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== Requested move 2 May 2020 ==
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<small>'''{{smallcaps|result:}}'''</small><br />'''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Three possible outcomes|Moved]]''' to '''[[Tŏgwŏn station]]'''. See no agreement below as to what we do with the target article, which has fairly substantial non-redirecting content. So that article will be renamed to '''[[Segil station]]''' for now per [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]]'s reminder in this discussion. Because [[Segil station]] is a page with content, it is not suitable as a "new" title for this article until it is either redirected or deleted, both of which would require a consensus to perform (see {{tl|Proposed deletion}} and [[Wikipedia:Deletion venues]]). When that has been achieved, this move request can be reopened and revisited. [[Wikt:kudos|Kudos]] to editors for your input, and [[Template:Clickable button/Publish buttons|Happy&nbsp;Publishing]]''!'' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|nac]]&nbsp;by&nbsp;[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|page&nbsp;mover]])</small><!-- This is User template [[User:Paine Ellsworth/RMpmc]]. --> '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&nbsp;&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>14:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)</small>
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[[:Togwon Station]] → {{no redirect|Segil Station}} – Segil Station is NOT on Songdowon Line, but on Kangwon Line. It is obvious that Togwon Station, between Wonsan and Munchon Station, has been renamed into Segil Station per below:
# From recent map of railway in North Korea, you can find ⊙원산(Wonsan) at the center of the map and you can see that 세길(Segil) is between 문천(Munchon) and 원산. [https://www.dailynk.com/%EC%B5%9C%EC%8B%A0-%EB%B6%81%ED%95%9C-%EC%B2%A0%EB%8F%84-%EC%95%88%EB%82%B4%EB%8F%84-%EC%9E%85%EC%88%98-%EB%8C%80%EB%B6%80%EB%B6%84-%EC%B2%A0%EB%8F%84-%EB%85%B8%EC%84%A0-%EC%A0%84%EC%B2%A0%ED%99%94/]
## From Kokubu, Hayato, ''将軍様の鉄道'' (''Shōgun-sama no Tetsudō'', published in 2007), it was 덕원(Togwon) [http://pds35.cafe.daum.net/original/20/cafe/2007/05/14/04/51/46476c3bd7c9b]
# From the 2015 video at 11:33, you can see the sign on the platform saying 옥평(Ongpyong)-문천(Munchon)-세길(Segil). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwLEBm8k6Ys]
# According to ''조선향토대백과'', an encyclopedia co-written by South and North Korea, 덕원동(Togwon-dong) was renamed into 세길동(Segil-dong) in 1977. [https://terms.naver.com/entry.nhn?docId=3314508&cid=57625&categoryId=57637] [[User:오모군|오모군]] ([[User talk:오모군|talk]]) 20:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

* {{ping|오모군}} Do you want to merge [[Togwon Station]] into [[Segil Station]]? What would we do with [[Segil Station]]? I wonder what the major contributor [[User:2Q]] thinks. [[User:Sawol|Sawol]] ([[User talk:Sawol|talk]]) 05:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
** According to Route map on [[Songdowon Line]], so-called Segil Station is on the branch of Songdowon Line. However it is just VIP-only station [http://www.nkleadershipwatch.org/2014/07/05/kim-jong-un-visits-songdowon-international-childrens-camp/] [https://www.38north.org/2020/04/wonsancompound042520/] without any name identified. Also I wonder whether Kokubu(2007) really wrote about Songdowŏn Line on his book on p. 90, as the book was published before Songdowŏn Line was opened officially. [[User:오모군|오모군]] ([[User talk:오모군|talk]]) 08:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

***I'm all for the move. [[User:2Q|2Q]] ([[User talk:2Q|talk]]) 05:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
*** {{ping|오모군|2Q}} What should the current [[Segil Station]] (just VIP-only station) be moved to? Or, should be deleted? [[User:Sawol|Sawol]] ([[User talk:Sawol|talk]]) 06:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
*** {{ping|오모군|Sawol}} "Segil-dong VIP station", perhaps, since we don't know the name, but we know it exists, its location, and its function, a descriptive pagename should do until we learn the actual name, if any. [[User:2Q|2Q]] ([[User talk:2Q|talk]]) 17:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
**** Well in kowiki, articles about VIP-only stations or industrial railways are deleted or merged into another articles. However I don't know how enwiki does about those articles. Despite that, I also wonder "Segil-dong VIP station" has a notability for an article as there are so many stations only for Kim dynasty that "Segil-dong VIP station" is just only one of them: [http://blog.daum.net/trent/8211726] --[[User:오모군|오모군]] ([[User talk:오모군|talk]]) 13:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

* '''However''', "station" needs to be lowercase, per all previous RM discussions. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 02:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
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