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==What is salafi jihadism==

This new term is invented by west to save al qaida from calling as wahhabi (of saudi arabia). This trick will help them to achieve support from govt of saudi arabia. There is no such term in encyclopedias so I recommend to delete this article. This new name for extremist islamism is coined   to deviate the attention from the saudi wahhabi link with al qaida. This term is never used in media and nor is found in any encyclopedias.  [[User:Zikrullah|Zikrullah]] ([[User talk:Zikrullah|talk]]) 15:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::The article cites notable, credible publications that use the concept of "Salafi jihadism." Also Salafism is not synonymous with Wahhabiism—Salafist groups prefer the term "Salafist" over "Wahahabi," as do many self-identified Wahhabis, so "Salafi" seems appropriate. Their particular focus on violent jihad seems to validate the term "Salafi jihadism," I think. [[User:Acone|Acone]] ([[User talk:Acone|talk]]) 06:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

==Mention of Sayyid Qutb==

[[Sayyid Qutb]] was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and is not a Salafi. Removing references to Syed Qutb from this article.
[[User:Shijaz|Shijaz]] ([[User talk:Shijaz|talk]]) 08:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


==Image of Osama bin Laden==

Removing image of Osama because he is not referred in the article.
Also - Osama is not a Salafi, he is an adherent of Qutbism, hence the image is misleading. See main article [[Osama bin Laden]].
[[User:Shijaz|Shijaz]] ([[User talk:Shijaz|talk]]) 08:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

:Al Qaeda is a jihadi salafi organization. bin Laden is its head. Qutb is recognized as a major influence on Al Qaeda. jihadi salafis are not the same as salafis.   We have to refer to Reliable sources and not to your opinion on who is and who isn't a jihadi salafi --[[User:BoogaLouie|BoogaLouie]] ([[User talk:BoogaLouie|talk]]) 01:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::I will not disagree with you if this article is strictly meant to be Gilles Kepel's POV. I suggest you read [[Criticism_of_Osama_bin_Laden]] for the facts and other references to know the facts of bin Laden's affiliations.[[User:Shijaz|Shijaz]] ([[User talk:Shijaz|talk]]) 12:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Kepel is a notable source, so far I have found no other notable mention of jihadi salafis that contradict him. --[[User:BoogaLouie|BoogaLouie]] ([[User talk:BoogaLouie|talk]]) 20:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC) 
:::Yes salafi scholars attack bin Laden. (I suspect some salafi scholars attack other salafi scholars. That does not mean the attacked scholars are not considered salafi.)  But again, this is an article on jihadi salafism which is not the same as salafism. --[[User:BoogaLouie|BoogaLouie]] ([[User talk:BoogaLouie|talk]]) 18:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Number of Salafist jihadists? ==

Can anyone confirm or cite the number of followers? It used to say 1 percent of 2.5 billion Muslims (incorrect, as there are only 1.4 billion Muslims in the world)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kkhach|Kkhach]] ([[User talk:Kkhach|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kkhach|contribs]]) 09:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

"Journalist Bruce Livesey estimates Salafi jihadists constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.9 billion Muslims (c. 10 million)." I double checked the citation, and Bruce Livesey writes: "Salafi jihadists -- who constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims..." I think the article should contain the number used by Livesey, even if it is outdated, if it is going to cite his "1 percent" figure. 
--[[Special:Contributions/71.94.75.230|71.94.75.230]] ([[User talk:71.94.75.230|talk]]) 02:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

== Needs Rewrite ==

The first paragraph of the body is poorly written and not in the wikipedia style.  Use of a journalist as though he was an expert on the issue is also questionable.  1% of 1.4 Billion is 14 million an entirely implausible number.  The active duty contingent of the US army is only a half a million.  Foreign Policy suggests that Afghanistan for example has militants ranging in number from a few hundred to no more than 3 or 4 thousand.  The expert mentioned is not even terribly notable even as a journalist much less as an authority to be used in the introduction.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.178.155.29|71.178.155.29]] ([[User talk:71.178.155.29|talk]]) 19:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Motion to rename page "Salafist jihadism/terrorism" ==

More descriptive to people who don't know much about the arabic term "jihad" but understand the mainstream word "terrorism". Mark your post with '''Oppose''' or '''Support''' followed by argument for or against. In addition, any combination of "Salafist/Salafi terrorist/jihadist" should probably redirect here. [[User:Parjlarsson|Pär Larsson]] ([[User talk:Parjlarsson|talk]]) 18:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Pointless. How many people are there who know what a Salafi is but don't know what a jihad is? [[User:Paul S|Paul S]] ([[User talk:Paul S|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:Merge this with [[Mujahideen]], this is just a rarely used neologism. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 23:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:Errr, what? That term for many people refer to non-terrorist freedom fighters such as against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan - and is on occasion used to refer to non-violent people who "struggle". If anything, make it a section of [[Terrorist]].[[User:Parjlarsson|Pär Larsson]] ([[User talk:Parjlarsson|talk]]) 15:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': Considering Jihadism a fine-line between [[Jihad]] and [[Terrorism]], weather the current article explains the defensive side or not. Btw, I'm '''not''' saying that Jihadism is legitimate, LOL [[User:adamrce|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><span style="color:#663300;">'''''   ~ AdvertAdam'''''</span></span>]][[User Talk:adamrce|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><sup>  talk</sup></span>]] 19:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure that people do know what [[jihad]] is.  Most consider it purely in terms of belief justified aggression even though it has a wider meaning of spiritual struggle.   [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 10:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

== Motion to rename page "Qutbist jihadism/terrorism" ==

In the article it's mentioned that Sayyid Qutb is the antecedent for this sect. Then why not call it Qutbist-Jihadism? Why use the word Salafi? Have any of the leading Salafi Scholars of the recent past and present ever condoned terrorism or what's called "jihadism"? No!  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/59.181.139.28|59.181.139.28]] ([[User talk:59.181.139.28|talk]]) 09:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Have added this to the article:
::''They are sometimes described as a variety of Salafi<ref name=demystif>{{cite web|last=El-Baghdadi|first=Iyad|title=Salafis, Jihadis, Takfiris: Demystifying Militant Islamism in Syria|url=http://www.el-baghdadi.com/articles/48-articles/129-analysis-of-islamistjihadist-fears-in-syria.html|work=15 January 2013|accessdate=10 March 2013}}</ref>, and sometimes as separate from "good Salafis"<ref name="BLivesey"/> whose movement is a "precursor" of Salafist jihadism<ref name=terms/>.'' --[[User:BoogaLouie|BoogaLouie]] ([[User talk:BoogaLouie|talk]]) 22:46, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I second this motion of renaming the page; 'Salafi' is considered a pejorative among muslims, and it's an insult that this is considered acceptable as an term of usage on wikipedia. [[User:Solntsa90|Solntsa90]] ([[User talk:Solntsa90|talk]]) 04:40, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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== Image. ==

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52300000/jpg/_52300851_011770030-1.jpg would be pertinent I would think. I'm no copyright expert, though, so if someone could figure out what/if/how or an alternative that'd be pimp.[[User:Parjlarsson|Pär Larsson]] ([[User talk:Parjlarsson|talk]]) 18:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
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The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. {{RMnac}} &mdash;[[User talk:Innotata|''innotata'']] 23:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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[[:Salafist jihadism]] → {{no redirect|Salafi jihadism}} – Per: good English as [[:wikt:-ist|-ist]] denotes a noun and not an adjective; [[WP:Criteria]], Consistency which applies due to commonality with [[Salafi movement]] and [[Islamic Salafi Alliance]] and [[WP:UCRN]] as [https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22Salafist+Jihadism%22 "Salafist Jihadism"] gets "About 5,860 results" while [https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22Salafi+Jihadism%22 "Salafi Jihadism"] gets "About 11,600 results".  Another name possibility could be [https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22Salafi+Jihad%22 "Salafi Jihad"] which gets "About 24,500 results". <small>--'''Relisted.''' [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 02:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC)</small> [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 10:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support'''. I get [http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22Salafist+jihadism%22 10] news stories for "Salafist jihadism," [http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22Salafi+jihadism%22 21] for ""Salafi jihadism." [[User:Claimsworth|Claimsworth]] ([[User talk:Claimsworth|talk]]) 10:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC)</s> (sock)
:: That's one-third for the current title and two-thirds for the proposed. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 15:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 10:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support'''. I would like to see the Jihadism capitalized though [[User:Gazkthul|Gazkthul]] ([[User talk:Gazkthul|talk]]) 23:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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== Requested move 11 December 2014 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus to move''' the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Merges are outside the scope of this close. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 02:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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[[:Salafi jihadism]] → {{no redirect|Salafism}} – as per [[WP:AT]] and [[WP:UCRN]]
*[https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9%22&tbm=bks "السلفية الجهادية"] "Salafi Jihadism" gets "About 827 results" in google books.
*[https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=bks&q=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9 السلفية] "Salafi"/"Salafism" gets "About 146,000 results" in Google books
*[https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=bks&q=%22Salafi+Jihadism%22 "Salafi Jihadism"] gets "About 490 results" in Google books
*[https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=bks&q=%22Salafist+Jihadism%22 "Salafist Jihadism"] gets "About 261 results" in Google books
*[https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=bks&q=%22Salafism%22 "Salafism"] gets "About 5,430 results" in Google books

Ping {{Yo|User:MezzoMezzo}} {{Yo|User:Inayity}} {{Yo|User:Islamic11111}} {{Yo|User:Toddy1}}. Alternatively suggest :

'''Merge''' to [[Jihadism]] or 

'''Move''' to "Jihadist-Salafism" or "Salafist-jihadism" as per suggestion of [[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] below.

17:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC) edited: [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 11:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

*'''merge/move''': these fusions of terms something Islamic + Jihad I think exist to SHOCK! Very little value on a serious level. Jihad is a complex term, we all know that. And Western POV is far too dominant, so that Jihad seems to be the language of so-called Anti-Terrorism (uh huh). Its obviously not Wikipedia place to be PC, but it is hard when every 5 minutes something on CNN starts creating new fear words. And I just read the lead, should this even be an article? Does it meet the standard? Poor and uninformative. --[[User:Inayity|Inayity]] ([[User talk:Inayity|talk]]) 08:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
::[[User:Inayity|Inayity]] Exactly.  My first thoughts, which I still think are justified, were to move and expand content to fit [[Salafism]]. The article, according to title, purports to cover a Salafi concept.  If it doesn't cover a Salafi concept then this gives an alternate reason for the article to be moved.  If not to "Salafism", then '''Merge''' to [[Jihadism]].  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 11:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)  
*'''Comment''': Isn't {{no redirect|Salafism}} simply synonymous with the {{no redirect|Salafi movement}}? —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 17:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

*there is another open request already asking for a move to salafism from a different page, see [[Talk:Salafi movement#Requested move 19 November 2014]], no one there seems to think the word just applies to "jihad".  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:D:3080:EA2:5C24:A8FA:4F25:BA8C|2601:D:3080:EA2:5C24:A8FA:4F25:BA8C]] ([[User talk:2601:D:3080:EA2:5C24:A8FA:4F25:BA8C|talk]]) 19:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Salafism isn't synonymous with Salafi Jihadism. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 20:29, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

*This move makes no sense and tries to imply that the Salafi movement is all Jihad-related. The media can take that approach if they want, but not here on an Encyclopedia. The search results mean nothing here, as we are not comparing the same term.  Salafi Jihadism has no relation to Salafism other than being a tiny part of it. ~~  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Adamrce mobile|Adamrce mobile]] ([[User talk:Adamrce mobile|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adamrce mobile|contribs]]) 21:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*I '''oppose''' the move; it is illogical. [[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 21:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

*'''Oppose - "Jihadist-Salafism" or "Salafist-jihadism" would be better''': the words "Salafist" and "Salafism" tend to be used in the context of law enforcement and counter-terrorism, whereas "Salafi" tends to be used in more neutral writing - for example [http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100437554 "Salafism" is used in the "Dictionary of Law Enforcement", whereas "Salafi" is used in "The Oxford Dictionary of Islam", etc.].  However, there needs to be a qualifying word, such as "Jihadist" or "jihadism"; most Salafis are not jihadis.  I did my own Google books searches - restricting to Books only, exact phrase, English language only:
**[https://www.google.com/search?lr=lang_en&hl=En&tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Jihadist-Salafism&tbs=,bkt:b&num=10&gws_rd=ssl#q=Jihadist-Salafism&lr=lang_en&hl=En&tbs=bkt:b,lr:lang_1en&tbm=bks&start=520 Jihadist-Salafism]- 527.
**[https://www.google.com/search?lr=lang_en&hl=En&tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Salafi-jihadism&tbs=,bkt:b&num=10&gws_rd=ssl#q=Salafi-jihadism&lr=lang_en&hl=En&tbs=bkt:b,lr:lang_1en&tbm=bks&start=580 Salafi-jihadism] - 587
**[https://www.google.com/search?lr=lang_en&hl=En&tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Salafist-jihadism&tbs=,bkt:b&num=10&gws_rd=ssl#q=Salafist-jihadism&lr=lang_en&hl=En&tbs=bkt:b,lr:lang_1en&tbm=bks&start=630 Salafist-jihadism] - 638
:I have amended the introduction to the article, because the cited sources did not say that Giles Kepel coined the term "Salafi jihadism"; they say that he coined the terms "Salafist jihadists" and "Jihadist-Salafism".--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 21:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Propose''' either a '''merge''' of contents into '''[[jihadism]]''' '''OR''' a '''move''' to "'''Jihadist-Salafism'''" or "'''Salafist-jihadism'''" as presented by <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]]</span>.  The current title fails [[WP:AT]] which requires the standard that, The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles.  The article talks about jihadism as followed amongst people who follow Salafism.  There is nothing new
:'''Comment''' The topic does not describe a new type of [[jihadism]] and, as such, the title [[Salafi jihadism]] is misleading.  The lead of the article states: "The terms "Salafist jihadists" and "Jihadist-Salafism" were coined by scholar [[Gilles Kepel]] <sup>[doesn't say when]</sup> to describe the beliefs of the [[Salafi movement|Salafi]] who became interested in violent/[[offensive jihad]]".  Surely this is simply jihadism as followed within the Salafi movement.  It is either Salafism or its jihadism or, as in Venn diagram type notation, its both.  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 04:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Different concept. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 08:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
**[[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]]  Is that a different concept to Salafism.  In that case would you agree that the jihadism mentioned is misleadingly described as "Salafi"?  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 14:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::* Very close to it, if you can write a little bit more, I would further research and change my vote. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 16:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::::[[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]], I'm hoping that the resolution of content below should point to conclusions.  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 11:51, 14 December 2014 (UTC) 
*'''Strongly oppose''' I dislike using the "strongly" appellation, but all the suggested moves here betray a lack of information regarding the topics involved. Salafism is an ideology. Jihadism is another one. Salafi Jihadism is an '''extremely''' common term in Arabic media for a movement which even describes itself that way in many instances. It is a sub-branch of the wider Salafist movement, perhaps most of which are not jihadists. At the same time, not all jihadists are salafists; the Taliban, for example, are Deobandis (that's a rival movement to Salafism). These terms absolutely do '''NOT''' refer to one and the same thing, and all of them are attested to in Arabic and English as independent ideologies/movements/whatever the preferred nomenclature is. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] ([[User talk:MezzoMezzo|talk]]) 03:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:*[[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] From what you say, all [[Salafi Jihadism|Salafi Jihadists]] are [[Jihadists]]. In mathematical terminology this means that the first is a [[subset]] of the second. I presented the search '[https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9+%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9%22&tbm=bks "سلفية جهادية"] "Salafist Jihadism" gets "About 26 results" in google books' which I believed had used the most accurate rendering of the term.  How should we best conduct an Arabic language search on "Salafi jihadism"?   I have seen quoted that [[Salafi Jihadism]] is a [[Neologism]] which I now think would be best covered within the context of a section of the jihadism article.  A redirect could still be made from the name space Salafi Jihadism to the appropriate section of the jihadism text.  Comment can also be made in the article on the [[Salafi movement]] with reference to the term "Salafi jihadism" to the extent appropriate so as to indicate that many Salafists are also jihadists.  My understanding was that "Salafi Jihadism" is a Western terminological creation which I don't think is deserving of a separate article.  
::[[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 11:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::The Arabic phrase you asked about: {{lang|ar|سلفية جهادية}} (''{{transl|ar|ALA|Salafīyah jihādīyah}}''), which is the title of the [https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9 corresponding article on Arabic Wikipedia], literally means 'jihadist Salafism', because in Arabic the modifier follows the modified noun, so the word order is reversed via-à-vis English. If you want to follow the model of the quoted Arabic phrase, then you ought to change the article title to "Jihadist Salafism." If, on the other hand, you decide that the proper phrasing in English is "Salafi jihadism," then the Arabic for that would be {{lang|ar|الجهادية السلفية}}, ''{{transl|ar|ALA|al-Jihādīyah al-Salafīyah}}''. 

:::From what I know of Salafism in general, it is a methodology for deriving jurisprudence from  ''al-Salaf'', which means the earliest Muslims. That in itself is not synonymous or coterminous with jihadism, though there's nothing that prevents them from overlapping, either, as the earliest Muslims practiced jihad and thereby provided source material. Compare with Wahhabism, a fundamentalist approach to theology, which Salafism is very closely connected with. In the 18th and 19th centuries, Wahhabi dogma formed the impetus for jihadism against the Ottoman rulers of the Arabian Peninsula, so for my 2¢ worth, I tend to think of Wahhabism as having the more immediate connection to jihadism. Nevertheless, the leading figure who inspired the Salafist methodology, Ibn Taymīyah, also preached jihad against the Muslim rulers of his day. I guess what I'm saying is that the three terms Salafi, Wahhabi, and jihadist, while strictly speaking not synonymous with one another, are nevertheless deeply entangled together. Hope this helps.
:::[[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] ([[User talk:Johanna-Hypatia|talk]]) 12:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

::::[[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] {{TY}} On the topic of overlaps would you think that Salafi jihadism is considered to be a type of jihadism or is it considered in some other way?  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 13:04, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

:::::You know, the explicit linkage of Salafism and jihadism is something fairly new. I've only noticed the two terms combined in the past few years, particularly in connection with the unrest in Syria. In my experience as a Muslim over the past 30 years, Salafis were the guys who would infest the mosque and harangue and nag everybody else that they're doing everything wrong, and anybody who isn't Salafi is going to Hell. Jihadists were of a somewhat different stripe, people who got motivated over Palestine and the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, people who tended toward action, while Salafis were the ones who preferred posing as holier-than-thou rather than taking up guns. As I said, when I heard news from Syria a few years ago that Salafi and Jihadi were now directly linked, it was something new to me. [[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] ([[User talk:Johanna-Hypatia|talk]]) 13:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::[[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] My initial suggestion was for Salafi/Salafist jihadism to be moved to the name space Salafism.  An alternative would be to move the content as a "Salafi jihadism" section of [[Salafi movement]].  Would that be appropriate?  I have come to suspected that a similar pushing as you have witnessed in mosques has also in effect in Wikipedia.  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 13:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I haven't read the article, but your idea sounds like it would work. [[User:Johanna-Hypatia|Johanna-Hypatia]] ([[User talk:Johanna-Hypatia|talk]]) 20:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

::::::::{{ping|Gregkaye}}, it's '''not''' a neologism; the term has been around since the 1990s. I will try to explain the same exact thing again, with different words.
::::::::Salafism is an ideology and movement, as described above. They have their clerics and figureheads like Bin Baz, Albani etc.
::::::::Jihadism is also an ideology, but much broader. It includes Salafis, Sufis, plain vanilla Muslims, etc.
::::::::Salafist Jihadism ''is'' a subset of Salafism, but numerically it is large. Being a subset of a larger movement ''is not'' grounds for merging articles, especially when that subset has it's own separate leaders (Abu Qatada, Abu Baseer, etc.) and has enough reliable sources to establish it as a notable topic in and of itself. The more important guideline here is that of notability.
::::::::Now regarding the number of hits, what you posted above is a book search. I switched over to the news search and found another [https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9+%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9%22&tbm=nws 608 hits]. [[User:Toddy1]] also pointed out numerous hits in English, which is more important as we are on English Wikipedia; English sources are the determining factor.
::::::::We can draw several conclusions. Salafist Jihadism is real, just like Salafism and Jihadism are real. Not all Jihadists are Salafists and not all Salafists are Jihadists, so the topic of this article is separate and independent from others. There are enough citations in scholarly and journalistic sources to satisfy [[WP:SIGCOV]]. I also don't see how it falls under [[WP:NOTNEO]], as it simply isn't a neologism. That wouldn't even make sense.
::::::::There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for merging any of the mentioned articles with each other given their length, notability and the fact that they're simply separate topics. That's basically the long version of what I was trying to say before. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] ([[User talk:MezzoMezzo|talk]]) 03:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Definition==
'''Comment''' Salafi jihadism is a [[subset]] both of the ideology within the [[Salafi movement]] and of [[Jihadism]].  [[User:Gregkaye|GregKaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 06:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I do not think this is correct. "Salafi jihadism" is just the earlier term, later shortened to "jihadism". 
Apparently, the article confuses Arabic and English/French usage. 
There is no reason why Arabic "سلفية جهادية" should not equal English "jihadism", exactly ''because'' Arabic cannot match the hybrid form "jihadism" (which would result in jihadiyya, which is ''not'' a neologism). The argument that "the Taliban are Deobandi but Al Qaeda are Salafi" is completely contrived; this didn't stop them from close collaboration, and their methods and aims are exactly the same. "The role of the Salafi movement in the development of contemporary jihadism" would be a coherent way of putting it, but that makes clear that we are just looking at a partial aspect best treated in context.  

The argument that the jihadism article is too long for merging is based on the circumstance that it was completely broken, and went on insane tangents about "Jihad" in general and "the battles of Muhammad" and what have you. 
"Jihadism" as a concept covers 1980 to present, so a cleanup of the "jihadism" page would mean getting rid of the incoherent tangents and instead incorporating the valid material on 1990s Salafi jihadism we have here.  --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 17:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
:Please read what Mezzomezzo has to say above on the issue. ''The argument that "the Taliban are Deobandi but Al Qaeda are Salafi" is completely contrived'' is total nonsense. It is not contrived in the slightest. Different schools of thought sometimes collaborate.  --[[User:BoogaLouie|BoogaLouie]] ([[User talk:BoogaLouie|talk]]) 17:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
:Jihadism is not synonymous with Salafi Jihadism as there are also Shia Jihadist groups. [[User:Gazkthul|Gazkthul]] ([[User talk:Gazkthul|talk]]) 22:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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== [[Jihadism]] ==

There’s a discussion at [[Talk:Jihadism#Against the West]] about what to do with the article, with one of the options being to merge here. Please feel free to join the discussion. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 21:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)