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{{resize|130%|'''Issues'''}}
* Include link to WikiProject?
* Include ''any'' external links (i.e. to the Commons)?
* Use an "above" line for the Outline{{\}}Index&nbsp;(/ Bibliography) links or list them with the Book{{\}}Category{{\}}etc links in the "below" line?
* Fix list backgrounds alternation.
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== Background zebra-stripes/watermark in white-space not showing up ==

Hi, just a stylistic quibble about the (great) new country template. 

It looks perfect on the blank template page. 

In operation though, I can't see the faint zebra-stripes/watermark (gray, white, gray, white) in the white-space background that helps people visually keep track of what sub-section they are looking across.

For example, on the Ecuador topics page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ecuador_topics

I can see one grey-shaded bar at the bottom (across the culture subsection), but all the rest of the background shows up white.

I hope this makes sense!

Thank you, [[User:0Juniper56|0Juniper56]] ([[User talk:0Juniper56|talk]]) 07:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks for your message, 0Juniper56. I think what you're reporting might be an unforeseen side-effect of the way the groups of links are numbered: ''not'' consecutively, to allow the occasional insertion of a custom group or two. But that means the alternation between odd and even-numbered groups mostly disappears &ndash; and hence, I'm guessing, the desired zebra-striping with it. So, I've just tried amending the template to avoid that (although not always eliminate it); any difference / improvement where you are? [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 15:42, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:: zebra-stripes are possible, but it would be somewhat painful.  basically, we would have to use the same numeric shift operation used in the first few rows, but for all the groups/lists.  if it is really really important, I can make it work, but I would rather not :) [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 21:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
::: Agreed -- but I'm hoping the amendment (workaround, fudge) I made will suffice 90% or more of the time. Let's see if/when 0Juniper56 reports back. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 16:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

== Problem when flag's file name doesn't match country name ==

In [[Template:Macedonia topics]], to fix a link to a disambiguation page, I changed the titlename to Republic of Macedonia and added the prefix "the". Even though [[Template:Country data Republic of Macedonia]] exists as a redirect, the flag doesn't show up because the flag is at [[:File:Flag of Macedonia.svg]], not [[:File:Flag of the Republic of Macedonia.svg]]. I'm not sure what the best way to modify looking for the appropriate flagicon would be. Alternatively, a flaglink parameter could be added (and I'm clueless regarding the alt text) so the flag would link to [[Republic of Macedonia]] instead of [[Flag of Macedonia]] when the flagname parameter is used. [[User:TimBentley|TimBentley]] [[User talk:TimBentley|(talk)]] 21:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
:Well, redirects aren't working, so we should probably ask for the flag to be moved. There's no reason it shouldn't be in line with the country article. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
::I don't know why, but the flag is appearing now. I guess we just had to wait a few hours for the file redirect to work. [[User:TimBentley|TimBentley]] [[User talk:TimBentley|(talk)]] 13:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

== WikiProject ==

I have restored the parameters for a WikiProject. I believe that a wider discussion should take place before its removed - as it has been the norm in templates for years. I agree we have some policies that discourages this type of link, but it is the norm and these projects should not be hidden if the rest our projects are visible in this fashion. It was one of the proposed solution for making projects more visible - (will look for this discussion).17:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
: wow, you royally screwed up the template, nice work!  if you look at the diff, you did not just "restore the parameters for a WikiProject". I have reverted your vandalism. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::WOW very disappointing to see my good faith edit called vandalism - we have basic conduct expectations here  - in the future pls try and give a proper evaluation of the situation. Now to the matter at hand - the parameter is the norm so why is it removed.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 19:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::: yes, the template should be fully protected to prevent editors who don't understand it from screwing it up. I would expect an experience editor to not engage is such reckless conduct. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Perhaps you can explain the problem instead of more insults - do you have an opinion of the matter at hand?[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 19:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::::: perhaps since you are so experienced, you can explain how [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACountry_topics&diff=531476434&oldid=531177312 your edit] only added a WikiProject link? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::All was working fine from what I can see - no errors same format that was there for a long time - pls explain the problem. Do you have an opinion of the matter at hand at all? Pls stop with the personal comments [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 19:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::all was not working fine, until '''I fixed it''', explaining it to you would be pointless since it appears you cannot read the diff from your edit.  however, if you really want to know why your edit screwed up the template, I will try to explain it to you in simple terms. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:49, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
{{od}} since you seem to be so interested in understanding why your edits are so damaging, let's look at all your changes
# you changed <nowiki>{{{country|{{{territory|{{{region|{{{titlename}}}}}}}}}}}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{{titlename|{{{country|{{{territory|{{{region}}}}}}}}}}}}</nowiki> in many places.  why did you feel the need to make this change?  the parameter order in this construct is very important.  we only want to use the value for "titlename" first for the edit links, not in other places in the template where we want to use the value for either country, territory, or region first.
# you changed <nowiki>|list{{#if:{{{geography|}}}{{{list2|}}}{{{history|}}}{{{list1|}}}|5|1}} = {{{list3|}}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>|list5 = {{{list3|}}}</nowiki>.  why did you feel as though this list renumbering code was unnecessary?  you see we must have list1 if we want the image to appear at the right.  do you think we don't need this feature?  if you want to remove the images, then there are easier ways to do that.
# you changed <nowiki>|list{{#if:{{{list3|}}}{{{geography|}}}{{{list2|}}}{{{history|}}}{{{list1|}}}|6|1}} =</nowiki> to <nowiki>|list6 =</nowiki>.  again, I don't understand why you thought this list renumbering code was unnecessary.
: if, as you say, your only problem was with [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACountry_topics&diff=528227040&oldid=528158755 this edit], then you should have undone this edit, and asked the editor who made that edit to discuss it.  assuming that all the other edits after that edit were pointless is an incredible lack of [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]]. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:01, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
:Great explanation - I understand your points - your right I coould have just reverted that one edit - I see now -  that was not hard was it.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 17:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

== Outline and Index ==

Could the outline and index be moved to the below line (with the portal, etc) to save a line?  Putting them on a line by themselves at the top seems undue prominence.  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 18:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

* That could be an improvement, although I'd be inclined to give them a line of their own in the "below" area, like this:

{{Navbox
|name = {{PAGENAME}}
|state = expanded
|bodyclass = hlist
|title = {{flagcountry|South Africa}} topics
|group1=History |list1=(links)
|group2=Geography |list2=(links)
|group3=Governance |list3=(links)
|group4=Economy |list4=(links)
|group5=Society |list5=(links)

|belowstyle = font-weight:bold;
|below =
* [[Outline of South Africa|Outline]]
* [[Index of South Africa-related articles|Index]]
<hr/>
* {{icon|Book}} [[Book:South Africa|Book]]
* {{icon|Category}} [[:Category:South Africa|Category]]
* {{icon|Portal}} [[Portal:South Africa|Portal]]
* {{icon|WikiProject}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa|WikiProject]]
}}


...or maybe their own separate "pre-below" line, like this:

{{Navbox
|name = {{PAGENAME}}
|state = expanded
|bodyclass = hlist
|title = {{flagcountry|South Africa}} topics
|group1=History |list1=(links)
|group2=Geography |list2=(links)
|group3=Governance |list3=(links)
|group4=Economy |list4=(links)
|group5=Society |list5=(links)

|list15style = padding:0.25em;background:#ddf;font-weight:bold;
|list15 =
* [[Outline of South Africa|Outline]]
* [[Index of South Africa-related articles|Index]]
|belowstyle = font-weight:bold;
|below =
* {{icon|Book}} [[Book:South Africa|Book]]
* {{icon|Category}} [[:Category:South Africa|Category]]
* {{icon|Portal}} [[Portal:South Africa|Portal]]
* {{icon|WikiProject}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa|WikiProject]]
}}


Thoughts? [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 08:27, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


Still seems like undue prominence to me.  For comparison, I was suggesting

{{Navbox
|name = {{PAGENAME}}
|state = expanded
|bodyclass = hlist
|title = {{flagcountry|South Africa}} topics
|group1=History |list1=(links)
|group2=Geography |list2=(links)
|group3=Governance |list3=(links)
|group4=Economy |list4=(links)
|group5=Society |list5=(links)

|belowstyle = font-weight:bold;
|below =
* {{icon|Book}} [[Book:South Africa|Book]]
* {{icon|Category}} [[:Category:South Africa|Category]]
* [[File:Latin ABC.svg|18px|link=]] [[Index of South Africa-related articles|Index]]
* [[File:Global thinking.svg|10px|link=]] [[Outline of South Africa|Outline]]
* {{icon|Portal}} [[Portal:South Africa|Portal]]
* {{icon|WikiProject}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa|WikiProject]]
}}
[[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 09:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


* Ah, I see... Yes, that could work &ndash; except do you think there now might be a tendency toward too many icons in the "below" line..?
: (For sake of comparison:)

{{Navbox
|name = {{PAGENAME}}
|state = expanded
|bodyclass = hlist
|title = {{flagcountry|South Africa}} topics
|group1=History |list1=(links)
|group2=Geography |list2=(links)
|group3=Governance |list3=(links)
|group4=Economy |list4=(links)
|group5=Society |list5=(links)

|belowstyle = font-weight:bold;
|below =
* [[Book:South Africa|Book]]
* [[:Category:South Africa|Category]]
* [[Index of South Africa-related articles|Index]]
* [[Outline of South Africa|Outline]]
* [[Portal:South Africa|Portal]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa|WikiProject]]
}}


: [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 12:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

::Yes, I agree that the icons aren't necessary.  I'd also agree with Chipmunkdavis that WikiProject links don't belong in navigation targeted at readers[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACountry_topics&diff=528227040&oldid=528158755].  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 12:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

::* I've now moved the Outline/Index links down to the below line and disabled the icons, but haven't disabled the WikiProject link as I'm not sure there's consensus to do so. (There may not be consensus about the Outline/Index links' new position either, but let's see what happens.) But disable the link (to see what happens) if you wish. Thanks for your input. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 23:40, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

===Template form===

*Sorry coming to this conversation late I guess. :-( The below section in most templates are used for non-article destination links within Wikipedia like Cats, Books, Portals and projects pages that all have  there own named tabs (Its also  used to link to wiki sister pages to my dismay and against policy) - two examples below of the norm.  Indexes, Outlines and  Bibliographies ''(that is missing here)''  are main article pages used for direct article navigation. See our most seen country template  [[Template:United States topics]] or any another  should not be converted to this template without discussion at each template there are reasons projects opt out of using generic templates like  with [[Template:Canada topics]] that was a very long debate on those horrible colors that in my opinion are the opposite of our policy on the matter   etc.).[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 03:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC) 
{{Wikipedia policies and guidelines}}
{{World War I}}


:* I've gained the impression that "Do something; see what happens; if/when anything does, discuss and perhaps amend/revert" is the editing norm here, rather than discuss each prospective edit first &ndash; but is this misguided?
:: If it's a norm for links such as the Outline and Index (and potential Bibliography) links to appear "above", then perhaps that's where they should return. Anyone else?
:: Meanwhile, thanks for your input. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 10:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:: PS That World War I template looks a bit top- (i.e. "above"-)heavy here (especially in a smaller window) and the number of Timeline subgroups might make a "Navbox with collapsible sections" (rather than a plain Navbox) a more appropriate base template..?
:::In both the country examples cited above the Outline, Index and Bibliography are in a final "Overviews" section within the box itself.  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 11:52, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Some countries have a topic section in the overview tab like  [[List of Canada-related topics by provinces and territories]]. As for  collapsible sections we should try to avoid putting in more barriers to seeing links - as in  we should not make our readers have to click on "show" multiple times in the same template making it harder for those who aspire to derive serviceable information. Accessibility over style should always prevail. [[Template:People's Republic of China topics]] is simply horrible - why do we have to click on 6 different "show"s to see the information? As someone with MS your making me work for no reason to see the info/links  - Apply the [[KISS principle]] to all that you do [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 17:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::: "Some countries have a topic section in the overview tab..." &ndash; I'm not sure what you mean here (with apologies if I'm missing the obvious). As regards templates with collapsed sections, my understanding is that it's possible to have the relevant section already visible in articles that include these templates. To have them all made visible at the same time (which I think is also possible, or, at least, should be) would, I imagine, look like a case of information overload. But perhaps that's the rub: any template that includes that many links is probably including too many links...? [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 22:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Have reverted the change to [[Template:United States topics]] as per all above. Pls stop  these templates conversions to collapsible lists - did you not read anything above?. Pls do not put more obstacles/steps for our readers to derive serviceable information.
:We should be trying to make the template more uniformed with others - not make it the odd ball. Lets look at some examples from a wide range of topics that I have had nothing to do with (never edited these templates)
*Bio example
{{Richard Dawkins}} 
*Tv example
{{Star Trek}}
*Academic institution example 
{{University of London}}
*Automoltive example 
{{Renault}} 
*Cosmology 
{{Neptune}}
*Scientific data
{{Periodic tables footer}}
*Cuisine
{{African cuisine}}  
*The earth
{{Earth}}
*Media
{{BBC}}
*Economics
{{Fair trade}}
*Literature
{{Charles Dickens}} 
*Ethnic
{{Jews and Judaism}}
*Military 
{{US Army navbox}}
:....[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 05:49, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


* "We should be trying to make the template more uniformed with others..."
: That's an interesting selection of templates &ndash; thanks for assembling. But, before commenting on any of them, I don't understand how this template (Country topics) is non-uniform..? (Sorry if I'm missing something obvious.) [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 06:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Showing 2 things above - Firstly that the below section normally does not have links to non-[[Main namespace]] pages - as in  the below links link to pages that have names spaces (a particular prefix recognized by the MediaWiki) like [[Wikipedia:Portal namespace|Portal namespace]], [[Wikipedia:Categorization|Category namespace]], [[Wikipedia:Books|Book namespace]] and [[Wikipedia:Project namespace|Project namespace]] (see [[ Wikipedia:Namespace]]) - thus the index. bib and outlines should be incorporated into the main body of the template like all other [[Main namespace]] pages.  Secondly I am showing how we dont hide portions of the templates thus preventing  our readers from having to click open multiple  section to see all that the templates  have to offer. Also despite the examples above  we should not link to non-English wiki pages like commons to quote [[Wikipedia:Navigation templates]] "Navigation templates do not provide WP:External links to other websites" Wikicommoms is an external link.  [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 07:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::: I don't think I mind whether or not the links along the bottom can include one to the Commons site (or to WikiProjects, something [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACountry_topics&diff=528227040&oldid=528158755 another user indicated as non-standard], but which is now back in the template). What I suppose would matter is if people were drawn into adding more and more links (external or internal) to that bottom line (in which case, its flexibility could be curtailed). As regards collapsible things, this template doesn't incorporate anything beyond the (seemingly standard) [show]/[hide] link in its titlebar. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 08:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Agree - commons and  project should not   be there but they are the norm non the less. Could we move the Bib, Index, Outline and topics to its own section in the template titled Overviews -  like at  [[Template:Canada topics]]?[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 08:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::: The template did have the Outline and Index links placed in the "above" line &ndash; see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Country_topics/doc&oldid=528819795 here] &ndash; how about that (plus a Bibliography link, when detected)..? [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 11:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Ok no one has objected to this idea - so lets try it - implemented .[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 23:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I've already objected to putting it at the top, making it unduly prominent.  Indexing should go below the real information on the topic.  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 23:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Dame did not see that one objection - fine fine - All I care is  we get them off the bottom. Can othes have input here? Just want this template not to be the odd ball anymore - no articles name space in the below section for the love of god. And its still missing all the coding for bibliophiles.  [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 23:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::What about a separate section at the bottom as you suggested above based on [[Template:Canada topics]]?  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 23:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::YES YES - could you add coding for BIBs to -  If this problem of the below section and bibs is fixed  - all but the Canada one could be converted (dame the Canadians and there odd colors). The only 2 objects was from 3 projects that had there bibs disappear  and.or  the fact the below section had name space articles.  Feb 10th - another project has drooped this template today - need to fix this (people are upset there consensus format was changed)  [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 00:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Pls fix this - it has just been implemented on templates for projects that do not what this odd format....PLS FIX no need to edit wars.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 20:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

* Okay, I'll see what I make of the above and try to implement accordingly...
: ...So, if I've understood correctly, the (auto-created) Outline and Index links should be taken out of the "below" area and placed elsewhere, along with a new (auto-created) Bibliography link. If not "above", I'd make them group1, i.e. not the last group as in the current [[Template:Canada topics]]. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 21:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
: ...Some reorganization needed to make group1 available (but can be done), so how about using the "above" line for these Outline{{·}}Index{{·}}Bibliography links but with styling so it doesn't look like an "above" line..? [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 21:21, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

===Update===
* Was easier in the first instance to add a line with the Outline{{·}}Index{{·}}Bibliography links just before the "below" line. I think I'd certainly prefer the "above" line or just after it, though. However, not so easy to implement quickly, as some instances of this template use the "above" line in a non-standard way (e.g. [[Template:French Polynesia topics]]). I'm intending, though, to amend such use so the Outline{{·}}Index{{·}}Bibliography links may be moved up there. (Seems more apt when two of the links &ndash; the Overview and Index &ndash; are general{{\}}introductory.) [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 21:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:They're more indexing than introductory, the sort of thing that's usually placed at the end to consult if you didn't find what you were looking for.  They're certainly less important than the actual content.  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 22:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

* ...Outline{{·}}Index{{·}}Bibliography now in the "above" position and I'm aware that a handful of instances may now feature some mis-formatting, etc. Will start taking a look. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 22:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

::Ok was talking with a few people from WP:United States lets try the format on [[Template:United States topics]] - think its ok for them now as with [[Template:Russia topics]]. Any way we can use this on [[Template:Canada topics]] but at the same time leave the colors they chosen to use?[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 19:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
::* Here's a version using [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:United_States_topics&oldid=538935669 the current version of the United States topics template]&nbsp;''':'''
====United States topics====

{{Country topics
<!---Per [[WP:MOSICON]] flags are not required or helpful in the title (_notitleflag below)--->
| country = United States
| state = {{{state|<includeonly>{{{1|collapsed}}}</includeonly>}}}
| prefix = the


<!----------------------- History ------------------------->

| history =
 {{Navbox |child |groupstyle=padding-left:0.5em;padding-right:0.5em;font-weight:normal;

  | group1 = [[Timeline of United States history|Timeline]]
  | list1 =
* [[Pre-Columbian era]]
* [[Colonial history of the United States|Colonial era]]
** [[Thirteen Colonies]]
** [[Colonial American military history]]
* [[American Revolution]]
** [[American Revolutionary War|War]]
* [[American frontier]]
* [[Federalist Era]]
* [[War of 1812]]
* [[United States territorial acquisitions|Territorial acquisitions]]
* [[Territorial evolution of the United States|Territorial evolution]]
* [[Mexican–American War]]
* [[American Civil War|Civil War]]
* [[Reconstruction Era]]
* [[American Indian Wars|Indian Wars]]
* [[Gilded Age]]
* [[Progressive Era]]
* [[African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954)]]
* [[Spanish–American War]]
* [[American imperialism|Imperialism]]
* [[History of the United States (1865–1918)#World War I|World War I]]
* [[Roaring Twenties]]
* [[Great Depression]]
* [[Military history of the United States during World War II|World War II]]
** [[United States home front during World War II|Home front]]
* [[Cold War]]
* [[Korean War]]
* [[Space Race]]
* [[African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–1968)]]
* [[Second-wave feminism|Feminist Movement]]
* [[Vietnam War]]
* [[History of the United States (1991–present)|Post-Cold War (1991–present)]]
* [[War on Terror]]
** [[War in Afghanistan (2001–present)|War in Afghanistan]]
** [[Iraq War]]
* [[Timeline of modern American conservatism]]

  | group2 = [[Index of United States–related articles|By topic]]
  | list2 =
* [[Demographic history of the United States|Demographic]]
* [[Timeline of United States discoveries|Discoveries]]
* [[Economic history of the United States|Economic]]
** [[History of United States debt-ceiling increases|Debt Ceiling]]
* [[Timeline of United States inventions|Inventions]]
** [[Timeline of United States inventions (before 1890)|before 1890]]
** [[Timeline of United States inventions (1890–1945)|1890–1945]]
** [[Timeline of United States inventions (1946–1991)|1946–1991]]
** [[Timeline of United States inventions (after 1991)|after 1991]]
* [[Military history of the United States|Military]]
* [[Postage stamps and postal history of the United States|Postal]]
* [[Technological and industrial history of the United States|Technological and industrial]]
 }}


<!---------------------- Geography ------------------------>

| geography =
* [[List of lists of settlements in the United States|Cities, towns, and villages]]
* [[County (United States)|Counties]]
* [[Extreme points of the United States|Extreme points]]
* [[List of islands of the United States|Islands]]
* [[List of mountains of the United States|Mountains]]
** [[Mountain peaks of the United States|Peaks]]
** [[Appalachian Mountains|Appalachian]]
** [[Rocky Mountains|Rocky]]
* [[List of areas in the United States National Park System|National Park System]]
* [[List of regions of the United States|Regions]]
** [[Great Plains]]
** [[Mid-Atlantic states|Mid-Atlantic]]
** [[Midwestern United States|Midwestern]]
** [[New England]]
** [[Northwestern United States|Northwestern]]
** [[Southern United States|Southern]]
** [[Southwestern United States|Southwestern]]
** [[Pacific States|Pacific]]
** [[Western United States|Western]]
* [[List of rivers of the United States|Rivers]]
** [[Colorado River|Colorado]]
** [[Columbia River|Columbia]]
** [[Mississippi River|Mississippi]]
** [[Missouri River|Missouri]]
** [[Ohio River|Ohio]]
** [[Rio Grande]]
* [[U.S. state|States]]
* [[United States territory|Territory]]
* [[Water supply and sanitation in the United States|Water supply and sanitation]]



<!---------------------- Governance ----------------------->

| governance =
 {{Navbox |child |groupstyle=padding-left:0.5em;padding-right:0.5em;font-weight:normal;

  | group1 = [[Federal government of the United States|Federal]]
  | list1 =
   {{Navbox |child |groupstyle=padding-left:0.5em;padding-right:0.5em;font-weight:normal;
    | group1 = Executive
    | list1 =
* '''[[President of the United States|President]]'''
** [[Executive Office of the President of the United States|Executive Office]]
* [[Cabinet of the United States|Cabinet]]{{\}}[[United States federal executive departments|Executive departments]]
* [[United States federal civil service|Civil service]]
* [[Independent agencies of the United States government|Independent agencies]]
* [[Federal law enforcement in the United States|Law enforcement]]
* [[Public policy of the United States|Public policy]]
    | group2 = Legislature
    | list2 =
* '''[[United States Congress|Congress]]'''
** [[United States Senate|Senate]]
*** [[Vice President of the United States|Vice President]]
*** [[President pro tempore of the United States Senate|President pro tem]]
** [[United States House of Representatives|House of Representatives]]
*** [[Speaker of the United States House of Representatives|Speaker]]
    | group3 = Judiciary
    | list3 =
* '''[[Supreme Court of the United States|Supreme Court]]'''
* [[United States federal courts|Federal courts]]
* [[United States courts of appeals|Courts of appeals]]
* [[United States district court|District courts]]
    | group4 = [[Law of the United States|Law]]
    | list4 =
* [[United States Constitution|Constitution]]
** [[Federalism in the United States|Federalism]]
** [[Federal preemption|Preemption]]
** [[Separation of powers under the United States Constitution|Separation of powers]]
* [[United States Bill of Rights|Bill of Rights]]
** [[Civil liberties in the United States|Civil liberties]]
* [[Code of Federal Regulations]]
* [[Federal Reporter]]
* [[United States Code]]
* [[United States Reports]]
    | group5 = [[United States Intelligence Community|Intelligence]]
    | list5 =
* [[Central Intelligence Agency]]
* [[Defense Intelligence Agency]]
* [[National Security Agency]]
* [[Federal Bureau of Investigation]]
    | group6 = [[Uniformed services of the United States|Uniformed]]
    | list6 =
* [[United States Armed Forces|Armed Forces]]
** [[United States Air Force|Air Force]]
** [[United States Army|Army]]
** [[United States Marine Corps|Marine Corps]]
** [[United States Navy|Navy]]
** [[National Guard of the United States|National Guard]]
* [[United States Coast Guard|Coast Guard]]
* [[National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps|NOAA Corps]]
* [[United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps|Public Health Service Corps]]
   }}
 }}

| politics =
* [[Political divisions of the United States|Administrative divisions]]
* [[Elections in the United States|Elections]]
** [[Electoral College (United States)|Electoral College]]
* [[Foreign policy of the United States|Foreign policy]]
* [[Foreign relations of the United States|Foreign relations]]
* [[Political ideologies in the United States|Ideologies]]
* [[Local government in the United States|Local governments]]
* [[Political parties in the United States|Parties]]
** [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic Party]]
** [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican Party]]
** [[Third party (United States)|Third parties]]
* [[Political status of Puerto Rico]]
* [[Red states and blue states]]
* [[List of federal political scandals in the United States|Scandals]]
* [[State governments of the United States|State governments]]
* [[Uncle Sam]]


<!----------------------- Economy ------------------------->

| economy =
* '''[[Economic issues in the United States|Economic issues]]'''
* [[Agriculture in the United States|Agriculture]]
* [[Banking in the United States|Banking]]
* [[Communications in the United States|Communications]]
* [[List of companies of the United States|Companies]]
** [[List of companies of the United States by state|by state]]
* [[United States dollar|Dollar {{small|(currency)}}]]
* [[Energy in the United States|Energy]]
* [[United States federal budget|Federal Budget]]
* [[Federal Reserve System]]
* [[Financial position of the United States|Financial position]]
* [[Insurance in the United States|Insurance]]
* [[Labor unions in the United States|Labor unions]]
* [[Mining in the United States|Mining]]
* [[United States public debt|Public debt]]
* [[Social programs in the United States|Social welfare programs]]
* [[Taxation in the United States|Taxation]]
* [[Tourism in the United States|Tourism]]
* [[Foreign trade of the United States|Trade]]
* [[Transportation in the United States|Transportation]]
* [[Unemployment in the United States|Unemployment]]
* [[Wall Street]]


<!----------------------- Society ------------------------->

| society =
 {{Navbox |child |groupstyle=padding-left:0.5em;padding-right:0.5em;font-weight:normal;

  | group1 = [[Index of United States–related articles|By topic]]
  | list1 =
* [[Crime in the United States|Crime]]
* [[Demographics of the United States|Demographics]]
* [[Education in the United States|Education]]
* [[Family structure in the United States|Family structure]]
* [[Health care in the United States|Health care]]
* [[Health insurance in the United States|Health insurance]]
* [[Incarceration in the United States|Incarceration]]
* [[Languages of the United States|Languages]]
** [[American English]]
** [[Spanish language in the United States|Spanish]]
** [[French language in the United States|French]]
* [[Media of the United States|Media]]
* [[Americans|People]]
* [[Public holidays in the United States|Public holidays]]
* [[Religion in the United States|Religion]]
* [[Sports in the United States|Sports]]

  | group2 = [[Social class in the United States|Social class]]
  | list2 =
* [[Affluence in the United States|Affluence]]
* [[American Dream]]
* [[Educational attainment in the United States|Educational attainment]]
* [[Homelessness in the United States|Homelessness]]
* [[Homeownership in the United States|Homeownership]]
* [[Household income in the United States|Household income]]
* [[Income inequality in the United States|Income inequality]]
* [[American middle class|Middle class]]
* [[Personal income in the United States|Personal income]]
* [[Poverty in the United States|Poverty]]
* [[Professional and working class conflict in the United States|Professional and working class conflict]]
* [[Standard of living in the United States|Standard of living]]
* [[Smoking in the United States|Smoking]]
* [[Wealth in the United States|Wealth]]

  | group3 = <!--[[Social issues in the United States|-->Issues<!--]]-->
  | list3 =
* [[Abortion in the United States|Abortion]]
* [[Affirmative action in the United States|Affirmative action]]
* [[Anti-Americanism]]
* [[Capital punishment in the United States|Capital punishment]]
* [[Discrimination in the United States|Discrimination]]
* [[Federal drug policy of the United States|Drug policy]]
* [[Energy policy of the United States|Energy policy]]
* [[Environmental movement in the United States|Environmental movement]]
* [[American exceptionalism|Exceptionalism]]
* [[Gun politics in the United States|Gun politics]]
* [[Health care reform in the United States|Health care reform]]
* [[Human rights in the United States|Human rights]]
* [[Immigration to the United States|Immigration]]
* [[Illegal immigration to the United States|Illegal Immigration]]
* [[International rankings of the United States|International rankings]]
* [[LGBT rights in the United States|LGBT rights]]
** [[Same-sex marriage in the United States|Same-sex marriage]]
* [[Obesity in the United States|Obesity]]
* [[Racism and ethnic discrimination in the United States|Racism]]
* [[Separation of church and state in the United States|Interpretation of "Separation of church and state"]]
* [[Terrorism in the United States|Terrorism]]
 }}

| culture =
* [[Architecture of the United States|Architecture]]
* [[Visual art of the United States|Art]]
* [[Cinema of the United States|Cinema]]
* [[Cuisine of the United States|Cuisine]]
* [[Dance in the United States|Dance]]
* [[Fashion in the United States|Fashion]]
* [[Flag of the United States|Flag]]
* [[Folklore of the United States|Folklore]]
* [[American literature|Literature]]
* [[Music of the United States|Music]]
* [[American philosophy|Philosophy]]
* [[Radio in the United States|Radio]]
* [[Television in the United States|Television]]
* [[Theater of the United States|Theater]]

}}


[[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 00:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

::Lets try it see if anyone reverts (the main 2 people that ran the project have retired recently) - lets try it on the  Russia one as-well. Can we implement those Canadian colors if we swap templates?[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 00:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
::: Okay, I'll copy the above to the United States topics template, then edit the Russia one directly (then don helmet?). The Canada topics template has more customization (the backgrounds and lines) than that offered by {{tl|Country topics}}, so it's probably best left as a Navbox, but I could rearrange its contents along Country topics lines (i.e. main groups = History, Geography, Governance, Economy, Society) if that's what's desired. [[User:CsDix|CsDix]] ([[User talk:CsDix|talk]]) 00:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Lets leave the Canada one alone...very long debate to get to were they are. They seem to hate the over sized ones.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 05:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

== Took out flag ==

I couldn't see what the flag parameter was adding here so I took it out. Per [[WP:MOSICON]], singular flags in infoboxes and templates aren't recommended. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 22:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
:This edit broke the title, which is now split over two lines.  [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 00:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for fixing it. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 00:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
:::It's been practice '''for years''' to have the flag in the template. Please reconsider the edit, as __NOTITLEFLAG__ is capable of suppressing certain so-called "cruft"; get a consensus, that's what democratic editing is about. Needless to say, [[Syria]] is a '''CLEAR EXAMPLE''' of a country that should not have a flag at the moment, due to the civil war going on there and the use of the old flag by the opposition versus the official flag. -- [[Special:Contributions/92.13.88.3|92.13.88.3]] ([[User talk:92.13.88.3|talk]]) 19:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
{{Outdent}}
Being able to have a flag icon in the title bar of this template should be added back. It's appropriate for navboxes about countries to have them. Why?
*Flags are allowed inside this navbox with the ''"|image"'' and ''"|imageleft"'' parameters.  But they can't be seen when the navbox is collasped.
*[[WP:MOSICON]] discussion about Flag use is about infoboxes, not navboxes. They play quite different roles in an article.
*This exception is similar to this one at [[WP:MOSICON#Avoid flag icons in infoboxes]]: ''"The use of ship registry flags and International Code of Signals flags in infoboxes of ship articles is appropriate."''
*There are other exceptions for flag icon use with countries in [[WP:MOSICON]], similar to this one.
 — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 22:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 16 March 2014 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Country topics|answered=yes}}
<!-- Begin request -->
Please replace the current version of this template with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Country_topics/sandbox&oldid=599879875 this], the current sandbox version. The only substantive difference is a reduction in the gap between the two lines forming the (default) ''below'' content ([Outline{{dot}}Index{{dot}}Bibliography] and/or [Book{{dot}}Category{{dot}}Commons{{dot}}Portal{{dot}}WikiProject] links). (The sandbox version doesn't feature the noinclude and includeonly areas in the live version, so these need to be retained.)
<!-- End request -->
Thanks, [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
: done?  I made some modifications, since it appears the hlist was removed from the above, and it wasn't clear why we need the plainlist.  revert/ping me if there are problems. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 00:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

:* Thanks for attending to the request. The gap between the two default ''below'' lines still looks a little wide here, though, so I'd ask that <code><nowiki>|belowstyle = padding:0.25em;line-height:1.4em;{{{belowstyle|}}};</nowiki></code> as in the sandbox version linked above. If I recall correctly, the amended hlist/plainlist settings allowed ''addtobelow'' to function fully (hlist seems to overrule plainlist). [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 21:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::: added, I realize that hlist currently "overrules" plainlist, but seems like a good idea to just use one class here if that works.  [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 21:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

:::* Doesn't seem to've worked, I'm afraid; ''belowstyle'' seems to have no effect. After much unsuccessful experimentation in the sandbox, I've fallen back to the plainlist/hlist version (slightly amended; see sandbox history), so please use [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Country_topics/sandbox&oldid=600303602 that one] to update the template. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 13:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
::::: seems to break the second example on the testcase page.  does [[Template:Country topics/sandbox2]] work for you? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 00:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

:::::* Thanks for sandbox2. It doesn't quite work, as I think the newline between each <nowiki><div></nowiki> tag and asterisk mean that the div's line-height styling is ignored. But it's an improvement on the current template's ''below'' spacing. (As I've just left it, sandbox2's operation should be unchanged, but I've added more alignment to the ''below'' section's code.) Yours, [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 00:01, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::: feel free to change either sandbox to get something that works.  is there any particular reason why we can't just have all the below items as a single line?  seems like this would eliminate all the spacing problems? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

:::::::* Sandbox2 is an improvement on the current live template, so let's use that. I guess the ''below'' section has two lines as the links on the first are to other articles, while those on the second are to further afield...? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 09:53, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

==No link to header==
Somehow the data supplied to the parameter '''country''' didn't get linked. This is some sort of implementation problem because allied users have their main topic (country in this case) linked. This is sort of basic in a navigational template. Thanks. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 12:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
: {{reply to|Student7}} example? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
::I can't find one! I'll get back iff I do! Thanks. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 12:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

== Template:Tibet topics ==

For a strange reason the [[Template:Tibet topics]] is giving a link to [[Government of Tibet]] what redirects to [[Tibetan Government]]. But the template shows no link to "Government of Tibet". After much testing I found that the culprit is somewhere hidden behind the link "Politics" in the template. Only when that one is active, the dodgy link shows up. How on earth can I tell "Politics" not to link? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 18:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
: that's the beauty of 'ifexist', it generates entries in 'what links here'.  I fixed the problem in the template with a hack. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:14, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
::Great! Thanks for that! <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 18:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

== Changed "List ... Of ... Topics" to "index of Articles" ==

I have edited this template, changing "List of (country)-related topics" to "Index of (country)-related articles" — given that most, if not all, such lists were page-moved a few years ago. Until today, this template was pointing to a redirect, which I found was playing up on a few pages. [[User:Davidcannon|David Cannon]] ([[User talk:Davidcannon|talk]]) 14:39, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

== Removal of some of the below paramaters ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
Please could someone remove the below parameters pointing to Commons and Wikiproject.  Wikiproject per [[WP:LINKSTYLE]]: {{tq|"Do not create links to user, WikiProject, or draft pages in articles"}}.  As this template is visible in articles, this applies here.  And Commons per [[Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates/Archive 9#RFC: Should Sister Project links be included in Navboxes?]].  --[[User:Robsinden|Rob Sinden]] ([[User talk:Robsinden|talk]]) 15:15, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=]] '''Not done:''' please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see [[WP:TESTCASES]].<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Gold check mark.svg|20px|link=]] '''Partly done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> Don't mean to override Izno here, but per reasonable RfC, I've removed links to Commons, actually. I've kept WikiProject links, because I think [[WP:LINKSTYLE]] is referring to links to WikiProjects in article prose, which this template is not. It's a navbox where I think the wikiproject might be legitimate. I'm toggling {{para|answered}} to have someone else look into deprecating WikiProject links and decide if it's appropriate. — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 15:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Thanks. Isn't the point of [[WP:LINKSTYLE]] to avoid linking away from article namespace into WP: namespace?  That's certainly how I read it.  --[[User:Robsinden|Rob Sinden]] ([[User talk:Robsinden|talk]]) 15:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::<p>{{Ping|Andy M. Wang}} I was only looking to ensure ''I'' didn't break something ( :D ) after investigating that the change may not be trivial, and since Rob made the edit request...</p><p>Regarding WikiProjects, I think [[WP:LINKSTYLE]] applies in spirit if not exact wording. We have portals for that sort of thing. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:44, 13 May 2016 (UTC)</p>
:::I have to leave now. I can look at this again in about 2-3 hours. :) — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 15:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> Any concerns, please ping me. — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 16:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

== headline ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
The first line has the state name and then the wiki link to the index.  Remove the wiki link to the index as there is a separate link to it at the bottom.[[Special:Contributions/68.151.25.115|68.151.25.115]] ([[User talk:68.151.25.115|talk]]) 14:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{tlx|edit template-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ETp --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Train2104|Train2104]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Train2104|t]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Train2104|c]]) 14:54, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

== Add optional law ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
add law to sit in politics, which is quite commonly used. [[User:Viztor|Viztor]] ([[User talk:Viztor|talk]]) 09:28, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 09:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

== WP:NAVNOREDIRECT issues & proposed fixes ==
In some cases, the links generated by this template are redirects (e.g. "Index" on [[Template:United Kingdom topics]] and multiple group headers on [[Template:Gambia topics]], which is suboptimal (cf. [[WP:NAVNOREDIRECT]]). I've made two changes in the sandbox ([[Special:Diff/1016160506/1025435611|diff]], [[Template:Country topics/testcases|test cases]]) to:
* resolve all of the "default" (non-optional, not needing to be explicitly "enabled" using parameters, i.e. the one visible at [[Template:Country topics]] itself) generated links in case they are redirects
* find the correct "Index" page according to [[MOS:SUFFIXDASH]], e.g. [[Index of Belgium-related articles]], but [[Index of United Kingdom–related articles]].
I've only touched the "default" generated links for now because I didn't want to drive up the expensive parser function count too much at once. If I haven't missed anything, my changes should have increased it by 15 in the worst case, which I think is reasonable. If nobody [[WP:SILENT|objects]], I'll open an edit request a few days from now. –&nbsp;[[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contributions/Rummskartoffel|contribs]]) 16:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
:Based on the United States test-case, the dash fix doesn't appear to work. Are you seeing differently? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 17:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
::I am, in fact. Could it be that you accidentally looked at the live version of the template and not the sandbox version? The top invocation is the live version, the middle is the sandbox I edited, and the third is a secondary sandbox. –&nbsp;[[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contributions/Rummskartoffel|contribs]]) 17:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Ah, perhaps I was looking at the wrong sandbox. Does appear to be working. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 17:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
{{TPER|answered=yes}}
: Please apply [[Special:Diff/1016160506/1025435611|this]] change. See above for details. –&nbsp;[[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contributions/Rummskartoffel|contribs]]) 10:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
:: {{done}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

== Too many expensive parser function calls ==

[[List of Caribbean-related topics]] is currently showing <code>&#91;[Lua error: too many expensive function calls.|Politics]&#93;</code>. Editing the article and previewing shows: Warning: This page contains too many expensive parser function calls. It should have less than 500 calls, there are now 564 calls.

A preview of the following from the article shows 539 expensive calls.
<pre>
{{Anguilla}}
{{Antigua and Barbuda topics}}
{{Aruba topics}}
{{Barbados topics}}
{{British Virgin Islands topics}}
{{Cayman Islands topics}}
{{Cuba topics}}
{{Curaçao topics}}
{{Dominica topics}}
{{Dominican Republic topics}}
{{Grenada topics}}
{{Guadeloupe topics}}
{{Haiti topics}}
{{Jamaica topics}}
{{Martinique topics}}
{{Montserrat topics}}
{{Puerto Rico topics}}
{{Saint Kitts and Nevis topics}}
{{Saint Lucia topics}}
{{Saint Vincent and the Grenadines topics}}
{{Trinidad and Tobago topics}}
{{United States Virgin Islands}}
</pre>
It could be argued that there are too many navboxes in this article. However, I believe each is calling {{tl|Country topics}} which has 26 occurrences of #ifexist, and I'm wondering if there is some clean way of avoiding those tests. I was thinking of an optional parameter but it would be ugly. Any ideas? {{u|G. Moore}} is currently working on the article. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
:I noticed this and couldn't figure out why it is occurring. This article is an Outline of the Caribbean.   It helps to have all the topics for the Caribbean and Caribbean countries in one place because there is a lot of overlap. I looked at some other Outlines of regions like South America and Asia, which also have lots of templates but they use the individual Geography of, Politics of, History of, etc. templates.   [[User Talk:G. Moore| Talk]] to G Moore 03:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
:A bunch of expensive function calls also come from [[Module:Redirect]], 11 invocations to which I added in June (see section just above this one), but there's an unapplied change sitting around in its sandbox that would remove those calls and bring the article down to 445 expensive functions. I'll go file an edit request there. –&nbsp;[[User talk:Rummskartoffel|<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span>]] 11:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
:I have put most of the template content into links to the countries and only use a few templates at the bottom of the page.  No longer get the lua error.   --[[User Talk:G. Moore| Talk]] to G Moore 18:43, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

== -related ==

{{edit_template-protected|answered=yes}}
Change –related (en dash) to -related (hyphen). (Revert [[User:GoldRingChip]]'s edit and [[User: Paine Ellsworth]]'s edit.) All 'Index of Country name–related articles' pages have the redirect 'Index of Country name-related articles.' But 'Index of Country-related articles' is not likely to have the redirect 'Index of Country–related articles.'  [[User:Sawol|Sawol]] ([[User talk:Sawol|talk]]) 17:42, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:It appears those were edited in accordance with [[MOS:SUFFIXDASH]]. Can you show some examples? '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>20:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)</small>
::I agree with {{U|Paine Ellsworth}} that the dash form is probably correct in many cases. Some links to example usages in articles or other pages would be helpful for determining if the dash is being applied correctly. I am marking this request as answered for now, since there is no immediate edit to make. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:06, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:e.g [[Template:Haiti topics]]. 'Haiti-related' (hyphen) is the compound of Haiti and related. 'United States–related' (en dash) is the compound of United States and related. [[User:Sawol|Sawol]] ([[User talk:Sawol|talk]]) 12:35, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
::I am unable to find the string "related" at [[Template:Haiti topics]], either in the wikitext or the rendered page. Where does "Haiti-related" (or "Haiti–related") appear? – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:::There is supposed to be a link at the bottom of the template, next to the "Outline" link, with link text "Index", linking to [[Index of Haiti-related articles]] (with a hyphen-minus). But because of the edit this ER is talking about, it only displays that link if [[Index of Haiti–related articles]] (with an en dash) exists. You can see what it's supposed to look like by editing {{t|Haiti topics}} to replace <code><nowiki>{{Country topics</nowiki></code> at the top with <code><nowiki>{{Country topics/sandbox</nowiki></code> and previewing. [[User talk:Rummskartoffel|<span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span>]] 16:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
::::It would help to get a handle on the scope of this. We might be able to create redirects, as I have done with the above index, to resolve this. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>03:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::::Per [[WP:NAVNOREDIRECT]], redirects would be suboptimal, though I guess we could just slap <code>{{ml|redirect|main|4=fulltext=y|5=''<title goes here>''}}</code> on every single one. But I don't understand why the part of the template that generates the "Index" link was changed to begin with ([[User:GoldRingChip|GoldRingChip]], could you clarify?); after my edit earlier this year ([[#WP:NAVNOREDIRECT issues & proposed fixes|see above]]), it was already supposed to always select the correct title automatically. [[User talk:Rummskartoffel|<span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span>]] 14:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::: {{Reply|Rummskartoffel}} The ndash vs hyphen debate ought to be settled. I modified the template to use ndash. —[[User talk:GoldRingChip|GoldRingChip]] 14:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::::But the template already used en dashes before your edit, if the article title was using an en dash. Unless I'm missing something, the only thing I can see your edit achieved is that the template now fails to link to the article if it doesn't use an en dash, as was the case with {{t|Haiti topics}} before Paine Ellsworth created the redirect [[Index of Haiti–related articles]]. [[User talk:Rummskartoffel|<span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span>]] 17:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: {{Reply|Rummskartoffel}} I see what you mean, and I'm sorry for the confusion. I've reverted. —[[User talk:GoldRingChip|GoldRingChip]] 19:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
{{to|Sawol}} {{done|done}}. My edits have also been reverted, so this request has been granted. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>20:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)</small>
:After that revert, I believe the second and third checks for the index article are now identical, so the third one should be removed. The comments in that part of the source code should also be changed, since they refer to checking for articles containing en dashes, which is now not being done any more. [[User talk:Rummskartoffel|<span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span>]] 20:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:: This is similar to a [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_March_20#MOS:SUFFIXDASH_moves|recent discussion on categories]], where there was no consensus to follow the usual rule of [[MOS:SUFFIXDASH]] for "-related lists". I documented this on the MOS page [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style&diff=1019238595&oldid=1019219653 here], and tried to draw attention on the talk page [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_222#Partial_use_of_SUFFIXDASH_in_category_names |here]]. 
:: A further brief discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_222#SUFFIXDASH_and_category_names|here]] made no progress. 
:: I think it would be an improvement to gain consensus that "-related" always uses a hyphen rather than a dash, in both articles and category names. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 23:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:::I haven't looked at the code in detail, but it seems that we should be able to check for a space between two letters in the country name, and if it is present, apply a dash instead of a hyphen. That should get us "Turks and Caicos–related" and "France-related" with one code fragment. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
::::According to the very first comment in this thread, {{tq|[a]ll 'Index of Country name–related articles' pages have the redirect 'Index of Country name-related articles'}}. Because of [[WP:NAVNOREDIRECT]], this template already uses [[Module:Redirect]] to bypass redirects and directly link to the actual title of the index article. This means no fancy logic will be necessary. [[User talk:Rummskartoffel|<span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span>]] 22:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{to|Rummskartoffel}} yes, it looks like I replaced two too many endashes with hyphens. So that third check, which is actually for endashed indexes, has been restored to its previous condition. Thank you for the good catch''!'' '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>08:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)</small>

== What is the purpose of all the different options for the "name" parameter? ==

I've just answered a question about a template issue at the teahouse caused by this parameter, and looking at the template I don't see why this parameter is set up the way it is. At the moment the template contains the code:
<pre>|name = {{if empty|{{{template_name|}}}| {{#if:{{{country|{{{territory|{{{region|{{{titlename|}}}}}}}}}}}}| {{{country|{{{territory|{{{region|{{{titlename}}}}}}}}}}}} topics}} | {{FULLPAGENAME}} }}</pre>
What is the point of this, and what advantage does it have over:
<pre>|name = {{PAGENAME}} </pre>
? The name parameter is used to set the target of the "V • T • E" links at the top of the navbox, it should never be set to something other than the page name of the template. The current setup of correctly getting the template name (though with unnecessary namespace), then overriding it with a guess if other parameters are present, then providing a parameter to override the guess and put it back to the correct value when it goes wrong just seems unnecessarily confusing. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.85|192.76.8.85]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.85|talk]]) 23:22, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

== Issue with links to 'Outline' and 'Index' which are redirects ==

The template should not blindly add links to "Outline" and "Index" as this is sometimes a problem, in particular, when one redirects to the other. For an example, see {{tl|Brazil topics}}, where {{no redirect|Index of Brazil-related articles}} redirects to [[Outline of Brazil]]. Redirects can be detected using <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:redirect|isRedirect|...}}</nowiki></code>, so, for example, <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:redirect|isRedirect|Index of Brazil-related articles}}</nowiki></code> = "{{#invoke:redirect|isRedirect|Index of Brazil-related articles}}", and in this case, it should only display one link (the non-redirect).  [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 22:47, 25 February 2023 (UTC)