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February flowers

... for what you said to Flyer22 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Review

Hey, can you review Draft: D'Evil? Regards, Owlf 📪 17:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Not until you start declaring your PAIDs. Sorry. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

i agree that we had some conflicts before but I don't have any COI or paid things before or now here in wikipedia. Just don't cross your limit . You can raise a request to admin if you think i do paid editing there to edit on wikipedia. But for your kind information I'm retiring from wikipedia. I see that nepali wikipedians doesn't have any ethics or courage's here in English wikipedia. So, I'm retiring here with revoking all my rights from Wikipedia. Additionally, my account is not compromised this time. Regards Owlf 📪 20:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for most of your contributions. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Turning a redirect into a standalone article

Hello, I’m not if or not it was you or usernamekiran who once tried explaining the simplest format of turning a redirect into a standalone, but regardless how do you turn a redirect, redirecting to a different article into a standalone article? Celestina007 (talk) 20:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Celestina007! After you find the page, it's a simple matter of editing it to put in the wikitext for the article. Any page that does not start with #REDIRECT stops being a redirect. The problem is finding the page to edit. For that, you can type the full url like this: en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=blm&redirect=no. Or you can try and get to it like you would any other page. And, after it redirects to the target article, you can scroll to the top of that article where you will find in small letters "Redirected from Link for the redirect in the above format, so it does not redirect back to the article". You can also visit the "what links here" of the target article (and filter for redirects if it's a long list), and get to the redirect from there (as above, this list's links are formatted so they don't redirect back). There's WP:RTOA if you have not found it yet. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The WP:EDRED is just so ambiguous, using so many words but saying nothing tangible and precise, I find your “what links here” method to be the easiest and most precise method. Thanks for the assistance. Celestina007 (talk) 01:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I suppose that's true. It gives one of the ways, but in a way that made me wonder if it would at all make sense to someone who's not looking to only confirm what they already know. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Insisting on racist language

Why in the world would you restore outdated and racist language like that? Please read the talk page before you proceed further. Also please be aware that beyond the inappropriateness of the change, this is not vandalism and linguistic quibbles, especially those with racist undertones, do not justify a revert. I am reverting you and will take this to ANI if you continue this mass violation of Wikipedia policies. Elinruby (talk) 09:21, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Actually, the unreferenced quotation section contains a number of side disputes and is difficult to read. I was trying to point you at these lInks: WP:QUOTEPOV and WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. Let me get you the policy on reverting. Elinruby (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Please see WP:STATUSQUO:

Reverting is appropriate mostly for vandalism or other disruptive edits. The Wikipedia edit warring policy forbids repetitive reverting. If you see a good-faith edit which you believe lowers the quality of the article, make a good-faith effort to reword instead of just reverting it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Elinruby (talk • contribs)

• Wow! It sounds a lot like you're calling me a racist for reverting one edit that introduced a typo into an FA. Fun though it would be to be dragged to ANI accused of racism, I invite you to take a moment to reflect and then come back and apologise. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Because racist language is better than a typo, and it's more fun this way, hmm? I am still looking for the typo and will fix it, but I urge you to re-read the three policies you violated with this single edit. I despise dragging people to ANI and don't plan to do so unless you persist. But please do reconsider your facile demand for an apology. I said you restored racist language and asked you why in the world you would do that. You could have simply answered the question. You could have made the change yourself, and I would have thanked you. But fine. I am taking care of it. But it definitely was not a constructive edit. Elinruby (talk) 10:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so, ignoring everything that's offensive to the bone, because apparently in your world, reverting an edit is worse than repeatedly accusing another of racism, your substitution is not an improvement. That is why I did not correct the typo instead of reverting. Read the sentence again: The primary stated goal was to convert Indigenous children to Christianity and to civilize them. (emphasis mine) It means there is a first-hand statement somewhere that says, "Our primary goal is to convert indigenous children to Christianity and to civilise them". You can't just change it to "to acculturate them" so casually. "Civilize" has a specific meaning and connotation in the history of colonialism and racism. Any other word you might grab from your thesaurus does not have the same meaning for that context. You can't misread it as ""civilize" in wikivoice" (which is what you are doing), then get offended with anyone who you think might disagree. You may be on to something, there may be room for improvement, but yours wasn't it, and my reversion certainly wasn't racist. All If anything, it is racist to dilute the language and misrepresent the extent of racism in the history we are writing about, in that manner. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Trying again: I didn't say *you* were racist. I said the language was racist, and asked you why you would restore it. I suspected there was some such reason, but here is the thing. The underlying assumption that these Indigenous children needed to be "civilized" is profoundly racist and hurtful. Imagine being an Indigenous child, and reading that. So why would you repeat it in the voice of Wikipedia? By the way, I am not offended, merely trying to educate.

I can tell that you still haven't read the links I supplied. Any such quote absolutely *must* be in quotes and *must* be attributed. There is already a lengthy discussion on the talk page about exactly this Wikipedia policy, about some other language, but as mentioned the section takes some detours and reaches agreement nested in the middle. Such language *is* historically accurate but when it is unattributed and not even in scare quotes you leave Wikipedia open to the perception that Wikipedia agrees. "Assimilate" and "acculturate" are more neutral words for the same concept. I am open to suggestions if you don't like those. It would also be acceptable, if you really want to use this word to portray the dehumanization, to quote someone who said it, and attribute the quote. But as written, it does not convey that

there is a first-hand statement somewhere that says, "Our primary goal is to convert indigenous children to Christianity and to civilise them".

It conveys that Wikipedia thinks this is true.

There are a lot of people out there who *do* think this is true. Take it from someone who learned in school that missionaries were good, because they were saving souls. Or, you could take a look at the talk page for Kamloops Indian Residential School. I had to explain to someone yesterday that the local band is considered a reliable source about work that it commissioned. "Civilized" may be acceptable usage in history or poli sci papers, perhaps, but this is Wikipedia and Wikipedia policy applies no matter who clutches their pearls ;) so I really do suggest you read those links.

Meanwhile, here is where we are. We have each reverted once. It did get your attention, but you still don't seem to be listening. We need to discuss now. I have made a couple of suggestions for a path forward if you don't like "acculturate", which is a rather pompous word, I agree. Please do let me know if you plan to make any other change, but I am not necessarily against other wordings. I just want some input. I find "assimilate" acceptable, but I have already changed "civilize" to "assimilate" in several places, because not only was "civilize" racist and ethocentric, it appeared over and over again.

I will ignore your last sentence as unworthy of my attention. Elinruby (talk) 16:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

TL;DR=if there is a first-hand statement out there like that, find it, attribute it and use it. Elinruby (talk) 16:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

It is not an opinion; it's a factual claim. If it's false, it shouldn't be there at all. If it's true, all we should do is report the truth accurately, without any whitewashing. If you don't know whether it's true, you have no business tinkering with it. Assuming it's true, put it in quotes to make it clearer: The primary stated goal was to convert Indigenous children to Christianity and to "civilize" them. Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

You're still not getting it. Putting quotes around civilize is a slight improvement towards getting it out of Wikivoice and thank you for that. It still doesn't tell us *who* said it and {{who}} is still how I would tag the above text. And I am ignoring your comment about whitewashing as ridiculous to anyone familiar with me.

However, I do have the ghost of a constructive suggestion: Kamloops Indian Residential School contains an attributed quote that uses this language. This quotation is within the rules. Perhaps this is helpful context? Elinruby (talk) 20:59, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Another possibly helpful comment

I believe that that quote aligns with what you are saying here. If this, and the "kill the Indian in the child" phrase that has come up before, were essentially proverbs or sayings that everybody just knew, then they themselves may be good topics to explore the racism of the period, which probably does lack Wikipedia articles. Also, a stated purpose of at least one school was to protect children from Gold Rush miners, and that the Fraser Canyon War was sparked by the death of a young woman? Elinruby (talk) 21:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thoughts and prayers exists, so there is a precedent for an article about such a saying. Elinruby (talk) 23:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Again, it's not an opinion, it's a factual claim. for a primary stated goal? The who is whomever's primary stated goal it is, which is clear enough in the article. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

You still aren't getting it. "Civilize" is inherently ethnocentric. If you want to use it it must be in an attributed quotation. Please see the example provided, as well as the links to the policy which explicitly says so. Elinruby (talk) 22:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

If it is so clear in the article, please edit the sentence to say this, and I will go away.Elinruby (talk) 22:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

NO! Donotcontactme (talk) 13:21, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gongfong2021, how did you find me, and what are you talking about? Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from HrezMc on Hungarian anti-LGBT law (19:21, 25 June 2021)

Hey, how can I change a title to this article. It surely is an anti-LGBT law by any means. But it would certainly be important to be a little bit more concrete:

I would suggest to name it "Hungarian anti-LGBT education law" --HrezMc (talk) 19:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @HrezMc! This looks like an article where moving (which is what we call renaming) without discussing first is not going to work. The instructions for proposing potentially controversial moves are at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. Please see if you can figure it out from there; if something goes wrong, I'll help you fix it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Question from Nish Rishi. on User:2409:4064:A9A:9D47:0:0:1AD8:E0AD (11:37, 27 June 2021)

How can i publish my article on wikipedia --Nish Rishi. (talk) 11:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Nish Rishi., welcome to Wikipedia! I would recommend first learning the ropes by editing existing articles before you attempt to write your own. But, if you must, you should start by reading Wikipedia:Your first article. Please let me know if you have further questions after reading it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for counselling User:Curious boy np. They do have some productive edits and they clearly were working in the best interests of the project. They are just a bit misguided and perhaps easily baited into a negative reaction.

I have unblocked them. I don't know how well the unblock will go, but I am sure they have a better chance of fitting in with your help. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 07:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you HighInBC! Considering the number of spammers and vandals I come across every week, as I reckon, all long-term editors do, it's a welcome change to find someone who's here to edit Wikipedia. I intend to give as much help as is welcome, and hope for the best. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

... for what you said on User talk:SlimVirgin - missing pictured on my talk, with music full of hope and reformation --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Moghbazar Blast 2021

Hello @Usedtobecool Thanks for your review on Moghbazar Blast 2021, but I just came across 2021 Moghbazar explosion mind having a look ? Thanks Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 16:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Guess I should have thought of that possibility. I have bundled it to the AFD. If they're kept, they can be merged later. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome :) and Thanks Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 15:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Requesting Feedback

Hello There @Usedtobecool hope you are doing great, I had created this draft which now looks way better see Draft:Surroor 2021, as other editors have worked on it too, would you please mind reviewing it? Thanks and Regards Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 17:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I must decline. Sorry! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Wmikemerc on Help:Introduction to tables with VisualEditor/2 (23:55, 4 July 2021)

Hi. I enabled editing in preferences as the instructions say. Now there is an Edit button on my sandbox page, but not on the article I want to edit. How come? --Wmikemerc (talk) 23:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Wmikemerc, is it all articles or just the one you want to edit? If it's just the one, it could be protected from editing by new editors. Without knowing the specifics, it's hard to make a guess, as I barely ever use the visual editor. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:01, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, you are right. For other articles there is indeed an edit button. Well that is a shame. In the article on Human there are typos, non-words, a sentence that makes no sense, and a sentence that is redundant.Wmikemerc (talk) 02:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

You only need five more edits to become autoconfirmed, after which you can edit that article. Meanwhile, you can make WP:Edit requests on its talk page. It's interesting that you should find that many errors on that article, as apparently, it's currently a good article nominee. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Ping Wmikemerc. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Question

Why aren’t you yourself going for RFA? Your knowledge of Wikipedia policy is nigh perfect, Hell! You are overqualified for that. You have the right temperament, perfect knowledge of policy, basically everything an ideal Admin is, You may not remember, but there was a time I was reading WP:EDRED, I had read it over and over again but couldn’t understand it. I asked you and you gave me the most precise answer that proved very pertinent. Honestly please apply for RFA. I literally do not foresee any opposes. Please think about it. Celestina007 (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for a heart-warming vote of confidence, @Celestina007. It means a lot. Truth is, I can hardly find the time to make good use of the tools I already have. So, I am not thinking about RFA any time soon. Thank you though. Oh, and, congratulations on coming out (I just noticed it on your userpage). Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, it means a lot to me. Whilst you may not have the time now, I still want you to think about it. Have a nice weekend ahead. Celestina007 (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

You too. Cheers! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:24, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

Hello Usedtobecool:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is currently a backlog of over 1700 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!

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Explanation about User:Rajendra.dongol.

Banbibek (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2021 (UTC) Rajendra dongol is my friend. Its true that he delete the articel because I want to write about Bhimarjun acharya. We delete the article in mutal understanding. I am new in wikipedia and I apologies if made any mistake.

And what about the subject of the draft? What kind of conflict of interest do you have? You really should disclose it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I dont have any personal realtion with the subject(Bhimarjun acharya). Indeed, I was about to write on difrrent topic but unfortunately that topic has already wikki page. Rajendra is my friend and he was wrting about bhimarjun acharya. I asked him to delete the article becuase I have lots of information about bhimarjun acharya and also want to have experience in wikki. And most important thing is, mine and bhimarjun birth place(Dang) is same. Heard about him since i was kid. If deleting article from Rajendra account is big mistake then I beg for apologies.

Waiting for your kind response. Banbibek (talk) 01:49, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

You need sources, rather than information. It was rejected because you resubmitted too many times without substantial improvements. If you can't find good sources, you had best go back to your first instinct, and write about other topics. There are plenty of missing articles from Nepal. Good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. I added some soruces in "Major Books" topic. Those URL are from books.google.com.np and openlibrary.org. And I have provided all the source link in "Reference" section. Please check it once again. If I did any mistake then please guide me.

This is my page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhimarjun_Acharya Banbibek (talk) 05:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

• I and Rajenra.dongol and myself have deleted the article about Bhimarjun Acharya and have requested banbibek to write it and submit to wikipedia. BankBibek is free to do this job. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajendra.dongol (talk • contribs)

Bibek has blanked the page, so I assume the discussion is moot? I have tagged it for deletion per WP:G7. Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usedtobecool (talk • contribs)

Andre Gaines

Hi. I was really perplexed as to why this had not been published yet. There are many, many mentions that mean he meets GNG. I've moved it to mainspace; if you think it does not belong there, please feel free to AfD. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 04:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

PS: to clarify the rationale, he meets NFILMMAKER for directing The One and Only Dick Gregory: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work ... In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of ... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." There are 11 high-quality reviews of that work sourced in the article. --- Possibly ☎ 05:05, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I take it you got the ping? It's weird that an automated tool would decide to move your comment around, and it would register as a ping. Anyway, obviously, many mentions is not what GNG is; in fact, it is specifically what GNG is not. That said, I have no strong feelings on whether this should be an article, beyond what I wrote. I didn't even look at it long enough to make it a review, instead of just a comment, nor do I intend to. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I was watching the page. Sorry, I had interpreted your comment as part of the article being declined. In any case, he's notable by GNG and NARTIST, and he's published now. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 05:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Question

I have 2FA enabled due to the incessant multiple attempts to hack my account following this thread. My question is, hypothetical my phone falls into an ocean or and my scratch cards get lost, is my account lost forever? Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

From what I gather from the documentation, you can recover it if you can convince one of the wikimedia developers to directly access the database and reset your account there. But, considering the effort it would take to be able to verify your identity, not to mention privacy concerns, I would suggest you just write one of the codes in a book you would never lend. Of course, you can always create a new account if you lose access to this one. Oh, and, depending on the phone, you could probably backup your whole phone, so you can recover everything and resume like nothing had happened, on a new one. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Ping Celestina007, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

You are far too kind, although I already asked the question at the Teahouse(both an irony and ah anomaly seeing as a I’m a Teahouse myself) and got a similar response. You see why you should be an Admin, you literally almost know everything (this isn’t me patronizing you but only stating facts) Thanks once again UTBC. Celestina007 (talk) 19:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Joseph Kpaka on Help:Getting started (01:43, 12 July 2021)

Hello,how can i download books on wikipedia --Joseph Kpaka (talk) 01:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Joseph Kpaka, if you mean that you want to download WP:Books to your device, there seems to be this tool which seems to work fine. Do note that the Book: namespace has been deprecated, and all the books are temporarily stored as subpages of WP:Books/archive (index available at Wikipedia:Books/archive/All pages) awaiting deletion. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from RicedChrispy (21:12, 12 July 2021)

Hi,

Is there anyway I can use any work I have done for Wikipedia as a means of displaying my editing skills to future employers/as a resume or CV entry?

I am currently participating in Wikipedia as a means of improving my proofreading and editing skills as well as elaborating in film articles (specifically ones made in Hong Kong) which I feel have lacklustre synposes.

Thank you for any advice in advance :) --RicedChrispy (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @RicedChrispy, Wikipedia does not issue certificates of proficiency, experience or expertise, if that is what you are asking. But, of course, people do learn skills here which become an asset in their careers, and there are employers who see it or can be convinced to see it as a plus. Every single edit you make on Wikipedia is logged at Special:Contributions/RicedChrispy, and at the bottom of that page are links to some pages that generate the data in aggregate. I really couldn't say more by way of advising you as I am not in career counselling, but, to speak from the Wikipedia side of things, editors do well when their main goal is to build the encyclopedia, to contribute to free human knowledge; any other motivations you may have had best remain in the periphery. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the verification of page!

Hi there! I have made an article Draft:Bishwa Prakash Sharma. Reviewers are continuisly denying this article to get published. This article worths reaching mainspace. Mr. Sharma has article on newiki and other wikis. He is a notable popular youth leader of Nepal and remains in news articles regularly. Mr. Sharma is national spokesperson and central committee member of governing party of Nepali congress. You are known to Nepal related affais as i saw in Nepal project. The reviewers say he is not a member of legislative assembly so non notable. They may not know there are thousands of article people less notabe than him from Nepal. You must know consensus he holds in Nepalese politics with just a google/youtube search and their views. Many elected people dn't hold that consensus. Help me publish the article. I hope you would aid this process. Thank-you!110.44.124.164 (talk) 10:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! If you've never been elected to a major public office, you need to meet WP:GNG. Wikipedia, as an encyclopaedia, only cares about whether there is significant coverage in reliable sources to build a balanced biography. The sources you have added to the draft so far do not seem sufficient. Because this is a WP:BLP and because the content on the draft already smells of WP:COI, we must have strong sources. I would recommend you find some sources that meet WP:SIGCOV, rather than an editor to agree with you. Wikipedia works on WP:CONSENSUS; one editor can not override it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:47, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Article Regarding Bhimarjun Acharya

Hello Usedtobecool Why would you not approve the article Draft:Bhimarjun_Acharya when it has many reliable and independent sources as citations? The citations are in this article are way stronger than some similar stub articles in Nepali wikipedia space. Please reconsider.

Silver112358 (talk) 15:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

And, who might you be, now? Just another friend, I suppose. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Can i just get a simple explaination? There are citations all the way from Nepal Supreme Court Bar Association to Nepal Literature festival and openlibrary to news in the article. Thank you

Silver112358 (talk) 15:21, 20 July 2021 (UTC) There are articles like these Aanchal Sharma which has one or two news articles, an IMBD and an Instagram page as links and references but when there are plenty of reliable citations in my article it appears you are ignoring it. All I am requesting is to reconsider the citations once again, I assure you they are reliable and independent. Silver112358 (talk) 15:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Bhimarjun Acharya is not someone ambiguous or unknown. I have added more links in the article regarding him. He has featured in BBC Nepali and Kantipur Television Network as a constitutional expert. Please look into it Usedtobecool. Thank you Silver112358 (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

WCanada Nepal is not a reliable source; Khabarhub is probably reliable, but nowhere near reputed enough to count towards notability. Street Nepal is not reliable. Almost all the sources are interviews. Which sources do you claim meet WP:SIGCOV? If you don't, what other criterion of notability would you have me consider? Then there's the issue of WP:BLP. Because most sources are unreliable or WP:FAKEREFS or interviews or non-independent, and most of the content doesn't have sources at all, it would be a BLP violation to have it in mainspace. And all of this is before considering the WP:SOCKing, and by all indications, WP:UPE. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Usedtobecool why would you mind considering one of the biggest Television network in Nepal Kantipur Television as a reliable source where Bhimarjun Acharya has been addressed and interviwed multiple times as a constitutional expert (Links: 1 2 Nepali Literature Festival? He has been mentioned in the Supreme Court Bar Association site. Sources have been provided for his publication works too.If that's not enought to satisy WP:SIGCOV I am not sure what else is. With this I don't see and issue with WP:BLP either. Also, would you please consider his social media presence as well? Bhimarjun Acharya on twitter Bhimarjun Acharya on Facebook Bhimarjun Acharya Youtube Thank you Silver112358 (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I as an individual editor can try to edit and improve other's articles. And just doing that doesn't make it a WP:SOCK.

Silver112358 (talk) 17:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

See WP:N. That's all that Wikipedia cares about. Journalists and commentators have a hard time getting articles on Wikipedia because they write and talk about other people, but hardly anyone ever talks or writes about them in depth. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Usedtobecool! I have added more notable mentions of Dr.Bhimarjun Acharya in the citations. The article might pass as WP:NPROF because of his judicial activism. Please give it a look. Thank you Silver112358 (talk) 07:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Uttam Nepali

On 22 July 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Uttam Nepali, which you created. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 05:18, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Vansh harwani on Kochi Tuskers Kerala (14:41, 24 July 2021)

Hi --Vansh harwani (talk) 14:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Vansh harwani (14:43, 24 July 2021)

How to edit a template? --Vansh harwani (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Vansh harwani, hi! Templates should say V T E in the corner. Click V to visit the template page, T to reach its talk page if you want to discuss something about it, and E to open the editing window for it. If it doesn't have the VTE links, you will have to go to the template page manually. You can do so by typing its url. If the template is written as {{Kerala Sports}} in the article, its url would be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Kerala Sports . For another template, just replace "Kerala Sports" with that template's name. When there, you can edit it as you do other pages on Wikipedia. As you can see, two sentences ago, I wrote {{tlp|Kerala Sports}} and it now shows as a link which you can click to reach the template as well. So, you can just write the template's name in that format and save it somewhere, your userpage or sandbox, for example, and then click it to reach the template page, also. Whichever you find easy. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Zefu zungu (15:58, 26 July 2021)

how do we know i a source is no reliable and usually how many sources are needed to meet criteria i find it hard to edit articles that have been regarded as lacking verification for notable people --Zefu zungu (talk) 15:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Zefu zungu, apologies for the delay; it completely slipped my mind that I had unreplied messages. So, it seems to me like you are asking about establishing notability for article topics so that they get accepted or don't get deleted, as with Bmcabana SF.

First of all, we need to distinguish between sources that meet WP:V and sources that meet WP:N. To meet WP:V; ie. to show that the content you've written is true according to reliable sources, you need to add one reliable source that confirms the content you are adding. For example, you've written "In 2020 he release two singles titled "Down" and "O'ryan Code" which is sourced to this. First of all, the source only says that the second album was in 2020, so it fails WP:V by way of not confirming the claim you've made in the article. Secondly, it's a Discogs profile; the about page of Discogs says that it's a user generated database, which means we don't know who wrote it and where they got their information from. So, we can not trust it. So it is not a reliable source. It takes experience to recognise all the ways that a source can be reliable or unreliable, but in general, sources that are reputed for fack-checking and issuing corrections when they make a mistake are reliable (for example, national newspapers, and books that were authored by subject-matter experts and published by a reputed publisher which puts them through an editorial review before publishing).

To show that a subject is notable, you need at least three reliable sources of the kind we discussed above, but it has to have covered the topic in detail; confirming one or two facts is not enough. And it has to be independent, i.e. written by people who are not connected to the subject, so that we can trust that they are being truthful and unbiased. Finally, if Bmcabana meets one of the criteria at WP:NACTOR or WP:NSINGER, you can show notability just by adding one reliable source that confirms the claim, without it having to have covered the person in detail.

You seem to be writing about barely notable topics which have a history or potential of abuse from undisclosed paid editors and spammers. If you are one of them, you'll be blocked soon. If you are not one and are here to improve the encyclopedia, please drop these topics for now, and choose 100% notable topics (for example, kings and queens, MPs and government ministers, battles and massacres, etc, or topics which do have three or more strong sources covering them in detail), and I'll be happy to guide you. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

OkayUsedtobecool ☎️ please help me DROP the Topic so that from now on i will start working on Notable topic that have a broader coverage

Zefu zungu (talk) 06:17, 26 July 2021 (CAT)

By "drop", I meant that you stop editing and discussing them. Just unwatch them by clicking the star next to the "View history" tab and forget about them. You can go back to them, in a year or two, after you've gained sufficient experience to be able to expertly navigate the debates on borderline notable and controversial subjects. There is no deadline, there is no hurry, and there is always something else to do on Wikipedia. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Thee Wyze Guyy (22:52, 27 July 2021)

Hello

What are your interests --Thee Wyze Guyy (talk) 22:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Thee Wyze Guyy, let's just say they're varied, for now. Although, I'm recently into chess; I'm not very good though. Do you need help with editing Wikipedia? Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Holy Coves Draft

Hi, Thankyou for reviewing my draft Holy Coves. I used the live help after you had reviewed my submission and made all amendments as advised. Would it be possible for me to resubmit...I cannot seem to find the submit button. Thankyou :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlowerMoon593 (talk • contribs)

You were given many chances to show that it meets either WP:GNG or WP:NBAND, but you have not been able to, which leads me to believe that the topic is just not notable. No amount of editing the draft, resubmitting or posting to help desks and reviewer talk pages can compensate for a lack of notability. You are free to continue to work on it, and resubmit it again if you really improve it to meet the above guidelines. But I have no intention of spending any more time with this as you are here to only promote that band and I am definitely not here to help you promote that band. If I am wrong and you are here to build the encyclopedia, please find something else to do. You can get back to it, when you have accumulated more experience with sourcing and notability. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Usedtobecool after review by yourself I followed your advice and sought advice from the live help, I was told on there it was notable but that some of my references did damage and so with help I have amended it. I am not here to promote Holy Coves, I have an interest in Welsh musicians/bands and had planned to draft up others too. I have attempted to find 'something else to do' but when I asked to work on something I did not hear back from Wikipedia. Thanks FlowerMoon593 (talk) 12:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@FlowerMoon593, the first reference does not support the first sentence. That's kind of a big fail right out of the gate.

The sources don't show that the topic meets WP:GNG. If they show that it meets one of the criteria at WP:NBAND that I've missed, I am all ears.

If all you are looking for is a "Resubmit" button, you can add a new {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page and someone else will review it. Be warned that they may start a deletion discussion if they think you've submitted without making meaningful improvements.

If you want to work on Avril Lavigne or any other topic, just go ahead. You don't need anyone's permission. Be WP:BOLD. Don't take it personally if someone reverts your edits, just follow WP:BRD. Make few changes and wait a day or two, instead of putting in a huge effort all at once which may be objected to by others. If someone mistreats you, Seek Help. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Verifition of article:list of democratic parties in Nepal

Please help me get this article verified. looking at your contributions to Wikiproject Nepal, i thing you must know the notability of this article. Wiki already has List of political parties in Nepal, List of communist parties in Nepal and List of regional and ethnicity based parties in Nepal. list of Democratic Parties in Nepal was left to be made which i have so help me get this verified.103.10.29.66 (talk) 07:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! Sorry but I don't see a need for these sub-lists. There's nothing to include which would not fit into List of political parties in Nepal. What's the section, Notable Democratic leaders of Nepal, even doing there? That kind of stuff is what makes it obvious that you are making a WP:POVFORK to promote some parties and individuals. Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello ☎️, even the communist parties and ethenic/regional parties of Neapal have a separate article for them. Why can't there be a an article with list of democratic paries in Nepal? They are more significant and have larger public vote in Nepal to other two.110.44.121.36 (talk) 10:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Ysabel Bisnath for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ysabel Bisnath is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ysabel Bisnath until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 06:30, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Kingdom of Nepal

See Kingdom of Sikkim, Kirat Kingdom, Republic of Afghanistan, Emirate of Afghanistan, Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, Kingdom of Afghanistan, Gorkha Kingdom, Raj Darbhanga and many such still exist which don't represent a different country. Is this your personal ego or Wiki policy? Please answer. I will request for a block on your account to Wikipedia if you will make revert my change. Please don't take this as a warnings. Its a suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curious km (talk • contribs)

Disappointing! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Curious km (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Noting that I have oversighted one revision to this page, as it revealed the IP address of a logged out editor. The context of the above message has not been altered, and this is a specifically noted legitimate use of the oversight function. I make no comment in regards to the ANI thread. Many thanks ~TNT (she/they • talk) 18:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

P.S. @Usedtobecool: You may have received an echo notification which contained the IP address in question. Please do not mention this IP address, as it would be deemed private information. Many thanks for your cooperation ~TNT (she/they • talk) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time, @TheresNoTime. It was already oversighted by the time I saw the notification as I was quite busy with 2004 Beni attack. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

You seem to have communist ideology. It's not bad to have such ideology. Please don't insert them on Wikipedia. Don't you try to sprinkle salt of wound of lakhs of Nepalese. This is the reason Maoist are suffering today. Please work as per interest of Nepalese people if you really want to contribute to Wikiproject Nepal. Curious km (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@Curious km I just saw this and was about to say oh dear please don’t engage in TE or cast aspersions when I saw you have been correctly indef blocked for a far greater transgression. Celestina007 (talk) 01:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Hem Raj BC

27-August 2021 Hi @UUsedtobecool, I am trying to set up a Wiki page for Nepali director Hem Raj B.C. Could you help me please? I am new here. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Souliam (talk • contribs)

This topic has had far too much disruption to take anything on good faith. Try editing something else for a while to learn how things are done on Wikipedia. I have no interest in helping an SPA get a promotional article published, certainly not one that has taken so much time and effort of multiple editors. Sorry! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Need Help

Please could you be so kind as point me to a script or perhaps an already existing mechanism that tells me the first account that created an article which is now currently red linked? Celestina007 (talk) 00:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

​I use Special:Log (put the title in the "Target" field); I don't know of anything else. What non-admins can see about deleted articles is extremely limited, so I'd be surprised if any mechanism could give more than what's listed in these public logs.

Sometimes the articles which have been moved around a lot (and likely also with histmerged, restored, etc.) have their logs split between all the different titles they've been at. So, if the log says such actions have been performed, or if the logs appear incomplete, you'll have to get logs for those other titles as well and piece the story together yourself. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Apparently, if I’m interpreting what Barkeep49 told me there’s a superlink script developed by Bradv that shows you the original creator of an article but it appears mobile editors(iOS or android) cannot access nor enjoy this for now. I’m a mobile editor. Having access to that script would save me great time. Having said I still find a different method you taught me sometime ago when I was creating some of my essays and trying to turn redirects into articles very very much helpful. The “what links here” method although stressful did the job for me today. I was able to track down the original creator of a certain article. If I’m correct i presume you reside in Nepal(forgive my assumption if I’m incorrect) and it should be 10:10am there right? Let me allow you prepare for work. In Nigeria it’s 5:23am I have to go to sleep now. I’m up by 6:30am and have to be at the office by 9:00am. Have a great day mate. Celestina007 (talk) 04:25, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

That answers how you managed to leave me a message so early when you ought to be waking up after me . One hour of sleep seems rather low. Hope you don't make it a habit.

I have that script installed. What it does is provided links for log, history, etc. at the top of the page and you can click one to get the logs as a pop up without reloading the page. You'd still have to click the redlink to get to the page and then come out of the create page window, for the correct superlinks to show. It works in the desktop mode on my android phone.

Indeed it was 10:10 am, but I don't have to go anywhere today. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:11, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I’d be sure not to make it a habit😊. Celestina007 (talk) 23:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Zizek Bibliography: deletion of Russia Today publications

Hello Usedtobecool,

I write to you, because you are mentioned as a member of the WikiProject Socialism. I'm editing the Zizek bibliography. Here I also mention the op-ed publications on Russia Today. There is a WP editor who holds the opinion, that these edits violate Wikipedia:RSP. I can't see how this is applicable. You can read my argument here. The editor doesn't respond.

If you have an interest in the subject, I would be happy, if you could contribute your opinion. If you don't have an interest, maybe you know someone else who might have?

With kind regards.

--Quin451 (talk) 13:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Quin451, it appears you have already found an editor who agrees with you. I don't see a point piling on while DG hasn't even responded. If he reverts again but doesn't come to the talk page, drop him a note at his talk page. Otherwise, follow WP:DR. But I guess you might already know this, since this is your alt account. I have watchlisted, and will comment if I see something I can add to.

Since you've not disclosed who you are, there is no way of knowing your past involvements with DG or I or other editors you have dropped notes to, if any. Nor if you know me and the other editors well enough to think that we'd side with you over DG. That presents an awkward situation with regard to WP:CANVASS. So, I'd recommend that you post at public boards instead of user talk pages. WT:SOCIALISM, WP:RSN, and WP:3O/WP:DRN in their turns, come to mind. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:25, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations from WikiProject Articles for Creation!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar & The Teamwork Barnstar
	Congratulations! You have earned The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar and The Teamwork Barnstar for reviewing 43 drafts and doing 37 re-reviews during the WikiProject Articles for creation July 2021 Backlog Drive. Thank you for your work to improve Wikipedia! On behalf of WikiProject Articles for Creation, Enterprisey (talk!) 00:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from LokiOttawa (08:07, 9 September 2021)

Hello I desperately need to know how to make my page accurate. It is inaccurate to the point of marrying me off to my late fiancé! Also timelines are all wrong and so much is left out such as information about education, my late father and various achievements. Someone suggested I do another interview with a detailed account of my life. I am also told that businesses etc actually pay and get things edited or upgraded. Thank you --LokiOttawa (talk) 08:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello @LokiOttawa, it appears you are asking about the article on Louise Robey. While it's true that paid editing is allowed, I would recommend against it. If you would be able to find sources, volunteer editors will happily add to your article based on them. Sources don't have to be online. If you are Ms. Robey, you may have newspaper/mag clippings from when you were written about. Those would work. Wikipedia articles exist not for the service of their subjects but as a compendium of known knowledge about knowledge-worthy topics. If what's known about you is an incomplete picture of your life and career, that's what the article will reflect. If some things that are known about you are deemed not worth knowing, they will stay out too.

As soon as paid editors get involved, scrutiny goes way up, and your article is more likely to get further trimmed down to what's supported by strong reliable sources only.

As a subject of a WP:BLP, you do have rights. One of them is that if there are inaccuracies, it can be removed first and discussed later. The claim of marriage is supported by this:[1], which claims to have been written by someone claiming to be Robey's and Shafer's friend. I have removed the claim for now. I will start a discussion on the article's talk page. Please share your thoughts on the veracity of that source there. If there's something else, you'd want urgently removed, that can be done too. And it will stay out unless there is agreement on the talk page that it should be included. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

RFA?

I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this to you before but don’t you think it’s about time? Blablubbs finally took our advice and went for it and see how good it turned out. I believe you should too, there are very few people who “wow me” and you are one of those people. I think if you decide to, there are a plethora of sysops who are more than willing to nominate you. The project definitely needs you doing administrative duties. Celestina007 (talk) 13:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Indeed you have, Celestina. But it's always nice to read your kind words. As I said before, I do not have the time for anything more than I can already do right now. And an RFA is not worth going through, unless you can really contribute with the tools. I have been asked about it by other editors before, yes, so I have thought about it a bit, and I think I have a few things I can do better before I consider myself ready. But I don't have much time for that either. I guess, it's not the time time, as much as the frame of mind. Anyhow, I have a few things to sort out with what I am doing and how I am doing it on Wikipedia and in life, before I am able to contribute more, with or without the extra buttons.

Blablubbs' was a nice one, wasn't it? Pity I missed it. I, for some reason, thought it would end two days later than it did. So, I was too late. But almost 300 supports, that's very nice encouragement for a valuable contributor. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I recollect now that you mentioned something about barely having time for some of the good works you already carry out, that mirrors what is currently happening to me, i guess it’s alright then, Blablubbs said something similar but had a change of heart as I believe you’d too. You see Adminship isn’t a big deal, a mere clue as to how Wikipedia works is literally all that really counts. For me I’ve been asked four or five times now but my answer remains “when I’m ready” or “not yet” but in all sincerely as someone who is an anti UPE editor I believe if I ever RFA, it would be a bloodbath and revenge for persons I frustrated out of UPE. I’m not sure what adjustments they are currently making to RFA process, but if ever (wishfull thinking) RFA was made in such a manner where ARBCOM or CRATS were the ones asking the tough questions that would be ideal rather than the current mess RFA is right now. Statically speaking this year was the worst, we had the fewest RFA's & can you blame them? Nobody wants to be put in a position where you are extensively pilloried. I’m thankful to God and the community that I can be of help within my capacity and do not necessarily need the extra buttons as of now. In your case I literally do not see any opposes. Have a wonderful day ahead dear friend, I believe it’s about that 5:30am over there right? It’s just 12:45am in Nigeria. Next time I visit my extended family in India, maybe I could pay you a visit 😊. Celestina007 (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

​Adminship may not be a big deal but RFA certainly is. If you can't already tell by the timing of this reply, I just can't imagine being able to answer questions in real time for a continuous 7 days, anytime soon. I don't have the "need for the tools" currently; what a silly concept though! And, I am happy with what I can do; there's already much more I want to do that I can't find the time for. NPP backlog is growing; CCI backlog is as big as ever; and they're already starting to talk about another drive for AFC; there's dozens of UPE articles to clean up in just my watchlist; important articles like Acid attacks in Nepal, Ancient history of Nepal, Medieval history of Nepal, [I think you get where this is going] are redlinked. Articles I've already created like MCC in Nepal, COVID-19 pandemic in Nepal and 2004 Beni attack, not to mention the more than 150 stubs I have created so far, need more attention. Do anything at all and I can't find time to visit the Teahouse.

I don't think UPE editors can sink an RFA but I do believe UPE-fighters are likely to have a harder time. Most of Wikipedia has no idea how taxing it can be; how hard to continue to smile when you see UPE editors every article you click, to AGF when they lie through their teeth. Because editors don't have the idea of what it's like and how it takes a toll, they are likely to see you as being too harsh. This happens with almost all editors who are assertive and care deeply for the encyclopedia. If you check RFAs for editors who should be admins but aren't, you'll see that many failed for not going by the book when protecting the encyclopedia; I guess it's the same with admins and funcs who no longer are. There are editors who believe we should not fight UPE at all. Some would say we should just look at articles on their merits and forget about the editors; tag them for NPOV if they are promotional, and move on.

The lack of opposes could mean you've done everything right (dubious) or done nothing important (adminship-wise) at all. Right now, I feel more like the latter.

I have seen you at AFD and I think you are very strong there. TNT said you were ready, didn't they? I think that's a great endorsement of your readiness. And it seems that came out of your SPI work. So, that's already two strong areas. You should consider your weaknesses (friends have a blindspot there, and it usually only comes out at RFA, ACE etc.) and do better there for two-three months. If you do that, I think you'll pass.

I didn't know you were of Indian origin! Where in India? Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Jason J. Hogg

Why did you remove the speedy tag claiming G4 doesn't apply? Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason J. Hogg (2nd nomination) and the fact that Jason J. Hogg is protected from recreation because it has been needlessly recreated so many times. Notfrompedro (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Notfrompedro! G4 does not apply because the discussion was for the article not the draft; submitting to AFC counts as trying to improve, not circumvent deletion. But more importantly, G4 applies to articles deleted via discussion. The AFD you linked does not have a discussion; it has a speedy deletion close. The former point, I can see leaving to the judgement of an admin, but the latter is clear enough for everyone to see: that the article has never been deleted via a discussion. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Notfrompedro (talk) 12:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from M Ibrahim Rashid on Canal (04:21, 15 September 2021)

1.Adamisanartificialwaterway. true or false --M Ibrahim Rashid (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello @M Ibrahim Rashid, I am not sure I understand what you are asking. I recommend you visit the reference desk for questions unrelated to editing Wikipedia. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:09, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Mchwisha on File talk:Sandbox.svg (13:38, 15 September 2021)

Hello mentor I want to ask what happened in 1950 on South Africa --Mchwisha (talk) 13:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Mchwisha (19:14, 15 September 2021)

Hello mentor it's me again you have not responded yet please 🙏 answer me 😔 --Mchwisha (talk) 19:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I am afraid I don't understand the question, @Mchwisha. Lots of things happened in 1950 in South Africa, same as any other year, any other place. But the mentorship is for help with editing Wikipedia, nothing else. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

Hello Usedtobecool,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software.

Various awards are due to be allocated by the end of the year and barnstars are overdue. If you would like to manage this, please let us know. Indeed, if you are interested in coordinating NPR, it does not involve much time and the tasks are described here.

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Contested speedy deletion nomination

I just thought I would let you know that your speedy deletion tag for California College Republicans has been removed. I have also checked the text of the deleted article, and it's nothing likethe current version, so I don't think a CSD G4 nomination stands a chance. Whether you wish to nominate the article for deletion on other grounds is, of course, up to you. JBW (talk) 21:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you JBW, for checking, and this note. The rift in the GOP has done wonders for regional organisations' coverage in the news; so I will leave this one for regular America editors. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

You are a versatile Wikipedian :) SassyGamer483 (talk) 09:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much, SassyGamer483; I suppose I am a bit of a jack. I see you've been here a year or so; do you like it so far? Please let me know if I can help with something. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:42, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

LokiOttawa

Dear Usedtobecool I have just sent you a message through another source but here goes again. Please do not delete my late fiancé Stan Shaffer from my page just mention we were engaged. (BLP violation removed) ALL my past was stolen including any PR information, press kits from long ago, books and magazines I was in. I may never see those again along with all my other belongings which tell stories. If you go to ebay, for e.g., you will find my late fiancé's book "You Should Have Been With Me" which was a coffee table book of his career as a photographer. He wrote all his own text and I helped edit the photos. That is an accomplishment which I would like as an update. He died before seeing it. I am in it and it enlightens people to a slice of my past including my friendship as Andy Warhol's muse. Should I do an interview with an accredited journalist as someone suggested? I want send a "resume" telling my life as only I can with correct timelines. The info can be verified by your editors who are much more savvy than me on computers. During my time in Paris with legendary [yes the word is often used for him in the press so another addition] photographer Lartigue he introduced me to Yves St.Laurent and I was his muse for a summer. Lartigue has many books by him or about him. I worked on so many other projects that I need to rectify the page. Go to Louise Robey music and you will find "Anthology part one 1979-2009" sold on Amazon. I am proud of that and part two out soon. I have written to T.V. shows in preproduction. My son is James Beauclerck,Lord Baron Vere and will be the Duke of St.Albans succeeding his father and grandfather. All this I would like included and it is easily verifiable. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by LokiOttawa (talk • contribs) 11:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, LokiOttawa, and apologies for the delay; I could not find time yesterday. I assume the other "source" you mention is the Wikipedia help desk. I can only be contacted via one email outside of Wikipedia and I have not received any mails from you. If anybody has contacted you claiming to be me, that is not me. Accounts on other websites with the same username are not me.

First of all, please do not make unsourced criminal accusations against living persons anywhere on Wikipedia, as it violates the site's policy on writing about living people (WP:BLP). These names and their relations mean nothing to me, but it stands to reason that they would, to some people somewhere, especially if Robey has a sister. You see, you are just a username on the internet. The assumption that you are being truthful about being Robey only takes us so far. How am I to know you are not one of the persons trying to harm Louise Robey by pretending to be her? In essence, I have no way of knowing what you are saying is true at all. You say Shaffer was only Robey's fiance, but we had another editor sometime ago claiming to be Robey's husband[2]. I have no more reason to believe you than I have, that editor. And that editor's claim is at least backed up by one source,[3] however flawed. If you really are Robey, I hope you'll understand that my skepticism is out of a desire to protect you and others around you.

It's easy to take out poorly sourced material from a biography of a living person, but it is much harder to add it. Wikipedia exists not for your service, but the service of the readers. Readers come here not to know what the subjects would like to say about themselves (that's what personal websites are for), but to read what people unconnected with the subject have to objectively say about them. This means, Wikipedia articles will only say what can be verified (see WP:V) from reliable, independent, secondary sources. Interviews, if you were to get them published in recognised sources, would be usable for some claims but not all (see WP:BLPSELFPUB). With regard to being someone's muse, someone's close friend or being a part of many creative works, all of those achievements are only as good as the value secondary reliable sources place on them, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. It is not enough that you help created an impressive work, it has to be called impressive by a secondary source and secondary sources have to write about your role in it. And it could be that they have written about you. In that case, in time, editors with access to all those sources will come and expand the article; there's just no telling when that will be. Your best bet may be to go to the nearest largest library and dig for newspaper archives from when you are likely to have been written about. A paid editor will do no better than you on Wikipedia without those sources; and in my 2+ years here, I have never seen a paid editor help their cause by bringing sources that aren't readily available to us volunteers.

Ipigott (for your expertise in writing about women; and a Canadian for a time?), LorriBrown (for being a Canadian who writes about women and artists and has experience being on the side of an article subject (hope you still watch-out for pings)) and Possibly (for being a Canadian who writes about artists and works with WP:COI issues in Wikipedia articles), I am pinging you in case any of you is familiar with the subject, and will have something to add here. Please invest your efforts, if any, with the history of the article in mind. It appears editors claiming to be close to the subject have tried to edit the article for more than a decade, and expressed concerns like this (not sure whether to consider it an attempt to prevent harm to a WP:BLP career or an attempt to promote contra WP:PROMO?)

Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging me, I fully agree with the approach you outline above but have no special insights into the background in question.--Ipigott (talk) 09:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about draft article

Hello admin, I am Wikipedia Contributor from Nepal. You left the comment on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sushma_Adhikari. According to Your Suggestion I try to correction it. I request to you for review this draft article.Endrabcwizart (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Endrabcwizart, I don't usually like to review drafts more than once; more eyes are always better when it comes to content decisions. I'll revisit if it remains unreviewed for a month or two; it's only be 4 days. What's your interest in this article? Last I checked someone else was working on this. The award claim seems to use a fake ref, by the way. That's not helping an article with the history that this one has. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

P.S. not an admin. In this case, I am an AFC reviewer, but username is fine. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I spend more then two hour in Wikipedia daily. I try to contribute / publish articles written by others but which cannot be published .Wikipedia is a trusted article / organization or whatever. I have no any purpose publishing the article, I have interest . I am also preparing the content of other articles and I will publish it after some time. If any of the articles I have contributed has been rejected by the last minute, I will not be harmed except for wasting time. If approved, the value of the article is increased.

The last reviewer in this article is you so requested you for review . I made the change in this article. If you are not going to review this article, I again request for feedback for this article. If you rejected my request this time , I will not write any more in your talk page next time. Thank You Endrabcwizart (talk) 10:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay @Endrabcwizart! My advice to new editors is to not attempt substantial writings about living people and active companies and products until they have gained experience doing other things. One exception to that could be living people who objectively meet one of the criteria at WP:NPEOPLE, where all you have to do is write down the claim and cite a reliable source, and the article would be accepted and be safe from deletion for the foreseeable future. This draft is a particularly bad choice because of the history of disruption and promotion that it has. I would prefer that no more time was wasted on this topic, mine or any other good faith editor's. That is why I asked, but as you say, your efforts are yours to give to what you will. In a nutshell, the problem with this draft is that the subject does not meet any of the objective criteria, like having substantial roles in more than one film that we have articles on, or winning an award that we know is notable. That means we need coverage, and we need coverage that basically convinces the reader that the subject is worthy of note regardless. Such coverage needs to come from recognised and reputable reliable sources. Ratopati is not acceptable at all. OnlineKhabar is somewhat reliable but does not have the reputation to count toward notability. News24 is a television's website. I don't know how seriously it takes its journalism. So, Nagarik is the only recognised/reputed news source there. What it has is a short preamble for its photo feature; still there's some usable WP:SIGCOV. But what's there isn't in the draft. How about writing in the draft what the source says? Instead of making vague and uninformative claims like "numerous" this and "several" that, follow the source. Write how many music videos, how many films, and name them when the sources do. WP:WTW may help. WP:WBA too. I reckon you'll still need at least one, preferably two more definitive WP:SIGCOV from definitive WP:RSes though. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank You for response me, and I really Appreciate with you. You Clear my all doubt Endrabcwizart (talk) 14:03, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Aliyah Sofia gumede on Lay Me Down (Sam Smith song) (17:23, 27 September 2021)

This is my account or I hecked it? --Aliyah Sofia gumede (talk) 17:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aliyah Sofia gumede, not sure I understand. You'll have to help me. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from GunnarClovis (18:15, 28 September 2021)

Howdy! I just wrote my first article and was wondering if you think there are any significant ways it could be improved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Galaxy_Gaming

I spent over 12+ total hours grinding on it, tumbling down this endless rabbit-hole of research... I live in Las Vegas, and noticed that a lot of our local history particularly in regards to gaming companies and important figures (mostly inventors) was not currently represented on Wikipedia, so I wanted to test the waters with this first article. If it works out, I'll likely follow-up on a few more similar milestone Vegas corporations not currently catalogued on Wikipedia, and some of the notable inventors in the industry, particularly those that have passed... and likely an article(s) on the Mars Hotel & Casino and Robert B. Saucier, as the history there is just so fascinating, really interesting to research.

For reference, I mostly imitated the article structure of the preexisting pages on gambling corporations that do exist, such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bally_Technologies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Entertainment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocrat_Leisure

I tried to be very fair in balancing the focus of the article, highlighting Galaxy's well-known accomplishments and major milestones, as well as the controversy regarding their founder, which I think evens out to be fairly neutral. Please let me know your thoughts and if it could be improved at all. Thanks! --GunnarClovis (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello @GunnarClovis, sorry for the delay. I would advise new editors against writing anything substantial about living people and active companies and products before they've gained more experience doing other things on Wikipedia. If that is all you are interested in doing, I will not be able to help beyond cursory looks and quick feedbacks, which in this case would be:

There is a lot of crap on Wikipedia. So, if you want to learn about best practices, you will have to seek out good or featured articles to model your articles after (you can find them starting at Category:GA-Class company articles and Category:FA-Class company articles). As for your draft, I think the "Today" subsection is best removed. CEO and founder may find a place in the article somewhere; other namedrops will be seen as promotion. The article is too big, in that it has become too big by citing too many pages from galaxygaming.com. Cut down to what can be supported by reliable secondary independent sources, and it may have a chance. Primary sources are sometimes usable for mundane details, but spam like "Galaxy Gaming| Prime Membership" and "Galaxy Gaming| 7 Reasons to Go Prime" are unacceptable links to add anywhere on Wikipedia. In fact, the whole "Prime Membership" section is original research using primary sources, and promotional spam.

Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply! I've been consistently editing existing articles across Wikipedia as I see instances of non-neutral language, copyediting errors, and other obvious mistakes I feel I can remedy, and I'll continue to do that indefinitely, but my main interest is in creating new articles on companies and topics I see underrepresented right now, but I do want them to conform to Wikipedia's standards as best I can manage.

I wrote the Today section directly based on the same from the Bally Technologies company page, an equivalent gaming company, and tried to model the company History similarly based on this and the other pages I linked above. However, I've removed the Today and Prime Membership sections from the Galaxy Gaming page as recommended, and I'll go through the article to prune primary sources as you say. Would you recommend I remove the Today section and similar information from the live Bally Technologies page and other equivalent company pages for the same reason? --GunnarClovis (talk) 21:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@GunnarClovis, in my opinion, CEO and founder/s are always WP:DUE, maybe even the chairman of the board. But I see no justification for including any more people, especially when they don't have their own Wikipedia articles. But you should not remove them just because I said so. You should make edits only if you are convinced that's the right thing to do and can take responsibility for them. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Your Proposal

I think Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers#A second board is a brilliant proposal. I’m a little bit scatter brained & I'm not entirely sure I understand completely what my tutor @Barkeep49 was trying to say. But in any case I thought, and still think it’s a brilliant idea. Celestina007 (talk) 20:37, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 my thinking is that getting enough people to watchlist a page for it to function is hard. So a new board would have a challenge with that. There is also a bit of "activity causes more activity". Since people are regularly visiting the NPR talk page they think about it when they run into a problem and know they might get help. If attention is split then maybe total activity goes down. I hope that explains it better. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Barkeep49, theoretically Usedtbecool's proposal is genius but yes, now I understand your rationale and see why practically it may be arduous to implement (or, not necessary at all) in any case i thought it was a very brilliant idea. Celestina007 (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Celestina007! I do not share @Barkeep49's concern. Even if one does, I don't think we should decide what will happen without trying. There is close to zero cost to trying and we do need to try something to try and get more from hundreds of people who request the perm thinking they would be able to contribute but end up not doing much. If it doesn't work out, there's always {{historical}}. More at WT:NPPR#A second board. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I indeed do share your sentiments, i for one, thought it wise. Celestina007 (talk) 23:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Olugold on User:Olugold (01:49, 1 October 2021)

Hello. Please can you help me with details of how I can create an article on a mainspace? Thank you. --Olugold (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Olugold, sorry about the delay. I recommend you read WP:YFA and use the form there to create a draft so you get some time to develop your article before it's ready for mainspace. It also gives you the option of creating it directly to mainspace if you are autoconfirmed, but I would advise against it unless you already know what it takes to create an acceptable article. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Olugold on User talk:Olugold (05:17, 2 October 2021)

Hello. If an author permits me to use an image for free, can I add it on Commons as the author's image? Can I use such images on other sister wiki projects? Olugold (talk) 05:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Olugold, I think the author would need to provide permission publicly, or formally. Please see if WP:DCM has what you need. If you are still confused, WP:MCQ is a better place to ask questions about images and copyright. I think Commons only hosts images which can be used freely anywhere you want, so the answer to that one would be yes. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:09, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your Swift response.Olugold (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Olugold (21:24, 2 October 2021)

Hello, please can you go through this article and check if it is okay for submission. Do not hesitate to indicated those areas you would want me to work on. Thank you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Luchi_Donalds&create=Create+new+article+draft#Films --Olugold (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you also show me how I will change the draft name/article title from 'Luchi Donald' to 'Luchy Donalds' Thank you. Olugold (talk) 21:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Olugold, debut awards are not enough for notability and none of the films have Wikipedia articles, so you'll need WP:SIGCOV, at least WP:THREE. You've mentioned twice in that short draft that she's acted opposite notabile stars. That is completely unnecessary, as notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. The education section adds to the impression that you are connected to the subject. If so, you should declare your WP:COI. Regardless, cut down on useless promotion like "a lover of education". She joined university to "acquire more knowledge"? What else do people join universities to do?

My advice to new editors is to not attempt substantial works on living people and active companies and products until they've gained more experience. If you must write about living people, you need to read WP:BLP about 10 times and WP:COI twice. When you add uncited material to living people biographies, you violate the BLP policy and give a strong impression that you have connections with the subject you are not being forthcoming about. I see a lot of uncited information in this short BLP.

You change the article's title by WP:MOVING it. I would advise you to submit the draft to WP:AFC and leave a note on the talk page about the correct title. The reviewer will move it to the correct title when they accept it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for this comprehensive explanation. I'll go through all the attached links carefully. I'd rather delete since it does not meet up with Wikipedia standards. I do not have any connection with the subject (this subject is not on the redlist though). I'm only writing because of the Afrocine contest. Perhaps I will select another subject from the Afrocine Contest redlist. Hope it's okay to select a subject from the redlist. Olugold (talk) 08:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Olugold, appearing in any redlist is no guarantee of notability. I am not saying the current topic is not notable. I am saying that it will need to have at least three sources with in-depth coverage (I haven't checked any in the draft). If she has been in so many movies opposite so many notable stars, she's probably notable, but you still have to show it. It is not easy to do with subjects from Asia and Africa. So, it's a challenge for a new editor if you want to take it. My advice is to start a draft only once you've collected reliable sources that show that the topic is notable. If you want to write about actors, and if you can't yet tell which sources will meet WP:SIGCOV, I suggest you choose people who have had lead roles in 2/3 films which already have their own articles or who have won major awards (best actor, best actress, best director, etc. in whichever is the top film award in the country; the award should already have an article too). An actor needs to meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I just looked at the sources, @Olugold. I don't know what kind of source Opera is. Vanguard AFAIK is reliable and it has some WP:SIGCOV, so I would say you are close. You should try and find other sources; they don't need to be in English. You have so many films in the list! Don't any of them have their own articles here? Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I'll check the list again, to see if some of them have articles here. I'd still get back to you on this. Thank you again. Olugold (talk) 09:08, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

AFD

Hi @Usedtobecool:, Can you tell me some quick tips for tagging any articles for AFD. I have already read the policiy for AFD and PROD. Thank you ! Fade258 (talk) 08:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Fade258! I would suggest you subscribe to deletion sorting lists on topics you are interested in and only nominate articles belonging to those areas where you are sure you have it figured out. Start with WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Nepal and WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cricket, for example. Your first step should be to consider whether the topic is/looks/feels important. If the topic looks important, you should leave it alone while you are inexperienced, because important-looking things often are notable. Past that, you need to consider WP:GNG and all of the WP:SNGs that may apply to the article. You then look for claims in the article that may meet any of the SNGs, and look at the references to see if they contain claims that would meet an SNG, and failing that, whether there's enough for WP:GNG. If you still find nothing, you should do an online search. Google, google news, google books and google scholar at least, depending on the topic. Most topics are only found in google and google news. Many topics are found only in google books and/or scholar. Read the article again and think about which languages the subject is likely to be written about. And try to search in those languages; use google translate on the results to see if there is anything that looks Wikipedia-usable. Also consider the claims of notability/significance made in the article and if they seem credible, try to evaluate, per WP:NEXIST, whether sources may be offline or in obscure corners of the internet that you might have missed or about to be imminently written if they don't even exist at the moment. If all of that doesn't yield enough to convince you that the topic may be notable, you may nominate it for deletion. But mainly, just watch the AFD lists and see what kind of articles get deleted and what survives.

Hope this helps some! You should know that there's a lot that's unwritten and could not be written here that decides outcomes in AFDs other than the notability guidelines and the deletion policy. So, it's best to unwatch the page and forget about it if an AFD starts getting out of hand and you begin to feel frustrated, angry or attacked. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:18, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. on the left side-bar, articles have links to the same article in other Wikipedias. If there are multiple such articles available, you should check them to see if they have sources. Even if they don't, you should check who wrote those articles. If they were written over a long period of time by different editors of various levels of experience, the topic is likely to be notable. I think you can guess what kind of signs would indicate that the topic is spam. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool:, Thank you ! I will consider those words which you had mentioned. Fade258 (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Please do not hesitate to reach out if you have follow-ups. It may be more helpful to discuss specific cases, as you come across them, than generalities. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

How To See Articles Marked As Patrolled

Is there a script or tool that makes me see the list of articles marked as reviewed by a particular editor with NPR rights? Using the logs is a tad bit slow. @Primefac and yourself were kind enough to show me the one for AFC & I’m wondering is there any of such for NPP? @Blablubbs care to help me out also? Celestina007 (talk) 14:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, I use the Page curation log; I don't know of anything else that's faster. I think the scripts pull data from the logs, so they can not be faster. Short of having a bot create WP: pages for each user's list of patrols and updating them regularly, I doubt there can be a list that loads faster than the logs. I don't know of any script that adds link to the page curation log; there are many scripts that add links to all logs or some other specific logs, but not curation logs. Though, it may be possible to add one to m:MoreMenu; you'd have to ask code-minded editors to write the custom code to do that for you. Primefac is one. Novem Linguae likely can too; NL might also write a custom script if you can explain exactly what you want it to do; they have said as much as WT:NPPR#NPP scripts. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

It’s okay, I believe I’d continue to use the logs, they do the job just fine. Thanks my friend from across the globe. Furthermore thanks for always being there for me. Celestina007 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not going to be much help here, sorry; I'm not very involved with NPR these days. Primefac (talk) 09:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC)≤

Primefac, thanks for the response, using the patrol logs works fine, slow, but yes it does the job. Stay safe Primefac. Celestina007 (talk) 10:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Attach Image

Hi Usedtobecool, I am writing an article on a film Love castle. I want to attach the film banner/poster to the infobox. How do I sort out the permission on commons so that the image won't be nominated for speedy deletion? Thank you. Olugold (talk) 14:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

That's a new film, @Olugold; the poster will be copyrighted. So, it can not be uploaded to Commons which only hosts free media. I think film posters can be uploaded to Wikipedia under WP:FAIRUSE. See File:Once Upon a Time in Hollywood poster.png for example. I don't think fairuse content can be added outside of mainspace. So, you'll probably need to wait until the article is in mainspace to upload the poster. Having never done it myself, I can not guide you from experience. If you go to WP:MCQ and search in its archives, you should find answers on how to do it. Or you could just ask a new question there. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:28, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

You may be able to do it properly using WP:FUW, by consulting the example of the poster I mentioned above. Be sure to read WP:FAIRUSE first though; and only do it after the article is in mainspace. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this information. I'll do as you have suggested. Olugold (talk) 16:20, 12 October 2021 (UTC)