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==Revise==
In the United States, Comic-Con, Comic Con, and ComicCon are registered trademarks owned by San Diego Comic-Con International.[1]
San Diego Comic-Con International does not have trademark for "comic con" or "comiccon". It abandoned it "comic con" and never filed for "comiccon". The article is not accurate. Check the PTO office for valid info.
US Serial Number:	74706192	Application Filing Date:	Jul. 26, 1995
Register:	Principal
Mark Type:	Service Mark
TM5 Common Status Descriptor:	TM5 Common Status image	
DEAD/APPLICATION/Refused/Dismissed or Invalidated
This trademark application was refused, dismissed, or invalidated by the Office and this application is no longer active.
Status:	Abandoned after an inter partes decision by the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board. For further information, see TTABVUE on the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board web page.

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:No, this is [[WP:OR|original research]] and a misunderstanding of that original research. See the detailed response concerning a similar edit at [[Talk:List of generic and genericized trademarks#Comic Con]]. [[User:TJRC|TJRC]] ([[User talk:TJRC|talk]]) 23:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== One of these Comic-Cons should be the default page ==

''Comic-Con'' is widely used in WP with no qualification as to which of the dozen or so editions of it is being referred to. That means that one of these is considerably better known than the others and ought to be the default article instead of just one of many listings on a disambiguation page. I would guess that the San Diego Comic-Con is the most famous one, the one usually referred to in WP simply as ''Comic-Con'', since several of the others are identified here as "not affiliated with the San Diego Comic-Con," but I do not know enough to make that change myself. Someone who does know, PLEASE elevate whichever of these is the most famous Comic-Con to be the default article so it is not jumbled up here with the also-rans. THANK YOU!--[[User:Jim10701|Jim10701]] ([[User talk:Jim10701|talk]]) 13:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


SD is the most famous, but not by enough to be the "main page"  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.173.226.236|199.173.226.236]] ([[User talk:199.173.226.236|talk]]) 18:11, 1 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I'd say the TV Guide Comic-Con special shows what is generally meant by Comic-Con. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
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The result of the move request was: '''moved'''. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 12:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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[[:Comic-Con]] → {{no redirect|Comic Con}} – "Comic-Con" with a dash is a properly held mark of [[San Diego Comic-Con]]/Comic-Con International. See: USPTO trademark [http://trademarks.justia.com/787/14/comic-con-78714077.html 78714077]. "Comic Con" without the dash has a more genericized usage, however it is still problematic: the increasing number of 'recent' for-profit pop culture conventions calling themselves "Comic Con" have been banking on the history and media attention that the original and biggest non-profit convention has-- and intentionally causing trademark dilution/confusion. In particular, [[Wizard Entertainment]] has been rebranding all of its 'traveling' conventions from "Wizard World" to ''CITY X'' Comic Con (see: [[Wizard_World#Conventions]]), which make up the bulk of the listings in the US. <small><small>--'''Relisted.''' [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 07:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)</small></small> [[User:HidariMigi|HidariMigi]] ([[User talk:HidariMigi|talk]]) 04:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''',  I personally think San Diego CC are being quite mean about this and law suits are flying, [http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2014/08/11/337257.htm],[http://www.heraldextra.com/entertainment/special/comic-con/san-diego-comic-con-officially-files-lawsuit-against-salt-lake/article_332b66d3-0f69-5a0f-908c-dae3ce94dddd.html],[http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/29396.html], not just for comic-con but for comic con as well.  See bottom of: [http://www.comic-con.org/about www.comic-con.org/about] to read "© 2014 SAN DIEGO COMIC CONVENTION Comic-Con, the Comic-Con logo, and the WonderCon logo are registered trademarks of San Diego Comic Convention."  (Can you please collect any hyphens and send them to me :) [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] ([[User talk:Gregkaye|talk]]) 14:24, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''': As for whether Comic-Con International is being 'mean' that's going to be for the courts to decide. The PR campaign being run by for-profit [[Dan Farr]] Productions, producer of Salt Lake Comic Con, is making themselves out to be the 'David' against the non-profit San Diego Comic-Con's Goliath-- but the truth is many newly (post-2010) branded conventions are using the name "Comic Con" precisely because of its name recognition with media-popular SDCC. (As an FYI, "Salt Lake Comic Con/Fan Xperience" was founded in 2013.) Prior to this sudden influx of newly minted conventions, I'd only heard "Comic-Con" (or even spelt "ComicCon") refer to ''the'' Comic-Con in San Diego- other conventions had their own unique and distinguishing names. (For example, [[CONvergence]]; [[Starfest]]; [[OrlandoCon]]) "Comic Con" wasn't in generic usage until companies like Wizard Entertainment started to dilute the name recognition with their rebranded and expanded city tour. The move could possibly be traced to the founding of [[New York Comic Con]] in 2006; and Wizard's 2009 acquisition of Big Apple Con, which it renamed [[Big Apple Comic Con]]. The heart (and confusing part) of the matter? The neo-conventions don't actually have a specific focus on comic-books at all; they're just a new variation of [[science fiction convention]]s. --[[User:HidariMigi|HidariMigi]] ([[User talk:HidariMigi|talk]]) 09:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I agree with the move due to most conventions using Comic Con. [[User:Esw01407|Esw01407]] ([[User talk:Esw01407|talk]]) 02:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' An argument has been made that the dashless "comic con" is short for "comic convention", and is a generic term.  But I've noticed some of the "X Comic Con" shows will occasionally refer to themselves as "Comic Con" with out "X" city preceding it.  For example, on Salt Lake Comic Con's website, there is a countdown timer which reads "Countdown to Comic Con!"  If "comic con" is a generic term for "comic convention", shouldn't it read "Countdown to ''the'' comic con!"?  While some "cons", such as Baltimore Comic Con, have used the Comic Con moniker for many years, I've never seen them refer to themselves as just "Comic Con"; there is always Baltimore in the front.  I agree that many of the recent for-profit cons are "co-referring" to themselves as "Comic Con" (without the city's name preceding it) to capitalize on the intense media attention San Diego Comic-Con has garnered in recent years.--[[User:Thankstelfair|Thankstelfair]] ([[User talk:Thankstelfair|talk]]) 09:24, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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== Merge ==
{{atop|The result of the discussion is '''merge into [[List of comic book conventions]]'''. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 06:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)}}
Most of the ones listed here also feature in [[List of comic book conventions]]. Would it be ideal to merge the two articles? [[User:Mark the train|MT Train]]<sup>[[User talk:Mark the train|''Discuss'']]</sup> 12:03, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

:There are important legal proceedings going on currently around the term "comic con" whether it is generic or a trademark. http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92066389&pty=CAN&eno=1

:There is a distinction between a comic book convention and a comic con. This is an attempt to remove a term being decided in Federal Court as of 11/30/2017 and has yet to be decided in the Patent and Trademark Office. The Federal Court ruling will be likely appealed as "comic con" is a generic term. There should be a section for "comic con"s, numerous conventions named comic con and another one for comic book conventions. Comic Con by definition is a celebration of pop culture and comic book conventions are literally described. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900004704/can-salt-lake-comic-con-win-over-san-diego-jurors-in-impactful-trademark-case.html <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.147.0.33|12.147.0.33]] ([[User talk:12.147.0.33#top|talk]]) 13:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC)</small>

* '''Support'''. 12.147.0.33's comment doesn't address the central point of [[User:Mark the train|MT Train]]'s proposal, which is that both this article and [[List of comic book conventions]] are lists of comic conventions. The only distinction between them is that this one is a lost of such conventions that include "comic-con", "comic con", "comiccon" or some similar variant in their names, and that's not a material distinction.
:As an aside the article is almost entirely unreferenced, and the unreferenced material should not be merged. Given that the only referenced item in the article is the San Diego convention, and that's already in the target, there's really nothing to "merge" here; the merge should be nothing more than a redirect. [[User:TJRC|TJRC]] ([[User talk:TJRC|talk]]) 00:50, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
* '''No''' This should wait for the trial verdict because if defendants win, 'comic-con' and 'comic con' will be legally interchangeable and generic. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/jury-decide-not-comic-con-has-become-generic-1041422 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4056439-Comic-Con-Sj.html  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WhatIfWeCould|WhatIfWeCould]] ([[User talk:WhatIfWeCould#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatIfWeCould|contribs]]) 21:36, 3 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Check the above move discussion. There are no issues in using the term ''Comic Con'' as of now. Many conventions presently go by ''Xyz comic con''. [[User:Mark the train|MT Train]]<sup>[[User talk:Mark the train|''Discuss'']]</sup> 14:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' At the moment this page is little more than a DAB page, and [[Comic Con (disambiguation)]] already serves this purpose. [[User:Lizard the Wizard|<span style="color:#008000;">Lizard</span>]] ([[User talk:Lizard the Wizard|talk]]) 00:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
:'''Cautious support''' per TJRC. The legal distinction is perhaps worth considering, but either way each instance of comic-con is also a comic book convention that belongs on the list. This shouldn't be a simple DAB-page since all of the items are related. [[User:Prinsgezinde|Prinsgezinde]] ([[User talk:Prinsgezinde|talk]]) 20:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' As per Lizard. There is much duplication between the two, and anyone interested in finding just the ones named "Comic Con" or variations can do a simple search. The articles would have more utility if the contents were in one place. [[User:HidariMigi|HidariMigi]] ([[User talk:HidariMigi|talk]]) 04:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
*'''Against, speedy close''': The Comic Con article is about conventions with the name Comic Con. [[Special:Contributions/189.69.76.136|189.69.76.136]] ([[User talk:189.69.76.136|talk]]) 14:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Both lists are very similar [[List of comic book conventions]] has most if not all of these conventions listed already. I don't see a reason to have two separate pages and should be merged. [[User:Gameinfirmary|Gameinfirmary]] ([[User talk:Gameinfirmary|talk]]) 03:59, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
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