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== Page Title ==

There is no reason why the page should not begin with '''IndyCar Series in DIRECTV HD''' rather than simply IndyCar Series. This is currently the official title of the series as recognised by the Indy Racing League, much like when Champ Car's title was '''Bridgestone Presents the Champ Car World Series Powered by Ford'''. When that was the case, the Wikipedia article was officially recognized as Champ Car World Series, but the on page title reflected the official name.

The objectives of WP:COMMONNAME do not apply in this case, as <br />

1) We are not renaming the page, it remains at IndyCar Series, where it should be<br />

2) Based on the way search engines work, the addition of '''in DIRECTV HD''' would not effect search results for this page, while at the same time, it would increase the accuracy of the article. If this was being renamed to something such as "IndyCar Presented in DirecTV Series", WP:COMMONNAME would apply, as anybody doing a search for "IndyCar Series" would be unable to find the page.

I'm not advocating moving the page from IndyCar Series, just fixing it to properly reflect the series.

--[[User:CorSter|CorSter]] ([[User talk:CorSter|talk]]) 15:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)]]

:If we were following WP:COMMONNAME to the letter, I would argue that somebody searching would be looking for IRL or IndyCar before they type IndyCar Series into the search engine. I think the article must represent the proper name of the series. I must agree that COMMONNAME does not apply here.
:--[[Special:Contributions/99.238.177.201|99.238.177.201]] ([[User talk:99.238.177.201|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

::The in DIRECTV HD version is more accurate, i say stick with it
::--[[Special:Contributions/67.71.176.12|67.71.176.12]] ([[User talk:67.71.176.12|talk]]) 01:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Sponsor names change all the time; I'd say leave it out. [[User:Kenhullett|Kenhullett]] ([[User talk:Kenhullett|talk]]) 17:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

::::Previous discussions have agreed upon leaving so-called "Presenting Sponsors" out of the page name, but including "Primary Sponsors." In this interesting case, DIRECTV is actually more of a presenting sponsor, and not particularly the series title sponsor. Note that it has been reported that a real title sponsor will join the league in 2009. It has yet to be announced. I say for 2008, leave the page title at IndyCar Series, and for 2009, if and when they announce the sponsor, change it if appropriate. [[User:Doctorindy|Doctorindy]] ([[User talk:Doctorindy|talk]]) 03:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Chassis/Engine Suppliers ==
The Long Beach race that used the Champ Car Panoz/Cosworth cars counts towards the IRL points standings. For all intents and purposes it is an IndyCar series race, and thus Panoz and Cosworth should be listed as chassis and engine suppliers. [[User:Eightball|<i style="color:#308014;">Charles</i>]] 22:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Panoz should be listed as they are still an IndyCar chassis manufacturer, with American Dream running one at the 500. Long Beach was not a IndyCar race though, so i don't think cosworth should be listed.
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The 2008 Long Beach DP01 Panoz / Cosworth effort is an interesting footnote.[[User:Twohlford|Twohlford]] ([[User talk:Twohlford|talk]]) 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I rewrote the chassis section, cleaning up the historical chassis sections and adding lots on the G-Force/Panoz efforts.  It still needs more work on the Dallara efforts. [[User:Twohlford|Twohlford]] ([[User talk:Twohlford|talk]]) 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

According to IRL officials I talked to at Milwaukee and Indy, the current chassis and engine spec is expected to continue through 2010 due to unification concerns. [[User:Twohlford|Twohlford]] ([[User talk:Twohlford|talk]]) 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Per several Indycar sources with the most notable being Newman Haas Lanigan Racing via their official website, the current IndyCar chassis is the IR5. The IR5 is fundamentally the same chassis as the IR3 but with minor aerodynamic updates which were solidified for the 2005 IndyCar season. The IR5 has been fabricated by Panoz and Dallara.

http://www.newman-haas.com/cars.html
(User: thebatsignal) 22:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Here is another professional source indicating the current IndyCar chassis is designated correctly as the IR5.
http://www.samhornish.com/team/index.cfm?cid=2645&subnavkey=carspecs&wide=true
(User: thebatsignal) 22:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Indy 500 > IndyCar season ==

Does anyone find cites for this? --'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Feeder Series == 

I think the NASCAR article format should be followed for this article, including information on the feeder series for IndyCar.  Any thoughts?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.247.22.197|209.247.22.197]] ([[User talk:209.247.22.197|talk]]) 02:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Flag Signals ==

Color chart of flags used in this series trackside  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/123.208.34.173|123.208.34.173]] ([[User talk:123.208.34.173|talk]]) 06:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:There's already an article just for that.  See:  [[racing flags]][[User:Mustang6172|Mustang6172]] ([[User talk:Mustang6172|talk]]) 23:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

==length of split?==
The last I checked, CART broke away from USAC in 1978.  While an argument can be made for the Championship Racing League in 1980 as a unified series, most certainly "the split" didn't begin with the formation of the IRL.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Twohlford|Twohlford]] ([[User talk:Twohlford|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twohlford|contribs]]) 19:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Clearly there's more than one split[[User:Mustang6172|Mustang6172]] ([[User talk:Mustang6172|talk]]) 23:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, and if we want to document the CRL, then that's another matter.  Officially, the IRL seems to date the split starting in 1978 with the formation of CART and the running of events by CART in opposition to USAC.  Certainly there sanctions against "traitors" who ventured to the other side prior to 12 years ago.  The fact remains that since 1978, the Indy scene has been split.[[User:Twohlford|Twohlford]] ([[User talk:Twohlford|talk]]) 03:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:I like how it says, "In 2008, the IndyCar Series merged with the Champ Car World Series, ending a 30-year period in which American open wheel racing was split into at least two major groups."  And in the sidebar it says incept date was 1996.  Totally makes sense.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mlprater|Mlprater]] ([[User talk:Mlprater|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mlprater|contribs]]) 18:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::CART split from USAC in 1978.  That was the first split.  USAC folded its championship series in 1979.  That ended the first split.  IRL split from CART in 1996.  CART did not fold it's championship series as USAC did.  CART kept fighting and eventually the IRL scored a pyrrhic victory.  That ended the second split.[[User:Mustang6172|Mustang6172]] ([[User talk:Mustang6172|talk]]) 04:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

==Series Records==

My understanding is that the IRL will recognize the history of CART and CCWS.  This means that our statement of which drivers are record holders probably needs a lot of revision.  We would also have to include the pre-1978 records if we are to do this correctly.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Twohlford|Twohlford]] ([[User talk:Twohlford|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twohlford|contribs]]) 01:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Requested move ==

<nowiki>{{IZOD IndyCar Series|IndyCar Series}}</nowiki> Revert to previous after Move request not having been performed previously on what was obvious a controversial move. IZOD have become the series sponsor of the IndyCar Series, however, this article covers all of IndyCar, not just the series. Additionally almost every other motorsport article about a category is generically titled, and this article has not previously been refered to by sponsored identity. --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 04:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Why the name change? Yes the series now has a naming rights sponsor, but that naming rights sponsor only applied to the 2010 series yes? This is the article about to whole of the Indycar Series, of which IZOD has only been a very small part. Surely the name of the article should stay generic for exactly the same reason that all the component race teams have generically titled articles rather than named by their sponsored identies and the IZOD labelling should stick strictly to 2010 IZOD IndyCar Series article.

I notice that the [[NASCAR Sprint Cup]] has been sited for comparison. However, isn't the more appropriate comparison to [[NASCAR]]? Additionally, it should be noted that the NASCAR Sprint Cup series is virtually unique in that the article represent the sponsored idenity of its motor racing series. Every other motor racing Series article that I found by quick search uses the unbranded common name. --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 04:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
: The [[Indy Racing League]] is the appropriate comparison to [[NASCAR]] in this case.  They're the parent company that sanctions, governs and stages the races.  [[Firestone Indy Lights]] and [[Rolex Sports Car Series]] are two other examples of a racing series using the branded name of a sponsor.  The series is going to retain the IZOD IndyCar Series name through 2015 per media reports.[[User:Froo|Froo]] ([[User talk:Froo|talk]]) 21:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::Note that the creation of the article at [[Firestone Indy Lights]] was initially a temporary move from the page [[Indy Pro Series]]. The article [[Indy Lights]] (which dealt with the previous CART-sanctioned series) was later merged in. The article was moved to Firestone Indy Lights largely because an article Indy Lights already existed. -[[User:Drdisque|Drdisque]] ([[User talk:Drdisque|talk]]) 21:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

:Froo is correct.  This is the talk page for the IndyCar Series article, not the Indy Racing League article.  Granted, it does get confusing because the series and sanctioning body were one in the same until the new Indy Lights series came along.  When NASCAR changes the name of a series, it applies that change retroactively.  It is reasonable to expect the IRL to act in the same manner.[[User:Mustang6172|Mustang6172]] ([[User talk:Mustang6172|talk]]) 07:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

== Proposed merge of [[2013 IndyCar Series season]] ==

It is proposed that [[2013 IndyCar Series season]] be merged and redirected here until, at the very least, the ''2012'' season is ended. Please discuss. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 21:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. There is a lot of [[WP:CBALL|crystal balling]] on the page right now. Almost all of Possible races should be deleted. Once the rumours are removed you have three races and two drivers contracts for 2013, all of which could be covered on the artciles for those races and drivers quite adequately. I do not believe we have to wait until 2012 season is complete, personally, the announcement of the 2013 calendar would be the perfect opportunity to expand that article, assuming that comes before season ends. --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 22:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''.  The Houston Grand Prix was just announced on the schedule.  Series CEO Randy Bernard wants to announce the 2013 schedule as early as possible.  There will be many announcements pertaining to the 2013 season that happen before the 2012 season ends.  There will also be companies committing to supplying aero kits.  I will clean up the old references to possible races. [[User:Froo|Froo]] ([[User talk:Froo|talk]]) 22:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', per Houston's announcement and per Froo. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<span style="color:green;font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<span style="color:lime;">Rants</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<span style="color:lime;">Edits</span>]]</sup> 23:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
:'''Oppose merge''', Creating [Next season] ''after the start'' of [This season] is the typical way it's been handled in the past, and how other sports seem to handle it. More than one race (not just Houston) is officially confirmed for 2013, There's also at least one rule that has already been announced to take affect in 2013 (multiple aero kits) so there is some substance to report. Honestly, ''what's the difference'' with creating it today as opposed to some date this summer when the official schedule is announced? The wait is insignificant. It would not fall under crystal ball criteria because some of the events are already officially announced. [[User:Doctorindy|Doctorindy]] ([[User talk:Doctorindy|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

==Tires==

In the book "Racing Indy Cars" by Author George Sullivan, there is a photo of the pit crew putting tires on Ari Luyendyks's Dominos Pizza sponsored Indy car in the early 1990s.   The left tires are marked "L" in chalk, and the right tires are marked "R" in chalk.  Why is this?  Why wouldnt the tires be interchangeable to either side of the car? Marc S., Dania Fl  [[Special:Contributions/206.192.35.125|206.192.35.125]] ([[User talk:206.192.35.125|talk]]) 20:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
:Because the right-hand side tyres are slightly larger than the left-sides to help with the stagger of the car and to help it naturally want to turn to the left. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoaUhs-ZmaI '''[[User:TheChrisD|<span style="color:green;font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<span style="color:lime;">Rants</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<span style="color:lime;">Edits</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Country ==

There seems to be disagreement to whether this is an American or international series.  Please comment at the similar discussion at [[Talk:Indy Lights#Country]]. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 20:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
:International [[User:ILR10111996|ILR10111996]] ([[User talk:ILR10111996|talk]]) 16:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
::While these races attract drivers from numerous countries, they are in fact participating in a race held in the United States. If this was a race from Toronto, Canada to St. Louis, Missouri, then that would be an international race. While the infoboxes for Grand Prix racing do not include the term, "country", no one would say that the Indy 500 isn't an American race. For races in Great Britain, for example, the country is the U.K., not international, despite the plethora of international drivers who participate in those races.  See [[British Formula 3 International Series]], [[BRDC British Formula 3 Championship]] for specific examples.[[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 19:57, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

== But what does it mean? ==

:{{tq|The engine service rebuild mileage duration per season of current generation of IndyCar Series engines is worth 2,500–2,850 miles (4,023–4,587 kilometres) and can be replacable for the further next races if the engine mileage has reached the minimum rebuild mileage duration.}}
[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=IndyCar_Series&type=revision&diff=911849000&oldid=911189016#Fourth_generation The meaning of the above recent addition] to the article is far from clear. [[User:TheriusRooney]], can you explain what it means? [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] ([[User talk:Moriori|talk]]) 00:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

:The engine life duration i mean
::Uh, ok.  In the meantime I will remove it until someone rewrites it into clear encyclopedic language. [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] ([[User talk:Moriori|talk]]) 01:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

== Revamp ==

Just looking for opinions here, but this article seems to require a massive revamp.  It seems to just be a wrote description of the cars of older eras with little relevant content for someone looking up what the IndyCar series is.

I'd recommend a merge with Indycar and some major changes.  Any other opinions? [[User:Knoper|Knoper]] ([[User talk:Knoper|talk]]) 01:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

== Weekend formats ==

It would be helpful if the article contained some info about how the weekend format works. I know it's not quite consistent like F1, but perhaps something about how qualifying generally works? -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 14:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

== But what does it mean - part II ==

Could the first sentence under 'Other components' - {{tpq|All IndyCar Series cars carry a McLaren-provided engine management (Electronic Control Unit) since 2007 as a second supplier until 2009 and later increased as single ECU supplier since 2010 until present (the TAG-400i was first time utilized since 2012 season).}} - please be re-written in plain English? I have no idea what this sentence is trying to say. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 15:32, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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== "the most popular types of U.S. motorsport" - citation needed ==

After thinking Wikipedia has much larger problems, I proposed to simply modify in "one of the" so NASCAR and NHRA fans won't protest, arguing from a "citation needed" (I like both of two, no problems). What's more the focus doesn't change if we prove or not it was the most, since first Indy 500 was in 1911 and this is sufficient to give a historicity proof. gtp ([[User talk:MC12GT1|talk]]) 09:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)