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==Album Sales==
The following sales are on the net - http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 15m, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Top-Biggest-Selling-Madonna-Albums/lm/37BXBHN8JKB68 = 13.5m, http://charts.mlvc.org/CHThist.php = 11.4m, www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41261&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 = 9.17m. In comparisons, the first link is always much higher than the rest - so inflated. So amended figure to 2nd link's figure (Amazon) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.234.242.196|60.234.242.196]] ([[User talk:60.234.242.196#top|talk]]) 19:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)</small>

===The Powers that Be===

The article states,

"Act of Contrition" is produced by "The Powers That Be" (Madonna and Patrick Leonard).

and then further down, under personnel, lists Prince as a producer of Act of Contrition. Which is it?  And can there be a citation as whenever it was revealed that "The Powers That Be" is a pseudonym any of these people used?  I know it's being used tongue-in-cheek, but where was it announced who was the actual producers? [[Special:Contributions/12.162.122.6|Contributions/12.162.122.6]] ([[User talk:12.162.122.6|talk]]) 17:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

===Additional notes===

The assertion that "Spanish Eyes" was sometimes called "Pray for Spanish Eyes" needs a citation. I have the US cassette, and it refers to the song as "Spanish Eyes." Perhaps only some releases had the longer title? It wasn't universal.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ww adh77|Ww adh77]] ([[User talk:Ww adh77|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ww adh77|contribs]]) 01:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Why has this page been moved?==
Why was this page moved from its simple name of "Like a Prayer" to "Like a Prayer (album)"? This seems very unnecessary. There is only 2 other articles with this name, one being a documentary which has no references and should be deleted or improved. [[User:Jwad|<b><span style="color:#FF0000;">J</span><span style="color:#FF5500;">W</span><span style="color:#FF8000;">A</span><span style="color:#FFC000;">D</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Jwad|<span style="color:#4E562C">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with you. It should be moved back. [[User:Legolas2186|<span style="color:blue;">--''Legolas''</span>]] [[User talk:Legolas2186|<sup>(<span style="color:red;">talk</span><span style="color:green;">2</span><span style="color:orange;">me</span>)</sup>]] 13:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Legacy ==

Should be added a  legacy section, this album is very important to pop music.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/181.0.136.66|181.0.136.66]] ([[User talk:181.0.136.66|talk]]) 15:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Expansion of Legacy ==

Here's an extra link for the legacy section if not already included

http://entertainment.time.com/2006/11/02/the-all-time-100-albums/slide/like-a-prayer/#like-a-prayer ([[Special:Contributions/98.181.62.167|98.181.62.167]] ([[User talk:98.181.62.167|talk]]) 03:58, 23 June 2012 (UTC))

==Assessment comment==
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* {{y}} All the start class criteria
* {{y}} A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
* {{y}} At least one section of prose (excluding the lead section)
* {{y}} A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
* {{y}} A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
* {{y}} Categorisation at least by artist and year
* {{y}} A casual reader should learn something about the album. [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 12:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Substituted at 06:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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==Good article?==
I've not given the article a rigorous reading, but it does seem close to meeting [[Wikipedia:Good article criteria|GA criteria]] for listing as a Good Article. Worth checking for bias, as it is a little inclined to pick out positive comments, and perhaps working on the lead to ensure all the main points of the article are mentioned (in particular that both contemporary and legacy reviews point out that this album was Madonna's (successful) attempt to be taken seriously), but overall it's a readable, informative and well sourced article. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:#8D38C9;font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup style="color:#347C2C;">✔Tea time</sup>]]''' 22:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Expansiod needed? ==

This is regarded by many as one of Madonna's greatest albums and it's Legacy section is considerably smaller than her first album's one. Maybe an expansion is needed and a bit more of research. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:Giratina000|<span style="color:Salmon;">'''Gheiratina'''</span>]] <sup> [[User talk:Giratina000|<span style="color:Orange;">'''(Touch~^)'''</span>]] </sup></span> 19:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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== Requested move 1 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''No consensus'''. [[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 16:02, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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[[:Like a Prayer]] → {{no redirect|Like a Prayer (album)}} – [http://stats.grok.se/en/201301/Like_a_Prayer The album] is less popular than [http://stats.grok.se/en/201301/Like_a_Prayer_(song) the song]. Therefore, either the song or the [[Like a Prayer (disambiguation)|dab page]] should be primary. --<small>'''Relisted''' Discussion is ongoing. [[User:Tyrol5|<span style="color:#960018;">'''Tyrol5'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Tyrol5|<span style="color:#960018;">[Talk]</span>]]</small> 20:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)</small> --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 19:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. In my opinion a 20% difference is not enough to make it worth making the switch. Since there are only two it is better to use a hatnote for the other instead of using a disambiguation page. [[User:Apteva|Apteva]] ([[User talk:Apteva|talk]]) 04:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. The album is the main project, and the song is a part of it. The same with [[Like a Virgin]] / [[Like a Virgin (song)]] and [[Ray of Light]] / [[Ray of Light (song)]]. [[User:Bluesatellite|Bluesatellite]] ([[User talk:Bluesatellite|talk]]) 07:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
** The album title's inherited from the song, not the other way around. "Like a Virgin" should also be primary to the song/video. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.43|76.65.128.43]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.43|talk]]) 00:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the song and its video are the ones that generated general commentary from politicians, so is the more encyclopedic topic. The usage stats support disambiguation as primary form, but I think the song should sit at primary instead. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.43|76.65.128.43]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.43|talk]]) 00:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This is not the only album whose title is based upon an non-action consensus created [[Grandfather clause|by default]] many years ago. Regardless the song is more viewed than the album, I see only a primary topic, the album. Our Madonna is more popular and "important" than any other Madonna, right? Why is she an "[[Madonna (entertainer)|entertainer]]"?
:To the IP user, in case you didn't know disam pages needs at least one link, could you give one to the "general commentary from politicians"? Also, that commentary is based upon Madonna's records and she made it popular or Madonna tooked it and re-used it. [[User:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#4B0082;">Tb</span><span style="color:#6082B6;">hotch</span>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#6B8E23;"><big>™</big></span>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 04:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm parsing your response properly. Politicians' commentary on the song "Like a Prayer" and its associated video is in what way related to all her other recordings? There was a fair bit of controversy concerning this song and its video, such as blaxploitation, a black Christ figure, blasphemy, etc. It is the song and its video that is the more encyclopedic and notable topic. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.43|76.65.128.43]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.43|talk]]) 05:42, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Again, which is the link you want to be added to the disam page, [[Like a Prayer (idiom)]]? We need a link. [[User:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#4B0082;">Tb</span><span style="color:#6082B6;">hotch</span>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#6B8E23;"><big>™</big></span>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 20:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – The difference in page views isn't that much, only about 10-15%.  If the song had 2-3 times as many views, maybe, but I think this is a case of trying to fix something that isn't broken. They've been the way they are for many many years with no issues. —<B>[[User:Torchiest|Torchiest]]</B> <sup>[[User talk:Torchiest|talk]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Torchiest|edits]]</sub> 05:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think you're missing the point. The song would get most of those views if it was correctly titled.[[User:Srsrox|Srsrox]] ([[User talk:Srsrox|talk]]) 16:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Readers could be viewing [[Like a Prayer]] to view the song article, the fact that [[Like a Prayer (song)]] gets more views, I believe, warrants the move. [[User:Zarcadia|Zarcadia]] ([[User talk:Zarcadia|talk]]) 22:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Via supporters here. The song is simply more notable than the album. [[User:Srsrox|Srsrox]] ([[User talk:Srsrox|talk]]) 16:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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== Requested move 2 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''page moved''', with [[Like a Prayer]] now pointing to the dab page. [[WP:TWODABS]] applies if one is the primary topic, which is not the case here.  [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 14:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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[[:Like a Prayer]] → {{no redirect|Like a Prayer (album)}} – It's been few months since unsuccessful request. Long-term significance for Madonna album and for song of the similar name equally weigh each other. The album has many memorable songs, while the titular song is notable predominantly due to controversy. However, [http://stats.grok.se/en/201305/like_a_prayer the album] is still less viewed than [http://stats.grok.se/en/201305/like_a_prayer_(song) the song]. [[Oops!... I Did It Again]] and [[...Baby One More Time]] are right now songs, while their album counterparts are disambiguated, although they are [[Britney Spears]] songs. If the album becomes disambiguated, should the primary topic be [[Like a Prayer (song)]] or [[Like a Prayer (disambiguation)]]? [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 05:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - difficult to disentangle from [[Like a Prayer (song)]] in Google Books, so fails [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. Also difficult to argue [[WP:TWODABS]] though [[Like a Prayer (documentary)]] is only a redirect. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' clearly a disambiguation page or the song/video should be primary, not the album. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.76.126|65.94.76.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.76.126|talk]]) 07:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the same situation as "...Baby One More Time" and "Oops!... I Did It Again" the songs vs. ''...Baby One More Time'' and ''Oops!... I Did It Again'' the albums. [[User:WikiRedactor|WikiRedactor]] ([[User talk:WikiRedactor|talk]]) 21:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', nothing has changed. I added the doc because of twodabs, it was that or deletion. [[User:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#4B0082;">Tb</span><span style="color:#6082B6;">hotch</span>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#6B8E23;"><big>™</big></span>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 01:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
** Yet numbers of album and song are very close to each other, especially when "nothing has changed." --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
***Nothing has changed from the RM above and today, I am not buying your idea. [[User:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#4B0082;">Tb</span><span style="color:#6082B6;">hotch</span>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#6B8E23;"><big>™</big></span>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 01:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
**** Curiously, how does the album's primacy outweigh the song's? To me, they are equally well-known, even when the album was the best-seller with other notable songs within. While this article discusses the album itself, the song page discusses a lot of details about the single song itself and its impact. Moreover, the above request resulted "no consensus" instead of "not moved", prompting me to wait until now. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 04:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' any move to disambiguate what is basically a [[WP:TWODABS]] situation. No opinion on primacy between the song and album, although readers will not be misled by having either at the primary topic title, since the song is on the album, and the album contains the song. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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== “Every important artist...” ==

On the article for “Like a virgin”:<br>
''“According to author J. Randy Taraborrelli, "Every important artist has at least one album in his or her career whose critical and commercial success becomes the artist's magic moment; for Madonna, Like a Virgin was just such a defining moment."”''<br>
On the article for “Like a prayer”:<br>
''“Taraborrelli wrote that Like a Prayer was a turning point's in Madonna's career; "Every important artist has at least one album in his or her career whose critical and commercial success becomes the artist's magic moment; for Madonna [...] Like a Prayer was. [Madonna] pushed onwards as an artist, using her creative wit to communicate on another level, musically."”''<br>
So... which is it ?<br>
--[[User:Abolibibelot|Abolibibelot]] ([[User talk:Abolibibelot|talk]]) 01:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
:It is both actually. The quote on p. 164 of the book says "For Madonna, ''Like a Virgin'' was just such a defining moment. ''Like a Prayer'' was another."  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ww adh77|Ww adh77]] ([[User talk:Ww adh77#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ww adh77|contribs]]) 13:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Nominate article for GA status? ==

This article meets the GA criteria in [[WP:GA?]], and so obtaining GA status would be likely, and would contribute to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Madonna|Madonna WikiProject]]. The GA nomination is however recommended to be submitted by a significant contributor, if possible (as per [[WP:GANI]]). [[User:Theknine2|Theknine2]] ([[User talk:Theknine2|talk]]) 01:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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