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== Should Doutta Galla Yarraville Village aged care facility and Florence Aged Care Facility be included in the clusters? (17th August 2020) ==

Should these aged care homes be included in clusters?

https://maribyrnonghobsonsbay.starweekly.com.au/news/seven-coronavirus-deaths-linked-with-yarraville-aged-care-home/

https://maribyrnonghobsonsbay.starweekly.com.au/news/altona-north-nursing-home-linked-to-24-covid-19-cases/
[[User:HelperAnt|HelperAnt]] ([[User talk:HelperAnt|talk]]) 02:20, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

:I think it's a good idea to include them. At the moment, I'm just including the ones on the DHHS report, however the DHHS is only reporting on the bigger aged care outbreaks at the moment. As the DHHS isn't reporting on the smaller scale outbreaks, we're having ones such as Japara Goonawarran creep up for the first time with 87 cases and the Cumberland Manor cluster appeared today with 93 cases. It is a big hassle to search through media reports to find other clusters, but I think notable ones like these should be included. [[User:Keroks|Keroks]] ([[User talk:Keroks|talk]]) 10:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
:Are we aware of any additional outbreaks? I've also found this one [https://www.smh.com.au/national/outbreak-hits-another-aged-care-home-as-state-records-deadliest-day-in-pandemic-20200817-p55mdc.html Japara Elanora in Brighton] with 33 cases. There are a few other [https://japara.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/COVID-19-All-Residents-Families-Update-29.7.20.pdf Japara homes] with outbreaks. I'm concerned if these numbers are being bundled with other clusters already, or that they are just too low amount that the DHHS isn't reporting them yet. And also getting updates numbers from these homes may take a lot of media searching. [[User:Keroks|Keroks]] ([[User talk:Keroks|talk]]) 13:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

== State and Territory new cases timeline graph  needs more detail ==
Squishing the whole history into one timeline means you get a general overview, but makes it difficult to see what's going on right now. Is there an easy  way to add a radio button for the graph "Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases in Australian States and Territories." so that people can show either the complete graph for a State or just restrict the graph to just the last 28 days? ([[Special:Contributions/114.78.122.119|114.78.122.119]] ([[User talk:114.78.122.119|talk]]) 23:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC))

And, ideally community transmission should be split out from hotel quarantine cases. ([[Special:Contributions/114.78.122.119|114.78.122.119]] ([[User talk:114.78.122.119|talk]]) 23:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC))

:I think the page is designed to give a holistic view of the entire pandemic, not necessarily to track the specifics regarding the roadmap set out by the Victorian government. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 13:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

:Note we already have '''Warning: Template include size is too large'''. see [[Wikipedia:Template limits#Post-expand include size]], really we have to be reducing something. This could be done by changing the graphs. We could plot the previous months onto an image and include the image, and then only have the latest 28 days (OR MONTH) created using the templates. So we can probably kill two cats with this one fix. I changed reflist to the Wiki markup so some of the references now reappear. We will need [[user:Keroks]] to like this, as they are doing most of the editing lately. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 05:53, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
::Perhaps we could drop many of the infographic references and just include a link to the index of them. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 06:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks {{ping|Graeme Bartlett}}, I'm good with anything as long as I can keep doing the daily updates. I've replaced all the infographic references as links instead so hopefully they will lessen the load? [[User:Keroks|Keroks]] ([[User talk:Keroks|talk]]) 12:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
::::That seems to have overcome the problem. It is not just a load problem, but that the final stuff on the page was not rendering at all. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 22:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

== Do the numbers not add up? ==

Just wondering if someone knows why the total cases - deaths - active cases doesn't equal recoveries. Also on Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/) their active cases graph still has 1853 as of the 5th of Feb which is much different to the 52 which this wiki has. 28,848-909-26083=1856 not 52.  

From the government at a glance website https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#at-a-glance 28,848-909-52 =27,887 so shouldn't the recoveries be 27,887? Or maybe as the 52 is an estimate so is the recoveries but it seems so different..

Hope this makes sense. Maybe I am missing something here.

:Our numbers are based on what the Australian Government and State Governments have been reporting. NSW is the big outlier here as their numbers do not add up to cases - deaths - recoveries = active. Basically because they stopped reporting recoveries last year and even when they did they were always under-reporting them. For their active cases, they only report "active" as local cases that were acquired in the last four weeks. This pretty much means that all cases in hotel quarantine aren't counted as "Active" for NSW, which is different to the rest of the states. [[User:Keroks|Keroks]] ([[User talk:Keroks|talk]]) 12:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

== Deaths in Queensland  ==

I've added the following to '''[[Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia#April 2021]]'''. Not sure how, or if, it fits on this statistics page, as the first person was, I presume, diagnosed in PNG, and the second was from the Philippines, but per the source is the 7th&nbsp;COVID death recorded in Qld, and the first in about a year.

:"On 5 April, [[Malcolm Kela Smith]], a British born [[Papua New Guinea]]n, businessman, aviator and politician died aged 77-years from complications of [[COVID-19]] while under treatment in the intensive care unit at [[Redcliffe, Queensland|Redcliffe]] Hospital in [[Queensland]], Australia.<ref name="abc-malcolm-kela-smith-qld-death">{{cite news |last1=Zillman |first1=Stephanie |title=PNG aviator and politician Malcolm 'Kela' Smith remembered after dying from COVID-19 complications in Queensland hospital |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-07/qld-png-politician-malcolm-kela-smith-covid-death-palaszczuk/100052194 |access-date=7 April 2021 |work=ABC News |publisher=Australian Broadcasting Corporation |date=6 April 2021 |language=en-AU}}</ref>"

:"On 12 April an 80-year-old Australian man, who had been living in the Philippines but returned to Australia, died from COVID-19 in Queensland. It was the seventh death of a person who had been diagnosed with the virus in the state, and first COVID-19 death recorded in the state since an 83-year-old cruise ship passenger died in April 2020 in a Sydney hospital.<ref name="abc-qld-last-death-april-2020">{{cite news |last1=Ruddick |first1=Baz |last2=and |first2=staff |title=Queensland records first COVID death in almost a year |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-13/queensland-coronavirus-seventh-death-man-philippines/100059930 |access-date=13 April 2021 |work=ABC News |publisher=Australian Broadcasting Corporation |date=13 April 2021 |language=en-AU}}</ref>"
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Just FYI, if useful here. [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 03:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

== Active cases ==

 I looked at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/ and https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-active-cases/aus and noticed those two sites had slightly different data for active cases so I looked at https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics
and found it said, 

"current number of active cases, hospitalized cases and tests conducted in the last 24 hours. Note: the number of active cases is an estimate as states and territories differ in how they collect this data
total number of cases, deaths and tests.
Note: States and territories provide these figures daily. Due to the dynamic nature of case data, state and territory health departments may revise their daily numbers, where historic cases may be added or previously reported cases excluded after further investigation."

So I am guessing that might explain some of the variation. So I was thinking it's best to match to covidlive.com.au as that is an Australian site and seems more up to date unless there is somewhere from a government website that lists their figures going back. The older figures on Wikipedia I think will also need to be updated because of the historical revisions. 
[[User:HelperAnt|HelperAnt]] ([[User talk:HelperAnt|talk]]) 15:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

:Worldometers is not a primary source, it is sourcing off governments worldwide so I wouldn't worry too much about exactly matching up with them, nor are they a referenceable source. Up until a few months ago they were deducting NSW recoveries to get their active cases total, which was clearly incorrect as NSW stopped automatically classifying all non active cases as recoveries early in the pandemic. We started using the federal government numbers around mid July last year when it started being reported daily (hence the deviation in the chart). If someone could find a primary source that goes back further to keep it consistent it would be good, however, the difference doesn't affect the narrative shown in the trend all that much. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 06:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

== Pie chart glitch ==

The pie chart indicating COVID-19 cases by source of infection (in the section of the same name) reports that authorities are still investigating 0.000059% of cases. That's one case in 1,700,000. To the best of my knowledge, Australia has not had over one and a half million COVID cases. Something not right there... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 11:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

== Statistics Page Clean Up ==

Pinging {{ping |GKFX|Keroks|Bidgee|Joplin201017|HelperAnt|220 of Borg}}

Striking a balance between keeping charts on the page and encouraging more regular updating from editors by making the task of updating less laborious, I propose removing:
 
:- Cases by source of infection
 
:- Cases and deaths by age group and gender

They both have quite a lot of numbers to update when the information is replicated elsewhere. They can be added in at the end of the pandemic / when the government stops reporting daily numbers to give an overview.

:- COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia medical cases: The table showing the cumulative number of cases by state on each day.

:- Cumulative confirmed deaths by state, territory & nationally: The table showing the cumulative number of deaths by state on each day.

The information is replicated by their corresponding charts and I doubt readers need to know the exact number on a particular day.

It will leave the daily snapshot table which is quite a good summary and is presented also on the main page, as well as the cumulative cases chart, the daily cases charts (which I think are quite important to keep as it shows the waves), active cases chart and deaths chart. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 15:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

:I know what charts you mean with the first 2, you might need to provide links to the charts/plots/template involved with the others, to be certain. I have no problem with those 2 going, especially if they're out of date by much. I found it rather tedious and difficult to try to update charts with several ''weeks'' of data missing.
: Note also the "Daily active COVID-19 cases in Australia" chart/graph ([[Template:COVID-19 pandemic in Australia/Active Cases]]) used on this page is missing about a month of data from July – August, I did a bit of a bodgy 'update', skipping the missing dates/data and it actually looks like it's fairly close to what it should look like. At least the line is going in the right direction, UP! [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 17:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

::: {{reply to|Maranello10}} I agree with the proposed changes. Thanks [[User:Joplin201017|Joplin201017]] ([[User talk:Joplin201017|talk]]) 02:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

:::: {{reply to|220 of Borg}} {{strikethrough|I will update the active cases using the revision history of [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia cases by state/territory]]. Active cases were updated on most days so it will add some structure to the line.}} The daily historical active cases are available in the federal government's daily infographic [https://www.health.gov.au/resources/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic-collection#august-2021]. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 03:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
::::: {{Reply |Maranello10}} Sorry for not getting back to you. But, I just noticed that [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia deaths]], which I've been updating since 25 July (2 months!), doesn't seem to be used on ANY page! {{P|sad}} I think it ''was'' on the [[COVID-19 pandemic in Australia]] page. Was it removed for some reason? [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 15:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::: {{reply to|220 of Borg}} I suggested its removal as part of the clean up in late August (see the first message at the start of this section). No one seems to have an opinion to the contrary so I removed it, I was not steadfast that it had to be removed in particular or anything... I was just trying to reduce workload on the page to encourage updates. I have restored it. :) [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 05:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::: {{reply|Maranello10}} Well I wasn't actually requesting that it be returned, mostly peeved that I was updating an unused template. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ <br>• But I do think it presents data ''not'' available elsewhere. There was another death in Canberra yesterday/overnight, (though a 90-year-old having "end of life care", so arguable its a death from COVID-19). Without this chart it may not be noticed, and it is very likely not on the ACT COVID page yet. <br>• We do ''need'' to get more editors involved to update the '''''many''''' charts/plots not updated since about '''25 August'''. Catching up after a month isn't easy and I probably don't have the time to do it. <br>I've been updating: • NSWs' COVID page on my own, • the main Australian COVID page when needed, • Victorias' COVID page often too and the body text, at least, there is still way out-of-date, • the COVID  Protests page,  •Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia cases by state/territory, etc. so I'm pretty busy. [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 04:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: {{reply to|220 of Borg}} Yes I understand that would have been frustrating... and yes the table does have value, it was more a balancing workload thing for editors. I will try to update some of the charts you outlined when I am not busy but as I mentioned, I am "concluding" the cluster page once Australia completely abandons COVID-zero at 80% vaccination as it is the natural point, and probably won't be watching the pages that much after that, as I have been around in some capacity since the start of the pandemic. The problem with someone like yourself doing the majority of the updating and taking ownership, is it creates moral hazard for other editors who then don't periodically feel the need to update things themselves. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 04:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::::: {{reply to|Maranello10}} Thanks for reply. "moral hazard" is an interesting way of putting it. I'll watch myself on the 'ownership'. I already get peeved when editors don't bother to update access dates, for example, when sources are updated or don't use edit summaries. <br>• I am only using a 10-inch tablet computer to edit, which has its limitations, and slows my editing down. Pandemic related events have been many, and it's been getting 'busier', which doesn't help. Lockdown here just extended by a week, for instance.<br>• Adding to my 'frustration', my tablet has a nasty habit of crashing ''just'' when I save or preview an edit, so I sometimes have to re-do an hour's(?) editing! <br>•••  I've even started calling it ''Sudden Unexplained Mid-Edit Tablet Crash Syndrome'' (SUMETACS)!<br>• I was just looking at [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia medical cases]] and it looks like that's ''not'' used anywhere either. (Not a particularly accurate page name, IMHO.) I have put a list of pages & templates needing updates in another section below. Regards, [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 05:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::: {{reply to|220 of Borg}} Your reply was amusing. Damn that would suck with the tablet; hardware can make a huge difference when it comes to productivity. Best of luck with the SUMETACS :) [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 08:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::  {{reply to|Maranello10}} I've had ''many'' bl@@dy SUMETACS since then. I've developed a 'work around', but I've still had to redo a half hours (more?) editing several times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ <br>• It's possibly my 'fault' for having too many browser tabs open at the same time, possibly more common on larger pages? <br>• I also rarely turn the tablet off.  [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 10:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
I've just created a UserID here on Wikipedia only to enable me to post this message.  First up, many thanks to each of you who take the time to maintain this critical page here on Wikipedia.  About six of my friends and I, along with a number of our respective family members, really miss the table that contained the detailed statistics of Cases and Deaths by both Age Group and Gender.  Although this data is indeed available elsewhere, it was only available in such a well presented and succinct form, right here on this page.  Any chance of bringing this excellent table back - even if its data is updated only once a week instead?  --[[User:WPsuperfan|WPsuperfan]] ([[User talk:WPsuperfan|talk]]) 19:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

: {{ping|WPsuperfan}} I restored a couple of the charts. It is good to hear the page is useful, you are welcome to update the chart in question yourself if no one has done it in a while, by definition there is no barrier to entry on Wikipedia. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 02:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

:: Thanks for the fantastic support guys!  (I've already received a number of messages from friends and family who are thrilled to see that this segment of the page has now been restored.)  {{strikethrough|I'd love to help, but I'm not certain how the statistics for the Cases and Deaths by Age Group and Gender table are specifically procured.  Are the statistics drawn exclusively from the Australian Government's NNDSS published data sets, and if so, when is the best time each day to perform a scrape of this data?  I'm keen to understand the current process used to keep this table valid, as I'd really love to help you guys keep this amazing page as tight and up to date as possible. --[[User:WPsuperfan|WPsuperfan]] ([[User talk:WPsuperfan|talk]]) 01:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC)|strikethrough}}. Just wrapped up a complete update for the Cases and Deaths by Age Group and Gender Table, along with each of its associated Graphs.  Supplemented the heading for this section with the date of last update, in order to help readers identify the validity of this data.  Suggest maybe this might be a good idea for each of the other sections too?  --[[User:WPsuperfan|WPsuperfan]] ([[User talk:WPsuperfan|talk]]) 20:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

::: I was about to write to you about the NNDSS data but it looks like you worked it out, thanks for contributing. Yes, it is probably a good idea to have a last updated date in the description in relation to the charts, just keep the date formatting consistent (4 September 2021 rather than the 4th of September, 2021 for example). When I get some time I will also look into modifying the charts so a last updated date can be attached to the bottom of some of them in an elegant way. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 01:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: I'd suggest making any "Last updated" or similar, a manual operation too, not automatic. It seems to be a good idea, but I think not. It might not be changed with every update, or get forgotten,  but I disabled something similar on a template as ANY edit to the template made it look like it had been 'updated', when it hadn't. [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 15:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

== Updating required ==
{{Bang}} A lot of the plot/graph templates on this, and maybe other related pages are still up to month (more?) out of date. [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 15:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

On a quick visual check, the following are currently out-of-date:
* COVID-19 pandemic in Australia by state/territory
* Plot of COVID-19 cumulative cases in Australia
* Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases in Australian States and Territories. (25 August)
* COVID-19 deaths in Australia:
** Show deaths by States and Territories (linear scale)
** Show deaths by States and Territories (logarithmic scale)
*** the Deaths per day & Timeline of deaths (linear scale) plots ''appear'' to be up to date
[[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 04:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

* Add: [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia medical cases]] but which looks like its not used anywhere. [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 05:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

== New Tables and Graphs ==

After just completing my very first Wikipedia page-edit right here on this page - I'm now really keen to roll up my sleeves a little more.

I'd love to contribute my time to this excellent page you guys have created a little further still, by additionally maintaining a new Table and Graph entry which specifically displays the daily number of cases, plotted against daily vaccinations, against daily hospitalisations, against daily ICU admissions, against the daily deaths.

I'm confident that the cumulative visualisation of data such as this, especially when displayed over time, would really assist in grasping the true essence of the gravity of this pandemic here in Australia.
(To additionally display this data in a state by state fashion, would also clearly indicate when and why a state may have or may be heading into a run-away-train type scenario.)

I'm very keen to be the mule who hauls the data into the backend template each day, but I need a little help in setting it all up, as I am not familiar with the syntax used to create these templates here on Wikipedia.

Any thoughts or additional ideas that would help me get going on this, would be thoroughly appreciated.
--[[User:WPsuperfan|WPsuperfan]] ([[User talk:WPsuperfan|talk]]) 20:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

: {{ping|User:WPsuperfan}} I am happy to help, just create a new section on my talk page [[User talk:Maranello10|here]] and we can discuss what you have in mind. [[User:Maranello10|Maranello10]] ([[User talk:Maranello10|talk]]) 01:36, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

== Going green with Covid. ==

Has anyone come across any peer reviewed work mentioning the benefits of green cans where symptoms are showing? [[Special:Contributions/58.110.49.224|58.110.49.224]] ([[User talk:58.110.49.224|talk]]) 07:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)