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==Infobox==
I attempted to fix the location box, I managed to line it up better however it is still not completely in line, would someone with a better grasp of code help here?<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:0sd0|0sd0]] ([[User talk:0sd0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/0sd0|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:I converted it to an infobox. Please check that the directions are correct, and add localities for the other directions as you think appropriate. See {{tl|Infobox New Zealand suburbs}} for other fields that are available.-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 06:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Merge proposal ==

[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] has proposed to merge [[Northcote Point]] into this article. If I put Northcote and Northcote Point into Google Maps, I get two distinct areas. Most of Northcote is north of Onewa Road. All of Northcote Point is south of that road. It would thus appear that we are talking about two distinct suburbs. There is some material in this article that appears to belong to the Northcote Point article. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color:#000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color:#FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 05:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
:Both appear to be covered by the same Statistics New Zealand area unit. See [http://www.stats.govt.nz/StatsMaps/Home/Maps/2013-census-quickstats-about-a-place-map.aspx?viewer=viewer_config_2013_Live.txt&webmap=map_config.txt&layerId=1&featureId=509800]. The area units are subdivided into mesh blocks but these are generally smaller areas than we would consider having a Wikipedia article about.-<span style="font-family:cursive; color:grey;">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</span> 06:07, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
:Agreed and {{done}} [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 16:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

== Northcote and Northcote Central ==

[[Northcote, New Zealand]] (let's call it "Northcote" for short) and [[Northcote Central]] is a mess. Do they overlap, is one part of the other, or are they separate areas? The info box has Northcote south of Northcote Central. Almost all the content (except pop.) of Northcote Central – the shopping centre and three schools – is also included in Northcote. That makes it look like Northcote Central is part of Northcote, yet the Northcote pop. is given as half that of Northcote Central.

#Should Northcote Central be merged into Northcote?
#Should one be defined as part of the other, and the pop. figures corrected for that?
#Should the two be kept separate, but the Northcote Central content moved from Northcote to Northcote Central, and the boundary defined precisely? If so, should Northcote be renamed "Northcote South", if we follow StatsNZ?
#Or something else? [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 08:26, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Nurg}} There were three articles: Northcote (this one), Northcote Central, and Northcote Point. Northcote is the entire suburb (and incidentally the name of [[Northcote (New Zealand electorate)|the electorate of the same name]]). Northcote Point is the southern portion of the suburb, and it is literally a point jutting out into the harbour to which the northern end of the [[Auckland Harbour Bridge]] makes landfall. The Point is clearly demarcated from the rest of the suburb by Onewa Road, a 4-lane transport route running east-west across the suburb.

::[[Northcote Point]] was merged into Northcote, New Zealand sometime in the recent past, and redirects there. To answer your question, Northcote Central is used to make a distinction from the Point (ie. it means everything but the Point) but I think it really centres on the Northcote shopping centre and the businesses there, and is used that way by [[Auckland Council]] in its redevelopment plans for the shopping centre. [[User:Akld guy|Akld guy]] ([[User talk:Akld guy|talk]]) 09:02, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

:::Thanks, {{ping|Akld guy}} So, you're saying Northcote is the entire suburb, and divides into two: Northcote Central and Northcote Point (though the latter no longer has a separate article). But acc to [[Northcote Central]], it had a pop. of 8,757 in 2006, which is bigger than the whole suburb at 4,122 in 2006 – this is impossible. It looks to me that we should merge Northcote Central into Northcote, as was done for Northcote Point. [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 10:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

::::StatsNZ [http://archive.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/quickstats-about-a-place.aspx?request_value=13271&parent_id=13171&tabname=&sc_device=pdf data from the 2013 census] lists a population of 4254 for Northcote South, which it says was an increase of 132 over the 2006 census. That tallies with the 4122 already listed for 2006. I'm unsure what is meant by Northcote South, and more investigation is needed. [[User:Akld guy|Akld guy]] ([[User talk:Akld guy|talk]]) 11:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

There are no formal definitions for suburb boundaries, so I use the census area units. In many cases, the area units are smaller than the suburbs, so I combine two or more to correspond to the suburb. Each census shifts the area unit boundaries, so the population is not directly comparable from one census to the next, although Statistics New Zealand does provide the population for the last two censuses for the current boundaries. For the area we are calling Northcote Central, I used the area units of Ocean View and Tuff Crater in the 2013 census, and the area units of Northcote Central (Auckland), Akoranga and Northcote Tuff Crater in the 2018 census. For the area we are calling Northcote, I used the area unit Northcote South in 2013 and the area units Northcote South (Auckland) and Northcote Point (Auckland) in 2018. I'm just using my judgement to decide what fits. Perhaps Akoranga should be given an article of its own, as it's primarily a commercial area rather than a residential one. Perhaps Northcote Tuff Crater should be included in Northcote rather than Northcote Central. Maps of these area units can be seen for [http://archive.stats.govt.nz/StatsMaps/Home/Maps/2013-census-quickstats-about-a-place-map.aspx 2013] and [https://datafinder.stats.govt.nz/layer/92212-statistical-area-2-2018-generalised/ 2018]. -<span style="font-family:cursive; color:grey;">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</span> 04:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

== Merger ==

After improving the page, I've merged [[Northcote, Auckland]] and [[Northcote Central]], based on the two areas having a shared history and identity, and the discussions above. --[[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 00:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

==Pronunciation==

The article gave the pronunciation as /ˈnɔːrθkət/, but without any sources (and this didn't match my own experiences). I couldn't find an authoritative source, but I did a brief survey on YouTube:
*/ˈnɔːrθkət/: one instance [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHbifFSmVtA @ 0:10]
*/ˈnɔːrθkoʊt/: 14 instances [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLPTXdXtiSw @ 0:08 and 2:43][https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=HWv3lfkgbGU 0:39][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8jzVK_m5ew 0:49][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocaNTjy1PIk 0:02][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKpBO7eCxWE 0:03][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0v5QDLxSc 0:34][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7c6vFr-Ykw 0:14, 0:50, 2:14][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNO8OY6uRi0 0:05, 0:27][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHFb0t-BvTw 0:07, 0:59]

There's likely a lot more that I'm missing, but since /koʊt/ was overwhelmingly what people preferred, I've added this as the primary pronunciation. If there are any sources I'm missing, please let me know (or add a citation to the page). --[[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]])

==Additional sources==
Here are a few additional sources that I did not incorporate into the page (but probably have some wonderful info):
*{{cite q|Q123906114}}
*{{cite report|url=https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/UnitaryPlanDocuments/06-pc82-reviews-kaipatiki-local-board.pdf |title=PC82 – Reviews Kaipatiki Local Board |date=August 2021 |access-date=18 December 2023 |publisher=[[Auckland Council]]}}
*{{cite report|url=https://northcote-im.co.nz/assets/Uploads/Archaeological-Assessment.pdf |title=Archaeological Survey and Assessment of Effects: Northcote precinct, Stages 2Cii, 3C, 3Dii/4A, 4B, 4C |date=March 2019 |first1=Janice |last1=Adamson|first2=Hans-Dieter |last2=Bader |access-date=18 December 2023 |publisher=Archaeology Solutions Ltd}}