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{{Online source|year=2005|section=January 1-10
|author=Adam Wild Aba
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== Is POV an issue? ==

Is it a negative POV issue to ask for anyone to provide the pronunciation of (attribution / verification for)... GW Bush's (rumor on many blogs only?) nickname of "Fredo" for the Attorney General? I would be glad to 1) verify it's authenticity, 2) know how to pronounce this nickname [[User:Millerik|Millerik]] 17:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

There is so much Negative POV in this article. It needs to be deleted unless someone can give a good reason... 90% of this stuff is just bashing Gonzales (and by proxy, bashing Bush) -- [[User:130.74.138.53|130.74.138.53]] 20:06, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree with the negative POV.
--[[User:Brookswilliams|Brooks]] 20:10, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:Hmm... I'd assume those 2 paragraphs weren't by the same person. So, I don't think what Brooks said has any importance in this discussion. NPOV should always be about gathering the information on both sides, not about determining which side is more favorable. The suggestion to delete is tempting, but the preferred method around here is only to remove that which is found irrelevant or innaccurate, and to not remove the one-sided argument but balance it out with whatever can be argued on the other side. Right? --[[User:Albino Fox|Al Fox]] 21:01, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:Agree with Al Fox.  Is the material factually incorrect?  I don't think it's POV to document that someone has taken actions that were controversial.  How about adding something to balance.  What has been done that you think should be highlighted as a positive accomplishment?  It's always easier to find negatives about political figures in the news, which is where most of this article comes from. [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 21:04, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

:Let's not wave the NPOV flag unnecessarily.  If something is libelous or factually incorrect, then we are obligated to correct that.  If it is noteworthy about the person, it belongs here.  Otherwise (and yes, this is the worst analogy possible but it makes a point) we should all be heading straight over to the [[Adolf Hitler|Hitler]] article to try to "balance" that out too.  Give me a break.  [[User:Radman1|[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']])]] 23:51, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::I removed the npov tag from this article.  I think it's too early. I don't think any of what is in the article is actually disputed, in that it was reported and is widely available. [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 00:40, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

:I think the NPOV questions are due to the fact that only the first paragraph in the Texas Career section deals with non-controversial items. This is a bit skewed - just gleaning from the .gov site:
:prior to 1994
::He was a board director of the United Way of the Texas Gulf Coast from 1993 to 1994, and President of Leadership Houston during this same period. 
:1994-97
::In 1994, Gonzales served as Chair of the Commission for District Decentralization of the Houston Independent School District, and as a member of the Committee on Undergraduate Admissions for Rice University. 
::He was chosen as one of the Five Outstanding Young Texans by the Texas Jaycees in 1994 
member of delegations sent by the American Council of Young Political Leaders to Mexico in 1996 and to the People's Republic of China in 1995 
::Presidential Citation from the State Bar of Texas in 1997 for his dedication to addressing basic legal needs of the indigent. 
:1997-1999
::1999 Latino Lawyer of the Year by the Hispanic National Bar Association 
:I'd put this info in myself, but I don't trust my English skills as of yet. :-) [[User:RMann|Rmann]]

I have added the information mentioned above by [[User:RMann|RMann]].  Thanks! [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 01:26, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

:Good info. That helps to balance the article out quite a bit. (And I say that as an avid Gonzales-hater.) [[User:Quadell|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Quadell|'''Q'''uadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[User:Quadell/Request for assistance|help]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 02:11, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

I removed parts of the article that were based on op-ed journalism.  Sure it's in the news, but it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia.  For Example: 
"In 2004, when this memo was leaked to the press, Gonzales said about the memo in Senate confirmation hearings that "... I don't recall today whether or not I was in agreement with all of the analysis, but I don't have a disagreement with the conclusions then reached by the department." '''This indicates that, despite the Bush administration's withdrawal from the memo, Gonzales still believes that the Justice Department was correct in its reasoning about torture.''' " 
That section in bold is clearly opinion based and tries to make readers think that Gonzales is some kind of evil sadist by insinuating that he supports torture.~pete6982 3/27/07

:Whether he believes that the legal reasoning about torture was correct is a matter of fact.  The assertions that he therefore supports torture or that such support makes him "some kind of evil sadist" are entirely ''your'' judgments. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] 10:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed this bit from the first paragraph: "Both his parents were children of immigrants from Mexico with less than a high-school education themselves" as it's not particularly interesting, enlightening, or noteworthy that he is the granchild of immigrants. A substantial portion of the US population are the grandchild (or child) of an immigrant.
[[User:71.97.2.38|71.97.2.38]] 20:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:It's (obviously) noteworthy in the current political climate, with Gonzales being the chief enforcer of laws concerning illegal immigration, which is especially aimed at immigrants from Mexico -- and Gonzales says his grandparents probably immigrated illegally.  The claim that it is "not particularly interesting" is false on its face. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] 10:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have time to go through and give you examples, but this is really one of the clearest examples of people writing with a point of view that I have seen on Wikipedia.  I came here to see when Gonzales resigned because I somehow missed that story, and I was confronted with statements about how he didn't do his job in clemency recommendations for Texas (which is not supported - it was an opinion not shared by most in Texas).  He said his grandparents had no papers and everyone cries hypocrisy, but I think this was before the US really regulated immigration.  When you insist on writing every line with an insinuation as has been done in this article, you only obscure the real issues making people think that perhaps you have spun those as well.  You also hurt wikipedia.  There is enough real controversy here for you to write about without insinuating that his reason for leaving the AF Academy was to avoid further service (couldn't he have decided that a different career was for him).  September, 15, 2007.  H. Hoblit  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.32.168.247|24.32.168.247]] ([[User talk:24.32.168.247|talk]]) 20:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


This article is one of the worst POV's articles I've seen on Gonzales and it should be deleted and replaced with a simple, factual bio. This type of flagrant POV is exactly why wikipedia will never be anything more than a joke and a source of misinformation. I'm tempted to delete the whole thing, but then again this blatant POV is on display and telling readers something about the mindset of people with a certain political attitude. 

:: it was NOT before US "really regulated" immigration, my grandparents in 1882 had to go through rigourous red tape. --[[User:nwerle|nwerle]]

==Texas Executions==
Why is the GW Bush, execution thing relevant? Its a known fact that the state of texas (read: not Bush) executed a lot of people... and continues to do so. That sentence just seems out of place and anti Gonzales and anti-Bush. I'm gonna delete it, unless someone gives me a good reason. (edit: I'm changing it to read, the state of texas and leave out Bush... anyone disagree?)
::<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:130.74.138.53|130.74.138.53]] ([[User talk:130.74.138.53|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/130.74.138.53|contribs]]){{#if:November 11, 2004|&#32;November 11, 2004|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:As the person who wrote that sentence, I agree that your version of the sentence is better (more accurate). [[User:Quadell|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Quadell|'''Q'''uadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[User:Quadell/Request for assistance|help]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 02:11, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

I edited this part too.  I think it's ironic that Gonzo is criticized for attempting to uphold the integrity of the gubernatorial pardon by removing the governor from jury duty and criticized for not second guessing the verdicts of juries in death penalty cases.  Once again the piece criticizing him here is an op-ed which uses its opposition of execution of the mentally retarded to attack the non-pardons of then Governor Bush. ~pete6982 3/27/07

This is clearly POV: "Only one death sentence was over-turned by Governor Bush, and the state of Texas executed more prisoners during Gonzales' term than any other state". It's not atypical for Texas to perform the most executions. The sentence implies that it is atypical and that Gonzales was responsible for this. Objectively, Gonzales is only marginally responsible for Texas's number one in executions status. I would edit the article but wikipedia is not a wiki anymore and you have locked the page :( --[[User:221.217.37.214|221.217.37.214]] 03:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


===ALBERTO GONZALES AND TEXAS EXECUTIONS===

Let's clear up the difference between infer and imply:

  Those who write the New York Times
  Imply that Bush committed crimes.
  Those who read these words of wit
  Infer such things as this from it.

So when a writer offers this in the article:

   "the state of Texas executed more prisoners during Gonzales' term than any other state."

I think the writer's implication is that people were executed in Texas prisons:

(a) at an unusual or frenetic pace;

(b) at a pace inconsistent with that of the previous or next administration;

(c) at a pace inconsistent with a state of its population;

(d) to the satisfaction of the administration;

(e) without due process of trial, conviction, death sentence, appeal, and so forth having occurred;

(f) because Alberto Gonzales was less than diligent in performing his job since the death penalty was applied as directed.

Texas is the third most populous state; #1 is liberal California; #2 is liberal New York; and Texas has a huge border with Mexico; it should not surprise a grown person to learn that Texas has a considerable death penalty population and considerable use of the death penalty.

To suggest that Gonzales acted wrongly, slowly, or illogically based on the fact that death penalty rates were high is substantially subjective and therefore a matter of "point of view."

[[User:Jessemckay|Jessemckay]] ([[User talk:Jessemckay|talk]]) 05:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Judge? ==

OK, I may be wrong, but wasn't Al also a judge for a time? This isn't mentioned in the article at all currently. --[[User:NightMonkey|NightMonkey]] 21:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
:Check out the Texas section... mentions he was on the TX Supreme Court. [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 21:57, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
::Wow, I really need to not let my caffine level get too low. However, this would seem to point out that this article is less about Alberto Gonzales and more about George W. Bush and his relationship to him. His actual life history is given very short shrift in this article. --[[User:NightMonkey|NightMonkey]] 22:15, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
:::The reason is, there are hundreds of Google hits about Gonzales's various controversies, and very few pro-Gonzales sites. It's just easier, in this case, to find the unpleasant facts than the pleasant ones. I'm glad the article has more to say now than just "here are the controversial facts about this man". [[User:Quadell|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Quadell|'''Q'''uadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[User:Quadell/Request for assistance|help]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 02:11, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
::::I am as well; and Quadell hits exactly the reason why the article was so anti-Bush at first; that's the information that was out there, and that's the information that the media was focused on (and will continue to be through the confirmation process) Thanks, folks, for continuing to dig and include the commendable things about him that are harder to find. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 15:03, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It's mentioned that he was on the TX Supreme Court... but wouldn't it be a better article if we talked about some of the opinions and dissents he wrote? I'll start looking for some of those, but surely it would be best if I weren't the only person doing that. [[User:The Literate Engineer|The Literate Engineer]] 7 July 2005 01:33 (UTC)

Gonzales was first appointed by Governor George W. Bush, and then elected by the people of Texas to the Texas Supreme Court, election Nov 2000.(http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/court/j4.asp)  The above statement with no attribution, only opinion, shows the derelict integrity of Wikipedia and most who post here.  Most of the negative comments on this page are either unattributed or the links are broken or inaccurate.  Most people won't ever go deeper than to read the inaccurate comments and believe them.  I hope everyone reading this takes these comments, good and bad, with a grain of salt.  They are almost all universally biased to support someone's political agenda.  Very limited integrity in these posts.

== Middle name? ==

There's been a bit of apparent secrecy regarding his middle name. Does anyone have a source for it? [[User:66.159.150.86|66.159.150.86]] 00:42, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There is no secrecy; there is no middle name. Middle initial is R., possibly standing for Rodriguez, his mother's maiden name.  Do you really think you can be the White House Counsel, Attorney General of the United States, supervise the vetting process for appointments to the United States Supreme Court, as well as the FBI background checks required to hold these positions, and have secrecy surrounding your name?  This is another attempt at partisan's trying to tarnish a person's reputation, over and over, with no substance, relying on nuance and innuendo.  How do you people have a conscience?  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:NylIceb|NylIceb]] ([[User talk:NylIceb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NylIceb|contribs]]) 05:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Fact Checks? ==

Hullo in here...

:I'm new to this game... am I in Freeper Land? The reason I'm asking is that Freepers would likely let the following comment in this article stand without oposition:

"Not mentioned is the fact Texas is the largest state by population, by far, so it would naturally have excecuted more inmates. Texas[3] [4]"

:That just doesn't seem right.  (Do you really want me to cite a source here?  Ok... try this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

:I won't even begin to mention an exectutions/population ratio.

:Maybe that's a good thing to some of you.
:Maybe you WANT this guy enforcing your laws.  Including those he'll probably find "quaint"... like the Bill of Rights.  Good luck to you.

Reguards,
Paulie

I would rather have someone who upholds the justice system and supports the convictions and failed appeals.  ~pete6982 3/27/07

:No one cares what misrepresentations of fact a freeper would rather. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] 10:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==His position vs. position of his critics==

Let's provide a bit more information about his position on the applicability of (1) Geneva Convention and (2) the U.S. Constitution to the "enemy fighters" locked up in Guantanamo. The article should clarify WHY Gonzales concluded '''as a lawyer''' that certain provisions are inapplicable; i.e., it should summarize the grounds that he provided. The cute quote about it being "quaint" strikes me as having been chosen more to portray Gonzales in a bad light than to shed any actual light on his reasoning.

Also, about the so-called "torture memos". Would the article please clarify what definition of torture is being used, and who advocates that definition? Moreover, could the article clarify the distinction between (A) traditionally proscribed modes of torture (i.e., banned by the West and most other countries in the civilized world) and (B) rough interrogation techniques which aren't allowed on U.S. citizens in the U.S.? 

I'm a reader here - not just an editor. I don't know the answers to any of these questions, or I'd simply edit the article and insert them.  [[User:Ed Poor|--user:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] [[user talk:Ed Poor|(talk)]] 18:08, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

: I attempted to provide as clear a view of the memo while removing the POV in it. What specificaly would you like clarified? [[User:TDC|TDC]] 05:45, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

== "far right" ==

"...the far-right base of the party would never allow a pro-choice Republican to be appointed to the Supreme Court"

The term "far-right" is used solely as a pejorative here.  Abortion is pretty much a 50-50 issue in the US; it is ridiculous to say that opposition to Roe makes one far-right.  I don't see anyone claiming that support for Roe is "far-left".


However, polls show that less than 30% of Americans wish to see Roe overturned http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

:Actually, the most recent Gallup poll on your link (May 10-13, 2007) says 35% Yes, overturn, 53% no, 12% unsure. It's a little weird to say 35% of the population is far-right and another 12% are thinking about it. [[User:Djcastel|Djcastel]] 20:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Acute accent ==

Does anyone know for sure whether he uses the spelling Gonzales or Gonzáles? I know the [[acute accent]] is correct in [[Spanish language|Spanish]], but as an American he might use an anglicized spelling without it. At the moment, the article is inconsistent, using both forms, and we need to find out what's right and use it consistently. --[[User:Angr|Angr]]/[[User_talk:Angr|<sub>{{IPA|t&#596;k t&#601; mi}}</sub>]] 14:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Actually, according to the rules of Spanish accentuation, he would only need the accent if his name ended in a "z". His LCSH is "Gonzales, Alberto R."[http://authorities.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?AuthRecID=4652049&v1=1&HC=1&SEQ=20060306115524&PID=15072], and his White House bio uses no accent. So I vote for moving it back.--[[User:Rockero|Rockero]] 16:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:'''Support''' moving it back. Seems right without the accent. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
::I moved it back.  The modification to the redirect unlinked ~ hundred articles from this page when it was at the alternate spelling. That's been fixed. Both USDOJ and White House uses no accent, we need good sourcing before we move around major articles. [[User:NoSeptember|<span style="color:green;">'''NoSeptember'''</span>]] [[User talk:NoSeptember|<span style="color:green;"><sup>''talk''</sup></span>]] 01:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

==Misc.==
I'd like to know how a person is a "current or on going event"? I have been working on an [[George W. Bush's first term to second term cabinet reorganization|article]] that chronicles the cabinet nominations and hearings. Possibley the "on going" infomation could go in there. --[[User:The stuart|The_stuart]] 20:40, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm changing the box, as he is the nominee, not incumbent.  He has yet to be confirmed by the Senate. [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 17:37, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

[[Bill Richardson (politician)|Bill Richardson]], who was secretary of energy under Clinton, would seem to be Hispanic.  Thus would Gonzales be the highest-placed Hispanic ever in US Govt?  Is AG considered "higher" than another Cabinet post?  I don't know. [[User:Gwimpey|Gwimpey]] 19:54, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
:AG comes before Secretary of Energy in the presidential line of succession. So in that sense it's "higher". *shrug* [[User:207.59.86.5|207.59.86.5]] 20:20, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
::Yes, there's a very specific heirarchy - AG is higher than energy. I believe only Secretary of State is higher than AG, in the cabinet. Then Treasury, Defense, etc. --[[User:BD2412|<span style="background:lightgreen;">&nbsp;BD2412</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|<sup><b>talk</b></sup>]] July 1, 2005 15:54 (UTC)

==Supreme Court==
Source on rumors: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20050627.shtml

since this was all speculation, does it even belong in an encyclopedia?
~pete6982 3/27/07 

== the "quaint" quote ==

i made a minor edit to the sentence about gonzales's reference to sections of the geneva conventions as "quaint."  the sections he was referring to are ones that allow POWs to receive parcels including the items listed, not, as the previous sentence implied, ones that require the capturing country to provide those items.  --[[User:Robotica|Robotica]]

== [[La Raza]] ==
Is it just me, or has nobody noticed that this guy is a full member in good standing of one of the most racist organizations operating in the western hemisphere? Comments... anyone... ? [[User:Sweetfreek|Sweetfreek]] 19:17, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

:I'm hardly a booster of [[National Council of La Raza]], but I hardly see how it counts as a racist organization, much less "one of the most racist organizations operating in the western hemisphere". I think you're reading too much into its name (which could mean "the people" as easily as "the race"--as, indeed, the word "race" used to mean in English).

:Ethnocentric? Sure--but so is every ethnic advocacy organization. Is the [[Ancient Order of Hibernians]] "racist"? [[User:Narsil|Narsil]] 21:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:It says right in the introductory paragraph of La Raza's article that it adheres to the Spanish Colonialist mindset, which was intended to separate the native South American population by race, Mestizos and Natives, so that the native population would drop to the bottom of society and then die off.  This native population still exists, to some extent, and still reap the destruction wrought by this policy.  Look it up.  ANON <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/72.76.248.151|72.76.248.151]] ([[User talk:72.76.248.151|talk]]) 21:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Presidential surveillance quote ==
The quotations section includes this:

:"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President Roosevelt have all authorized [electronic] surveillance on a far broader scale."

I think the bracketed "[electronic]" is an error. Washington and Lincoln could not, of course, have authorized "electronic" surveillance (unless, in Lincoln's case, tapping a telegraph line is "electronic surveillance"--a real stretch).

At first read, the sentence makes Gonzalez look stupid ("Hah! He thinks there were computers in Washington's time!") until you notice that "electronic" is the editor's addition.

Can someone give me some context for this quotation? Did he really seem to be implying that he thought Washington used electronic surveillance? If not, then I'd suggest removing the bracketed "[electronic]", or perhaps changing it to "...have all authorized [domestic] surveillance..." if the context supports that. Any objection? [[User:Narsil|Narsil]] 21:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:Well, I'll be danged! I tracked down video here: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/06.html#a7043 He actually says "electronic surveillance", so the brackets are themselves an error--"electronic" is part of the direct quotation. Truly LOL-worthy, I say as a fire-breathing right-winger--though it's the kind of slip of the tongue anyone might make.

: I'll remove the brackets from "electronic", and add a link to the video. [[User:Narsil|Narsil]] 19:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)



== POV template (neutrality disputed) in Legal problems section ==

[[User:Mdeaton]] noted in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Alberto_Gonzales&diff=74402104&oldid=74306810 edit summary] it should be reworded. [[User:TransUtopian|TransUtopian]] 22:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Not really sure about the facts listed in this section - and I'm not disputing them, either.  The sentence starting with "Those and other incidents . . ." should probably be eliminated because it contains no facts, but appears to be unsubstantiated filler to enhance the argument of questionable integrity.  Same goes for the next paragraph starting with "When Bush was sworn in . . ."  Additionally, the phrase, "lied to Congress" introduces significant bias, and could surely be reworded in an objective manner while still stating the apparent inconsistencies in his statements; it would be best to include citations.  The last paragraph also needs clarification, a citation, or elimination.  I do not feel comfortable editing this section because as I stated, I do not know the facts discussed.[[User:Mdeaton|Mdeaton]] 12:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:I went ahead and removed the above-mentioned sentences ("Those and other incidents have led many to questions Gonzales' integrity and his perception of justice.  Others, however, regard these accusations as politically motivated attacks," AND "When Bush was sworn in as President of the United States in 2001, he appointed Gonzales [[White House Counsel]]. In this position, Gonzales has been already party to controversial legal matters involving the Bush administration.  As a result, he has become a lightning rod for criticism of the administration's actions in these affairs.")  Neither contains any facts and introduce bias.  Also removed the statement, "Gonzales has avoided further investigation surrounding his testimony, partly because Republican Senator [[Arlen Specter]] refused to swear in Gonzales, but also because confirmation hearings testimony was ruled as off limits as a precondition to questioning Gonzales," because it badly needs clarification and obviously a source if it is to be included. [[User:Mdeaton|Mdeaton]] 13:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


This guy seems to disregard the rights which this nation was meant to guarantee.  Then again, what politician doesn't?  I don't personally know of any.  It seems that there are two paths, left and right, but the problem is, both lead straight to totalitarianism.<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.78.6.202|68.78.6.202]] ([[User talk:68.78.6.202|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

== middle name ==

i dont think its correct on the page! <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/195.194.144.2|195.194.144.2]] ([[User talk:195.194.144.2|talk]]) 10:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==Resignation due to U.S. Prosecutor scandal ==

We can't post this section yet, but anyone who wants should feel free to get to work on it. [[User:Eleemosynary|Eleemosynary]] 07:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Young Turks Source ==
I took the liberty of removing <B>"[The Young Turks (talk show)]] radio program, on March 19, 2007, reported that White House sources have indicated that Mr. Gonzales would be fired during the coming week, and he could be asked to step down by Tuesday, March 20, 2007."</B> from the Attorney General Nomination and Confirmation section. It is in the wrong section, and without linking to a transcript of the show or some other source, it is not verifiable enough. --[[User:Damienhunter|D]] 17:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I enjoy that talk show, but it is a liberal show. It is not a nuetral source.

:It's not neutral, but it's far more reliable than e.g. Fox or Daily Mail or HuffPo, which often get used as sources on wikipedia. The facts have a well known liberal bias. [[Special:Contributions/96.251.137.43|96.251.137.43]] ([[User talk:96.251.137.43|talk]]) 15:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

==Calls for resignation==

I have a link to site that Tom Tancredo calls for him to resign i just dont know how to put it in correctly
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070320/ap_on_el_pr/on_the2008_trail;_ylt=ArIj4YEr5GCw82PEIPDuEh2yFz4D
Thats the link if someone would like to put it in and also if you could message me on how to do it as well thanks [[User:Gang14|Gang14]] 19:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

*In general citations for each individual calling for resignation are needed. The section lacks a single citation to a source at the moment; otherwise it amounts to unsourced rumour.  -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 23:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

* It has been a week, and there are perhaps four citations for the quotations on the list of people calling for resignation. I'm taking off the quotations.  The list itself is in danger of being removed without citations. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 04:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

*All Representatives or Senators calling for resignation without a citation to a published source are marked as "citation needed."  I propose to remove those listed in seven days, April 30, 2007, if a name has no citation to a reliable published source. These presently fail to comply with the  [[Wikipedia:Citing sources#When adding material to the biography of a living person]]. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 05:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:* This has been fixed, [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=200704222030&limit=7&target=UnitedStatesIndia  thanks to edits] by [[User:UnitedStatesIndia]] on in April 2007. --  [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 14:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Enron==
Why is this not mentioned in the article?:

Gonzales, who received his law degree from Harvard and graduated from Rice University, was a partner in a Houston law firm that represented energy giant Enron Corp. (search), which has been in the center of Justice Department efforts to clean up corporate fraud. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/74.71.46.78|74.71.46.78]] ([[User talk:74.71.46.78|talk]]) 05:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:This was once in the article under the controversies heading, but was (rightfully) edited out because there was nothing  controversial about it.  A former employer or business associate, even one with the ill-repute of Enron, does not qualify as a controversy.  Perhaps it merits inclusion in a biographical context but must be without unsourced implication of wrong-doing.  If there are reliable sources evidencing some dubious action on his part, by all means, add it and cite the source. [[User:Mdeaton|Mdeaton]] 12:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== He's the man? ==

Why does the first line in this article define Gonzales as "the man"?  That is beyond silly.[[User:199.76.170.177|199.76.170.177]] 16:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Court Opinions ==

Please give the DATES on the Court Opinions. [[User:67.101.234.186|67.101.234.186]] 23:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Gonzales tesimony April 19, 2007 in U.S. Attorneys controversy ==

{{Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy_Gonzales_April_19, 2007}}
This template of access to Gonzales video testimony  is available for use.  Given that there is already the navigation template, adding this to the article appears to be a bit much. For your information. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 18:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Scary-arse New Copyright Laws pushed by Gonzales + McNulty ==

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9719339-7.html?tag=tb

{{cquote|Gonzales proposes new crime: "Attempted" copyright infringement
* Criminalize "attempting" to infringe copyright. Federal law currently punishes not-for-profit copyright infringement with between 1 and 10 years in prison, but there has to be actual infringement that takes place.
* Create a new crime of life imprisonment for using pirated software
* Permit more wiretaps for piracy investigations. Wiretaps would be authorized for investigations of Americans who are "attempting" to infringe copyrights.
* Allow computers to be seized more readily. Specifically, property such as a PC "intended to be used in any manner" to commit a copyright crime would be subject to forfeiture, including civil asset forfeiture
* Increase penalties for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's anti-circumvention regulations.
* Add penalties for "intended" copyright crimes. 
* Require Homeland Security to alert the Recording Industry Association of America. That would happen when compact discs with "unauthorized fixations of the sounds or sounds and images of a live musical performance" are attempted to be imported.}}

Somehow fold into the article?  Would also need it's own Wikipedia article.

*+ more info on McNulty claims it seems http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051500755.html
::<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Phish0202|Phish0202]] ([[User talk:Phish0202|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Phish0202|contribs]]) May 15, 2007</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

*There's reason to doubt Gonzales's above claim and McNulty may have been kept in the dark and probably was not informed of Goodling's and Sampson's secret delegation of personnel authority by the A.G., and was not informed of White House influence on creation of the dismissal  list. Critical comparison of of Gonzales's claim that McNulty signed off, comparing to released documents and other testimony is desirable. Gonzales signed off too. Check [[Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy timeline]] around February 2007, and the citations there for (minimal) background.<br>  -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 11:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Calls for resignation or firing section ==

The "Calls for resignation or firing" section really serves no purpose. It's clear he's not popular right now. The article can read: X Senators and X Congress people have called for him to resign, and remove the list. There's is really no point in listing every name/party affliation. This is wikipedia not a political blog. While interesting and well-sourced, it is simple list-cruft, and takes away from the article as a whole. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbustoo]] 01:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was about to [[WP:BOLD|Be bold]] and consolidate the list, but a major issue would be what to do about all the references. It seems like a waste to just get rid of them . Perhaps we should create a separate article/list? --[[user:ybbor|Ybbor]][[User Talk:Ybbor|<sup style="color:green;">Talk</sup>]] 02:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::Is there a citable source that's keeping track and allows the article to dump the list, and also not create a separate list-cruft article?  (If kept, these individuals should have dates next to their statements, since they all could change their veiws.) -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 21:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

How about this solution? -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 02:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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'''Democrats calling for departure:'''

*Sen. [[Harry Reid]] (D-NV), [[Senate Majority Leader]]:  "shortsighted," "arrogant" <ref>{{cite news
|accessdate=
|url=http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-15-Thu-2007/news/13191425.html
|title=Reid expects attorney general to quit |author=Batt, Tony
|date=[[March 15]], [[2007]]
|work=Las Vegas Review-Journal}}</ref> 
*Sen. [[Chuck Schumer]] (D-NY), Vice-Chairman of Senate Democratic Conference, chairman of the [[Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee]] and member of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "carrying out the political wishes of the President"<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfB_1v1VMv4]</ref> (first member of either chamber to call for ouster)
*Sen. [[Patrick Leahy]] (D-VT), Chairman of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "I don't think he can be effective" <ref>[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9677315]</ref>
*Sen. [[Joe Biden]] (D-DE), member of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "we’d be better off if he did (resign), but that’s a judgment the president is going to have to make"<ref>www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/120307Gonzales.htm] (News Article) "Democrats call for resignation"</ref>
*Sen. [[Maria Cantwell]] (D-WA):  firings were "appalling"<ref>[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18330844/] (News Article) "Cantwell calls for Gonzales to resign"</ref>
*Sen. [[Hillary Rodham Clinton]] (D-NY):  "buck should stop somewhere"<ref>[http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2948538&page=1] (News Article) "Hillary Clinton calls for Gonzales' resignation"</ref>
*Sen. [[Chris Dodd]] (D-CT):  "egregious lapses in judgment"<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/03/19/cq_2429.html] (News Article) "Presidential Hopefuls Speak Up on Prosecutor Dismissals"</ref>
*Sen. [[Dianne Feinstein]] (D-CA), member of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "nation is not well served by this"<ref>[http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/25/fired.attorneys.ap/index.html](News Article) "Key Republicans question Gonzalez's credibility"</ref>
*Sen. [[Ted Kennedy]] (D-MA), member of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "his resignation is long overdue"<ref>[http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=5463](News Article) "Kennedy: Resignation is long overdue"</ref>
*Sen. [[John Kerry]] (D-MA):  "there must be accountability from the top down"<ref>[http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=270585](News Article) "Kerry calls on Bush to fire Attorney General"</ref>
*Sen. [[Blanche Lincoln]] (D-AR):  "serious breach between the Justice Department and Congress"<ref>[http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=d9cb4ecc-bcf2-4940-9c30-f1847cd09b7e&rss=315](News Article) "Lincoln and Pryor call for Gonzales' ouster"</ref>
*Sen. [[Bill Nelson]] (D-FL):  "lost his credibility"<ref>[http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/25/fired.attorneys.ap/index.html] (News Article) "Key Republicans question Gonzalez's credibility"</ref>
*Sen. [[Barack Obama]] (D-IL):  "subverted justice to promote a political agenda"<ref>[http://obama.senate.gov/press/070329-obama_renews_call_for_gonzales_to_be_replaced_as_attorney_general/index.html]</ref>
*Sen. [[Mark Pryor]] (D-AR):  "when the Attorney General lies to a United States Senator ... it's time for that Attorney General to go"<ref name=PryorMarch2007>{{cite web |accessdate=2007-04-17|url=http://pryor.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=270742
|title=Pryor Calls for Attorney General Gonzales to Resign
|date=[[March 15]], [[2007]]
|publisher=Senate office of Mark Pryor
|quote=...when the Attorney General lies to a United States Senator ... it's time for that Attorney General to go...}}</ref>
*Sen. [[Sheldon Whitehouse]] (D-RI), member of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "he had a hard sell to make to me, and he didn't make it"<ref>[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9692295]</ref>
*Rep. [[Nancy Pelosi]] (D-CA), [[Speaker of the United States House of Representatives|Speaker of the House of Representatives]]:"has lost the trust of the American people"<ref>[http://speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=0150] "The Raw Story"</ref>

'''Republicans calling for Gonzales to leave:'''

*Sen. [[John E. Sununu]] (R-NH), first Republican to call for ouster:  "If I were the president, I would fire the attorney general"<ref name="smithcall">{{cite news
|title=Second GOP senator suggests Gonzales should go
|first=Kathy
|last=Kiely
|coauthors=Kevin Johnson
|url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-03-15-gonzales-prosecutors_N.htm
|work=USA Today
|date=[[2007-03-15]]
|accessdate=2007-04-20}}</ref>
*Sen. [[Gordon Smith (politician)|Gordon Smith]] (R-OR):  ouster "would be helpful"<ref name="smithcall"/>
*Sen. [[Tom Coburn]] (R-OK), member of the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  told Gonzales at hearing that "the best way to put this behind us is your resignation";<ref name=CoburnApril2007>{{cite news |accessdate= |url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3057693
|title=Gonzales Confronts Call for Resignation
|author=Lara Jakes Jordan |work=ABC News
|date=[[April 19]], [[2007]] 
}}</ref> <ref name=CoburnMarch2007>{{cite news|accessdate=
|url=http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LatestNews.NewsStories&ContentRecord_id=50e65942-802a-23ad-4f05-8a0a45a7a5ec
|title=Mistakes' Made on Prosecutors, Gonzales Admits
|author=Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Jeff Zeleny|work=New York Times
|date=[[March 14]], [[2007]]
}}had earlier described affair as "idiocy"</ref>
*Sen. [[John McCain]] (R-AZ): "very disappointed in his performance", "it would be best for Gonzales to quit"<ref>{{cite news
|url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18326002/
|title=McCain: It would be best for Gonzales to quit
|work=MSNBC.com
|publisher=Associated Press
|date=[[2007-04-26]]
|accessdate=2007-04-27}}</ref>
*Sen. [[Jeff Sessions]] (R-AL), member of [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "If he and the President decide that he cannot be an effective leader moving forward, then he should resign."<ref>{{cite web | date = [[2007-04-20]]
| title = GOP Senator says Gonzales should consider resigning | accessdate = 2007-04-20
| url = http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/04/gop-senator-says-gonzales-should.html
}}</ref>
*Sen. [[Norm Coleman]] (R-MN):  "deeply concerned"<ref name="smithcall"/><ref>http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3235890&version=1&locale=EN- US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1</ref>
*Sen. [[Arlen Specter]] (R-PA), ranking Republican on [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  called failure to step down "bad for the Justice Department"<ref>[http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660214214,00.html]</ref>
*Sen. [[Chuck Hagel]] (R-NE): "lost the moral authority to lead"<ref>{{cite news
|first=Laurie
|last=Kellman
|url=http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/4809344.html
|title=Hagel demands Gonzales' resignation
|publisher=Associated Press
|date=2007-05-16
|accessdate=2007-05-16}}</ref>
*Rep. [[Dana Rohrabacher]] (R-CA):  "the president should have an attorney general who is less a personal friend and more professional in his approach" <ref>[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/15/politics/main2572891.shtml]</ref>
*Rep. [[Paul Gillmor]] (R-OH):  "lightning rod"<ref>[http://www.gillmorblog.com/?p=204]</ref>
*Rep. [[Vern Ehlers]] (R-MI):  "he's hurt the President by what he's doing ... he's damaged himself and the President"  <ref>{{cite news|accessdate=2007-04-22
|url=http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/michigan/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1063390
|title=Ehlers Says U.S. Attorney General Should Resign
|author=Goetz, Kaomi
|date=[[April 5]], [[2007]]
|work=Michigan Radio News
|publisher=[[National Public Radio|NPR]]}}</ref>	 
*Rep. [[Jon Porter]] (R-NV):  "egregiously mishandled," "we need to restore confidence"<ref> {{cite news
|accessdate=2007-04-22
|url=http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2007/apr/21/042110422.html
|title=Nevada Republican congressman calls for Gonzales to step down
|date=[[April 21]], [[2007]] |work=Las Vegas Sun}}</ref>

*Rep. [[Lee Terry]] (R-NE):  "I trusted him before, but I can't now"<ref>{{cite news
|accessdate=2006-04-16|url=http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com/media/storage/paper857/news/2007/04/10/Opinion/Bipartisan.Questioning.About.Gonzales.Needs.To.Continue-2830956.shtml
|title=Bipartisan questioning about Gonzales needs to continue
|date=[[April 10]], [[2007]]
|work=Daily Nebraskan}}</ref>
*Rep. [[Adam Putnam]] (R-FL), [[House Republican Conference Chairman]], 1st top House Republican to call for ouster:  "time for fresh leadership" <ref>[http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gonzales21apr21,1,2774695.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo]</ref>

'''In addition, several Republicans have been critical of Gonzales, without calling for his resignation or firing:'''
*Sen. [[John Cornyn]] (R-TX), member of [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "the way this has been handled has been deplorable"<ref>[http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/19/gonzales.testimony/index.html]</ref>
*Sen. [[John Ensign]] (R-NV), chairman of [[National Republican Senatorial Committee]]:  "incompetence," "they blew it" <ref>[http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2007/mar/22/566630993.html]</ref>
*Sen. [[Lindsey Graham]] (R-SC), member of [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary|Senate Judiciary Committee]]:  "some things ... just don't add up"
*Sen. [[Susan Collins]] (R-ME):  "I do not think he has served the president well"<ref>[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/16/politics/main2580260.shtml]"Will Gonzales Fall For Attorney Firings?"</ref>
*Rep. [[Jim Sensenbrenner]] (R-WI), member of House Judiciary Committee:  "could die by a thousand cuts"<ref>[http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/03/13/gonzales_accepts_resignation_of_top_aide/]</ref>

Republican Senators [[Trent Lott]] and [[Orrin Hatch]] have expressed support for Gonzales, although Hatch conceded that Gonzales had "bungled."<ref>[http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/25/fired.attorneys.ap/index.html]</ref>

'''Others''' <br>
Those calling for Gonzales' resignation have included Presidential contenders from both parties:<br> Republican Senator McCain <br>Democratic New Mexico Governor [[Bill Richardson]]<ref>{{cite news
|title=Richardson calls for Gonzales resignation
|url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18234322/
|work=KOB-TV
|publisher=MSNBC
|date=[[2007-04-20]]
|accessdate=2007-04-27}}</ref> and Senators Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, and Obama. 

[[University of Missouri–Columbia|University of Missouri]] [[law professor]] Frank Bowman<ref name=BowmanBio>{{cite web|accessdate=2007-05-05
|url=http://law.missouri.edu/faculty/bowmanf.html
|title=Frank O. Bowman III, Floyd R. Gibson Missouri Endowed Professor of Law
|work=Faculty
|publisher=University of Missouri School of Law}}</ref> has observed that Congress has the power to [[impeachment|impeach]] Gonzales if he willfully lied or withheld information from Congess during his testimony about the dismissal of U.S. Attorneys.<ref name=BowmanNYT>{{cite news
|title=He’s Impeachable, You Know
|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/opinion/03bowman.html
|publisher=''New York Times''
|author=Bowman, Frank
|date=[[2007-05-03]]
|accessdate=2007-05-05}}</ref>  Congress has impeached a sitting Cabinet member before; [[William Belknap]], [[Ulysses S. Grant]]'s [[United States Secretary of War|Secretary of War]], was impeached by the House in [[1876]] for bribery.  He resigned immediately, and by all accounts this was all that saved him from conviction and removal by the Senate.



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* Now implemented on the article. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 19:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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== Good Article? ==

What does this article need to improve from a B class biography to an actual Good Article?  <em>&mdash;[[User:Gaff|<span style="color:Indigo;">Gaff</span>]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Gaff|<b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b>]]</small></sup></em> 03:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Neutral point of view ==

Just to clarify what NPOV is, according to [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]]: <blockquote>
"The neutral point of view is a means of dealing with conflicting views. The policy requires that, where there are or have been conflicting views, these should be presented fairly. None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being the truth, and all significant published points of view are to be presented, not just the most popular one. It should also not be asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Readers are left to form their own opinions.</blockquote><blockquote>As the name suggests, the neutral point of view is a point of view, not the absence or elimination of viewpoints. It is a point of view that is neutral – that is neither sympathetic nor in opposition to its subject.<br />
    </blockquote><blockquote>Debates are described, represented, and characterized, but not engaged in. Background is provided on who believes what and why, and which view is more popular. Detailed articles might also contain the mutual evaluations of each viewpoint, but studiously refrain from stating which is better. One can think of unbiased writing as the fair, analytical description of all relevant sides of a debate. When bias towards one particular point of view can be detected, the article needs to be fixed."
</blockquote> --[[User:Jagz|Jagz]] 03:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The "Investigations" and "Later Career" sections have been edited by someone who was far from neutral.  The sections read as though they were written by Berty himself with unsourced statements like "leaving one to wonder whether McKay, one of the fired U.S. Attorneys, was trying to smear Gonzales for political or personal gain."  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.157.55.114|190.157.55.114]] ([[User talk:190.157.55.114|talk]]) 19:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Much of this article reads like Mr. Gonzales wrote it himself. Significant space is devoted to rehabilitating his reputation. I wonder if this article can be salvaged or should be started anew?  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:57Telecaster|57Telecaster]] ([[User talk:57Telecaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/57Telecaster|contribs]]) 22:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I came to this article to find information (I'm considering a job and need honest information) and it's clear I cannot trust anything on this page.  It reads like a political plant and is full of irrelevant quotes that do nothing but bolster one pov.  The end result is that I don't trust anything in it. Perhaps some of you need to learn the lesson that if you slant an article too strongly one way, the reader is forced to believe theh opposite of what you are trying to convey.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.194.250.201|74.194.250.201]] ([[User talk:74.194.250.201|talk]]) 23:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Yes Man? ==

The section declaring Gonzales to be a "yes man" is lifted from the Washington Post opinion page.  This clearly violates the neutrality Wikipedia pages should embody and ought to be removed.
::<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:134.173.165.116|134.173.165.116]] ([[User talk:134.173.165.116|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/134.173.165.116|contribs]]){{#if: May 10, 2007|&#32; May 10, 2007|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:The article doesn't "declare" Gonzales anything, it refers to his ''reputation''.  So the quote doesn't violate anything, it substantiates the claim.  If you think that the statement about Gonzales' reputation is insufficiently sourced, feel free to add others -- they are plentiful (google of "alberto gonzales" + "yes man" yields 10,800 hits).  Finally, please sign your contributions. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] 10:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::You get over a million hits if you google "bush" + "retard", but we don't have "reputation as a retard" under the "Criticisms of George W. Bush". I suggest you instead focus on particular controversies where Gonzales bucked public opinion to support the administration, rather than use the label "yes-man" as a controversy. Politicians get called all kinds of names by their opponents, but that isn't sufficient to constitute a substantive controversy. [[User:Djcastel|Djcastel]] 20:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree with Djcastel that having a "yes-man" section is POV. What's more, it isn't nearly as informative as a section which could describe, in non-inflammatory terms, the serious concern about having a person with close, personal loyalty to the President as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, whose job might require him to have enough independance to investigate figures within the administration, including the president himself. (Obviously a similar concern was expressed about Harriet Miers' nomination to the supreme court). There should be planty of good refs to rewrite this section in a substative way without calling Gonzales a "yes-man". -[[User:Rustavo|Rustavo]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rustavo|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Rustavo|Contribs]]</sup> 20:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
: Agreed. It's completely imbalanced. Repeating something POV is still POV if you only provide one side. The section should be quickly removed unless (1) a source that explains the controversy (rather than makes an accusation) can be found to replace it, and (2) some context can be provided that gives Gonzales a fair voice in the controversy. Besides, I'm not sure this even sure this constitutes a "controversy" - it's clearly a condemnation. [[User:Smtomak|Smtomak]] 08:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed the section. Perhaps a more complete section on "Reputation of Alberto Gonzales" can be written from a neutral point of view later. But a critical op-ed is not an appropriate way to start it. —[[User:Smtomak|Smtomak]] 12:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
:I added the "yes man" section back in the article per Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" policy discussed in the section above. Feel free to add a dissenting viewpoint to the article if you feel it necessary. --[[User:Jagz|Jagz]] 03:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry, I'm reverting this. The section's content is nothing more than a quote from a derogatory op-ed. This is unacceptable per [[WP:NPOV]] and more importantly [[WP:BLP]]. It's tantamount to saying "some say Larry King is a fascist" and supporting it with a quote that says the same. If you can find more dispassionate sources discussing Gonzales' reputation and history, I would gladly help you write an article based on them. :) --[[User:Smtomak|Smtomak]] 12:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Our government employees are just that and not kings or gods. I will put the section back in with more references. I am not going to attempt to put all available references into the article. I am not putting my views in the article, it is the published views of others. I don't care if you consider it derogatory. --[[User:Jagz|Jagz]] 16:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I am going to flag the section as {{[[Template:Unbalanced|Unbalanced]]}} for now and rework and expand it. I agree that there should be material about Gonzales' close and cooperative relationship with Bush, but it needs to be presented in a more neutral way than quoting an op-ed from a critic. I'm sure we can find a compromise. (The ABC source is good, by the way. Thanks.) --[[User:Smtomak|Smtomak]] 17:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Did/does Gonzales really have a personal relationship (friendship) with Bush outside of work? That's what the article says now. --[[User:Jagz|Jagz]] 18:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


== Evangelical? ==

Is there any basis for the statement "Gonzales had a Catholic upbringing, but now he is an evangelical Christian.[3]"?  I followed the reference and read the interview, but it only mentions that he was raised Catholic.

I noticed the same thing. The statement should be removed until we can find an actual reference.
—[[User:Ortchel|Ortchel]] 04:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. [[User:24.60.152.213|24.60.152.213]] 22:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Factual Documentation of Quotations Before the Senate? ==

Statements made by Gonzales before the sentate are public record.  I believe that we should make a seperate section of factual quotations by Gonzales such as 

“I went back and clarified my statement with a reporter.”
“Which was that and what was the reporters name?”
“Washington Post, two days later, Dan Eagan was the reporter”.
“What did you say to the reporter?”
“I did not speak directly to the reporter.”
“Oh wait a second, you did not.  Okay, what did your spokesperson say to the reporter?”
“I don’t know but….”

Does anyone else have an opinion on making a seperate section for Gonzalez quotes before teh senate?  Should we do it?  Would it get deleted?  I think factual quotes are very important to Wikipedia, and Gonzalez are just a riot.
[[User:Bridger.anderson|Bridger.anderson]] 20:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

==Birth Name==
What does the "R." in his name stand for?
[[User:Michaelsbll|Michaelsbll]] 09:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Republican? :) [[User:24.60.152.213|24.60.152.213]] 22:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==Significant omission==
This article does not once mention the word perjury (except for the title of a sourced used at the bottom). This is a significant omission that needs to be rectified. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 15:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
::Speaking of significant omissions, I noted that a section of the article was deleted and renamed from "Calls for resignation, firing, no-confidence resolution, and impeachment" to "Resignation." However, when I took a look at the version before this deletion, I found the following note:

::'''<nowiki>==Calls for resignation, firing, no-confidence resolution, and impeachment==</nowiki><br>
:::<nowiki><!-- NOTE: If this section title is renamed,</nowiki><br> 
:::<nowiki>        please put a note on [[Talk:Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy]],</nowiki><br>
:::<nowiki>        as that article links to this section</nowiki><br>
:::<nowiki> END NOTE --></nowiki>'''

::Was the Gonzales article corrected in the deleted section so this article properly links to the other one indicated in the note? 

::The deleted material does matter to those readers (both in and out of the U.S.) who want the history of how things got to where it is this present day, since the information was widely reported by media organizations and part of the record on the views of congressional members, regardless of whether Gonzales resigned or stayed in his post. The number of congressional members, particularly the Republicans, who called for Gonzales' resignation or leaned toward calls for his resignation is notable in itself. We can agree to disagree on that point, but for historical purposes, this information should have remained in the article. The deletion (and accompanying comments in the edit summaries) looked too much like "sanitizing" the content after the pressure was on (who decided unilaterally that readers know longer needed to know this?). The way the article reads is what he resigned out of the blue without any pressure to resign because of the controversies that swirled about him. Just my first and second impression of reading the article as a disinterested reader. 

::Also, I did not find anything noted on this talk page or the one for "Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy" about the deletion of this content about the congressional members (particularly since the deleted appears provide further information about the controversy about the dismissed attorneys); I only found a mention about changing the heading in this article, equally mentioned that content was without mentioning that the supporting content was also deleted. I expected that the deleted part of the would have remained mostly intact (with updates up to the resignation), with a separate section added, such as "Resignation from U.S. Attorney General post" or something similar, that speaks directly about the resignation itself. I hope that there's some reconsideration to retain the the fuller record for the career biography for future readers of this article. '''<span style="color:red;"><strong>→</strong></span>[[User:Lwalt|<span style="color:blue;">Lwalt</span>]]<sup>&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User talk:Lwalt|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]]</sup>''' 14:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I left a note on the talk page as requested. The laundry list of senators is now completely useless and just bloats an already-large article. Now that he's resigned, what's the point of quoting every single person who wanted him to resign? --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 19:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the message.  I put the list back on.  I think it is informative to see the depbth and breadth of the Congressional opposition to Gonzales as Attorney General and therefore helps inform the reader.  But my feelings are not too strong on this and I am willing to defer to community consensus if people don't think this is useful. [[User:Remember|Remember]] 13:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::Sure, the depth and breadth can be expressed - with a single sentence saying X number of senators and reps called for his ouster. I don't see why we need this large, tiny-fonted, vaguely useful list. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 13:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== resignation date ==

Which date is more appropriate to use? The friday discussion with the president, or the date of his official public announcement? Given that his press agent continued all weekend to deny, the press conference would be the first time he himself has said it where it can actually be attributed to him, instead of to 'unnamed officials', I wonder which is better. It's a minor point, but worth asking. [[User:ThuranX|ThuranX]] 13:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm of the opinion that today is the day he resigned (or will resign), but I agree it's a minor point. [[User:Benhocking|Ben Hocking]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Benhocking|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Benhocking|contribs]])</small></sup> 13:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:If he submitted his resignation on Friday the 24th, as is being reported by all the news sources, then that is the date of his resignation.  When it was reported to the public doesn't seem relevant.  The only question is when Bush accepted the resignation, which may be discussed at AG's or Bush's press conferences today. [[User:Fireplace|Fireplace]] 14:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::According to FOX News, the press conference will occur at 10:30 a.m. ET on August 27, 2007. According to that same report, an announcement will be made about Gonzales' temporary replacement. <strike>Solicitor General [[Paul McNulty]] is expected to be [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294705,00.html  named as the acting Attorney General] until he or another nominee has been confirmed by the Senate as the permanent replacement in this post.</strike> No longer the case, as Clements' name has been revealed as the acting AG starting about September 17. '''<span style="color:red;"><strong>→</strong></span>[[User:Lwalt|<span style="color:blue;">Lwalt</span>]]<sup>&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User talk:Lwalt|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]]</sup>''' 22:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

CNN is reporting his last day wlil be 16 September.  --[[User:MathewBrooks|MathewBrooks]] 14:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else think he timed it with John Steward and Stephen Colbert's vacations?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.27.89.122|84.27.89.122]] ([[User talk:84.27.89.122|talk]]) 20:23, August 27, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The resignation is still fresh, but I looked up this article partly to find out why there is a significant amount of time between the announcement of his resignation (today) and the 17 (or 16th) of September.  Is there any legal or logistical reason for this?  This question seems much more pertinent to me than the timing of the announcement being connected to any other events, such as Stewart/Colbert vacations (unlikely I think) or Democratic Primary Debates (somewhat more likely I think).  Thanks.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.254.205.53|66.254.205.53]] ([[User talk:66.254.205.53|talk]]) 02:04, August 28, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Jumping the gun? ==

I'm curious as to the appropriateness of proclaiming the AG's resignation so early, because, as of this writing, he hasn't made it official yet. The evidence we're going on is a New York Times story quoting an unnamed government official. While the NYT is certainly a reliable source, as an encyclopedia and not a news outlet, I'm wondering if we are being a little over eager in proclaiming the resignation when it has not yet been formally announced. -- 13:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:The NYT, WSJ, WaPo, CNN, BBC, etc., all confirm the resignation.  Those are sufficiently reliable sources.  [[User:Fireplace|Fireplace]] 14:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:I'll admit that you have a point about it preceding his official statement (less than 30 minutes from now), but per the NYT article he ''submitted'' his resignation on Friday, and per [http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/27/gonzales/index.html this CNN article] he ''resigned'' (past tense). [[User:Benhocking|Ben Hocking]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Benhocking|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Benhocking|contribs]])</small></sup> 14:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::(OP here) I'm not grousing about the tense of the announcement ("will resign"/"has resigned") - I'm commenting on making statements to that imply that it is a done deal, prior to the official announcement. Sure, multiple news sources report it, but you have to be careful of the journalistic echo chamber effect, where you have the BBC reporting that CNN has reported that ... . It's alright for a news source to jump on a story - they deal with time-critical items, and rush to be first. Wikipedia is not a news source, and ''as an encyclopedia'' the key is not to be first, but to be accurate. Even though he gave the resignation to the president on Friday, it was all hearsay until he actually announced it to the press. ''As an encyclopedia'', I'm unsure why we couldn't wait the 6 hours or so until the news was official. -- 18:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Acording to cnn.com his last say as AG will be September 16, acording to a "senior administration official".[[User:67.189.70.105|67.189.70.105]] 14:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Gonzales confirmed through his press conference today that he called in his resignation on Friday, August 24, and he will remain in his AG post until September 17, 2007. This same information is also reported at [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294705,00.html FOX News] and [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/27/AR2007082700372.html?hpid=artslot ''The Washington Post.''] '''<span style="color:red;"><strong>?</strong></span>[[User:Lwalt|<span style="color:blue;">Lwalt</span>]]<sup>&nbsp;?&nbsp;[[User talk:Lwalt|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]]</sup>''' 15:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:The way to address this is to cite the source in the reference, e.g. "According to an article in the August 27, 2007, issue of ''The New York Times,'' the Attorney General plans to announce his resignation." [[User:71.185.74.177|71.185.74.177]] 20:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== Who's a Fredo, what? ==
Innumerable journalists on [[msnbc]], [[cnn]], have claimed, confirmed, that George calls him "[[Fredo]]", which is a [[nickname]] f/ "[[Alfredo]]", which references each of "[[Al]]" & "[[Alberto]]".

That many of you have not seen it, heard it, does not prove that others of us had not heard nor seen.

Additionally, although that references Mr. Bush, there are other nicknames that Mr. Bush has not endorsed, that journalists frequently employ anyhow.  Some examples include "[[Gone-zales]]", "[[Gonezo]]", "Gonzo", et al.

Thank You,

[[ user : hopiakuta |&#91;&#91; hopiakuta ]] &#124; &#91;&#91; &#91;&#91; %c2%a1 ]] &#91;&#91; %c2%bf ]] &#91;&#91; %7e%7e ]] [[ %7e%7e ]] -]] 17:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hopefully this doesn't mean that Bush will send him out on a [[The Godfather Part II|fishing trip on a row boat on Lake Tahoe]]. [[User:KurdzenWeys|KurdzenWeys]] 19:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

======  -- 18:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC) ======
Many of us [[ignorami]] have poor vision, poor memory, a poor machine [computer, monitor, keyboard, interface-environment, poor brain,...]; we rely on legible [[signature]]s in order to figure what we're reading.  Seeing an art illegible [[sign]]ature, or nonsignature, makes it all  quite,....  yuk.  Please do help; clean your signature.

While I'm at it, I want to add another name question:
;Has anyone that you can recall written about the rare coincidence that "Alberto Gonzales" & "attorney general" are each "a. g."?  Also, many German corporations.  How many attorneys general have been "A. G. A. G.", nationally, state, versus state?  That, also, sounds like dna.

I do wonder what [[subliminal]] effect there might be; but, there is no way to test that.

Thank You,

[[ user : hopiakuta |&#91;&#91; hopiakuta ]] &#124; &#91;&#91; &#91;&#91; %c2%a1 ]] &#91;&#91; %c2%bf ]] &#91;&#91; %7e%7e ]] [[ %7e%7e ]] -]] 19:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== What was those picture?  ==

Who were posting those picture of.... it on the page?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BUNTING 1243|BUNTING 1243]] ([[User talk:BUNTING 1243|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BUNTING 1243|contribs]]) 00:14, August 28, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


it was a pair of penis pictures, likely put there by the guy who reverted it back again (T something). -[[User:Bobxii|Bobxii]] 00:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== Simply Amazed At the Edits of "Established" editors ==

I am simlpy amazed at the actions a number of "established editors" have taken regarding the resignation of General Gonzales. The page is semi-protected, but that doesn't seem to be enough. Perhaps we could explore full protection. We know that [[WP:CRYSTAL|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]], we know that Wikipedia recounts facts - not speculation, and yet some of us ''still'' make edits providing for an ending date for Gonzales' term, the name of Gonzales' successor, and other related edits. Just in the last few hours, [[User:Micahbrwn]], [[User:Sparrowman980]], and [[User:N734LQ]] have either ignored wikipedia policies or just refused to adhere to them. Here are the facts:
*Alberto Gonzales is the Attorney General. 
*Alberto Gonzales has announced his resignation, effective [[17 September]] [[2007]]
*Alberto Gonzales' term as Attorney General is neither completed nor expired and we do not know what the future will bring so we do not know if he will remain in office until 17 September or not.
*Alberto Gonzales' is the incumbent in office (See #1) and thus does not have a "Successor."

For the sake of Wikipedia policies and my own sanity, please stop changing his term end date, his successor, or other related information becuase "it's a given" or "it's gonna happen" or "he resigned today." 

[[User:JasonCNJ|JasonCNJ]] 06:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:Agreeing with JCNJ; wait until the resignation 'takes effect'. PS- we have this kind of trouble, everytime an 'office transition' is on the horizon; there's so many 'trigger finger' editors out there. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 22:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
::I admit to being the first one, but at the time I made the edits, it was thought he had already resigned. Since then I've been trying to keep it factual. :) --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 23:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== First Hispanic Attorney General? ==

He is the first Hispanic to hold the position of United States Attorney General.  I'm just wondering why ethnicity is prominently displayed on other politicians and White House officials' INTRODUCTION paragraphs (such as [[Condoleezza Rice]]'s), advertising their position as first minority to serve as _______, whereas the simplest mention of ethnicity or minority achievement on Gonzales' page gets immediately deleted.  Would I really have to cite a source saying that he's Hispanic?

I hold no preference in this issue, it's just seeing Wikipedia articles this inconsistent bugs me. --[[User:Exander|Exander]] 07:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)T

:I don't mind you adding in a sentence that says he ''is'' the first Hispanic U.S. Attorney General. My objection is you adding a sentence that says he ''was'' the first Hispanic U.S. Attorney General. He is currently in office, the announcement of his resignation notwithstanding. So it is improper to refer to his term in office in the past tense. [[User:JasonCNJ|JasonCNJ]] 14:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== War on Terror ==

I would submit that the term "War on Terror" is politically loaded, and for that reason not the best section heading.  I know it is something that the Bush government likes to use to, amongst other things, justify a number of questionable policies and actions.  It is a term in common usage and is, in terms of describing the content of the section, a good heading.  I would suggest, though, that a more politically neutral term be used, or perhaps putting the whole heading into quotes.  I will leave it to someone with more qualification than I have (a citizen of the USA perhaps) to find a better section heading. [[User:Peashy|Peashy]] 11:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== Citation 57 ==

The [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/washington/24cnd-attorneys.html?ex=1188360000&en=0cbfc7ae45364884&ei=5070 NY Times] reference needs to have an alt name, as the url is stretching the screen [[User:Lethesl|<span style="font-family:arial; color:#C71585;">''Le''</span>]][[User talk:Lethesl|<span style="font-family:arial; color:#DA70D6;">''the''</span>]] 11:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:Done! [[User:Pericles899|Pericles899]] 13:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you :-) [[User:Lethesl|<span style="font-family:arial; color:#C71585;">''Le''</span>]][[User talk:Lethesl|<span style="font-family:arial; color:#DA70D6;">''the''</span>]] 14:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

==Photo==
Regardless of the date of the photograph, it clearly depicts Gonzales being "chummy" eating dinner with Bush, so it logically belongs in the section on the controversy over his friendship with Bush...not in his resignation section. A photograph ''of the resignation announcement'' would belong there. [[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sherurcij|Speaker for the Dead]]) </sup> 05:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:The picture was taken on the Sunday that Gonzales handed his letter of resignation to Bush, and Bush accepted it. Bush had asked him to come to the Texas ranch when Gonzales called on the Friday before, telling him he intended to depart. The announcement was the day after the picture's date, on Monday. It should all be in the citations. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 12:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== # of attorneys fired ==
The number of attorneys fired in the scandal is inconsistent in the article, i.e. "Controversies" says 9, while "Dismissal..." says 8.  Both numbers have sources... The dismissal controversy's own page says 7 were fired in Dec 2006, with at least 2 others in 2005-2006.   I generally remember hearing 9 in media coverage, but is there a current popular consensus on which number is right?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Whirlingdervish|Whirlingdervish]] ([[User talk:Whirlingdervish|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whirlingdervish|contribs]]) 03:47, August 30, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: There were '''seven''' informed of their dismissal on December 7, 2006, and they actually departed from office over the next several months. '''One more''' was informed of his dismissal in June 2006, [[Bud Cummins]], USA for Eastern Arkansas, but no date of departure had been established then. (His replacement worked in his office from August or September 2006 onward). Cummins announced his resignation in mid-December, effective one week later, upon being informed of [[Tim Griffin]]'s actual appointment, so he is often lumped by media with the seven, '''making eight.'''  '''The ninth,''' [[Todd Graves]] USA for Western Missouri, was dismissed in the Winter of 2006, replaced by [[Bradley Schlozman]]. The press is wildly non-uniform in its numbering of the dismissals. Later on it has been revealed that other USAs were dismissed without explanation, so it's possible to count a higher number, and further, '''at least''' 26 USAs were on various dismissal candidate lists over the prior year. Here's the dismissal listing:  {{tl|Dismissed_attorneys_table}}.  You can see how it was handled in prose in the introductory paragraphs over on the [[Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy]].<br> -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 12:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess more than actually knowing the precise number (because I know that it is disputed) I was wondering if anyone had a good reason to choose one number over another for the purposes of changing this article to make it consistent.  Anyone have a good reason whether the article should uniformly say 7, 8, or 9 attorneys? The fact that the article reads 9, then several sentences later says 8, is not ok. [[User:Whirlingdervish|Whirlingdervish]] 21:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:I would would recommend nine, with explanation/justification similar to what I state above, with citations, and mentioning that there are others--at some place in the article.  (I believe that the DOJ/Gonzales never responded to Senator  Feinstein's request for specific numbers in her request to Gonzales for post-hearing supplemental Cogressional testimony/documents.)  Many citations are at the  affiliated attorney dismissal articles. The "timeline" probably is best for citations. Here's a quick navigation box: {{tl|Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy small}}<br> -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

::I aligned the text with "eight" and mentioned the existence of other dismissals, and the 26 candidate dismissals. Perhaps the ninth is warrented: Graves/Schlozman, but there are enough details in this article as it stands.-- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] 15:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

== Redirect problem ==

Please fix the redirect from Alberto Gonzalez because there is a baseball player with this name on the New York Yankees active roster.<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|69.80.175.235}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|69.80.175.235}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|69.80.175.235}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|September 2, 2007}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->


Instead of saying "Alberto Gonzales” redirects here. For the New York Yankees infielder, see Alberto Gonzalez (baseball player)., shouldn't it read "Alberto '''Gonzalez'''” redirects here. For the New York Yankees infielder, see Alberto Gonzalez (baseball player)?[[User:153.104.120.150|153.104.120.150]] 01:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


Under his picture it has 'assumed office' and succeded by incumbent. His last day of office was on Friday, September 14, 2007, not the 17th as it states in the article. This needs to be changed as well. Under his picture for term of office it should now read as February 3, 2005 - September 14, 2007. For succeded by it should say Solicitor General Paul Clement, at least until a permanent replacement is named and confirmed by the congress. [[User:Popeyecub77|Popeyecub77]] 00:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:His last business day was Friday; I think he officially leaves on the 17th. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 00:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

== Middle name, again ==

Shouldn't we be able to find this? [[User:John Kenney|john k]] ([[User talk:John Kenney|talk]]) 20:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Something Simple ==
I was reading up on the attorney representing Gonzales in his criminal proceedings.  It appears that the link on the page does not lead to correct person, rather it leads to a cinematographer by the same name.  Placing "George J. Terwilliger III," instead of "George Terwilliger" should do the trick.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nwtorres|Nwtorres]] ([[User talk:Nwtorres|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nwtorres|contribs]]) 17:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* Good point, done! [[User:Stuinzuri|Stuinzuri]] ([[User talk:Stuinzuri|talk]]) 13:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== District attorney firing thing ==
All that it was was that the democrats tried to make a scandal out of it. It is OK for the attorney general to fire the district attorneys and replace them. [[User:Footballfan190|Footballfan190]] ([[User talk:Footballfan190|talk]]) 22:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
* A few tens of thousand people, including the ranking republican member of the Senate Judiciary committee would differ with that assessment. See [[Dismissal of U.S. Attorneys controversy]] for a fuller context, with citations. It's the president that has dismissal authority. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] ([[User talk:Yellowdesk|talk]]) 00:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
* The question was never if the president had the power to fire the USAs. The question was if he, or by extension members of his administration, were trying to rid themselves of "independent" USAs and replace them with cronies that would be more amenable to doing the bidding of political appointees in the White House and DOJ. Ref: Graves fired in favor of Schlozman, who eagerly joined in a lawsuit against the Democratic Secretary of State of Missouri days before the Nov '06 elections, whereas Graves found the lawsuit groundless. (So did the judge who threw out the suit.) Also ref: Iglesias and McKay both fired after "refusing" to pursue groundless voter fraud charges made by state Republicans. [[User:Black max|Black Max]] ([[User talk:Black max|talk]]) 17:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Black Max

== Is this article appropriate for WikiProject Mexico? ==

This article is incorporated in WikiProject Mexico.  How appropriate is this?  Mr. Gonzales was not born in Mexico and the article does not say that he has citizenship in Mexico.  The article does say that he has ancestry in Mexico, but through his grandparents.  I'd understand WikiProject Canada incorporating Mike Myers because that fellow was born in the country and raise there but I wouldn't understand WikiProject England incorporating George Bush due to it being Mr. Bush's ancestry.  A more appropriate approach would follow the Winston Churchill article, which is not incorporated by some wikiproject on America even though his mum was American.  Maybe some wikiproject on Mexican-Americans may be more appropriate.  Unless there is some objection I think someone or myself should remove the wikiproject Mexico tag.[[User:EECavazos|EECavazos]] ([[User talk:EECavazos|talk]]) 20:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:I switched WikiProject Mexico with WikiProject Mexican-Americans because the first wikiproject was inaccurate while this second wikiproject is accurate.[[User:EECavazos|EECavazos]] ([[User talk:EECavazos|talk]]) 00:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Daily News ==

I placed references to a Daily News editorial against the subject.  Is there any editorial in his favor, just to make this [[WP:NPOV]]? [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 19:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

==Charges to be filed today?==

[[Scott Horton]] reported yesterday that charges were to filed today against '''''"The Bush Six"'''''.  I figure the best way to cover this material would be to a single article that dealt with the charges in detail.  I started to prepare a draft [[User:Geo Swan/not ready yet/Spanish prosecution of former Bush administration officials|here]].  Comments to it are welcome at its [[User talk:Geo Swan/not ready yet/Spanish prosecution of former Bush administration officials|talk page]]. I figured the articles about the six men should each have a relatively small section that sets the context for the charges for that particular man, and then refers readers to the main article, via {{tl|see}} or {{tl|main}}.  [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|talk]]) 15:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

==''The President's Counselor''==
Probably the single best biography on the market is Bill Minutaglio's ''The President's Counselor.'' Minutaglio is a Texas-based journalist with excellent sources. Though Gonzales refused to cooperate with the book, many family and friends did, and the book is detailed and even-handed. Its only "flaw" is that it only goes up to Gonzales's ascension to the Attorney General position. This article could be vastly improved with inclusion of content from Minutaglio's book. [[User:Black max|Black Max]] ([[User talk:Black max|talk]]) 19:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Black Max

== Dismissal of US Attorneys section ==

This section is quite biased in favor of Gonzales and the Bush administration, and skillfully so. Most of the material favors Gonzales, especially in the section that "exonerates" him, and the material that goes against him is presented in an offhand, dismissive fashion. Very POV. [[User:Black max|Black Max]] ([[User talk:Black max|talk]]) 17:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Black Max

==Lead==
I would remove this sentence: "Gonzales's tenure as U.S. Attorney General was marked by controversy regarding warrantless surveillance and regarding whether the administration had authorized torture."  I don't think that stuff was as important in getting him to resign as was the US Attorney firings.  Most of the surveillance and torture/interrogation decisions were made long before Gonzales became Attorney General.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 04:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

*Perhaps that is the case. It is arguable, and yet it is also it is referenced. It was part of his credibility problem. He also lost all credibility with 30 Senators of both parties who found it unacceptable, among other things, that his standard of  ethics was "we didn't do anything illegal" and who publicly called for his resignation.   He was a proponent of the continuation of a version of warrantless surveillance while in the White House, which nearly caused the resignation of 30-odd most senior DOJ appointees. After James Comey's testimony, it's fair to say Gonzales was inextricably associated with the  warrantless surveillance issues with a wider group than the Senate.
::"Lawmakers also questioned Gonzales's truthfulness in testifying that a National Security Agency surveillance program had not provoked any serious dissent among Justice lawyers. Testimony and documents showed that half a dozen senior Justice and FBI officials were prepared to resign in early 2004 because they had concluded that the program was illegal and required changes.[1]
::"Gonzales's public image also took a hit when a former deputy attorney general and the FBI director both said that he had tried to pressure then-Attorney General John D. Ashcroft into certifying that the program was legal, while Ashcroft was ill and in the hospital recovering from surgery. Gonzales eventually clarified his remarks on the NSA program and said he did not intend to mislead Congress.[1]
::[1] {{cite news | url = http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/27/AR2007082700372_2.html | title = The Gonzales Resignation | work = Washington Post | date =  August 27, 2007 }}

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::::Thanks for the reply, Yellowdesk.  I certainly have no objection to covering that stuff in the article, but in the lead maybe not.  You make an argument about surveillance, but how about torture.  For whatever it may be worth, the [[Eric Holder]] lead says nothing about surveillance, or fast & furious.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 04:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

* Recall that the next AG nominee received close questioning on torture. That's a very good indicator, without digging up citations. <br>[[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] ([[User talk:Yellowdesk|talk]]) 11:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, I do recall that, which is a good reason to cover it in this BLP.  It's the lead that I'm concerned about.  I think the standard is to just put the matter-of-fact stuff in the leads of AGs.  For instance Holder was the first AG in contempt of the House,[http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/politics/holder-contempt] but his lead properly doesn't mention it.  I'll leave it as-is unless others weigh in, or you change your mind.  Cheers.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 19:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

::* Perhaps your interest is best undertaken with a conversation about changing the Holder article.  <br> In any case the paragraph summarizes the key reasons that in Gonzales's words, it was "in the best interests of the department" to depart. That translates into an understanding that there was grave hostility to Gonzales on both the House and Senate committees that supervise the Department of Justice, and their disbelief in Gonzales's statements.  Perhaps the lede paragraph on the time as AG can be added to, to expand upon the summary of the AG period of his life.  His accomplishments in the White House could be mentioned, as well. From an historical perspective, it actually is remarkable that any AG resigns under such a black cloud of lost credibility, and why that is the case. That black cloud continues in his life. He's not teaching at Harvard, Yale, UPenn, UMichigan, or any other leading law school. That is a measure of the reputation and accomplishment achieved while in the AG's office, and thus the key items relating to his departure are worthy of mentioning in the lede.<br>--[[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] ([[User talk:Yellowdesk|talk]]) 02:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
::::Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about why he isn't teaching at Harvard.  Maybe he doesn't like people who he thinks are snobs, or maybe he doesn't want to live in very liberal Massachusetts, or maybe he prefers southern weather, or maybe Harvard discriminates in favor of liberals.   [[Paul Dirac]] was one of the great physicists who ever lived, and he spent much of his later life at the University of Miami and Florida State University, which certainly doesn't imply that Dirac was some sort of pariah. Anyway, my view is that there is now enough (maybe more than enough) info in the lead to give readers an idea why he resigned.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 03:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
::* For the record, Gonzales received a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Harvard Law School in 1982. <br>--[[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] ([[User talk:Yellowdesk|talk]]) 18:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::That's correct.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 18:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

==I Don't Recall==
There should be some mention of his famous congressional testimony where he answered so many questions evasively with "I Don't Recall"  [[Special:Contributions/96.251.137.43|96.251.137.43]] ([[User talk:96.251.137.43|talk]]) 15:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

== regarding enhanced interrogation ==
<s>[[User:Ich|Ich]], your recent edit here regarding Enhanced Interrogation Techniques smacks of POV, and, as such, I have reverted it. The official name is Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, and the lede already makes clear some people identify it as torture. It should be their opinion – not Wikipedia's. Looking at your user page, I see you live in New York City, so I'm guessing you're a liberal Democrat. You're entitled to your political views, of course. However, Wikipedia is not a soapbox for you to ''advocate'' your political views. Abandon that behavior now, please. [[User:Redhood6889|Redhood6889]] ([[User talk:Redhood6889|talk]]) 16:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Three quick points: I see your point am fine with the wording as it presently is. I see the use of the term "EIT" as a whitewash of the practice of torture (the EIT page makes that abundantly clear). I am neither liberal nor a Democrat; my political views are generally a non-partisan respect for human rights and the rule of law. Thank you for your polite and respectful response.-[[User:Ich|Ich]] <span style="font-size: 87%">([[User_talk:Ich|talk]])</span> 01:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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