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== For a future "Legacy" section.. ==

*[http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/country/7430895/taylor-swift-music-career-ten-years-impact-country ''Billboard'': Love Story: The Impact of Taylor Swift's First Decade in Music]

"The audience grew younger, oline metrics became a meaningful way to influence radio, social media became a way to engage the audience, young women felt they had a voice, '''Country music now thinks globally'''.  Leaving the format no longer carries the stigma it once did." [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 17:37, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

:I've read the article and I do agree that this needs to be done. Additional infos may include the award named after her (which she and Michael Jackson only have)<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift Accepts First Taylor Swift Award and Top Songwriter Prize at BMI Pop Awards|url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7364632/taylor-swift-accepts-first-taylor-swift-award-and-top-songwriter-prize|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref>, her battle against Spotify, the open letter to Apple for their streaming service, Apple Music (which changed their policy after and received praises from artists)<ref>{{cite web|title=Apple Changes Course After Taylor Swift Open Letter: Will Pay Labels During Free Trial|url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6605568/apple-changes-course-after-taylor-swift-open-letter-will-pay-labels-during|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Apple's decision to pay artists during free trial a win for indie record labels, Taylor Swift|url=http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2015/06/23/apples-decision-to-pay-artists-a-win-for-indies-swift|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Swift's victory over Apple praised by D'Wayne Wiggins, other artists|url=http://www.ktvu.com/news/4730540-story|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref> and being named the most charitable celebrity 4 years in a row (the most from an artist). [[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 01:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

::If the name is debatable since she seems so young, I think 'Impact' would be a great section. The information is there. [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 02:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

:::Legacy is much preferable since the section may contain her impact, acclaims, huge achievements, records, and influence to other artists (Cassadee Pope<ref>{{cite web|title=Cassadee Pope Enjoying Broad Base Of Musical Influences|url=http://www.musicnewsnashville.com/cassadee-pope-enjoying-broad-base-of-musical-influences/|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref>, Kelsea Ballerini<ref>{{cite web|title=Kelsea Ballerini on Her New Album, Taylor Swift & Staying ‘Positive’: New Music to Know|url=http://radio.com/2015/05/14/kelsea-ballerini-the-first-time-interview-positive-songs-taylor-swift-new-music-to-know/|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=About Kelsea Ballerini|url=http://www.cmt.com/artists/kelsea-ballerini/biography/|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref>, Troye Sivan<ref>{{cite web|title=Troye Sivan Chats 'Extremely Personal' Debut & How His Amazing Fans Make Everything Worthwhile|url=http://www.mtv.co.uk/troye-sivan/news/troye-sivan-exclusive-interview|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref>, Camilla Cabello<ref>{{cite web|title=How Did Camila Cabello & Taylor Swift Meet? It Had To Do With A Very Musical Event|url=http://www.bustle.com/articles/161705-how-did-camila-cabello-taylor-swift-meet-it-had-to-do-with-a-very-musical|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref>, Selena Gomez<ref>{{cite web|title=Selena Gomez Draws Inspiration From Taylor Swift|url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/874001/selena-gomez-draws-inspiration-from-taylor-swift.jhtml#id=1704435|accessdate=8 July 2016}}</ref>, Ellie Goulding<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift is an inspiration to me: Ellie Goulding|url=http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/taylor-swift-is-an-inspiration-to-me-ellie-goulding/1208202/|accessdate=8 July 2016}}</ref>). [[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 02:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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::::From those, I would only include Ellie Goulding and Selena Gomez, who are actually calling her a direct influence. Two others are being fans, and Adele focused on Max Martin. [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 05:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC) Edit: Camila isn't a songwriter yet according to [[7/27]] so is not clear what she is influencing. Sivan is ok. [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 16:09, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

:::::Camila Cabello wrote a song in their (5th Harmony) debut EP and she co-wrote "I Know What You Did Last Summer" along with Shawn Mendes. And just so you know, I recently added Cassadee Pope and Kelsea Ballerini. Check their articles too. [[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 03:31, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

In addition to the topmost article, these may also help:
*[http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7377374/taylor-swift-apple-music-ads-sales-streaming-boost How Taylor Swift's Apple Music Ads Helped Drake, Future, the Darkness and Jimmy Eat World]
*[http://qz.com/290714/why-taylor-swift-is-the-most-important-artist-of-the-millennial-era/ Why Taylor Swift is the most important artist of the millennial era]
*[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33222489 Five ways Taylor Swift is changing the world]
*[http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/22/entertainment/taylor-swift-apple-feat/ The power of Taylor Swift]
[[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 12:24, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

:'''Draft so far:'''

Before Taylor Swift's debut, [[country radio]] was perceived as a format targeting adult audiences offering grown-up songs. In the 2010s, country started being viewed more favorably in the  media landscape than it was when Swift debuted in 2006, and while the singer didn’t create that change alone, she played a role in that shift as she introduced a new age group to this format because of her sound and writing.<ref name="BBimpact">{{cite web | url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/country/7430895/taylor-swift-music-career-ten-years-impact-country | title=Love Story: The Impact of Taylor Swift's First Decade in Music | work=Billboard | date=July 7, 2016 | accessdate=July 11, 2016 | author=Roland, Tom}}</ref> The number of females on the country chart increased since Swift inspired other younger female artists to follow her style and image. Cassetty Entertainment president Todd Cassetty stated in an interview with ''Billboard'', "I think a lot of young women are trying to find their own voice now, but a lot of them were definitely inspired to pick up a guitar because of Taylor Swift.”.<ref name="BBimpact"/> According to [[BBC News]] writer Neil Smith, with the releases of ''Red'' and ''1989'' Swift was "paving the way for crossover artists", as she was "forging a path for acts that don't wish to be typecast into arbitrarily separated musical genres."<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33222489 | title=Five ways Taylor Swift is changing the world | work=BBC News | date=June 22, 2015 | accessdate=July 11, 2016 | author=Smith, Neil}}</ref> Several artists have cited Swift as an influence mainly for her songwriting; among them [[Cassadee Pope]],<ref>{{cite web|title=Cassadee Pope Enjoying Broad Base Of Musical Influences|url=http://www.musicnewsnashville.com/cassadee-pope-enjoying-broad-base-of-musical-influences/|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref> [[Kelsea Ballerini]],<ref>{{cite web|title=About Kelsea Ballerini|url=http://www.cmt.com/artists/kelsea-ballerini/biography/|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref> [[Ellie Goulding]],<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift is an inspiration to me: Ellie Goulding|url=http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/taylor-swift-is-an-inspiration-to-me-ellie-goulding/1208202/|accessdate=8 July 2016}}</ref> [[Selena Gomez]],<ref>{{cite web|title=Selena Gomez Draws Inspiration From Taylor Swift|url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/874001/selena-gomez-draws-inspiration-from-taylor-swift.jhtml#id=1704435|accessdate=8 July 2016}}</ref> Camilla Cabello from [[Fifth Harmony]],<ref>{{cite web|title=How Did Camila Cabello & Taylor Swift Meet? It Had To Do With A Very Musical Event|url=http://www.bustle.com/articles/161705-how-did-camila-cabello-taylor-swift-meet-it-had-to-do-with-a-very-musical|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref> and [[Troye Sivan]].<ref>{{cite web|title=Troye Sivan Chats 'Extremely Personal' Debut & How His Amazing Fans Make Everything Worthwhile|url=http://www.mtv.co.uk/troye-sivan/news/troye-sivan-exclusive-interview|accessdate=9 July 2016}}</ref>

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[[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 00:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

:Would be great to have other opinions. Hey, {{u|SNUGGUMS}}, do you think the text justifies an "Impact"/"Legacy" section? [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 00:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

::Seems short compared to similar sections on other pages, and I'm not sure if "Bustle" is a good source to use, but it overall doesn't look too bad. I see no major issues with including that as long as it's all credibly referenced and doesn't become filled with fancruft. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">edits</b>]]) 02:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] & [[User:SNUGGUMS|SNUGGUMS]] I do agree that the entry should be longer. We have enough articles to supply it especially in Billboard's article. Additionally, if "Bustle" isnt a good source, [http://www.teenvogue.com/story/camila-cabello-interview-i-know-what-you-did-last-summer this] article from Teen Vogue should do it. This is the original article where they acquired the statement from an interview with Camila Cabello. [[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 02:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
:::"Legacy" will not be justified if you didnt put her "important or iconic" chart achievements, records, and awards which you can see in similar sections on other pages. Examples include: her very own award like I always say<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift Accepts First Taylor Swift Award and Top Songwriter Prize at BMI Pop Awards|url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7364632/taylor-swift-accepts-first-taylor-swift-award-and-top-songwriter-prize|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>, her permanent championship banner in Staples Center<ref>{{cite web|title=Watch Kobe Bryant Surprise Taylor Swift With Championship Banner at L.A.'s Staples Center|url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6671158/kobe-bryant-surprise-taylor-swift-banner-staples-center-ryan-tedder|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>, Red Tour records<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift Is First Female Artist In History To Sell Out Sydney's Allianz Stadium|url=http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/taylor-swift-is-first-female-artist-in-history-to-sell-out-sydneys-allianz-stadium-234626191.html|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift's Red Wraps as All-Time Country Tour|url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6150193/taylor-swift-red-all-time-country-tour|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>, etc. [[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 02:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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::::{{reply to|Mat 1997}} please, feel free to add the text to the draft with reliable sources. [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 03:23, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::''Teen Vogue'' is good enough and definitely better to use. Thank you for mentioning that link. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">edits</b>]]) 03:34, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

In addition to my previous reply, these are also some notable achievements of Taylor:
*Taylor Swift ranked 2nd in Rolling Stone's New Queen of Pop index. She and Carrie Underwood are the only country artists. <ref>{{cite web|title=Introducing the Queen of Pop|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/introducing-the-queen-of-pop-20110629|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
*In March 2013, Swift was added to the list of "immortals" by Rolling Stone magazine (artists who will stand the test of time) <ref>{{cite web|title=The New Immortals|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-new-immortals-20130305|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
*Taylor was listed twice in Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People (2010<ref>{{cite web|title=The 2010 Time 100|url=http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1984685,00.html|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref> & 2015<ref>{{cite web|title=The 100 Most Influential People|url=http://time.com/collection/2015-time-100/|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>)
*First artist to be named Billboard "Woman of the Year" twice <ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift Is Billboard's Woman Of The Year|url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/12/11/taylor-swift-is-billboards-woman-of-the-year/#48bcaa793610|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
*Youngest woman ever to be included on the Forbes list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift, 25, beams with delight after becoming the youngest person to make Forbes' list of the world's most powerful women|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3097910/Taylor-Swift-25-beams-delight-youngest-person-make-Forbes-list-world-s-powerful-women.html|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>

She was also given and inducted to numerous songwriting awards and lists:
*Taylor Swift Award (see previous reply for reference)
*7 Songwriter/Artist of the Year Award by NSAI (most of any artist)<ref>{{cite web|title=Taylor Swift Receives Seventh Songwriter/Artist of the Year Award|url=http://tasteofcountry.com/taylor-swift-seventh-songwriter-artist-award/|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
*prestigious Hal David Starlight Award<ref>{{cite web|title=Hal David Starlight Award|url=http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/ceremony/entry/C6029/207943|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
*Rolling Stone Top 100 Greatest Songwriters of All Time ranking at #97<ref>{{cite web|title=The 100 Greatest Songwriters of All Time|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
*The Telegraph 60 greatest female singer-songwriters of all time ranking at #16 <ref>{{cite web|title=The 60 greatest female singer-songwriters of all time|url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/the-60-greatest-female-singer-songwriters-of-all-time/cat-power/|accessdate=12 July 2016}}</ref>
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Praises from artists and celebrities:
*[http://tasteofcountry.com/steven-tyler-loves-taylor-swift/ Steven Tyler]
*[http://tasteofcountry.com/tim-mcgraw-taylor-swift-changed-country/ Tim McGraw]
*[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3341074/Oprah-heaps-praise-Taylor-Swift-states-singer-true-great-role-model.html Oprah Winfrey]
*[http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6451113/taylor-swift-on-madonna-praise-now-im-dead Madonna]
[[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 03:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

::I also found out that Tegan and Sara were among the artists that was influenced by Taylor Swift.<ref>{{cite web|title=Behind Tegan and Sara's Big Night With Taylor Swift|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/behind-tegan-and-saras-big-night-with-taylor-swift-20130823|accessdate=13 July 2016}}</ref> [[User:Mat 1997|Mat 1997]] ([[User talk:Mat 1997|talk]]) 03:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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== Semi protect request 18 July 2016 ==

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1477011/taylor-swifts-wikipedia-is-vandalised-as-trolls-rename-her-taylor-slithering-snake-becky-with-the-good-lies-allison-swift/

Until the attacking of Ms Swift simmers, can we semi protect this BLP, please?  --  [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]]
: Disregard, I see this has already been done. Not visible in mobile.  --  [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] ([[User talk:Zanimum|talk]]) 21:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

== Article length again ==

Re-adding [[Talk:Taylor_Swift/Archive_8#Concern|my concern]] regarding this bloated up article again. {{ping|FrB.TG}} as suggested in your talk page, a pruning is definitely needed, over 200K of readable prose is laughable at this point. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 13:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for the suggestion, IB. Yes, I am also planning to do something like that, though it's going to be a slow one. In addition, I will try to merge the acting, personal life and endorsement sections all with the career section. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 13:59, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
::Good point, her personal life especially has been a tabloid fodder for a long time and quite a violation of [[WP:BASICHUMANDIGNITY]] the way any flings are mentioned whether they are notable or not. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 14:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

== Removal of living location from infobox ==

{{Ping | SNUGGUMS}} I feel like her current living location is actually notable. She wrote a song about it ([[Welcome to New York (song)]], and her transition from Nashville to NYC marked her shift from country-pop to full on pop. Thoughts? &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
:Her move to NYC certainly can be mentioned within article prose (probably best for the ''1989'' section), but I removed it from infobox as it's not something she gets lots of attention for (at least compared to things like her genres themselves or even for how she moved to Nashville as a teen to start her career). On another note, the "[1]" that came after it in infobox wasn't a functioning reference as it was just in plain text. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">edits</b>]]) 22:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
:: That sounds like a good idea. I hadn't realized that the move wasn't mentioned in the body. Will find a good source and add it when I have the chance. &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup> 06:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

== Bloated, Self-Indulgent Mess ==

This Wikipedia entry needs some serious reduction as well as a more balanced view of the talent of the person being profiled. What is currently posted here is so congested with names of other artists and praises from "critics" and such that it comes across as exceedingly desperate in tone. Its actually quite laughable! Taylor Swift must be terribly insecure if she needs to put forth this much information to prove that she's relevant.  P.S. She listens to Doris Troy? Really?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.178.247.236|76.178.247.236]] ([[User talk:76.178.247.236|talk]]) 04:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: {{Reply | 76.178.247.236}} Thanks for your interest in the article. I believe that {{U | FrB.TG}} has already recognized the situation and is reworking the article to address your concerns. &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup> 06:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
::I agree. When reading through the article, it just seems to be a compilation of all the great things people say about her, without much useful information. [[User:General534|—General534]] ([[User talk:General534|talk]]) 10:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Not really. It was bombarded with praises but it's now much better and more neutral. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 10:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::True, the article has been drastically soap-cleaned. The prose is much better now. I don't know what the original poster and the two subsequent posters are reading. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 08:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== Personal life ==

What happened to the 'Personal life' section?!  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/41.254.7.160|41.254.7.160]] ([[User talk:41.254.7.160|talk]]) 05:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: It's possible it was integrated into the Biography section. &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup> 06:03, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
::Right! It was so magazine-y before the way any rumored relationship and flings were mentioned. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 11:06, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

== Name ==

Swift hasn't changed her name, so the use of the {{para|birth name}} parameter isn't appropriate. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 12:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
:Nikkimaria, she dropped the Alison from her name, and goes professionally by her first and last name only. So I believe that including the birth name is an useful information. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 12:35, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
::She uses her first and last name like about 95 percent of people, and hasn't dropped anything by not using her middle name. The parameter should go. '''<span style="border: 1px blue solid;background:Cyan">[[User:Calidum|<span style="color:#4863A0;">Calidum</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#A18648;">¤</span>]]</span>''' 12:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
: The documentation appears to suggest it's appropriate to use {{param|birth_name}} whenever the subject's birth name is different from her common name, as is the case here; {{code|1="Taylor Swift" != "Taylor Alison Swift"}}. I think it should be included it in the infobox, but I wouldn't consider it a great loss if it were removed. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 13:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
::The documentation could be interpreted in several ways, but there hasn't been consensus on that view at template talk. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 04:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
::: By "appropriate," I meant that it's acceptable, not that it's mandatory. Anyway, template documentation is really only a polite suggestion. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 08:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
::::And there hasn't been consensus on it being acceptable at template talk. The parameter is appropriately used for maiden names or other cases where someone has changed their name; that isn't applicable here. There's no compelling reason to include it, so per [[WP:INFOBOXUSE]] that means it should be excluded. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 12:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

::::: There isn't consensus at the template's talk page ''against'' using the parameter this way. By its plain terms, the parameter is used for the subject's "name at birth" and is used when the subject's name at birth is different from {{para|name}}. Here, {{para|name}} is Taylor Swift. Ms. Swift's birth name is Taylor Alison Swift. Notice the "Alison"? If you're arguing that Taylor Alison and Taylor are the same name, despite the obvious fact that they aren't, you should probably seek to have the template documentation amended. A quick survey of FA-status biographies shows that it's common to include {{para|birth_name}} when a person's common name has removed a given middle but is otherwise unchanged.

::::: In the meantime, INFOBOXUSE says that "which parts of the infobox to use[] is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." Here, you and another editor think the parameter should be removed; I and another think it should be included: contrary to your edit summary, there's no consensus either way. Since we are deadlocked, the default is the stable version, not your preferred version. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 13:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Right! Let's just maintain ''status quo'' and move on. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 13:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Her "name at birth" is her current name - no amending is needed. I will amend my earlier comment, though: I intended to link [[WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE]], which states that unnecessary content should be excluded. In this case, the use of an additional parameter is unnecessary. Consensus is based on argument, not "let's just keep doing what we've been doing just because". [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 01:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::: No, it's not: check the title of the article if you don't believe me. Do you see "Alison" in it? No? Then it's probably not the same name. Naturally, you find your own argument most persuasive. In this discussion, you have three editors who are presumably aware of the relevant guidelines and think it ought to be left and two who believe it should be removed. If anything, that's consensus to keep. Moreover, the guideline leaves to editorial discretion what constitutes "unnecessary content." You think "Taylor Alison" is irrelevant; I think "Alison" is somewhat more important than the description for the infobox photograph, her city of birth, and the labels to which she's signed. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 01:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::We could title this article "John Smith" and her current name would still be Taylor Alison Swift, as it says in the first line. If you prefer we can use {{para|name}}Taylor Alison Swift to match that, though it isn't necessary. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 02:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::: That would likely be a misuse of the parameter as Ms. Swift's ''[[:WP:COMMONNAME|common name]]'' is Taylor Swift: per the documentation, the common name is what goes in the {{para|name}} parameter. Her birth name is Taylor ''Alison'' Swift, which is not the same as either John Smith or Taylor Swift. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 02:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Anyway, template documentation is really only a polite suggestion". The best solution IMO would be simply to have {{para|name}}Taylor Swift and no {{para|birth name}}, but if you think Alison must be included in the infobox then that's one way to do it. Her ''current'' name is Taylor Alison Swift, which is why it says that in the first line. If you would like to argue that that's not her current name, then it shouldn't be there. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 01:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It doesn't matter what Ms. Swift's current name is. Her [[:WP:COMMONNAME|"common name"]]—a term of art meaning the name most commonly used by reliable sources—is plainly Taylor Swift, not Taylor Alison Swift. A subject's common name is what's used for titling the article, and, per the template documentation, it's what goes in the {{para|name}} field; the {{para|birth_name}} field is for a birth name that differs in some way from the common name. Per [[:MOS:FULLNAME]], the subject's full name, Taylor Alison Swift, not her common name, is given in the lead sentence. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 11:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

==Length==
So, 14,300 words. Very impressive. Yawn. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:04, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
:This isn't the first time you've appeared in my watchlist to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Beyonc%C3%A9&diff=prev&oldid=534391938 post] unhelpful [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lindsay_Lohan&diff=prev&oldid=533536041 comments] about the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Miley_Cyrus&diff=prev&oldid=574532168 word counts] of articles about [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Miley_Cyrus&diff=prev&oldid=575748239 female singers]. Do you have any suggestions how to improve the article? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 19:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

== Image ==

[[File:Taylor Swift GMA 2, 2012.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7]]
The current image is a little bit dark. How about this one? In this image, Swift is looking directly toward the camera with a smile on her face. She is also looking gorgeous in it, although it's a little bit old. What do you say? [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 10:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
:Her neck is a problem there. It's not a bad photo, but for an infobox pic... [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 05:09, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:I think we should aim for a more current picture. Something like the pre-revamp image. &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup> 06:52, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::I would also love a more current photo, but the problem is finding a good image. None of her pictures taken during her 1989 Tour are good enough. I agree that it is a little bit old, but she has not changed significantly (talking about look) and compared to the 1989 Tour images this one is a gem. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 08:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::: What about something like [http://taylorswift.com/media/photos/42793/2772403 this] or [http://taylorswift.com/media/photos/42793/2760383 this], cropped version of [http://taylorswift.com/media/photos/42793/2553743 this] maybe? [http://taylorswift.com/media/photos/42793/2533453 Tour] [http://taylorswift.com/media/photos/42793/2275283 ones]? There's gotta be some good ones out there... &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup> 09:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::All of them are non-free copyrighted images. If you can obtain permission to use those images, they can be. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 10:17, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::: Oh I see, I hadn't read [[WP:NFC#UUI]]. That's unfortunate. I'm kind of like the pre-revamp image over these older images, because none of these older ones offer that much of an improvement compared to it. &ndash; [[User:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">'''''FenixFeather'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/FenixFeather|<span style="color:SlateBlue;">(Contribs)</span>]]</sup>
:::::: The pre-vamp image was disgusting and looked like she was constipated. So definitely not supporting it. I had [[:File:Swift performs in St. Louis, Missouri in 2013.jpg|this image]] which was used in the infobox at one point. Don't know why it was removed since its pretty awesome. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 08:52, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::: I prefer [[:File:Taylor_Swift_GMA_2012.jpg|the current photograph]] to anything else I've seen so far: it's pleasingly composed, technically correct, and comes across as appropriately polished and professional (despite the arguably unflattering view of the subject's neck). [[:File:Swift performs in St. Louis, Missouri in 2013.jpg|That one]] looks like it was carelessly taken with a potato: it's blurry, low-resolution, oddly lit, emphasizes the lines around the subject's chin, and partially obstructed by a microphone. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 09:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::: Just an idea, but is there anyone here who is maybe active on a Taylor Swift fan forum that can encourage someone there to upload their good, recent, own-work photo to wikimedia commons to use for this page? I do like the current image, but if a more recent photo is preferred, that's one way to have it updated. [[User:Melodyschamble|Melodyschamble]] ([[User talk:Melodyschamble|talk]]) 16:40, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

== Lead advice ==

I clicked through to take a peek when I saw the request for mentoring.  The lead has an odd structure.  The first paragraph quite suddenly jumps into a chronology of Swift's career and breaks at an arbitrary point into the second paragraph.  I'd suggest rewriting the lead by—for example, the first paragraph establishing who she is and what she's best known for (this can be short—the paragraphs don't have to be the same length), and the other paragraphs focusing on a single topic—say, keeping the chronology of her life & career in a single paragraph. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 05:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there is anything odd about it. There are quite a lot of articles that follow this structure. I don't think a single paragraph would be enough to discuss her life and career as you can see it is discussed throughout two paras which I don't see the need for shortening or anything. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 07:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
:: Can you justify why it breaks where it does?  It's arbitrary and bizarre. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 12:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Because I don't think I can place so many lines in one paragraph and her second album marked the beginning of a new era where she also incorporated the pop genre, and she finally released her fifth album as a pop-focused one, marking a departure from her previous albums. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]])|
::::: So you prefer arbitrary and bizarre. Okay, I'll keep my advice to myself next time. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 20:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Curly Turkey}} We both have an opinion which contradict with each other, but I was, by no means, dismissing your opinion if that's how you feel. Anyway, I have dedicated the first paragraph to introduce her. Her career is still discussed in two paragraphs; have a look if you still feel it's bizarre, I could probably merge them. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 17:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

==Relationship with Mr. Hiddleston?==
Where da Tom Hiddleton shit bro? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/112.134.40.141|112.134.40.141]] ([[User talk:112.134.40.141|talk]]) 11:01, 10 September 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->

: It was removed in mid-July as being irrelevant,<ref>Revision [[special:diff/731477440|731477440]] by {{noping|FrB.TG}}, 16:32, 25 July 2016: "§ Relationships: we don't need to mention a brief fling just 'cause it is confirmed and the media is speculating that it is all an act anyway".</ref> which seems like the right call to me: we aim to report things that have lasting significance, not every event in a subject's life. ''See'' [[:WP:NOTDIARY]]. Otherwise, articles become too long to be useful. Compare how this looked [[special:permalink/727734891|at the end of June]] (<s>13,600</s> words and 536 footnotes) against [[special:permalink/738643939|the current, cleaned-up version]] (<s>9400</s> words; 319 notes): At least in my opinion, the trimmed-down version is clearly superior. Anyway, Ms. Swift and Mr. Hiddleston broke up earlier this week after three months together,<ref>{{cite web |last=Nelson |first=Jeff |title=Taylor Swift and Tom Hiddleston Break Up After 3 Months Together: 'It Was an Amicable Split' |work=[[People (magazine)|People]] |date=September 6, 2016 |url=http://www.people.com/article/taylor-swift-tom-hiddleston-split |access-date=September 10, 2016 |archive-url=https://archive.is/Se5hP |archive-date=September 10, 2016 |dead-url=no}}</ref> so it's definitely not worth mentioning. Cheers! <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 11:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Rebbing}} the article is currently at 6.4k words, not 9.4k. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 13:15, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::: Oh! my mistake. Is there a tool for calculating word count? I mean for Wikipedia articles specifically; my text editor does it, but it also counts links and headings. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 14:13, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::::{{u|Rebbing}}, you can use [[User:Ohconfucius/script|this script]] to count the prose. Click on "page size" on your left in preview mode once you have installed it. In case you don't know how to do that, refer to [[User:Ohconfucius/script/install]]. Cheers – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 17:17, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
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== Becky and Taylor ==

Please, read the news about Becky and Taylor carefully. Removing new sentences is easy, but gathering new and real sentences is so difficult. ([[User:Mj thenovelatre|Mj thenovelatre]] ([[User talk:Mj thenovelatre|talk]]) 17:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC)).

: The "Becky" thing is a silly meme that does not merit mention in this article. Also, the ''MTV'' piece you provided doesn't support the claim that Becky is Ms. Swift's nickname; rather, it clearly explains that the name was invented by Tumblr, and that Ms. Swift was merely playing along. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

== Additional comments ==

I see the PR's closed so I will place them here.  I've also made some edits directly.
:*"it marks a departure from her previous country albums" marks or marked?
:*Check all press like "''Newsweek'' stated" to ensure all are in the past tense assuming that is what was intended..  I changed two.
:::I usually write it in past tense unless the timeframe is unknown e.g. "The New York Times states.." or "In 2012, The New York Times stated..". A detailed explanation is given by Moisejp [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Emma_Stone/archive1#Big_comment|here]]. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 06:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
:*"She has also spoken fondly of contemporary singers and songwriters " I worry about possible misunderstanding with "[[contemporary classical music]].
:*Regardless of the current dispute over quote boxes, if you make one screen-wide or nearly, you're drawing undue attention to what's inside. Especially since we're getting Swift's point of view in opposition to others.
:*"Fairytale imagery featured on Swift's second album, Fearless. She explored the disconnect "between fairy tales and the reality of love"." At this point, the paragraph feels a little more random in subject matter than it should be.
:::I have rephrased, and think it's a little bit better, but still..
:*"From 2011–15, she appeared in the top three of Forbes' Top-Earning Women In Music with earnings of $45 million, $57 million, $55 million, $64 million, and $80 million respectively.[242][243][244][245][246]" I might separate these out individually so as to avoid the string of cites.
:*"The singer is involved in a number of charities which provide services to sick children. " This reads as a topic sentence, but much of the remainder of the paragraph isn't about sick children and it's quite some time in the paragraph until we get back to them.
*That's it. I would suggest that you take it to FAC.  I think it's ready.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 04:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you tremendously for your helpful comments. I will take it to FAC as soon as I get a response from {{u|IndianBio}} who helped me with its improvement. I don't want to take any step without consulting him. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 06:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Wehwalt}} I have now nominated it for FA. - [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 15:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Good luck with the FAC you implemented the improvements from the peer review. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 16:50, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the wish and your edits trying to fix little things. - [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

== Spam link ==

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:Someone had vandalized one of the templates, not the article itself. It has since been fixed. If it's still giving you trouble, try [[Wikipedia:Purge|purging]] the article. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 19:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Public Image (Abercrombie & Fitch - "Slut Shaming") ==
The statement provided is very vague and misleading. The citation source is also lacking almost all of the information in regards to this claim. Please try to refer to another source to support this idea, if not, perhaps there can be an attempt made to edit this portion of the article and remove this particular claim being made. --[[User:Kathy.s28|Kathy.s28]] ([[User talk:Kathy.s28|talk]]) 21:13, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2016 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}}

Can someone add the author and publication date for ref 215, please? Thanks, [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:1BF:AB8C:864:30C:AC75:23C9|2A02:8108:1BF:AB8C:864:30C:AC75:23C9]] ([[User talk:2A02:8108:1BF:AB8C:864:30C:AC75:23C9|talk]]) 10:20, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

: [[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> ([[special:diff/748168279|diff]]). <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 19:20, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

== Personal life section missing ==

Why doesn't she have a Personal Life section? Almost every famous person on Wikipedia has one.
[[Special:Contributions/174.117.121.225|174.117.121.225]] ([[User talk:174.117.121.225|talk]]) 01:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

: Ms. Swift's personal life is covered chronologically within the other biographical sections. This is preferred as it helps maintain the article's focus and avoid the tendency towards tabloid gossip. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 00:16, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2016 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}}
 [[Special:Contributions/50.154.250.174|50.154.250.174]] ([[User talk:50.154.250.174|talk]]) 02:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
I want to edit this page because I saw some information that are wrong, and I will like to fix it.
thanks.
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== Act not Person ==

This might be semantics but the second-to-last sentence of the third paragraph says...
<br/><br/>
The album received three Grammy Awards, and Swift became the first woman and fifth '''person''' overall to win Album of the Year twice.
<br/><br/>Two problems with the word '''person''': First, a number of people have won Album of the Year more than once as a producer, etc. Second, the five ACTS that have won more than once are Frank Sinatra, Stevie Wonder, Paul Simon, Taylor Swift, and U2. The last of which is not a person, but a group. Therefore, I think the word "person" in that sentence should be changed to "act." I thought about just changing it, but I know how... I guess I'll say ''concerned'' people can be about edits to this article.<small><span style="background:#FFFFFF;color:#000000;padding:1px;border:2px solid #000000">[[User:EricCable|&nbsp;Eric Cable&nbsp;]] ! [[user talk:EricCable|&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;]]</span></small> 14:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:This is why some artists are trying to make sure people recognize the differences between, as example, Taylor Swift the band and Taylor Swift the person. Rob Zombie the band, had nothing to do with directing the movie Halloween. How do you distinguish between the two just by using the name "Rob Zombie". 
:And "Artist" implies a singular. Which, a band like U2, works as one, therefore is singular. The singular artist U2 is comprised of multiple artists. Perhaps "Act" is the better word. 
:Ignoring producers and dealing with just the musicians - as long as your facts are right and you didn't miss a couple (making a difference between 5 people or 7 acts), I am fine with you changing it to "'''act'''". Maybe "musical act" is better? That way someone doesn't come back wanting to talk about the producers. [[User:Kellymoat|Kellymoat]] ([[User talk:Kellymoat|talk]]) 15:14, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::[[Grammy Award for Album of the Year]] has a long write-up.<small><span style="background:#FFFFFF;color:#000000;padding:1px;border:2px solid #000000">[[User:EricCable|&nbsp;Eric Cable&nbsp;]] ! [[user talk:EricCable|&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;]]</span></small> 20:22, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Philanthropy ==

On December 13, 2016 Taylor made a $100,000 donation to Dolly Parton's My People Fund Telethon.  Taylor's donation matched the donation made by the Academy of Country Music and was presented by the ACM during the live Telethon. The money was being raised for the victims of the Gatlinburg Fires which caused 14 deaths and the loss of 100's of homes and businesses. The families who lost their homes will receive $1000 a month for 6 months to help with expenses.  [[User:Tntinker|Tntinker]] ([[User talk:Tntinker|talk]]) 17:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

:Please provide a source. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 17:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
::{{done|Added}} [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 20:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2017 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}}
In the 2014-preset: 1989 section - first paragraph - sentence 4. 

The current sentence says "Credited as her "first documented, official pop album", it marks a departure from her previous country albums."

Change to " Credited as her "first documented, official pop album", it marks a departure from her previous country albums, and a clean break with her country audience."

Reference for added part "a clean break with her country audience" :Aswad, Jem. "Taylor Swift, 1989." Billboard - The International Newsweekly of Music, Video and Home Entertainment, vol. 126, no. 36, Nov 01 2014, pp. 69-70. Music Periodicals Database</ref> [[User:Kelnlen|Kelnlen]] ([[User talk:Kelnlen|talk]]) 17:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2017 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}}
 [[User:Halla65|Halla65]] ([[User talk:Halla65|talk]]) 15:42, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


Taylor Swift's sister is named Mrs. Roberts.
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== Drinking of alcohol ==

[[User:Emir of Wikipedia]], I've deleted the reference to abstaining from alcohol. At the time of that interview, Swift was underage and even mentioned herself in the cited source that it would not yet be legal to drink. Since turning 21, she has mentioned drinking alcohol in multiple interviews including [thesehttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/22-things-you-learn-hanging-out-with-taylor-swift-20140910 these] [http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-drinking-wine-makes-me-feel-classy-20121010 two]. I don't believe it is necessary to state that her position has changed; it would've be notable if she publicly drank while underage, but it's not particularly notable that she abstained until it was legal.[[User:Popeye191|Popeye191]] ([[User talk:Popeye191|talk]]) 16:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

== Jewish ==

Why is there no mention of the fact she is Jewish? https://medium.com/@resnikoff/nobody-talks-about-the-fact-that-taylor-swift-is-jewish-heres-why-it-matters-64aececd20b ([[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:638A:5000:D36:520D:526C:745E|2A00:23C4:638A:5000:D36:520D:526C:745E]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:638A:5000:D36:520D:526C:745E|talk]]) 16:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC))
:'''Because she is not.'''  [http://thoughtsonthedead.com/taylor-swift-is-not-jewish/ This] is no more suitable than the link you posted to serve as a citation, nor is [http://forward.com/sisterhood/352314/taylor-swift-probably-isnt-jewish-but-very-well-could-be/ this], but they make clear that the ''Medium'' piece was satire.  We'll need a better source than that if you think one exists. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">[[User:General Ization|<span style="color:#006633;">General <i>Ization</i></span>]]</span> <sup>''[[User talk:General Ization|<span style="color:#000666;">Talk  </span>]] ''</sup> 17:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2017 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}}
shes also a record producer so it should be added to occupation [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:21F2:FE00:7065:EDEF:BC2A:C305|2A02:C7D:21F2:FE00:7065:EDEF:BC2A:C305]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7D:21F2:FE00:7065:EDEF:BC2A:C305|talk]]) 00:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 13:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

{{Clear}}
== Personal life ==

I believe there should be a section called Personal Life as Taylor's life, specially her relationships, has been of great talk in the media and has been of great inspiration for her songs. [[User:Johnnyboytoy|Johnnyboytoy]] ([[User talk:Johnnyboytoy|talk]]) 02:24, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

:I am going to vote 'no' on that. She's not married, she doesn't have kids. And, as you said, most of her songs are based on her life, which means it has already been discussed elsewhere.[[User:Kellymoat|Kellymoat]] ([[User talk:Kellymoat|talk]]) 02:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

: I also am opposed for the reasons previously discussed. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 13:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

::As a reader, I would like to see a section on her personal life. Most other pop stars have such sections in their entries. You don't have to marry and have kids to qualify for having a personal life. I don't listen to her music, so "most of her songs  are based on her life" doesn't wash with me either.

::And it's the only reason she's "famous".  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ontheweighdown|Ontheweighdown]] ([[User talk:Ontheweighdown#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ontheweighdown|contribs]]) 12:40, 22 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

{{Clear}}
== Sexual assault civil case ==

How come nothing has been added regarding the sex assault case going on between Swift and David Mueller? It's a major news story and has not been discussed here.--[[Special:Contributions/67.86.57.216|67.86.57.216]] ([[User talk:67.86.57.216|talk]]) 18:54, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
:[[WP:NOTNEWS|We're not a 24 hour news channel]].  When there's an actual result something might be added. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 19:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC) 

Here's a development, the judge in the case dismissed Mueller's claim, but her [[countersuit]] is still ongoing. Will you NOW add it to her page?--[[Special:Contributions/67.86.57.216|67.86.57.216]] ([[User talk:67.86.57.216|talk]]) 00:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)--[[Special:Contributions/67.86.57.216|67.86.57.216]] ([[User talk:67.86.57.216|talk]]) 00:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)--[[Special:Contributions/67.86.57.216|67.86.57.216]] ([[User talk:67.86.57.216|talk]]) 00:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{done}} --[[User:Sofffie7|Sofffie7]] ([[User talk:Sofffie7|talk]]) 12:23, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

{{Clear}}
== Social Media Silence ==

If it is indeed a new album, who are the men who she's singing about? [[User:Doeadeere|Doeadeere]] ([[User talk:Doeadeere|talk]]) 03:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
:Only time will tell. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 06:08, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

{{Clear}}
== Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2017 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}}
First sentence:

"One of the leading contemporary recording artists, she is known for narrative songs about her personal life, which has received widespread media coverage."

should be:

"One of the leading contemporary recording artists, she is known for narrative songs about her personal life, which have received widespread media coverage." [[User:Qingles|Qingles]] ([[User talk:Qingles|talk]]) 22:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:SparklingPessimist|<span style="color: aquamarine">Sparkling</span><span style="color: turquoise">Pessimist</span>]] [[User talk:SparklingPessimist|<small><sup><span style="color: purple">''Scream at me!''</span></sup></small>]] 22:36, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

== China ==

Is there truth in that the Chinese government banned T.S. from appearing in China because her initials and year of birth match that of the Tienanmen Square protests? 
confirm: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3170971/Is-reference-Tiananmen-Square-Taylor-Popstar-launches-TS-1989-clothing-range-China-risks-upsetting-Chinese-government-barring-talk-massacre.html
youtube china uncensored video

deny: http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/22/taylor-swift-china-banned-1989-merchandise-censorship/
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/936438.shtml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11755679/Taylor-Swift-Chinese-clothing-line-with-TS-and-1989-touches-Tiananmen-Square-nerve.html
[[Special:Contributions/77.125.5.185|77.125.5.185]] ([[User talk:77.125.5.185|talk]]) 23:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sexism? ==

"One of the most popular contemporary female recording artists..."

Wouldn't this still be true without "female"? Why qualify her success with her gender?

I propose removing the word "female" from this sentence.

[[User:Tantrie|Tantrie]] ([[User talk:Tantrie|talk]]) 15:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
:I wouldn't call it sexist but yeah it can also do without 'female'. Removed. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 15:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

== Possible better infobox image ==

As discussed above the current infobox image isn't to everyone's liking. I propose the following image. What do you think ? Perhaps you have an opinion, {{ping|FrB.TG}}
<gallery>
Taylor Swift GMA 2012.jpg|Current image
Taylor Swift (6820735620) - cropped.jpg|Proposed image
</gallery>
[[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 14:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:I think the current image is one of the best we could possibly have so I don't see the need for a change. – [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 09:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

: I also prefer the current image. True, the proposed image provides a more flattering view of Ms. Swift's neck and has less shadowing on her face, but her band mate's hair in the background is distracting and makes the image look sloppy and unplanned. <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 17:31, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

::{{reply to|Rebbing}} If your problem is with the hair we could either take it to the photography workshop and get it edited out, or look on Commons for other pictures from the same event. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 17:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

::: Good idea! The proposed image is from [[c:Category:Speak Now World Tour|Category:Speak Now World Tour]]. I found three images I think are worth considering:

<gallery style="margin-left: 90px">
File:Taylor Swift (6966852111).jpg|R1
File:Taylor Swift 3, 2012.jpg|R2
File:Taylor Swift Speak Now Tour 2011 4.jpg|R3
</gallery>

::: (I can losslessly crop these if needed.) Thoughts? <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing</span>]]</span> 18:12, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

:::: I really like image R3. I may have a few suitable ones from the Speak Now tour myself. I will try to upload later. [[User:Melodies1917|Melodyschamble]] ([[User talk:Melodies1917|talk]]) 16:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{reply to|Melodies1917}} Did you have any suitable ones, or should we pass our votes now? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Emir of Wikipedia|contribs]]) 15:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->
:::::{{ping|IndianBio}} A discussion was started here, but no consensus was reached hence why I tagged it as bold. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 12:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for pointing this because somehow I completely missed this discussion. I would say R3 is definitely the strongest. —[[User:IndianBio|<span style="font-size:small;font-family:Courier New;color:#6F00FF;"><b>I</b><span style="color:#FF033E;">'''B'''</span></span>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IndianBio|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b>]] ]</sup> 13:01, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Pretty sure R3 was used in her infobox sometime ago. <span style="text-shadow:Black 3px 3px 3px; color:White;">[[User:penpaperpencil|'''Penpaperpencil''']] <small>[[User talk:penpaperpencil|('''Talk''')]]</small></span> 14:43, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Even if R3 used previously I don't think that is a reason to discount it. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 20:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::I think R1, R2, and R3 are all superior to the current image and the previously proposed image. [[User:Plain Text|Plain Text]] ([[User talk:Plain Text|talk]]) 04:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|John Shiner 13|Kellymoat}} The discussion is here. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 21:03, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::: Hi, new user here. I believe that the original picture should be kept because it is from her Red era, which is after her Speak Now era. It's a newer picture, so until a different, newer picture is found, that is the one to use. [[User:Allikattm|Allikattm]] ([[User talk:Allikattm|talk]]) 04:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|SawOnGam}} Please discuss here about any alternative image. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 18:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I strongly recommend R3 It's far better than the present Image coz the present image is of 2012 and its too old
[[User:SawOnGam|Sawongam]] ([[User talk:SawOnGam|talk]]) 06:48, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:: I agree. The page should feature a more recent picture of Ms. Swift. [[User:Nthomps1|Nthomps1]] ([[User talk:Nthomps1|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


I can't not understand why {{u|FrB.TG}} choose these pic for this article. Common Wikipedia has many better pic.
<gallery>
Taylor Swift GMA 2012.jpg|Current image in Infobox. It looks like she was sitting behind the grid. Can you see the green diagonal?
Taylor Swift Cavendish.JPG|current image in Song writing - This pic is '''too dark''' and Swift was '''frowning'''
</gallery>

I suggest to use these two image. They are more beautiful.
<gallery>
Taylor Swift Red Tour 5, 2013.jpg|Using for Infobox, it is '''more recent than GMA 2012'''
Taylor Swift Speak Now Tour 2011 4.jpg|Using for Song Writing
</gallery>
—[[User:Phamthuathienvan|Phamthuathienvan]] ([[User talk:Phamthuathienvan|talk]]) 14:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|JJMC89}} I have left the message here for about three day but no response. Can you discuss with me about it? [[User:Phamthuathienvan|Phamthuathienvan]] ([[User talk:Phamthuathienvan|talk]]) 11:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

All users above was discussing about the possibility of changing pic. No one said that the Taylor Swift GMA 2012.jpg '''must be''' used for the infobox or in this article, similar to the Taylor Swift Cavendish.JPG. I've already present the reason why the article should use those two ''better'' pic.[[User:Phamthuathienvan|Phamthuathienvan]] ([[User talk:Phamthuathienvan|talk]]) 13:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

:I wonder why {{u|FrB.TG}} keep using the GMA 2012 pic for Taylor Swift info box. The Red Tour one is definitely better. It actually shows Swift's face directly and clearly, and more recent than GMA 2012. The GMA 2012 is not a quality pic, it was shot by a photographer who stood outside the studio-where Swift did the interview and behind Swift's back. That why, there were some green diagonals across the photo as well as Swift's face–that can be seen easily.
:<gallery>
Taylor Swift GMA (8114093506).jpg|This is the GMA 2012's original version
</gallery>
:And what do you mean when you said "it looks a little weird with the plain black background"?—[[User:Phamthuathienvan|Phamthuathienvan]] ([[User talk:Phamthuathienvan|talk]]) 13:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)



I would like to suggets that we update the picture in the info box to this: 
<gallery>
Taylor Swift 045 (17682880264).jpg
</gallery>

The current one is poorly lit, old, and doesn't accentuate that she is a performed in the was the suggested picture does. [[User:Angusaditus|Angusaditus]] ([[User talk:Angusaditus|talk]]) 12:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

:I agree that a newer picture (from [[The 1989 World Tour]] or even newer) should be used. In my opinion [[User:Angusaditus|Angusaditus]]'s suggested picture would look good, but i suggest using an image with less [[chromatic aberration]]. [[User:MartinWinkelmann|MartinWinkelmann]] ([[User talk:MartinWinkelmann|talk]]) 12:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC) ''This account appears to be new and the comments here are the only substaniative edit they have made.''
:: I also think a newer image should be found and think [[User:Angusaditus|Angusaditus]]'s suggestion looks fine.[[User:Popeye191|Popeye191]] ([[User talk:Popeye191|talk]]) 20:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::: I concur it should be updated, and [[User:Angusaditus|Angusaditus]]'s suggestion is good. [[User:Andrewc248|Andrewc248]] ([[User talk:Andrewc248|talk]]) 23:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC) ''This accounts has only made around 36 edits at the time of this note''
:::: After trying to find a better image licensed under a [[Wikipedia:File_copyright_tags/Free_licenses|free license]] I agree that [[User:Angusaditus|Angusaditus]]'s suggestion is most likely the best one. [[User:MartinWinkelmann|MartinWinkelmann]] ([[User talk:MartinWinkelmann|talk]]) 04:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC) ''This account appears to be new and the comments here are the only substaniative edit they have made.''
: I agree with [[User:Angusaditus|Angusaditus]] that this updated picture works better than the current one! ([[User talk:Piccprincess|talk]])  <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> '' This comment is the only edit the newly created {{u|Piccprincess}} has made'' 

I still prefer the previous one. It shows Swift's face clearly and is brighter than the new one. In my opinion, there is no better picture to use for this article's infobox at the moment, except these two pic: Taylor Swift Red Tour 5, 2013.jpg & Taylor Swift Speak Now Tour 2011 4.jpg. Hopefully, in the future, Common Wiki will have really good images for Swift.—[[User:Phamthuathienvan|Phamthuathienvan]] ([[User talk:Phamthuathienvan|talk]]) 13:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

: I don't know if anyone remembers, but there was a good image of Taylor Swift uploaded by a user, but he requested it to be deleted as the image was never used anywhere else. It appeared for a day or two in the infobox before it was removed. [[Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_February_26#File:TaylorSwiftCharlotteNC_8JUN2015.jpg |Here]] is the discussion. [[User:6033CloudyRainbowTrail|King Cobra]] ([[User talk:6033CloudyRainbowTrail|talk]]) 21:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


I think Taylor's infobox image needs to be updated to something more recent like her 1989 tour. How about changing it to this?
<gallery>
Taylor Swift 104 (18280268726).jpg
</gallery>
[[User:Jeff.Abney99|Jeff.Abney99]] ([[User talk:Jeff.Abney99|talk]]) 06:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

{{u|Jeff.Abney99}} The image that you choose has already placed in the section [[Taylor Swift#2014-present: ''1989''|2014-present: ''1989'']]. Moreover, it does not show Swift's face directly. 

The current image is better and also the most suitable image for the article's infobox at the moment. I understand that it is old and many people want to update the image that more recent. However, there is no ''quality'' image from 1989 Tour on [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_1989_World_Tour Wikimedia Commons]. Some biography articles (such as [[Michael Jackson]]) are still using image from many years ago. Probably, we should wait until Swift go on next tour and/or maybe some kind people will take good pictures of her then upload to Commons.[[User:Phamthuathienvan|Phamthuathienvan]] ([[User talk:Phamthuathienvan|talk]]) 09:02, 8 August 2017 (UTC)