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== Draft created after deletion review ==
{{ping|K.e.coffman|S Marshall}} given [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 August 3|this deletion review]] I'd appreciate extra eyes on the draft. [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 14:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*Hi, thanks for the invitation.  I'm not sure that it's right to say Shaurya Doval is a politician? -- I think he's a businessman primarily, who's making early steps to break into politics.  Let's say, charitably, that the sources seem to be about his political ambitions rather than his political achievements.—[[User:S Marshall|<b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S&nbsp;Marshall</b>]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:S Marshall|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/S Marshall|C]]</small> 16:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

== Notability assessment ==
Reliable sources based on [[User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media|this assessment]] where possible

{{ source assess table | user= Curb Safe Charmer | startopen=Yes | 
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2017/06/25/435000/center-american-progress-u-s-india-task-force/ Center for American Progress]
| ind      =     n
| ind_just =     Text probably provided by Doval
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     One paragraph profile
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/how-national-security-advisor-ajit-dovals-son-shaurya-reinvented-himself-into-a-key-policy-player/articleshow/48322773.cms?from=mdr The Economic Times]
| ind      =     ?
| ind_just =     [[The Economic Times]] is part of the same group of publications as [[WP:TOI]]; could be a paid piece
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     Well researched piece; no reason to believe anything in the article isn't factual; quotes Doval but remains balanced
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     Extensive article about Doval
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://thewire.in/politics/exclusive-think-tank-run-nsa-ajit-dovals-son-conflict-interest-writ-large The Wire #1]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     Substantial investigative journalism piece on the think-tank which Doval heads, 14 of the 34 paragraphs featuring analysis of how it interacts with Doval's business interests or how he justifies its funding and having ministers on the board 
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/why-congress-wants-pm-narendra-modi-to-dismiss-these-four-ministers-including-nirmala-sitharaman-suresh-prabhu/920174/ Financial Express]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     The article is about Doval's think tank, but doesn't tell us anything about Doval - just a mention
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://doc-research.org/author/shaurya-doval/ DOC Research Institute]
| ind      =     n
| ind_just =     Institute that Doval is involved with; text no doubt provided by Doval
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Brief bio
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.torchinvestment.com/#team Torch Investment]
| ind      =     n
| ind_just =     His own company's website
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     No reason to doubt any of the statements made in his bio, which are to be found in numerous other sources
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Very brief profile
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/28/narendra-modi-india-new-york-prime-minister The Guardian]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Source of stats on Maddison Square Garden event, no mention of Doval
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/nsa-ajit-dovals-son-attends-bjp-state-meet-triggers-talk-of-joining-politics-4990647/ Indian Express #1]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     [[WP:INDIANEXP]]
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     11 paragraphs about his attendance at a BLP meeting and whether he would stand for election
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.jagran.com/uttarakhand/dehradun-city-bjp-declared-convener-of-27-departments-21134179.html Dainik Jagran]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     n
| rel_just =     Per assessment at [[User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media#Dainik Jagran]]
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Just a mention
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.jansatta.com/rajya/uttarakhand/dehradun/national-security-advisor-ajit-doval-son-shaurya-doval-planning-to-contest-election-in-2019-from-uttarakhand/699561/ Jansatta #1]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     News story on Doval's poster campaign, tour of the region and reaction of his political party 
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://indianexpress.com/elections/surprise-ends-in-pauri-seat-as-bjp-announces-former-party-president-as-candidate-5637342/ Indian Express #2]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     [[WP:INDIANEXP]]
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Article about candidacy for the Pauri Garhwal seat in the general election - one paragraph of which states that Doval had been vying for the seat and referencing his campaign
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.hindustantimes.com/dehradun/shurya-doval-signals-entry-into-active-politics-from-uttarakhand/story-fGgNoFCmbAvDdCTN9m3jZM.html/ Hindustan Times]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     [[User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media#Hindustan Times]] casts a little doubt, but ''this piece'' seems perfectly reliable - the same is reported in the other newspapers
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     A ten-paragraph news article entirely about Doval, giving secondary analysis and reactions on his stepping into party politics
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.amarujala.com/dehradun/from-this-state-ajit-doval-son-will-enter-in-politics Amar Ujala]
| ind      =     n
| ind_just =     Not intellectually independent - based on an article in the Hindustan Times
| rel      =     n
| rel_just =     [[User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media#Amar Ujala]]
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.jansatta.com/rajpat/jansatta-special-column-rajpat-opinion-article-veteran-bjp-uttarakhand-leader-bhagat-singh-koshyari/863461/ Jansatta #2]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Just a mention
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.thehindu.com/elections/lok-sabha-2019/nsa-dovals-son-shaurya-doval-gets-vip-security-cover/article26994748.ece The Hindu #1]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     Five short paragraphs that verify that Doval was allocated a security detail for a couple of months around the time of India's general election
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://thewire.in/politics/shaurya-doval-response-the-wire-questions-answers-india-foundation The Wire #2]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     Article remains highly suspicious of Doval's activities
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     Substantial investigative journalism piece
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.thequint.com/news/hot-news/ajit-dovals-son-shaurya-conflict-of-interest-the-wire The Quint]
| ind      =     n
| ind_just =     Tertiary coverage of the exclusive story that was published in ''The Wire''. Not intellectually independent
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://caravanmagazine.in/business/ajit-doval-sons-cayman-islands-hedge-fund-vivek-shaurya The Caravan]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     Substantial piece of investigative journalism (30 paragraphs) exploring the "complex web of Asia-based companies that are intertwined with his brother’s ventures in the UK and the Cayman Islands"
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/vivek-doval-records-his-evidence-in-defamation-case-against-magazine/article27268749.ece The Hindu #2]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     [[WP:THEHINDU]]
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     About his brother. Shaurya Doval is not mentioned.
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/defamation-case-jairam-ramesh-apologises-to-vivek-doval-7111783/ Indian Express #3]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     [[WP:INDIANEXP]]
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     About his brother. Shaurya Doval is not mentioned.
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/nsa-ajit-dovals-son-shauryas-move-from-power-hub-to-base-at-home-uttarakhand-garhwal-5240603/ Indian Express #4]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     [[WP:INDIANEXP]]
| sig      =     y
| sig_just =     News story on Doval's poster campaign, tour of the region and reaction of his political party (similar to the Jansatta coverage)
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://eisenhower.secure.force.com/efworld/PublicFacingSearchPage?id=00541000005Zo0HAAS/ Eisenhower Fellowships]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     but [[WP:PRIMARY]] source
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     useful to confirm he was awarded the fellowship, but little content
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.facebook.com/chandigarhuniversitygharuan/videos/role-of-youth-in-making-india-a-5-trillion-economy/1345354972491626/ Chandigarh University #1]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     but [[WP:PRIMARY]] source
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     After Doval's speech, at 30 minutes in, the chancellor speaks of Doval in glowing terms but the description of his career and contribution to society is based on the same text used elsewhere, and may well have been provided, or at least reviewed by, Doval.
}}
{{ source assess
| source   =     [https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-releases/entrepreneurs-are-the-real-patriots-as-they-contribute-in-strengthening-of-nation-s-economy-says-thought-leader-shaurya-doval-853589967.html/ Chandigarh University #2]
| ind      =     y
| ind_just =     but [[WP:PRIMARY]] source
| rel      =     y
| rel_just =     
| sig      =     n
| sig_just =     confirms that the award was made, but otherwise is Doval expressing his own opinions
}}
}}
I have assessed that the subject passes [[WP:GNG]] due to significant and sustained coverage (2017-2020) in multiple reliable, independent publications. The draft was rewritten from the previous ones that were deleted and I don't think any content in this version is promotional. [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 20:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Another respected AfC reviewer {{u|Timtrent}} has provided his view on this analysis. Aside from the sources we agree on, he made the following observations:
:* He disagreed that [https://thewire.in/politics/exclusive-think-tank-run-nsa-ajit-dovals-son-conflict-interest-writ-large The Wire #1] was SIGCOV - more about the foundation rather than the man
:* He disagreed that [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/nsa-ajit-dovals-son-attends-bjp-state-meet-triggers-talk-of-joining-politics-4990647/ Indian Express #1] was SIGCOV - too speculative
:* He disagreed that [https://www.jansatta.com/rajya/uttarakhand/dehradun/national-security-advisor-ajit-doval-son-shaurya-doval-planning-to-contest-election-in-2019-from-uttarakhand/699561/ Jansatta #1] was sigcov
:* [https://www.hindustantimes.com/dehradun/shurya-doval-signals-entry-into-active-politics-from-uttarakhand/story-fGgNoFCmbAvDdCTN9m3jZM.html Hindustan Times] - uncertain
:* [https://caravanmagazine.in/business/ajit-doval-sons-cayman-islands-hedge-fund-vivek-shaurya The Caravan] - more about his brother
:* [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/nsa-ajit-dovals-son-shauryas-move-from-power-hub-to-base-at-home-uttarakhand-garhwal-5240603/ Indian Express #4] - too much of Doval's views
:[[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 20:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::@[[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] I'm grateful for your concise summary. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]] 20:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:::My full commentary may be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&oldid=104432622 in this permalink] should anyone wish to examine my thinking further. As I say there, {{tq|I do not pretend to be correct. I just have my opinion to go on when comparing the references with what I believe we need to show that the article should be kept.}}. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]] 20:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Potential references ==
{{Refideas
| {{Cite web|date=2018-08-12|title=All I am interested in is social service, says Shaurya Doval|url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/dehradun/all-i-am-interested-in-is-social-service-says-shaurya-doval/story-1WL4j1OJo9nFLt3bBGukrI.html|access-date=2021-09-14|website=Hindustan Times|language=en}} (May have been dropped as a reference previously?)
| {{Cite web|last=Sengupta|first=Uttam|date=2018-12-01|title=What was the ‘personal favour’ done to the NSA in Dubai?|url=https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/what-was-the-personal-favour-done-to-the-nsa-in-dubai|access-date=2021-12-09|website=[[National Herald]]|language=en}}
}}

== Remove speedy ==

I removed the speedy, given that the article has come through the draft process and the other comments and reviews on the talk page.  This subject does not qualify for [[WP:G4]].  [[User:Jeepday|Jeepday]] <small>([[User talk:Jeepday|talk]])</small> 11:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

It has also been at AFD at least two times. Including just last month and been deleted each time. THis article should be deleted and SALTED.[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 12:05, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Dear [[User:WilliamJE|William]] Yes, it was deleted previously. But then, after discussions with other Wikipedians, I was asked to write a draft which would be closely assessed. If you could read the talk page and the 2nd Deletion Nomination, you can find out the details. [[User:Ht24|Ht24]] ([[User talk:Ht24|talk]]) 12:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

== Contested deletion ==


Please share the reason for putting a speedy deletion tag on this article. I tried to write this as per the instructions from various Wikipedia editors and was approved by [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]]. He helped me understand Wikipedia policies and the rules to follow for drafting a new article.

Please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shaurya_Doval.
Thanks! [[User:Ht24|Ht24]] ([[User talk:Ht24|talk]]) 12:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

== Media scrutiny ==

I've reinstated the following statement made in the lead section after {{u|Nolopassaro99}} had deleted it: "Doval and his organisation have attracted media scrutiny due to their growing influence, opaque funding and ties to some of India cabinet ministers." I have added two references to support the statement, per the [[WP:MINREF]] and [[MOS:CITELEAD]] guidelines. [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 09:51, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

== Prince Mishaal bin Abdullah Al Saud ==

{{Ping|Kunal9584}} please explain your repeated removal of the statement "Torch Investment (previously known as Zeus Caps), a company chaired by Saudi Prince [[Mishaal bin Abdullah Al Saud]]." from the article? It is cited to Torch Investment's website, which [https://torchinvestment.com/#team clearly shows the prince as a member of the supervisory board]. [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 09:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)