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== Selected Jew ==

Does anyone care to explain to me why Noam Chomsky -- who isn't even a practicing Jew (and who's said some particularly nasty things about Judaism) -- is the "Selected Jew"? The Christianity portal has St. Paul as the Selected Christian. Why in God's name do we have Chomsky instead of, say, Maimonides?

--[[User:Benl47|Benl47]] 18:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it's ploy until we play our trump cards &mdash; Abraham and Jeshua ben Joseph. -- [[User:BrownBean|BrownBean]] 19:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)



hahaha I think I'm going to go ahead and change this.

--[[User:Benl47|Benl47]] 19:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:Many people will appreciate your move. -- [[User:BrownBean|BrownBean]] 20:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)



== Putting the columns together ==

Hi: Please could someone who is technically savvy take a look at [[Portal:Israel]] and see how that portal was edited so that all the "boxes" fit here together on this page rather than pushing each other aside and even off the page. Thank you. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 11:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
*Hmm, seems that now it works, maybe it just needs watching... [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 11:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Template ==

For anyone who would like to post it on their userpage.
Check out {{[[Template:Torah portion]]}}.
Thanks to the maker(s) of this portal for all the content.
:<small>[[User talk:Bte288|t]]</small><span style="color: gray;">-[[User:Bte288|bte288]]-</span><small>[[Special:Contributions/Bte288|c]]</small> 21:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Question about this portal ==

For some odd reason, the following was posted at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Portal:Judaism update|WikiProject Judaism]] by User:deeptrivia: "Hi all. I hope you know about [[Portal:Judaism]]. It is being discussed whether the portal should be deleted because it doesn't satisfy certain requirements, because not much work has been done on it. Please see the discussion [[User:JuanMuslim#Religion_portals|here]]. I request you to please contribute and make the portal survive. Thanks. [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 04:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)" and this was my response:
"*deeptrivia: Your "warning" is not well-timed, because a few of us have recently added and updated [[Portal:Judaism]], which is doing great. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 04:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)" to which deeptrivia then said: "great! [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 04:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)"

== Request page ==

Is there any request or expansion page at the Judaism portal, prject page? Can I make [[Portal:Judaism/Requested articles]], or [[Portal:Judaism/Requests for expansion]]?
:see also [[WikiProject talk:Judaism]]
:: -- ([[:User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg|Sheynhertz]]) 00:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

== Torah commentary link ==

I added a link to the Torah portion page, but it doesn't seem to show up on the main portal page. What did I do wrong? [[User:Benami|Benami]] 23:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Never mind - it's there now. [[User:Benami|Benami]] 03:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I find the distinguishing of Chabad from Orthodox Judaism to be offensive. If you want to make different streams within Orthodoxy, that is one thing. To place Chabad outside of Orthodoxy shows a POV bias. 08:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Protocols of the Elders of Zion|Protocols of the Elder of Zion FAC]] ==

I nominated Protocols of the Elders of Zion for FAC status -- please [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Protocols of the Elders of Zion|chime in]]. --[[User:Goodoldpolonius2|Goodoldpolonius2]] 18:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

== Question: how to join ==

How can I join the portal?  [[User:Elizabeth M Ross|elizmr]] 19:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

== Question: additional Conservative commentaries? ==

Is it feasible to add links to [http://www.jtsa.edu/community/parashah/archives/index.shtml#exo  JTS] in addition to UJ in the Torah portion box? [[User:Joaquin Murietta|Joaquin Murietta]] 05:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

== [[Jose]] ==

There are tons of Tanaim and Amoraim who share this name, and few if any have articles... help out if you can! --[[User:Briangotts|Briangotts]] [[User talk:Briangotts|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Briangotts|(Contrib)]] 21:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

== JE citations ==

I've been working on converting a lot of Jewish Encyclopedia articles to Wikipedia and I've developed what I think is a good citation format for the reference section that incorporates both the JE article itself and the sources for that article. For example:

*[http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=73&letter=O&search=Onias Gottheil, Richard and Samuel Krauss. "Onias."] ''[[Jewish Encyclopedia]]''. Funk and Wagnalls, 1901-1906, which cites to the following ibliography: 
:*H. P. Chajes, ''Beiträge zur Nordsemitischen Onomatologie'', p. 23, Vienna, 1900 (on the name);
:*Herzfeld, ''Gesch. des Volkes Jisrael,'' i. 185-189, 201-206;
:*[[Heinrich Grätz|Grätz]], ''Gesch''. 2d ed., ii. 236;
:*Schürer, ''Gesch''. 3d ed., i. 182, 194-196; iii. 97-100;
:*Niese, in ''Hermes'', xxxv. 509;
:*Wellhausen, I. J. G. 4th ed., p. 248, Berlin, 1901;
:*Willrich, ''Juden und Griechen vor der Makkabäischen Erhebung,'' pp. 77, 109, Göttingen, 1895;
:*A. Büchler, ''Die Tobiaden und die Oniaden,'' pp. 166, 240, 275, 353, Vienna, 1899;
:*J. P. Mahaffy, ''The Empire of the Ptolemies,'' pp. 217, 353, London, 1895;
:*Gelzer, ''Sextus Julius Africanus,'' ii. 170-176, Leipsic, 1885;
:*Weiss, ''Dor,'' i. 130 (on the halakic view of the temple of Onias).

My reasoning is that if you're going to take a public domain article wholesale from some source you should identify the sources cited in that article (saying "this article came from JE" when the article is a verbatim repetition of the JE text doesn't seem very helpful).

I'd like to try and get this accepted as a standard, but obviously not without some consensus on the issue. Does anyone have any thoughts on the issue? [[User:Briangotts|Briangotts]] [[User talk:Briangotts|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Briangotts|(Contrib)]] 12:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

== {{tl|Torah portion}} moved to [[Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion box]] ==

As the heading says, I moved {{tl|Torah portion}} to [[Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion box]]. Reasoning:
* The template just transcludes content from [[Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion]].
* The template should not be used in article space for a variety of reasons (it's constantly changing, it's unlikely to be directly relevant, etc). It belongs primarily within this Portal and on user pages.

The name is up for grabs. I haven't snapped links yet, so feel free to move it to a more suitable name if you feel it's necessary. If not, tel me and I'll start fixing the links in preparation for getting rid of the old name. [[User:Zetawoof|Zetawoof]]<sup>([[User_talk:Zetawoof|&zeta;]])</sup> 03:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== Jewish-American businesspeople category removed ==

The "Jewish-American businesspeople" category was removed as were other ethnic groupings for business people. Comments welcome at the discussion page for undeletion.
[[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_14#Category:Jewish-American_businesspeople_changed_to_Category:American_businesspeople]]
--[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 23:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

== Request info ==

I am working on the [[purgatory]] article, which includes the views of different faiths concerning purification of the soul after death and the efficacy of prayers for the dead.  It has a section on "Judaism's view", but it is unsourced and I have no idea if the information is reliable or not.  If anyone here would like to contribute, or simply point me to resources, that would be most appreciated. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 09:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Brandnew: [[Reichsbund jüdischer Frontsoldaten]] [[User:Byzanz|Byzanz]]

== [[Jerusalem]] [[WP:FAC|FAC]] ==

Jerusalem is [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jerusalem/archive1|featured article candidate]] now. Please comment there. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 08:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Jewish history in Medina and the Constitution of Medina ==

i don't quite know how to register[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AConstitution_of_Medina&diff=140771877&oldid=133741528] this, but i think we should put some focus into placing some "historical medina" perspective into the current articles of [[Medina]] and [[Constitution of Medina]]. [[User:Jaakobou|Jaakobou]] 17:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ten Commandments]] article ==

The article makes little mention of the Jewish view except in the Jewish section. The summary should make mention in Hebrew they are called the 10 sayings and actually are made up of 13 commandments. Also the table is extremely misleading as it confuses our counting of the statements with the numbering of commandments. I haven't read of the Jewish section so I am not sure if it isn't problemantic. [[User:203.206.234.139|203.206.234.139]] 18:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

== [[Judaism]] vs. [[Jewish history]] ==

I'm not sure what's the difference?
:Can anyone offer an explanation?
vs. 

:[[Yours truly]], --[[User:Ludvikus|Ludvikus]] 21:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ludvikus: You should ask this at [[WP:JUDAISM]]. Thank you, [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 07:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Anti-Semitism in 19th century England ==

Sorry if this is not the correct place to leave this, I could not find your noticeboard. I would be grateful if  someone who knows more about these things than I take a look here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Primrose%2C_Countess_of_Rosebery#Anti-semitism] Where someone is arguing there was no anti-Semitism in 19th century Britain.  As I understood and have read so much about the anti-Semitism of the time I believed this to be an accepted fact. I have given references to its existence in the article but I think the editor concerned would prefer to be told by someone more knowledgable than me. Thanks. [[User: Giano|Giano]]  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.138.153.38|86.138.153.38]] ([[User talk:86.138.153.38|talk]]) 15:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*The place to ask is at [[WP:JUDAISM]]. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 07:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Nonsense alien articles ==

I've been researching certain Torah names on wikipedia, but I've found quite a bit of junk about references to aliens. As most Jews and Christians do not believe the Torah refers to aliens, ever this gives the articles a seriously loopsided content. Examples include: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroz]. [[Special:Contributions/213.107.18.62|213.107.18.62]] ([[User talk:213.107.18.62|talk]]) 12:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
*Take it up at [[WP:JUDAISM]]. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 07:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Need Guidance on a Monster I set loose ==

I've created a monster, unintentionally, and I need some more experienced guidance to straighten it out:

Some time ago I created a comparison Glossary of Christian, Jewish, and Messianic terms.  The idea was to show the normative terms, and the Messianic switched terms (Jewish terms with Christian meanings) side by side.  In the beginning it also had a disambiguation column to suggest a non-confusing term for Wikipedia editors.

Well, it was a table and each religious POV was clearly distinct.

After the first AfD it lost the disambiguation column.  So far, not great, but not horrific either.

After the second AfD it lost the Messianic column – AND the tabular structure.

Just losing the Messianic column would have been… not great, but not horrific.

Now, however, the Jewish and Christian terms are mashed together into a single list: [[Glossary of Jewish and Christian terms]].

I don’t wish any editors ill will here.  The problem is an artifact of my initial creation, so I’ll take the blame for it.  But now I need help figuring out how to fix it.  I’ve tried to communicate this to the other editors, and apparently do not know how to communicate this point:

Having a single Glossary of Jewish and Christian terms together really swallows Judaism up into Christianity.  The mish mash becomes Messianic if anything else.

I feel like I’ve created a problem, and I feel responsible.  The Glossary really needs to be split into two glossaries, if kept at all this way.  Can anyone offer me any suggestions?  I'm willing to be told I'm wrong about my concern here.

Thanks.[[User:Teclontz|Tim]] ([[User talk:Teclontz|talk]]) 16:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Judaism?? ==

Can anyone explain me why does this portal include only holydays and nothing else, not even about Judaism itself. [[User:Shemaya|Shemaya]] ([[User talk:Shemaya|talk]]) 17:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with Shemaya. Immediately below the template about all the religion portals, there should be an explanation about what is Judaism instead of what is Passover. If no one discusses this or changes the portal page, I will change the portal page myself, even though I am not a member. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman">[[User:Idontknow610|<span style="color:blue">Idontknow</span>]][[User talk:Idontknow610|<span style="color:yellow">610</span>]]<sup><small>[[User:Idontknow610/Signingpage|<span style="color:yellow">TM</span>]]</small></sup></span> 20:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== BC/BCE ==

Hello. Sorry to bother you, but is anyone interested in stating their opinions as Jews on the use of BC/AD and BCE/CE for a discussion on the subject [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style#BC/BCE|'''here''']]? Thanks -- [[User:Doktorspin|<b><span style="color:#20406F">spin</span></b>]][[User talk:Doktorspin|<sup>control</sup>]] 20:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== FAC for [[Temple Sinai (Oakland, California)]] ==

[[Temple Sinai (Oakland, California)]] is currently a Featured Article Candidate. Comments, suggestions, improvements, welcome. The discussion is '''[[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Temple Sinai (Oakland, California)/archive1|here]]'''. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<span style="color:DarkGreen">(talk)</span>]]</small></sup> 22:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

== Adding Links ==

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to understand how Wikipedia works, without disrupting anything or stepping on any one’s toes.  My revisions on several pages have been removed and I am confused by these edits because I was not trying to self promote with my additions.  Rather, I was adding a link to the Jewish Publication Society (JPS), the oldest Jewish publishing company in the United States and the authoritative English translation of the Jewish Bible.  JPS has created a product called the Tagged Tanakh, which contains an online version of its most recent Bible translation.  

You removed my links to the Tagged Tanakh, but Mechon Mamre, Bible Gateway, and the University of Michigan all have links in similar formats on Wikiperida pages related to the Bible.  Please explain to me why these organizations are allowed to post and I am not.  Additionally, I find it a little bothersome that Christian versions of the Bible (ie Bible Gateway and University of Michigan) are adding links to Jewish Wikipedia pages such as Torah and the Book of Genesis.  Please advise me on the next step that I should take. Thank you, and I Look forward to hearing from you soon. [[User:Rrstern25|Rrstern25]] ([[User talk:Rrstern25|talk]]) 13:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
== The pictures in the portal ==

I don't think that it's okay to put in a Judhism portal (as well as any anoter article about Judhism) pictures wich aren't following the Tzniut (a '''jewish''' term) rules.[[User:עברית|עברית]] ([[User talk:עברית|talk]]) 10:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
== Self-imposed changes deadlines ==

The featured picture, article, quote, and the "did you know..." section should be changed on or around the following days to insure readers see new information:

*January 15, 2012
*February 25, 2012
*April 1, 2012
*May 5, 2012
*etc.


There are probably 0 readers of this. [[User:Chesdovi|Chesdovi]] ([[User talk:Chesdovi|talk]]) 14:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

:I know, the dates are really for me. Since nobody has really done anything to the portal in a long time (not including your recent edits) I kind of started to take charge. Sorry if that wasn't the most eloquent thing to do, cheers, [[User:Magister Scienta|<span style="color:#4682B4">Magister Scienta</span>]][[User talk:Magister Scienta|<sup><span style="color:#228B22">talk</span></sup>]] 15:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
::No, its good, but doubt its in much demand. [[User:Chesdovi|Chesdovi]] ([[User talk:Chesdovi|talk]]) 15:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
== Apt image ==

Why is the image Tu Bishvat, 5 months away? It is now hannukah season, a more apt image pehaps? [[User:Chesdovi|Chesdovi]] ([[User talk:Chesdovi|talk]]) 10:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:I know, I realized the image of the Menorah might not be properly licensed, since it's my hope to make this a Featured Portal I scrambled to get an excellent image with appropriate copyright status. Cheers, [[User:Magister Scienta|<span style="color:#4682B4">Magister Scienta</span>]][[User talk:Magister Scienta|<sup><span style="color:#228B22">talk</span></sup>]] 15:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

:Good call with the image you choose, just to let you know I tweaked the caption a little. [[User:Magister Scienta|<span style="color:#4682B4">Magister Scienta</span>]][[User talk:Magister Scienta|<sup><span style="color:#228B22">talk</span></sup>]] 18:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
== Weekly Torah portion ==

There are a few problems with this section:
* ''Way'' too long. I think we should have just a paragraph or two of summary, followed by the following: ''For more information, [[Vayeshev|read the complete article here]].''
* The line beginning "The weekly portion..." is an unruly mixture of blue and green. Unless it has some deep significance (Herod's renovation of the Second Temple?) I think it should be one solid color.
* The list of commentaries is quite long. I think it should be placed into two left-aligned columns to save space.

;A few other concerns
* Perhaps I'm alone in this, but having an Infobox for the '''Did you know?''' section seems a little unexciting. Infoboxes are long lists of information that can be useful if someone's looking for it, but otherwise very dry. A '''Did you know''' section should be engaging. Thoughts?
* <s>What exactly are the criteria for the "Featured article" section? The current one (Trembling before God) isn't even in the WikiProject! I think the only articles to be included should be those rated [[:Category:FA-Class Judaism articles|FA]], [[:Category:A-Class Judaism articles|A]], or [[:Category:GA-Class Judaism articles|GA]], '''and''' which are part of [[WP:WikiProject Judaism]].</s>

I would like some feedback, but otherwise I guess I'll just [[WP:be bold]] and change some stuff myself.[[User:Ypnypn|ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 16:18, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
:I tend to agree that some sort of regularly rotating DYK section, maybe with only a few short summary statements relating to individual articles of specific high importance to the topic, might be the best way to go. It would also be one way to help include in some way some of the articles of significant importance to the topic but not currently at a particularly high level of quality in the portal in some way. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
== News ==

I added a News section at [[Portal:Judaism/News]]. It would be great if we could agree on some guidelines as to what qualifies as newsworthy, how many items to include at a time, and so on. [[User:Ypnypn|ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 16:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
== Request for Comment ==

This portal currently includes a section providing a summary of the weekly Torah portion read in synagogues. As is, this section currently takes up a large amount of space, and may not be interesting to all readers.

*'''Option 1:''' Keep as is.
*'''Option 2:''' Abridge greatly.
*'''Option 3:''' Eliminate.
*'''Option 4:''' Create a separate subpage of the portal, and move the material there

04:21, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Option 1'''.  I don't think the space issue is that overwhelming a problem; it's a nice touch to the portal, IMO.  [[User:DCI2026|<span style="color:Cyan; font-family:Verdana">'''dci'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:DCI2026|<span style="color:purple; font-family:Times New Roman"> TALK </span>]]  01:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Option 1'''.  Its an excellent aspect of the portal and the links below are highly useful. Keep.[[User:Whiteguru|Whiteguru]] ([[User talk:Whiteguru|talk]]) 18:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I would have to say that so far as I can see the section is a clear and obvious impediment to the portal ever achieving Featured Portal status. Frankly, based on previous discussions of other portals, I have no reason to believe that this portal ever has a chance of achieving FP status with the material included in the way it is. And, of course, it is, more or less, our objective that all of our material be improved to the highest quality, which in general means promoted to Featured status. Therefore, I would have to say that keeping this section in the way it is currently included is more or less directly contrary to those objectives. The material might be acceptable for inclusion in some alternate form of the portal, but its current means of inclusion is almost certainly going to prevent the portal ever achieving wikipedia's goal of bringing it to the highest level of quality, as such things are determined with portals. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 19:12, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Option 1'''.  Torah study is fundamental to Judaim, and the Torah reading component of the portal page provides a small introduction to Judaism's weekly Torah reading tradition. And so I would keep it. -- [[User:Dauster|Dauster]] ([[User talk:Dauster|talk]]) 11:00, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Option 2'''. While I agree that the Torah portion is a valuable addition to the page, I think it would help the overall balance of the page if it were a bit shorter. [[User:Miniapolis|'''<span style="color:green">Miniapolis</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Miniapolis|''<span style="color:maroon">talk</span>'']]) 21:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Option 4''' (first choice, essentially per generalization of John Carter's comments) '''Option 1''' (second choice). Strong oppose 2 and 3. Got request from FRS. [[User:JohnChrysostom|St&nbsp;'''John&nbsp;Chrysostom''']]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:JohnChrysostom|Δόξα]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/JohnChrysostom|τω<sup>&nbsp;Θεώ</sup>]]</sub> 11:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Option 2''' -- I was one of those fighting to keep the articles on the torah portions, I'm glad we succeeded, but I think a link to them is sufficient. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

===Closing===
The tally of opinions is:
*'''Option 1''': 3
*'''Option 2''': 2
*'''Option 4''': 1
*Other comment by John Carter: 1
One way to interpret this is that no consensus has emerged, so keep Option 1, which is the status quo. Option 1 also has a plurality. Nobody else agreed with John Carter's point that the portal should strive to be of featured quality. It should be noted that the Hebrew version of the portal (see interwiki links) does not contain a long section on the weekly Torah portion, so it is not necessary; however, it does add some value, especially because it changes from week to week, thus giving some readers an incentive to return to this page from time to time. 

I agree that the Torah portion description is disproportionately long, but it is not a good use of anyone's time to shorten it. Perhaps someone can come up with readership statistics, but Portals generally get low readership, and reduing the length of the Torah portion summary would have a very low impact.

I am disclosing here that I am Jewish and I am familiar with the weekly Torah portions. However, I don't think that my personal experience colors my neutrality in closing this discussion to maintain the status quo. [[User:Chutznik|Chutznik]] ([[User talk:Chutznik|talk]]) 18:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

== Holidays ==

Continuing from the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Holidays on the Portal|discussion]] about including holidays, it seems that no-one has yet opposed to the idea. Now implementation needs to be worked out.

The three ideas I mentioned were:
#Replace the [[Star of David]] in the intro with a picture relevant to the given holiday, which will link to the article about that holiday. A caption could be added if desired.
#Have a simple banner across the very top, as shown. The date could be added. <big><div style="border:solid blue 1px; text-align:center">Today is [[Yom Kippur]].</div></big>
#Below the intro, provide a full paragraph or two explaining the holiday, similar to the Selected Article.

These were meant to be mutually exclusive; however, we can certainly do two or three of these (although it may get a little overwhelming).

We also need to determine what qualifies for a mention. Do we include [[Tu B'av]], [[Yom Kippur Katan]], [[Ta'anit Bekhorot]], and other really minor days, or do we limit to the main holidays? Also, should we include the Israeli days of [[Yom Ha'atzmaut]], [[Yom Yerushalayim]], [[Yom Hazikaron]], and [[Yom Hashoah]]?

What are your thoughts? -- [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 13:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

:Let's start off here with a couple of basics.  Right now the Portal page does feature a section on the ''Parshat Hashavua.'' When does that flip to the next week's entry?  [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 13:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
::At 2:00 Shabbat afternoon. [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 13:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:::At 2:00 Shabbat afternoon where?  UTC?  And if so, why?  Who does it?  [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 13:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
::::''Al rishon rishon''... Yes, UTC (although again, this can be easily changed). The [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portal:Judaism/Weekly_Torah_portion&action=history page history] shows that [[User:Dauster|Dauster]] seems to have designed this. [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 15:20, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::Any sense how active he is?
:::::14:00 UTC seems like an odd time to me.  In context:
::::#Shabbat is surely completely over by then throughout Australia and New Zealand.  If the issue is about editors coming back on line after Shabbat, some Australians and New Zealanders would still see the old parsha right after Shabbat, but most others would see the new parsha on returning to the web after Shabbat.
::::#By 14:00 UTC, the parsha has surely been read throughout Europe and Israel, but has mostly not been read yet in North America.
:::::It is probably worthwhile for you to try to reach out to Dauster about why he chose that time.  (I cannot commit energy to this right now.)  Perhaps he has a reason we are not aware of.[[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 16:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::Digging a little deeper, it turns out that [[User:A930913]] chose the time with [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portal:Judaism/Weekly_Torah_portion&diff=374256065&oldid=374071310 this edit]. Both users are still very active. -- [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 16:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

::::::{{replyto|StevenJ81|Ypnypn}} Because 1400 UTC is mincha {{P|:D}} (And at mincha the next parsha is leined.) So, you want a template to select per day instead of week? [[User:A930913|930913]]([[User_talk:A930913|Congratulate]]) 18:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

:Running hebcal gives me this: {{collapse|
1/12/2013 Rosh Chodesh Sh'vat<br />
1/26/2013 Tu B'Shvat<br />
2/9/2013 Shabbat Shekalim<br />
2/10/2013 Rosh Chodesh Adar<br />
2/11/2013 Rosh Chodesh Adar<br />
2/21/2013 Ta'anit Esther<br />
2/23/2013 Shabbat Zachor<br />
2/24/2013 Purim<br />
2/25/2013 Shushan Purim<br />
3/2/2013 Shabbat Parah<br />
3/9/2013 Shabbat HaChodesh<br />
3/12/2013 Rosh Chodesh Nisan<br />
3/23/2013 Shabbat HaGadol<br />
3/25/2013 Ta'anit Bechorot<br />
3/25/2013 Erev Pesach<br />
3/26/2013 Pesach I<br />
3/27/2013 Pesach II<br />
3/28/2013 Pesach III (CH"M)<br />
3/29/2013 Pesach IV (CH"M)<br />
3/30/2013 Pesach V (CH"M)<br />
3/31/2013 Pesach VI (CH"M)<br />
4/1/2013 Pesach VII<br />
4/2/2013 Pesach VIII<br />
4/7/2013 Yom HaShoah<br />
4/10/2013 Rosh Chodesh Iyyar<br />
4/11/2013 Rosh Chodesh Iyyar<br />
4/14/2013 Yom HaZikaron<br />
4/15/2013 Yom HaAtzma'ut<br />
4/28/2013 Lag B'Omer<br />
5/8/2013 Yom Yerushalayim<br />
5/10/2013 Rosh Chodesh Sivan<br />
5/14/2013 Erev Shavuot<br />
5/15/2013 Shavuot I<br />
5/16/2013 Shavuot II<br />
6/8/2013 Rosh Chodesh Tamuz<br />
6/9/2013 Rosh Chodesh Tamuz<br />
6/25/2013 Tzom Tammuz<br />
7/8/2013 Rosh Chodesh Av<br />
7/13/2013 Shabbat Hazon<br />
7/16/2013 Tish'a B'Av<br />
7/20/2013 Shabbat Nachamu<br />
8/6/2013 Rosh Chodesh Elul<br />
8/7/2013 Rosh Chodesh Elul<br />
9/4/2013 Erev Rosh Hashana<br />
9/5/2013 Rosh Hashana 5774<br />
9/6/2013 Rosh Hashana II<br />
9/7/2013 Shabbat Shuva<br />
9/8/2013 Tzom Gedaliah<br />
9/13/2013 Erev Yom Kippur<br />
9/14/2013 Yom Kippur<br />
9/18/2013 Erev Sukkot<br />
9/19/2013 Sukkot I<br />
9/20/2013 Sukkot II<br />
9/21/2013 Sukkot III (CH"M)<br />
9/22/2013 Sukkot IV (CH"M)<br />
9/23/2013 Sukkot V (CH"M)<br />
9/24/2013 Sukkot VI (CH"M)<br />
9/25/2013 Sukkot VII (Hoshana Raba)<br />
9/26/2013 Shmini Atzeret<br />
9/27/2013 Simchat Torah<br />
10/4/2013 Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan<br />
10/5/2013 Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan<br />
11/3/2013 Rosh Chodesh Kislev<br />
11/4/2013 Rosh Chodesh Kislev<br />
11/27/2013 Chanukah: 1 Candle<br />
11/28/2013 Chanukah: 2 Candles<br />
11/29/2013 Chanukah: 3 Candles<br />
11/30/2013 Chanukah: 4 Candles<br />
12/1/2013 Chanukah: 5 Candles<br />
12/2/2013 Chanukah: 6 Candles<br />
12/3/2013 Rosh Chodesh Tevet<br />
12/3/2013 Chanukah: 7 Candles<br />
12/4/2013 Rosh Chodesh Tevet<br />
12/4/2013 Chanukah: 8 Candles<br />
12/5/2013 Chanukah: 8th Day<br />
12/13/2013 Asara B'Tevet}}
:Is that independent enough? [[User:A930913|930913]]([[User_talk:A930913|Congratulate]]) 18:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it would be better to use the {{(}}{[[mw:help:extension:ParserFunctions|#time]]}} function to automatically determine the holiday, rather than rely on manual updating. -- [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 18:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Ypnypn}} How modern. Today is the {{#time: xjj \of xjF xjY}}.
:::today = <code><nowiki>{{#switch: {{#time: xjj xjF}}</nowiki></code>
:::::<code><nowiki>| 28 Sivan = [[HaYom]]</nowiki></code>
:::::<code><nowiki>| 29 Sivan = [[Yom]]</nowiki></code>
:::::<code><nowiki>| 05 Tamuz = [[Ploni]]</nowiki></code>
:::::<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>

:::todaybox = <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{today}}|<big><div style="border:solid blue 1px; text-align:center">Today is {{today}}.</div></big>|}}</nowiki></code>

:::At a quick glance, that ought to work. [[User:A930913|930913]]([[User_talk:A930913|Congratulate]]) 01:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

::::{{replyto|A930913}} That should work correctly (except that the xjj isn't zero-padded). [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 01:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|Ypnypn}} Ah, the rosh chodesh bug strikes again. {{P|tongue}} So are you going to make it, or should I, and if so, where? [[User:A930913|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#108;border-radius:4px 0 0 4px;">93</span>]][[User_talk:A930913|09]][[Special:Contributions/A930913|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#108;border-radius:0 4px 4px 0;">13</span>]] <span title=" 06:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC) ">(UTC)&nbsp;&rlm;ג'&nbsp;תַּמּוּז&nbsp;תשע"ג&nbsp;&lrm;06:09</span>
::::::{{replyto|A930913}} Well, this brings us back to the question we raised before: how exactly do we mention these? Should we make subpages, and then use <code><nowiki>{{/{{#switch: {{#time: xjj xjF}}|1 Tishrei|2 Tishrei = Rosh Hashanah...}} }}</nowiki></code>, or should we write more simply <code><nowiki>Today is [[{{#switch: {{#time: xjj xjF}}|1 Tishrei|2 Tishrei = Rosh Hashanah...}}]].</nowiki></code>, or some other way? [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 14:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::For those of us who aren't programmers:  What time of day are we changing over, and what will the content be?  [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 14:45, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::{{replyto|StevenJ81}} Presumably we would change at midnight UTC, but this can very easily be changed. The content still needs to be decided; some ideas are mentioned at the top of this section. [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 14:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Proposed deletion: Jewish American actors/actresses ==

The categories involving Jewish American actors and actresses are being proposed for deletion. If you have an opinion, either way, you can post your comment at: [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 11#Jewish American actors]]. [[User:Liz|<span style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:#800080">'''''L'''''iz</span>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Times New Roman" color="#006400">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</span></sup> 00:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

== Parshat Hashavua section ==

Perhaps someone who regularly works with this would like to take a look at my [[User:StevenJ81/sandbox#WTp in Israel|sandbox]]. I've made some coding tests that I think would simplify this a lot, and would allow us to address situations where the parsha in Israel and the parsha in the Diaspora are different.

#See at [[User:StevenJ81/sandbox/testpage]]. I assume that the various pages called <nowiki>{{Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/xxx}}</nowiki> are not likely to be looked at except to the extent that they transclude to the portal. People otherwise looking for information on the parsha will go to the mainspace article on the parsha. Accordingly, it's reasonable to incorporate the coding that I have illustrated on this page. By using this coding, the page will always transclude into the Portal main page with the current week's Shabbat dates showing. (Possibly one will need to refresh the cached version.) As things stand now, the weekly portion subpages are edited every single year. With this coding, one more round of editing through the cycle will fix those permanently. 
#:I don't see an easy way to automate the main template (<nowiki>{{Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion}}</nowiki>), but editing only that every year or so is much easier than editing every parsha subpage every year.
#I would propose that the main template could be edited so that in a week like this one it could read<br /><div style="text-align: center;"><code><nowiki>|17 = {{Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/Pesach Day VIII|chutz=chutz}}{{Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/WTpI|Acharei}}</nowiki></code></div><br />That would give the result that you see in my [[User:StevenJ81/sandbox#WTp in Israel|sandbox]]—namely, that it adds a reference within the parsha subpage for the Diaspora that it is the parsha only in the Diaspora, plus adds a footer below pointing one to the correct parsha subpage for Israel. (Then, when that one is called, one still gets the correct dates, due to #1 above.)
I'd appreciate any thoughts from the people who run this section regularly. I would never impose this unilaterally. [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 15:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== Portal:Antisemitism ==

Dear community, I want to create [[Portal:Antisemitism]]. But I don't want to create it on my own. If I get enough of volunteers here, I would love to create the portal with your help. So, who is in? Please spread the news if you know someone who would like to participate. -- [[User:Rævhuld|Rævhuld]] ([[User talk:Rævhuld|talk]]) 21:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

=== Survey ===
* {{Agree}} I would like to help creating this portal. -- [[User:Rævhuld|Rævhuld]] ([[User talk:Rævhuld|talk]]) 21:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

=== Discussion ===
* {{Commentvote}} It is an important portal, since antisemitism is spreading a lot in the 21st century. -- [[User:Rævhuld|Rævhuld]] ([[User talk:Rævhuld|talk]]) 21:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Template Awareness ==

{{infobox Halacha|image=|verse={{bibleverse||Exodus|23:19|}}<br>{{bibleverse||Exodus|34:26|}}<br>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:21|}}|talmud=[[Hullin]] 113b, 115b|sa=}}
Mixtures of '''milk and meat''' ({{langx|he|בשר בחלב}}, ''basar bechalav'', literally "meat in milk") are prohibited according to ''[[halakah|Jewish law]]''. This dietary law, basic to [[kashrut]], is based on two verses in the [[Book of Exodus]], which forbid "boiling a (kid) goat in its mother's milk"<ref>{{bibleverse||Exodus|34:26|}}</ref><ref>{{bibleverse||Exodus|23:19|}}</ref> and a third repetition of this prohibition in [[Deuteronomy]].<ref>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:21|}}</ref> Some claim the Biblical statement was referring to [[sebum]] (חֵלֶב) and not milk (חָלָב).

^ I am unsure of where to post this example, but it is posted here for someone who can use it or spread it to others who can use it. [[User:Twillisjr|Twillisjr]] ([[User talk:Twillisjr|talk]]) 23:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== Notice from the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|Portals WikiProject]] ==

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|WikiProject Portals]] is back!

The project was rebooted and completely overhauled on April 17th, 2018. Its goals are to revitalize the entire portal system, make building and maintaining portals easier, support the ongoing improvement of portals and the editors dedicated to this, and design the portals of the future.

As of May 2nd, 2018, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Project members|membership]] is at 60 editors, and growing. You are welcome to join us.

There are '''[[WT:WPPORT|design initiatives]]''' for revitalizing the portals system as a whole, and for improving each component of portals.  So far, 2 new dynamic components have been developed: [[Template:Transclude lead excerpt]] and [[Template:Transclude random excerpt]].

'''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Tools|Tools are provided]]''' for building and maintaining portals, including automated portals that update themselves in various ways.

And, if you are bored and would like something to occupy your mind, we have a wonderful '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#New_Project_tasks|task list]]'''.

From your friendly neighborhood [[WP:WPPORT|Portals WikiProject]]. Hope to see you there. Sincerely,   <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 07:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

== Judaism and Disability ==

Would it be possible to have a page on Judaism and Disability , similar to the page on Judaism and Homosexuality ? [[User:Wakelamp|Wakelamp d&#91;@-@&#93;b]] ([[User talk:Wakelamp|talk]]) 04:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
= I am uncertain how, if and where to ask it on the tasklist [[User:Wakelamp|Wakelamp d&#91;@-@&#93;b]] ([[User talk:Wakelamp|talk]]) 04:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Critics of Judaism]] ==
I am currently cleaning this category of articles about people whose "criticism" is actually just hate, viz. antisemites - and of other articles that do not mention any such criticism. (That category was added to a lot of articles by an IP a few years ago.) I have done so for the letters A to E, but I may have given some of the remaining ones too much benefit of the doubt. Probably somebody should have another look. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 19:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
:Finished. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 00:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)