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== Requested move 28 June 2020 ==
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The result of the move request was: There's '''consensus to move''' however '''no consensus''' as to whether Shoplifters should be a disambiguation page. I will create a temporary disambiguation page, however there may need to be another discussion as to whether disambiguation is appropriate.  ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 07:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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[[:Shoplifters]] → {{no redirect|Shoplifters (film)}} – the primary topic for the dicdef "shoplifters" is [[shoplifting]]. This title should be a [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]] to [[shoplifting]]. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 13:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Support''', immediately clear primary topic of the term. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom/above. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 16:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. "Shoplifters" is a general term, and the film's article should be disambiguated. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 16:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Disambiguate''' per [[WP:ASTONISH]] no clear primary topic, although by usage the film is likely primary is isn't by PT#2 and therefore per [[WP:NOPRIMARY]] a DAB probably makes most sense, redirect to [[Shoplifting (disambiguation)]] or create a new DAB page. Note that there was an undiscussed move last year but over a year probably makes it stable but it should still be moved. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  17:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nomination, BD2412, Kingsif, Erik and Crouch, Swale.&nbsp;—[[User:Roman Spinner|'''Roman Spinner''']] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roman Spinner|contribs)]]</small> 17:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:PRIMARYUSAGE]]. This film is not only the only article on WP actually titled "Shoplifters", but it gets [https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Shoplifters|Shoplifting|Shoplifting_(band)|Shoplifter_(artist) 4x the pageviews] of [[shoplifting]], probably more when you consider not too many people search for an article about shoplifting by typing "shoplifters", especially plural. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 18:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Disambiguate''' per [[WP:ASTONISH]], per [[User:Crouch, Swale]]. I'd say there's no primary topic for the title. When in doubt, disambiguate. <small>[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot|talk]])</small> 19:42, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' There is no evidence to support the claim that someone typing in "shoplifters" will be ''astonished'' to wind up at [[shoplifting]]. [[Thief]] and [[thieves]] redirects to [[theft]]. [[Criminal]] and [[criminals]] redirect to [[crime]]. [[Burglar]] and [[burglars]] redirect to [[burglary]]. [[Looter]] and [[looters]] redirect to [[looting]]. [[Shoplifter]], of course, redirects to [[shoplifting]]. It is unnecessary to hijack a proper "shoplifters" redirect just because a film exists. We tolerate variations of general terms redirecting to their common page. The film is a named title directly derived from a known and familiar term. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 22:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*:But there is evidence, which I provided above, that most people searching for or linking to [[Shoplifters]] will be astonished to arrive at [[shoplifting]]. ''At least'' 4 times as many people read the article about the popular and prize-winning film as about shoplifting. Even if every single person who reads the [[shoplifting]] article got there after first landing on [[Shoplifters]] by mistake, it still means that well over three quarters of all readers expect to be on the film's article. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 23:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. Hat it's can cover the [[WP:TWODABS]] situation and no dab page is needed. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 02:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per nom, and BD2412.[[User:Bingobro|<span style="color: red">'''Bingo'''</span><span style="color:blue">'''bro'''</span>]] [[User talk:Bingobro|<span style="color: navy">'''(Chat)'''</span>]] 04:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' While pageviews are sometimes a useful metric, in this case the dicdef concerns override that. [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 15:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:NOTADICTIONARY]] and per Station1. It is indeed highly unusual for a plural form to get anywhere close, let get more views than a singular form. When it does, that is very strong evidence that the plural form has a separate primarytopic. That's exactly what [[WP:PLURALPT]] contemplates. Also - Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTADICTIONARY]]. Being the primary usage of a word in the English language does not make it the primary ''encyclopedic topic''. The combination here means that the film is the primary topic of "Shoplifters". [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 18:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
*:[[WP:PLURALPT]] gives a similar example of [[Cars]] going to the noun not the film, as noted its likely that by usage its the film and by long-term significance its the crime. [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] also gives [[Apple]]/[[Apple Inc.]] as an example of long-term significance. There is conflict between the 2 therefore the DAB page is the best compromise. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  20:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I've had a think about this, and I believe the film is the primary topic of the term "Shoplifters" on WP, with more readers looking for the (acclaimed) film. If people were seaching for [[shoplifting]], I think they'd be more inclined to type in "shoplifter" or "shoplifted" to get to the topic on theft from shops. The hatnote setup works fine as it is. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 19:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - As per [[User:Station1]] above. Shoplifters is getting 4x the pageviews of Shoplifting, clearly people expect the film. I'm much more interested in what readers want and metrics, over self-important editors fannying about, making work for themselves. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 10:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nomination. [[Special:Contributions/207.161.86.162|207.161.86.162]] ([[User talk:207.161.86.162|talk]]) 04:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Station1 [[User:Ribbet32|Ribbet32]] ([[User talk:Ribbet32|talk]]) 04:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' obvious [[WP:NOPRIMARY]] for shoplifters other than shoplifting. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 10:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Clear primary redirect. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 23:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Box office ==
I corrected the box office gross according to the original source provided (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Manbiki-kazoku-(Japan)-(2018)). Because different sources provide different amounts, I did this for some kind of consensus that can be cited. If anyone has better source or procedure, please feel free to correct it and let me know so I can improve other articles accordingly. [[User:Primium|Primium]] ([[User talk:Primium|talk]]) 23:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

== Plot ==

Not sure if we saw the same movie or it differs in the translation, but according to what I saw, the retelling is wrong in some parts. [[Special:Contributions/2003:DB:1727:2700:8010:E5F2:D577:EA41|2003:DB:1727:2700:8010:E5F2:D577:EA41]] ([[User talk:2003:DB:1727:2700:8010:E5F2:D577:EA41|talk]]) 20:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)