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== Requested move 27 October 2019 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''consensus to move''' the pages to [[Digital Automated Identification System]] and [[Digital Accessible Information System]] at this time, per the discussion below. {{#if:|<small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>|{{#if:|<small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small>}}}} [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 04:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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* [[:Digital Automated Identification SYstem (DAISY)]] → {{no redirect|Digital automated identification system}}
* [[:DAISY]] → {{no redirect|Digital accessible information system}}
– First of all, AFAIK, Wikipedia ''never'' uses article titles that both explain an abbreviation and also redundantly display the abbreviation itself in parentheses the way this one is doing – we should pick just one form or the other. Second, the use of two capital letters in "SYstem" in this title is contrary to [[MOS:TM]]'s instruction to follow ordinary English styling and [[sentence case]]. Wikipedia doesn't use capital letters in its titles just to illustrate how to abbreviate something; [[sentence case]] is preferred. And thirdly, are we really confident that yesterday's [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]] move of {{-r|DAISY Digital Talking Book}} to {{-r|DAISY}} is appropriate? Is it really a proper primary topic for "DAISY"? —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 07:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC) <small>—'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 00:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)</small>
{{collapse top|Original close, which was overturned and relisted following [[Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2019_November|a move review]]}}
The result of the move request was: '''Moved'''. Despite poor consensus, it seems clear that [[MOS:TM]] is being violated here. Assistance with the '''merge''' would be appreciated. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> <span style="color:#CD0000"><small>comrade </small>[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span>  17:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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*It looks like both are usually known as "DAISY" - possibly use this with disambiguation added. If the longer names are used, they should be in title case, as they are names of a specific system and a specific standard. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|talk]]) 10:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Relisting comment''' - there was a move review at [[Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2019_November]], and consensus was to overturn and relist, as discussion was ongoing. {{u|Barrelproof}}, {{u|Peter James}}, plus any other interested parties, please discuss the issues around the two titles, and come up with a consensus agreement about the best way forward. The two articles have been restored to their long-term stable titles in the meatntime. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 00:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
*I don't object to moving them to {{-r|Digital Automated Identification System}} and {{-r|Digital Accessible Information System}}, on the basis of the assertion by [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] that they are [[proper name]]s. I also do not object to using something like {{-r|DAISY (species identification)}} or {{-r|DAISY (publication format)}} / {{-r|DAISY (technical standard)}} / {{-r|DAISY (talking book format)}}, if the abbreviation is more recognizable than the spelled-out name in one or both cases. These issues are not what I was complaining about when I proposed the moves. I'm glad to see the discussion reopened, since I wasn't very confident of the outcome myself. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 01:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
* I'm a completely disinterested party, but presumably I am also welcome to comment. Four points (largely agreeing with BarrelProof):
** [[WP:AT#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations]] is quite clear: "It is also unnecessary to include an acronym in addition to the name in a title". 
** In the expansion of the acronym, each word should have an initial capital per [[WP:NCCAPS]]. (This also applies in the running text, not just the title.) There are lots of digital automated identification systems, but only one Digital Automated Identification System. 
** If there's ambiguity in what DAISY means, then place the articles at the expanded titles per [[WP:NATURALDIS]], and use the DAB at [[DAISY]] (or [[Daisy]]) to disambiguate. (Currently the first redirects to the second.)
** The proposed disambiguators "DAISY (technical standard)" and so on may be useful as redirects. I can imagine they are in fact [[backronym]]s: for if not, the talking book format could have memorably be called "DAIS", since a [[dais]] is a platform supporting a book...
* [[Special:Contributions/85.238.91.41|85.238.91.41]] ([[User talk:85.238.91.41|talk]]) 05:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
**Of course you're "welcome to comment"! I'm glad you're here. "DAIS" is an interesting idea, but maybe they didn't think of it. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 06:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per BarrelProof: move the one about the talkng book (was [[Digital accessible information system]], now [[DAISY Digital Talking Book]]) to [[Digital Accessible Information System]], and move the one about the species id system ([[Digital Automated Identification SYstem (DAISY)]]) to [[Digital Automated Identification System]], and change the entries at disambiguation page [[Daisy]].  [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 14:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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== Proposed merge with [[DAISY]] ==

<s>See discussion at [[Special:Permalink/924742465]] <span style="color:#CD0000"><small>comrade </small>[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span>  17:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)</s>

:{{re|Waddie96}} I'm not sure what you're trying to do here. [[DAISY]] is now a redirect to the disambiguation page [[Daisy]].  [[Digital automated identification system]] and [[Digital accessible information system]] are two completely different things. There no pages to merge. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 10:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
::Right, merge '''withdrawn'''. <span style="color:#CD0000"><small>comrade </small>[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span>  08:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)