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== COI editing ==

This article needs to be checked properly. Way too much COI editing is going on here. There should be a way of suggesting to companies that it is not OK to edit your Wikipedia page by yourself. --[[User:Lemongirl942|Lemongirl942]] ([[User talk:Lemongirl942|talk]]) 08:47, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

== Updating the Grab page ==

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By way of introduction, my name is Claire and I'm an employee at Grab. I'm hoping to work with an editor on updating this page. As a start, I'd like to propose the following changes to the first paragraph to explain Grab's services, key milestone (the rebrand from GrabTaxi to Grab) and the latest number of drivers and app downloads:

Grab (formerly known as GrabTaxi or MyTeksi in Malaysia) is a mobile internet company and ride-hailing platform in Southeast Asia with several different on-demand services, including GrabTaxi (taxi-hailing), GrabCar (private-car hailing), GrabBike (motorcycle taxi-hailing) , GrabHitch (commuter social ridesharing) GrabExpress (delivery service) and GrabFood (food delivery). <ref>{{cite news|url=http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/27/grab-grab-grab/}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |url=https://www.techinasia.com/grabfood-ridehailing-app-gojek-food-delivery}}</ref>
	
In January 2016, the company formally rebranded itself as “Grab”, removing “Taxi” from its name to represent the other transportation services beyond just taxi-hailing. The company also revealed a new logo. <ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.techinasia.com/grabtaxi-call-me-grab}}</ref> 

As of October 2016, Grab has more than 460,000 drivers on the platform in Southeast Asia, and the mobile app has been downloaded onto more than 23 million devices. <ref>{{cite news|url=http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/AC/Grab-partners-with-CapitaLand-to-boost-network-infrastructure}}</ref>

[[User:Cclaire|Cclaire]] ([[User talk:Cclaire|talk]]) 08:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
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:Hello {{u|Cclaire}}. Thank you for requesting edits. I will have a look at your sources and reply soon. --[[User:Lemongirl942|Lemongirl942]] ([[User talk:Lemongirl942|talk]]) 11:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Cclaire}}. I've had a look at your edit request and I have a few concerns. You want to include:
::''In January 2016, the company formally rebranded itself as “Grab”, removing “Taxi” from its name '''to represent the other transportation services beyond just taxi-hailing'''.''
:However, this does not sound encyclopaedic and sounds like something from an advertisement. This doesn't belong in the lead article: the bolded bit of the sentence is what I most disagree with. This  sentence should be removed.
:Another issue is that the first sentence is rather long; it should describe what the company is and maybe list its most well known products, for example. They can be mentioned later in the article or else in a separate sentence in the lead. The issue with the logo can be dealt with in the main body. Your sources need formatted too.
:These are my only concerns, however. When you reply, remember to reactivate the edit request template or ping me and I'll have a look again. <b>[[User:St170e|st170e]]</b><sup><i><small>[[User talk:St170e|talk]]</small></i></sup> 01:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== Grab Net income ==

In the upper right corner it is stated that Grab made a net income of about 82 mil. dollars. However, if you click on the link provided (which leads to an article by Forbes.com), it is clear that the company produces a loss 82. mio Dollars  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/160.46.252.18|160.46.252.18]] ([[User talk:160.46.252.18#top|talk]]) 09:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:: [[User talk:160.46.252.18]], as you can see, it is a red downward arrow showing loss of 82 million in the infobox. Nothing wrong with that. Unless you define the down red arrow as positive income. Please, don't spread the fud.[[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 10:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
:: "Is Grab making a profit?
Since its inception in 2012, the '''Singapore'''-based company has not churned out a single dollar of '''profit'''. Though it does claim to be '''profitable''' in some 'verticals', such as food delivery, '''Grab''' has yet to publicly explain how much, when and where it earns '''profit''' in precise terms.Jul 14, 2020, https://southeastasiaglobe.com/will-grab-survive-covid19-singapore/ , sincerely, [[User:SvenAERTS|SvenAERTS]] ([[User talk:SvenAERTS|talk]]) 21:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

==Some proposed changes==

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Hi, I am an employee of Grab and would like to propose some changes to this page:

Information to be removed: On the sidebar under key people, propose to remove John Chua (Head of Corporate Finance); Explanation of issue: John Chua is a regular employee of Grab. 

Information to be removed: Under the history section, propose to remove this sentence: In anticipation for an IPO, Grab hired former Lehman Brothers banker, John Chua, to head corporate finance; Explanation of issue: This information was added with no reference to a credible source. In a media interview in July 2018, Grab CEO said there is no immediate need for an IPO.  <ref> https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/grab-ceo-says-no-immediate-need-for-ipo-10516014 </ref>

[[User:Ccpcgr|Ccpcgr]] ([[User talk:Ccpcgr|talk]]) 03:27, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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===Reply 20-DEC-2018===
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* Two paragraphs of text which were insufficiently paraphrased from the source material have been omitted, per [[WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE]].
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== Dubious ==

I think [[Go-Jek]] would dispute that Grab is the "only" major player in the region? Although Grab does have a de facto monopoly in some places like Malaysia. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 04:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

== GrabFood and GrabWheel? ==

No GrabFood and GrabWheel and the ongoing deregulations of PMDs affecting both operations? [[User:Robertsky|robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 06:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

== Deletion of content ==

{{re|Feinoa}} Could you explain why your edits are persistently removing content, particularly about the historical information about Grab? You have been edit warring over a long period time it seems [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=905815867&diff=prev], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=906116586&diff=prev], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=906150603&diff=prev], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=910599750&diff=prev], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=926713394&diff=prev], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=927304865&diff=prev] without any attempt at opening a discussion.--[[User:DreamLinker|DreamLinker]] ([[User talk:DreamLinker|talk]]) 03:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

== Website link ==

I'm curious--why wasn't their website linked here until I added it now? Seems like a weird thing to be omitted just like that. Anything problematic about it? [[Special:Contributions/2A01:11BF:505:6800:DDA4:3867:F7CC:2064|2A01:11BF:505:6800:DDA4:3867:F7CC:2064]] ([[User talk:2A01:11BF:505:6800:DDA4:3867:F7CC:2064|talk]]) 14:45, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
: Any comment maybe? [[Special:Contributions/2A01:11BF:505:6800:DD1D:512A:87E5:38CF|2A01:11BF:505:6800:DD1D:512A:87E5:38CF]] ([[User talk:2A01:11BF:505:6800:DD1D:512A:87E5:38CF|talk]]) 17:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:: Hello, any comment? [[Special:Contributions/2A01:11BF:505:6800:7407:C3FB:7DB:E535|2A01:11BF:505:6800:7407:C3FB:7DB:E535]] ([[User talk:2A01:11BF:505:6800:7407:C3FB:7DB:E535|talk]]) 16:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

== Lead Section ==

Hello editors, I'm using this space to discuss two rounds of edits that been reverted. I'm neither part of Grab Holdings Inc. nor get paid to make the contribution. I work with a vendor that's in association with the company.

I would like to propose the following changes in reference to my earlier edits, along with arguments in favor of the edits.

1. Information to be edited: Grab Holdings Inc., commonly known as Grab, is a Singaporean multinational company headquartered in Queenstown, Singapore.
Requested edit: Grab Holdings Inc., commonly known as Grab, is a Southeast Asia technology company headquartered in Singapore.
Reason for change: They don't have the headquarters in Queenstown anymore, have spread out to different ASEAN countries, hence the Southeast Asia reference. Furthermore, they wish to be rebranded as a technology company with a superapp instead of a transport company.

2. Information to be edited: In addition to transportation, the company offers food delivery and digital payments services via a mobile app.
Requested edit: In addition to mobility, the company offers food delivery, digital payments services and financial payments via a superapp.
Reason for change: They need to be recognized as a 'superapp' like Gojek as they've evolved from being referred to a mobile app for ride-hailing.

3. Information to be edited: It mostly operates in Asia, specifically the countries of Singapore, Malaysia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Myanmar, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam and Japan.
Requested edit: It is Southeast Asia's first "decacorn" (a startup with a valuation of over US$10 billion).
Reason for change: They don't operate in Japan anymore. Please remove the associated citation as well.

4. Information to be edited: It is Southeast Asia's first "decacorn" (a startup with a valuation of over US$10 billion).
Requested edit: It is Southeast Asia's first "decacorn".
Reason for change: They are going public this year, and the valuation has risen to over US$40 billion. Please refer to [https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen/2021/04/14/singapore-superapp-grab-to-go-public-with-40-billion-valuation-in-spac-deal/?sh=4be21f6c3f60 this recent Forbes article] and add the citation.

I'm just trying to make the Lead Section factually correct since this tends to show up on the Knowledge Graph and is often seen by investors and well-wishers of Grab. Thanks and have a good day. [[User:Momalord|Momalord]] ([[User talk:Momalord|talk]]) 11:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

:{{Small|(from [[wp:feedback request service|feedback request service]])}} {{Reply to|Momalord}} This looks like an [[wp:edit request|edit request]] to me.  Have you considered using that instead of a RFC? ~ [[User:Aseleste|<span style="font-family:monospace">Aseleste</span>]] ([[User talk:Aseleste|t]], [[Special:EmailUser/Aseleste|e]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Aseleste|c]], [[Special:Log/Aseleste|l]]) 14:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Momalord, to make such changes we would need reliable secondary sources, and these have to directly support the relevant information. For example, the Forbes article doesn't mention the decacorn terminology, nor that they would be the first. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Momalord}} what is your [[WP:RFCBRIEF|brief and neutral statement]]? At over 2,500 bytes, the statement above (from the {{tlx|rfc}} tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for {{user|Legobot}} to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Economy, trade, and companies]]. The RfC may also not be publicised through [[WP:FRS]] until a shorter statement is provided. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Redrose64}} For what it's worth, the FRS did summon me here. [[User:Gaelan|Gaelan]] [[User_talk:Gaelan|💬]][[Special:Contributions/Gaelan|✏️]] 21:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

{{Reply to|Aseleste}} Noted, my bad.
{{Reply to|Chipmunkdavis}} Please refer to these URLs for each edit I had requested:
1. Operations in SEA: [https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/grab-new-headquarters-in-singapore-one-north-11185934 Grab to get new S$181 million headquarters in Singapore]
2. Headquartered in SG: [https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-grab-plans-build-new-hq-building-singapore-s1812-million Grab plans to build a new HQ building in Singapore for S$181.2 million], [https://www.asiaone.com/business/grab-plans-build-new-hq-building-singapore-1812-million Grab plans to build a new HQ building in Singapore for $181.2 million]
3. Southeast Asia / "Decacorn" / Superapp: [https://techcollectivesea.com/2019/03/14/ride-hailing-leads-southeast-asia-into-decacorn-era/ Ride-hailing leads Southeast Asia into “Decacorn” Era], [https://seasia.co/2019/04/05/after-grab-here-s-the-second-decacorn-in-southeast-asia  After Grab, Here's the Second Decacorn in Southeast Asia], [https://vulcanpost.com/737512/grab-ride-hailing-startup-to-super-app/ From MyTeksi To Grab: How This "Decacorn" Grew From A Ride-Hailing Startup To A Super App]
I hope these will suffice. Thank you.
{{Reply to|Redrose64}} Understood, I'm changing to the request for edits command. [[User:Momalord|Momalord]] ([[User talk:Momalord|talk]]) 07:50, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, thanks for the sources. I am unsure what exactly the edits you are proposing are. Please confirm or clarify my intepretations:
:# Remove "Queenstown" from the lead, leaving just Singapore.
:# Change "transportation" to "mobility", and add "and financial payments via a superapp" to the relevant sentence.
:# Remove "Japan" from the lead.
:# Remove the parenthetical after decacorn.
:If these interpretations are correct, 1 seems a simple and sourced change. For 2, the term "superapp" seems like it is still a bit of a neologism, with even those sources putting it in quotes, so its inclusion in the lead here is probably undue. For 3 I it'd be better to have a source saying they left Japan seeing as there are sources saying they operate in at least some cities there. For 4, I think a better solution would be stating the valuation value, rather than removing the meaning of "decacorn", which I don't expect the general reader to know. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 08:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, you've got all the interpretations right! For 2, I agree with your statement that superapp/super app is still an underused word in some regions but increasingly becoming familiar in other areas. To validate my claim, I'd like to highlight some examples of other Wikipedia pages that have similar mentions - [[WeChat]], [[Gojek]], [[Pathao]]. These have variations like "super app", SuperApp, super app that shows up on Google when you search for the company name. For 3, I'll look for more sources. For 4, I'm in agreement with your suggestion. Here's one of the more recent sources - [https://www.pymnts.com/news/ipo/2021/grab-valuation-spac-partner-altimeter-plummets-28-percent/ Grab's Valuation In Question After SPAC Partner Altimeter Plummets 28 Pct]. [[User:Momalord|Momalord]] ([[User talk:Momalord|talk]]) 16:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
:I've removed Queenstown. I see the point for 2, but I would suggest it be worded in some way that explains the use, as is done on [[WeChat]]. I'll take another look at that, and at 4, when I have a bit more time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 02:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
:I have added the super app and valuation content. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

{{Reply to|Chipmunkdavis}} Appreciate your effort in making the updates. I've also found two references for the Japan omission <ref>https://vulcanpost.com/737512/grab-ride-hailing-startup-to-super-app/</ref> & a first-party locations page.<ref>https://www.grab.com/sg/locations/</ref> [[User:Momalord|Momalord]] ([[User talk:Momalord|talk]]) 18:54, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
:Those aren't explicit contradictions to the Nikkei article, but I've tried removing the country list instead and replacing it with "Southeast Asia". I think that flows better, and doesn't make a statement on potential Japanese and Middle Eastern operations. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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