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'''Reviewer:''' [[User:GhostRiver|GhostRiver]]&nbsp;([[User talk:GhostRiver|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/GhostRiver|contribs]]) 16:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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=== Infobox and lede ===
* Delink "Kentucky" per [[MOS:OVERLINK]]
* Don't need to include AL and MVP acronyms in parentheses if the acronyms aren't used in the lede

=== Early life ===
* I'm not sure the best way to rephrase it, but I don't love the {{tq|according to Johnny}} phrase
**Tried "the athlete later recalled" [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17|talk]]) 23:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

=== Early minor league career ===
* This applies to all the date ranges herein: Per [[MOS:DATERANGE]], we should use four-digit years when giving ranges in section headers (e.g. 1929–1930 instead of 1929–30). Very obscure MOS rule I only recently found out about myself

==== Dayton Aviators ====
* Manager is linked in the lede but not here
* I was trying to see if there were any newspaper articles that would clarify the "reports" with regard to his use in batting practice and the outfield, since the SABR article doesn't clarify. That proved fruitless, but I did find [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97256083/ this] from the ''Courier-Journal'' that talks about his pitching{{snd}}might be nice to include! (and also, apologies for the difficulty of reading)
**Hahaha! Difficulty to read more than made up for by the colorful reporting. Why can't writers come up with similar descriptions today? [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17|talk]]) 23:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

==== Louisville Colonels ====
* See above with the linking of manager
* "Yet" {{right arrow}} "Despite this,"
* " were topped in the league only by" {{right arrow}} "were third in the league, behind only"

=== Major league career ===
==== Philadelphia Athletics ====
* Specify Earle Mack's role within the A's organization at the time
* SABR article doesn't say he was hoping for more money by holding out in '35. [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97256746/ This] article from the ''Inquirer'' says nobody knew why he was MIA during spring training and that he might have been ill, but the salary issue is mentioned [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97256864/ here] (cont'd [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97256913/ here] and [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97256955/ here] (cont'd [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97256992/ here]
**Good research. Given that these are all from the same publication, and that the ambiguous article is from an earlier date, I'd assume that they later found out that salary was a part of it. [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17|talk]]) 00:03, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
* Specify that he was called to pinch hit for the first game of said doubleheader
* ""invincible with men on base,"" {{right arrow}} ""invincible with men on base"," per [[MOS:LQ]]

==== Boston Red Sox ====
* "2 of his final 9" {{right arrow}} "two of his final nine" per [[MOS:NUMERAL]]
* "much better" {{right arrow}} "much improved"
* My reading of the source suggests that "hoped" is less accurate an assessment than "anticipated"
* Don't have to link it since it was linked above, but I'd still write out "St. Louis Browns" in the last sentence

==== St. Louis Browns/Chicago White Sox ====
* Similar to my note above, I'd write out John Whitehead since his full name wasn't mentioned since the A's section

=== Later minor league career ===
==== Toledo Mud Hens ====
* Comma after "for second in the league", and maybe add "'''both''' behind"

==== Farming, last two seasons ====
* Good

=== Career statistics ===
* No comma needed after "bat at the plate"

=== Pitching philosophy ===
* Good

=== Personal life ===
* Use the conversion template for acres
* Link "stroke"

=== References ===
* Although not technically part of the GA criteria, more information for any source that's just a publication and date would be appreciated
**Right, and I usually try to do that. The story on those cites is that those are the ones in the SABR bio; no other information on them is provided. I cite them to better illustrate the variety of sources which support the research in the article; the drawback is that I don't have all the info on the publication. If that's ever a problem for you, let me know, and I can always just switch them with the SABR bio. Sort of a situation in which neither of the approaches is perfect. [[User:Sanfranciscogiants17|Sanfranciscogiants17]] ([[User talk:Sanfranciscogiants17|talk]]) 23:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

=== General comments ===
* Images are public domain and relevant
* No stability concerns in the revision history
* [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Johnny+Marcum&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 Earwig score] looks good, all common phrases and one direct quote

Putting on hold; as always, ping me with questions and let me know when you're finished! — '''[[User:GhostRiver|<span style="font-family:Georgia; color:#BEBFC5">Ghost</span>]][[User talk:GhostRiver|<span style="font-family:Georgia; color:#89CFF0">River</span>]]''' 17:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
:Thank you for making those changes (and again for your patience, the past few days have not been kind to me). Regarding the use of sourcing and SABR, my ideal alternative would be to try to find a newspaper article through Newspapers.com that includes said information, which I acknowledge might be difficult; otherwise, using the SABR and the story SABR cites is fine. For now, passing said article, and let me know if you'd ever like help hunting down paper scraps. — '''[[User:GhostRiver|<span style="font-family:Georgia; color:#BEBFC5">Ghost</span>]][[User talk:GhostRiver|<span style="font-family:Georgia; color:#89CFF0">River</span>]]''' 15:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)