot of material there! I may well have a much larger project in front of me than I had initially thought when I started on HDMS Herluf Trolle (1899) a week ago (but that's a good problem to have, of course). Thanks again. Parsecboy (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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Type VIIC tonnage

Do you have Groner? I have a suspicion that it's 769 long tons. Common problem on European warships of that era, Conway's uses the abbreviation t and many editors have assumed it's tonnes Lyndaship (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I do, though Groner usually provided tonnes and LT. I'll check later today. Parsecboy (talk) 21:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
I had a look, and 769 tonnes is correct. Parsecboy (talk) 23:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Ok thanks for checking Lyndaship (talk) 07:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
No problem at all. Parsecboy (talk) 13:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 215, March 2024

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Nevada-class

Is there a reason you're so against adding the "super-dreadnought" into the opening sentence? The preceding New York-class and all of the following standard-type dreadnought battleship classes have it. I don't see a reason why this particular class page needs to have a note instead unlike all of the others. The somewhat unprofessional reasons given for the edits seems like this is a personal thing. GansMans (talk) 06:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

See here. And I find your personalized commentary to be rather unprofessional, but what are we going to do? Parsecboy (talk) 09:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
So hostile so quickly. You get away with a lot here, and I think you know that. And it's why you react like this often. But we're not doing this again. Just thought I'd see what the fuss was about. GansMans (talk) 16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
You decided to personalize the discussion with your first post here; you were immediately hostile. Is it any wonder I pointed out your hypocrisy? How else did you think I'd react? With sunshine and roses? If you can't have discussions without immediately behaving this way, you aren't welcome on my talk page. Parsecboy (talk) 17:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
The last sentence offended you? I'm sorry you took it that way, it wasn't my intention. It was simply an observation. I wanted to get a grasp on the situation. If this is how you're handling it consider this the end of the discussion then. GansMans (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
On what planet is an edit summary like "not an improvement - please stop edit-warring over this" unprofessional? And on what basis do you have to assume I have a personal grudge or something? Add to that your first edit in a month is to come to my talk page to criticize an edit-summary of mine. That you and I have a history also does your commentary no favors. You'd have done better to have simply asked a question and dropped the editorializing. Parsecboy (talk) 18:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I was more talking about the "not helpful", "sure it is", and "nope". Those aren't really valid excuses for reverts. What if I did that? GansMans (talk) 21:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
How are they not valid reasons for a revert? The IP has alleged something (equally succinctly, and without basis, you may have noticed), and I am plainly disagreeing with their characterization. While you may not be satisfied, I am not aware of any length requirement for an edit summary; they aren't even required at all.
Nor am I particularly inclined to waste my time explaining something to someone who clearly has no interest in discussion. It's very obviously the same person who has been attempting to shoe-horn their edit into the article, but they haven't bothered to visit the article talk page (or mine). As you have seen above, Ed had a question about it, and I explained my reasoning there. The IP has made no attempt to discuss at any time in the last 4 months; at this point, their behavior is purely disruptive. Parsecboy (talk) 23:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Because it's not very constructive, that's all. There's about 6 better ways of going about it. But I didn't see the earlier conversation, hence why I asked, even though I knew I'd probably regret it.
I disagree, once again there's no reason this particular page needs to be different than the others other than personal preference. And since it's yours and it's been there, it's the status quo so it's not changing. But there's a note, it's been discussed, and a "compromise" has been reached. I'll leave it at that. GansMans (talk) 00:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
When you’ve encountered this exact scenario dozens of times over 18 years of editing, you may begin to understand my lack of patience for it. I am not going to cater to people who are only wasting my time.
Setting aside the argument that all articles should be consistent for an moment, exactly what other articles in the series of American battleship articles have them listed as super-dreadnoughts? None of the articles I’ve written (which is almost all of them) use the term. Parsecboy (talk) 09:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Every other standard-type class article (besides Tennessee which you changed 2 days go) opens with "The x class was a class of y-amount super-dreadnought battleships built for the United States Navy." Again up until you changed Tennessee, they all had super-dreadnought written right in the opener. I guess its fine if you're going to change the rest, but we can't keep having these "exclusive" articles that have your version of what you want. They all change, or they keep the uniformity. No reason we need an in-between. GansMans (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
USS New Mexico (BB-40) was a battleship in service with the United States Navy from 1918 to 1946.
USS Mississippi (BB-41/AG-128), the second of three members of the New Mexico class of battleship...
USS Idaho (BB-42), a New Mexico-class battleship,...
USS Tennessee (BB-43) was the lead ship of the Tennessee class of dreadnought battleships built for the United States Navy in the 1910s.
USS California (BB-44) was the second of two Tennessee-class battleships built for the United States Navy...
USS Colorado (BB-45) was a battleship of the United States Navy that was in service from 1923 to 1947
USS Maryland (BB-46), also known as "Old Mary" or "Fighting Mary" to her crewmates, was a Colorado-class battleship.
USS Washington (BB-47), a Colorado-class battleship, was the second ship...
USS West Virginia (BB-48) was the fourth dreadnought battleship of the Colorado class...
There is no rule that articles have to be consistent. But if anything needs to be standardized, it's opposite of the direction you want. But the difference between me and that IP is that I'm not going to impose my preferences on an article I didn't write. Parsecboy (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)