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This was a list of articles that have been moved to drafts in accordance with the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036#Proposal 2]]. Struck-through entries have been independently sourced and moved back to article space. If you improve a draft and move it to mainspace, feel free to strike out the corresponding entry.  (Mainspace links showing more definitively which have been restored, now also included. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC))  And [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion&diff=prev&oldid=995831433 seven deleted draft ones restored to draft] again. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 03:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
==about deletions==
: I don't see any point in deleting a draft that might become an article. [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] <sup>[[User talk:Bubba73|You talkin' to me?]]</sup> 03:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
::[[Draft:NOPSI New Orleans]] was twice deleted by "user:Liz", November 2020 and July 2022. What shows when go to create article there:
::*18:35, 21 July 2022 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13: Abandoned draft or AfC submission – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13)
::*23:33, 22 November 2020 Graeme Bartlett talk contribs undeleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (8 revisions) (requested by Doncram)
::*00:37, 22 November 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13 -Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions)

:::[[User:Deor]], as an admin with some familiarity here, could you possibly please restore/refund [[Draft:NOPSI New Orleans]] (current HHA) and also [[Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky)]] (former HHA)?  Both were twice deleted by User:Liz, with the second time being immediately after they had been restored by my requests at wp:Refund, for reasoning I can't fathom. (Although time-stamps above would make more sense if Liz's 2nd deletion was at 00:37 on 23 November rather than 22 November... i suppose those are their local times not GMT.)  sincerely, --Doncram ([[user talk:Doncram|talk]],[[Special:Contributions/Doncram|contribs]]) 20:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Doncram}} I don't know what your second sentence is supposed to mean, since both pairs of deletions by Liz (more them 1{{frac|1|2}} years apart) were more than six months after either draft had been edited and were thus proper [[WP:G13]] speedy deletions. I'll restore the drafts again, but if you have no intention of improving them and submitting them to AfD, I don't really see the point. I'll be putting the drafts on my watchlist to see what happens. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 23:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Thanks.  Oh, i see i was interpreting the timestamps wrong.  I thot it was in chrono order but with mistake somehow in the last two of three items. Makes sense now as in reverse chrono. Doncram ([[user talk:Doncram|talk]],[[Special:Contributions/Doncram|contribs]]) 02:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
[list below being re-organized by state --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 18:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)]
::As of May 24, 2021, about 29 of 53 remain in Draftspace; about 24 have been promoted.  Goes towards supporting expected notability of all. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 02:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
::As of 09 November 2021, 28 have been restored to mainspace, and one (Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) is no longer HHA-listed. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 15:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
::As of January 2022, only 21 of 53 have not been resolved, basically 32 have been restored, either as separate articles or as sections elsewhere or similar. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 22:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC) --23:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
::As of June 2022, more than 2/3 done, only 17 of 53 remain.--[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 23:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::As of July 22, 2022, two more recently promoted, so 15 or fewer remain.  NOPSI draft and perhaps another one or two recently deleted, unhelpfully. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 16:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::13 remain, less than 25% of 53.--[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
::10 remain, less than 20% [if Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) considered resolved due to it no longer being HHA]. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 08:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
::10 remain, less than 20% [even including Campbell House as one of the 10, after NOPSI moved to mainspace]. --Doncram ([[user talk:Doncram|talk]],[[Special:Contributions/Doncram|contribs]]) 18:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

==Alphabetical by state (Alabama to Wisconsin)==
There were 53 in total. 47/53 done 
;not done as of 5/24/2023
# [[Draft:The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona)]]; [[The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona)]]
# [[Draft:Tubac Golf Resort and Spa]]; [[Tubac Golf Resort and Spa]], [[Tubac, Arizona]]
# [[Draft:Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida)]]; [[Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida)]]
# [[Draft:Lodge at Wakulla Springs]]; [[Lodge at Wakulla Springs]], [[Wakulla Springs, Florida]]
# [[Draft:Silver Birches (hotel)]]; [[Silver Birches (hotel)]], Pennsylvania.  Draft was deleted by User:Liz, who also tried deleting others.  [List of sources was developed here, then moved to restored Draft, in January 2022.]
# [[Draft:Newport Beach Hotel & Suites]]; [[Newport Beach Hotel & Suites]], [[Middleton, Rhode Island]]


;done as of 5/23/2023
# <s>[[Draft:Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama)]];</s> [[Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama)]] (later developed somewhat by Doncram). Developed by [[User:Bkissin]], [[User:LordDewi]] and [[User:MB]], and promoted by Bkissin, thanks! --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 02:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
# <s>[[Draft:Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort]]</s>; [[Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hacienda_Del_Sol_Guest_Ranch_Resort&type=revision&diff=956818364&oldid=956122128 expanded 15 May 2020] by [[User:Cbl62]], restored by them to mainspace 15 May 2020).  In or near [[Tucson, Arizona]].
# <s>[[Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa]]</s>; [[Royal Palms Resort and Spa]], [[Phoenix, Arizona]]
# <s>[[Draft:White Stallion Ranch]]</s>; [[White Stallion Ranch]], in or near Tucson, Arizona
# <s>[[Draft:Stonepine Estate]]</s>; [[Stonepine Estate]], Carmel Valley near [[Carmel, California]]
# <s>[[Draft:Napa River Inn]]</s>; [[Napa River Inn]], California.  In mainspace before July 22, 2022.
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel Constance Pasadena]]</s>; [[Hotel Constance Pasadena]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Constance&type=revision&diff=956748713&oldid=956133597 expanded 15 May 2020] by [[User:Cbl62]], restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020)
# <s>[[Draft:Ojai Valley Inn]]</s>; [[Ojai Valley Inn]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ojai_Valley_Inn&type=revision&diff=956230804&oldid=956124226 developed 12 May] by [[User:Cbl62]], restored to mainspace by [[User:Deor]] 12 May, although not leaving behind redirect as could be done --doncram)  California
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel Whitcomb]]</s>; [[Hotel Whitcomb]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Whitcomb&type=revision&diff=956886497&oldid=956134623 expanded 15 May 2020] by [[User:Cbl62]], restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020), [[San Francisco, California]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel La Rose]]</s>; [[Hotel La Rose]], [[Santa Rosa, California]] Was getting multiple sources, turned out to be separately nrhp-list, too.--[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
# <s>[[Draft:La Valencia Hotel]]</s>; [[La Valencia Hotel]], [[La Jolla, California]]; accepted and developed by User:Bkissin and User:MB, thanks!
# <s>[[Draft:Norwich Inn]]</s>; [[Norwich Inn]], [[Norwich, Connecticut]]
# <s>[[Draft:Inn at Montchanin Village]]</s>; [[Inn at Montchanin Village]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Inn_at_Montchanin_Village&type=revision&diff=983714178&oldid=956136816 developed 15 October] by [[User:Bkissin]] & restored to mainspace by them 15 October 2020), [[Montchanin, Delaware]]
# <s>[[Draft:Casa Faena]]</s>; [[Casa Faena]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft%3ACasa_Faena&type=revision&diff=995088402&oldid=984462984 developed] by [[User:Doncram]], submitted to AFC 19 December, was eventually accepted), [[Miami Beach, Florida]]
# <s>[[Draft:National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida)]]</s>; [[National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida)]]
# <s>[[Draft:Belleview Inn]]; [[Belleview Inn]], Florida.</s> Moved back to mainspace, but then merged to [[Belleview-Biltmore Hotel]] article (pre-existing from 2006) which covers the topic. [[Belleview Inn]] now redirects to there, which has the term bolded.--[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 23:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
# <s>[[Draft:Greystone Hotel]]</s>; [[Greystone Miami Beach]], Florida
# <s>[[Draft:Partridge Inn]];</s> [[Partridge Inn]], [[Augusta, Georgia]]. Accepted by [[User:CNMall41]], thanks! --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
# <s>[[Draft:River Street Inn]]</s>; [[River Street Inn]]  New article created by another editor; material merged. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC) [[Savannah, Georgia]].  '''Article needs renaming from "124 East Bay Street".'''
# <s>[[Draft:The Cotton Sail Hotel]];</s> [[The Cotton Sail Hotel]], [[Savannah, Georgia]], a accepted 5/2022
# <s>[[Draft:The DeSoto]]</s>; [[The DeSoto]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_DeSoto&type=revision&diff=958434143&oldid=956145806 developed 23 May] by [[User:Bubba73]] & restored to mainspace by them 23 May 2020), [[Savannah, Georgia]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hilton Orrington/Evanston]]</s>; [[Hilton Orrington/Evanston]], [[Evanston, Illinois]]  Was AFC-approved at [[Hilton Orrington]], when want it at title which includes a slash (/) character.  Requested move at [[wp:RM]], which was done. 
# <s>[[Draft:The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana)]]</s>; [[The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana)]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft%3AThe_Sherman_%28Batesville%2C_Indiana%29&type=revision&diff=990184695&oldid=984463085 developed somewhat 23 November] by [[user:Doncram]])  AFC accepted 2021-04. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)  [[Batesville, Indiana]]
#<s> [[Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky)]]; [[Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky)]]</s> No longer HHA-listed, in 2021.
# <s>[[Draft:NOPSI New Orleans]]</s>; [[NOPSI New Orleans]], [[New Orleans, Louisiana]]. Promoted.
# <s>[[Draft:Portland Regency Hotel & Spa]]</s>; [[Portland Regency Hotel & Spa]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portland_Regency_Hotel_%26_Spa&type=revision&diff=956166162&oldid=956150680 developed 11 May] by [[User:Namiba]] & restored by them to mainspace 11 May 2020), [[Portland, Maine]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel Brexton]]</s>; [[Hotel Brexton]], [[Baltimore, Maryland]].  Modified by JSwift49 and Bkissin in May 2023 and promoted by Bkissin
# <s>[[Draft:Concord's Colonial Inn]]</s>; [[Concord's Colonial Inn]], [[Concord, Massachusetts]] (developed by [[User:Seasider53]] on August 21)
#<s>[[Draft:Kendall Hotel]]</s>; [[Kendall Hotel]], [[Cambridge, Massachusetts]]. Good source found by Bkissin; to mainspace July 22, 2022.
# <s>[[Draft:The Saint Paul Hotel]];</s> [[The Saint Paul Hotel]], Minnesota.  Gangster haven. submitted by Bkissin. Developed out greatly by [[User:MB]], even for DYK. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC) 
# <s>[[Draft:Omni Bretton Arms Inn]]</s>; [[Omni Bretton Arms Inn]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mount_Washington_Hotel&type=revision&diff=994470099&oldid=991550405 material merged 15 December] into [[Mount_Washington_Hotel#Omni_Bretton_Arms_Inn]] by [[User:Doncram]], draft properly moved to mainspace to hold edit history, allow for re-separation), New Hampshire
#<s>[[Draft:The Queensbury Hotel]]</s>; [[The Queensbury Hotel]], [[Glens Falls, New York]] (developed mostly by Doncram, restored by Bkissin to mainspace 29 April 2021) TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN NRHP-LISTED in 2018, though this was not detectable by websearching. NRHP doc not available at NPS or NARA.
# <s>[[Draft:Jefferson Clinton Hotel]]</s>; [[Jefferson Clinton Hotel]], [[Syracuse, New York]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel Skyler]]</s>; [[Hotel Skyler]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Skyler&type=revision&diff=984557013&oldid=984463235 expanded 20 October] by [[User:Bkissin]] & restored by them to mainspace 20 October 2020; further developed somewhat by [[User:Doncram]] and [[User:MB]]) [[Syracuse, New York]]
#<s>[[Draft:Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina)]]</s>; [[Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina)]] (restored to mainspace but merged to [[Graylyn]], which is fine IMO -doncram)
# <s>[[Draft:Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University]]</s>; [[Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft%3AAtherton_Hotel_at_Oklahoma_State_University&type=revision&diff=989594053&oldid=989586793 expanded 19 Nov 2020] by [[User:Doncram]], submitted to AFC, no review yet as of 21 Dec 2020, was eventually accepted)
# <s>[[Draft:Penn Wells Hotel]]</s>; [[Penn Wells Hotel]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Penn_Wells_Hotel&type=revision&diff=983372124&oldid=983370726 developed somewhat] by [[User:Bkissin]] & restored by them to mainspace, October 2020), [[Wellsboro, Pennsylvania]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island)]]</s>; [[Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island)]]
# <s>[[Draft:Kings Courtyard Inn]]</s>; [[Kings Courtyard Inn]], [[Charleston, South Carolina]]
# <s>[[Draft:The Dewberry]]</s>; [[The Dewberry]] [[Charleston, South Carolina]] (soonish after Doncram added a citation, Bkissin restored to mainspace)
# <s>[[Draft:Wentworth Mansion]]</s>; [[Wentworth Mansion]] (expanded somewhat by [[User:Doncram]], restored to mainspace by AFC) [[Charleston, South Carolina]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel on Phillips]]</s>; [[Hotel on Phillips]], Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in NRHP-listed [[Sioux Falls National Bank Building]].  NRHP article moved to "Hotel on Phillips" and expanded a bit.  Not all material in the Draft has been merged yet, though. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 00:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
# <s>[[Draft:Crockett Hotel]]</s>; [[Crockett Hotel]] (expanded somewhat by [[User:Doncram]], restored to mainspace by AFC) [[San Antonio, Texas]]
# <s>[[Draft:Georgetown Inn]]</s>; [[Georgetown Inn]], [[Washington, D.C.]]
# <s>[[Draft:Hotel Lombardy]]</s>; [[Hotel Lombardy]], [[Washington, D.C.]]. Edited and promoted by [[User:JSwift49]], May 2023.  Leaves only 8 of these drafts unresolved. --Doncram ([[user talk:Doncram|talk]],[[Special:Contributions/Doncram|contribs]]) 16:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
# <s>[[Draft:Phoenix Park Hotel]]</s>; [[Phoenix Park Hotel]], [[Washington, D.C.]] (expanded by [[User:Star Mississippi]] and then more on Sept 21 2021 by [[User:CanadianShoe]] and then promoted by Bkissin.)
# <s>[[Draft:The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin)]]</s>; [[The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin)]]

Thank you, to [[User:Bkissin]], [[User:Cbl62]], [[User:MB]], [[User:Bubba73]], [[User:Namiba]]. --[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 02:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
:You're welcome {{u|Doncram}}! I think the editors listed here have a good sense of [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:THREE]] to bring a lot of these articles to mainspace. I know I've looked at some where finding good reliable sources is difficult. [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]] ([[User talk:Bkissin|talk]]) 14:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

==What is difference in revision that gets through AFC?==
*For [[Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa]], sourcing that is useful, makes significance more clear, in multiple outlets detailed coverage upon 70th anniversary event, prompted probably a press release and/or other promotion (or did they follow each other?), that happened in 2018 but i hadn't found.  Maybe difference was that in September, 2022 i tried searching on "Royal Palms Resort, Arizona" (without "and Spa"), and found:
**Detailed, interesting history in "Royal Palms Resort: 70 Years of Grandeur" by Amanda Christmann, in [[Images Arizona]]:<ref>{{cite web|url=https://imagesarizona.com/royal-palms-resort-70-years-of-grandeur/ |title=Royal Palms Resort: 70 Years of Grandeur |author=Amanda Christmann |publisher=[[Images Arizona]] try [[Images]] |date=2018}}</ref>
**[[The Arizona Republic]] (see [[The Republic]]) / AZ Central's take on 70 year anniversary, also with detail:<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/dining/2018/09/19/royal-palms-resort-spa-phoenix-70-years-fun-facts/1306296002/ |title=10 fun facts (and a party) to celebrate Royal Palms Resort's 70 years in Phoenix -- Royal Palms Resort and Spa in Phoenix celebrates its 70th anniversary with a party on Sept. 20. Check out 10 fun facts about the luxurious resort |author=Kellie Hwang |publisher=[[The Arizona Republic|The Republic]], azcentral.com |date=September 19,, 2018}}</ref>
**and [[AZ Big Media]]'s (LIFESTYLE section?):<ref>{cite web|url=https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/resorts/enchanting-royal-palms-resort-and-spa-celebrates-70th-anniversary/ |publisher=AZ big media? |title=Enchanting Royal Palms Resort and Spa celebrates 70th anniversary |date=September 20, 2018 |author=Alyssa Tufts}}</ref>
::--[[User:Doncram|Doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 21:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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