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== Notes ==

There is now also {{tl|portalpar}} which has one parameter. When do we get standard arguments? -[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 15:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:This is now deprecated. Use this template instead. <span style="font-family: Verdana;">[[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] &bull; [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]]</span> 22:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
== &lt;noinclude>instructions&lt;/noinclude> ==

Why does [[Template:Portal]] ''talk about'' the template instead of ''be'' the template? Talk belongs here on [[Template talk:Portal]] not on [[Template:Portal]], right? How does the template even work? Confused--[[User:Rogerhc|Roger Chrisman]] 23:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, I see: the &lt;noinclude>talk talk talk&lt;/noinclude> tag is keeping the ''talk'' out of the template instances while allowing it to show on the template's page. --[[User:Rogerhc|Roger Chrisman]] 00:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
== vertical alignment ==

I think the text should be vertically centered. Is there a way to do this independent of text size? -[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 13:08, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
== This should not be linked to articles ==

See [[wikipedia:avoid self-references]]. articles should not link pages in the wikipedia namespace. These become broken links when people want to clone the article. --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 09:22, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: I have seen and it is only a guideline. Specifically it is about avoidable self-refs in articles. It also excludes templates to some extend.  -[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 12:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::If we have similar boxes for sister projects and spoken Wikipedia, why not portals? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:20, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::Links to sister projects are external. Note that those boxes no longer say 'sister projects' since that was a self ref as well. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 03:04, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What do we do about dead links in clones? The Wikiportals are inherently self-referential. The links to sister projects are much link beautified external links. They are not links to utility pages. This could work if we used a different namespace for portals... --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 01:21, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:What do WE do? Nothing, it's their clone. If they're smart they'll either disable this template or copy the portal. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 01:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Maximum portability is one key reason why we have the license we do have. A primary goal the project is to make what we do here as easy to use by ''everybody'' as possible. This aspect is non-negotiable. Having too many self-references tends to defeat that goal. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]
:::No shit, that's what {{tl|sr}} is for, to get them all using one template. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 07:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Jiang is right. We cannot link to the Wikipedia namespace from within articles. All such links will be removed. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 02:52, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:They'll only be removed if you insist on being stubborn. It doesn't have to be this way. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 07:42, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think what is needed is to make the WikiPortals more visible from the Main Page. I'd also like to replace the community portal link with a WikiPortal link (the community portal is really just one WikiPortal). --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 03:07, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
== TfD'd ==

This template was listed for deletion on [[WP:TFD|Templates for Deletion]].  The decision was to '''keep''' this template.  Please see [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/May 2005]] for more information. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 16:53, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
== put on talk ==

Considering the discussion here and on the tfd, how would people object to moving this template from article pages to talk pages? --[[User:Weyes|W]]([[User talk:Weyes|t]]) 04:58, 2005 Jun 27 (UTC)
:this is an article (template) link. Portals are for readers also.--[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 18:25, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
== The text on the template ==

It would be a good idea add the word "Visit" to the template to become "Visit {PAGENAME} Portal". Any comments? [[User:FayssalF|Svest]] 02:43, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure. I'd say if nobody objects, just implement it and see what happens. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 11:58, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
:*As long as its size doesn't increase. --[[User:Commander Keane|Commander Keane]] 10:27, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
== Where to put it? ==

I noticed that some articles use this template right at the top of the article, while others have it at the bottom under '''See also'''... Are there any "official" guidelines as to where to put it? --[[User:Fritz Saalfeld|Fritz S.]] 20:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Under current guidelines it should really go under see also, as that is what it is. I don't know of any discussions about letting them go at the top of the page. <span style="font-family: Verdana;">[[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] &bull; [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]]</span> 12:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
:Put it in the see also section. There seems to be an exception, that you should put is at the top for artciles that carry the same name as the portal (e.g. the Mathematics portal should be at the top of the Mathematics article but in the see also section of the [[manifold]] article, if placed there at all). I personally don't like this very much and would hope to see soem extra MediaWiki support for Portal. For example, you should be able to place <code><nowiki>[[portal:Mathematics]]</nowiki></code> somewhere at the bottom of the article, and the link should then show up in the navigation box, instead of in the article itself. —''[[User:R.Koot|Ruud]]'' 12:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
::What about cases in which there is no see also section? I attempted to create a see also section containing only this template, and it does not appear to display properly. [[User:Squideshi|Squideshi]] ([[User talk:Squideshi|talk]]) 19:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:As it appears not to allow test to flow around it I've just moved the one in [[Forest Row]] to it's own See Also section - [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Forest_Row&diff=188228891&oldid=188220198]. If placing at the top, hide the table of contents on Preview to check for any adverse formatting problems. -- John <span class="plainlinks" style="font-family: Verdana; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 11px; text-align: center;">([[User:Daytona2|Daytona2]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[User talk:Daytona2|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[Special:Contributions/Daytona2|Contribs]])</span> 20:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
== [[Template:Click|Click]] test ==

I just tested {{tl|click}} on the template in an effort to have [[:Image:Portal.gif]] link to [[Portal:Browse]]. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and I'm not sure why. Anyone know how to get it to work?--[[User:Cyberjunkie|cj]] [[P:AU||]] [[User talk:Cyberjunkie|talk]] 03:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think it was the "thumb" class on the div that broke it for you. I've just tried it without (by trial and error) and it seems to work now. [[User:Nicklott|nick]] 16:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I actually use Firefox and it looked fine on my screen, but I use ultra high resolution and teeny tiny fonts so it was probably a problem with the overlay at different resolutions. Sorry. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBD]] <big><sub>[[User talk:CBDunkerson|&#x260E;]]</sub></big> <sup>[[Special:Emailuser/CBDunkerson|&#x2709;]]</sup> 16:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Ah, sorry, i posted on your talk page exactly the same time you replied here. Yeah, I'm not sure, but it looked like an empty box with a double border on the right. [[User:Nicklott|nick]] 17:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
== Standard, named arguments ==

At [[User:Jdorje/Portal]] is a variant that takes named arguments, based on {{tl|portalpar}}.  Portalpar claims to take optional parameters but because they are unnamed you don't have the option of leaving out any but the last one (nonetheless, simply including {{tl|portalpar}} with no arguments appears to be the equivalent of {{tl|portal}} and isn't a bad way to do it).
With named arguments, each argument may be optional.  Examples:
{|
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:Jdorje/Portal|portal=Tropical cyclones}}</nowiki>
|{{User:Jdorje/Portal|portal=Tropical cyclones}}
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:Jdorje/Portal|portal=Tropical cyclones|image=Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG}}</nowiki>
|{{User:Jdorje/Portal|portal=Tropical cyclones|image=Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG}}
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:Jdorje/Portal}}</nowiki>
|{{User:Jdorje/Portal}}
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:Jdorje/Portal|image=Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG|size=48x48px}}</nowiki>
|{{User:Jdorje/Portal|image=Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG|size=48x56px}}
|}

In my opinion either this (or the portalpar unnamed-parameter version, which is less verbose but slightly less useful) should simply replace {{tl|portal}}.  Both are backwards-compatible.

— [[User:Jdorje|jdorje]] <small>([[User_talk:jdorje|talk]])</small> 05:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
:The extra parameters were added to portalpar 'unnamed' because there were already numerous calls to the template in existence with the form <nowiki>{{portalpar|<name>}}</nowiki>. In most cases I think it works out fine because you usually don't need to set a non-default image size unless you are using a non-default image.
:That said, there really aren't any 'un-named' parameters. If no name is specified then they default to '1', '2', et cetera... and those names can be used to do exactly what you are looking for. For instance:
<nowiki>{{portalpar|2=Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG}}</nowiki>
{{portal|2=Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG}}
:Since the 'portal' template originally didn't have any parameters the optional 'image' and 'size' could be added with names without messing up any of the existing calls. I think what you are looking for is to combine the 'portalpar' and 'portal' templates into one... I made a change to 'portal' to use a 'name' parameter, which defaults to the current pagename. I think that adds the same capability without changing the existing calls. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 12:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
::If we go with the unnamed parameters then {{tl|portal}} is just a subset of {{tl|portalpar}} and the two should be merged (as it is, portalpar with no parameters is equivalent to portal).  If, however, we add named parameters (as I suggested and you started adding) then the two cannot be merged.  So while I prefer named parameters I think the unnamed parameters are better and these two templates should be merged. — [[User:Jdorje|jdorje]] <small>([[User_talk:jdorje|talk]])</small> 07:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
== Why the messy code? ==

The template looks so simple, yet theres messy code in there that seems entirely removable. Is it there for some reason? [[User:Fresheneesz|Fresheneesz]] 22:50, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:Which part do you think is messy/not needed? I'd guess the section you are referring to is the part which makes the image clickable. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 15:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
== TfD nomination of Template:Portal ==

[[Template:Portal]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Portal|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!-- Tfdnotice --> [[User:Rory096|Rory096]] 05:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
: The discussion has been closed early, as a quasi-unanimous '''keep'''. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters/Flcelloguy's Tool|help us]])</sup> 20:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
== Converting to title template ==

To remove the obtrusiveness of the current template, and to allow for more prominent linking of portals, I think this template should be reformated to a [[:Category:title templates|title template]] alongside {{tl|featured article}} and {{tl|Spoken Wikipedia}}. I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal&oldid=56633326 tested] such a format here. Any objections or suggested tweaks?--[[User:Cyberjunkie|cj]] | [[User talk:Cyberjunkie|talk]] 08:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:Also, does anyone know someone with a bot that can replace all instances of {{tl|portalpar}} with {{tl|portal}}?--[[User:Cyberjunkie|cj]] | [[User talk:Cyberjunkie|talk]] 08:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:A few issues to consider: some people already object to {{[[Template:featured portal|featured portal]]}} and {{[[Template:Spoken Wikipedia|Spoken Wikipedia]]}} and have successfully TFD'd all other icons of similar sort that have been created, alot of articles which would have 'portal' links might also be 'featured' or 'spoken' and thus have problems with overlapping icons, the optional image/image size parameters of {{[[Template:portal|portal]]}} would not work well with the tiny size of this icon in many cases, and finally without the text ''or'' an optional image it will not be possible to determine by glance ''which'' portal a particular link connects to. I don't think these are insurmountable obstacles, but they should be considered. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 13:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
::I don't think a title template should be used, per exactly the reasons cited by CBDunkerson.  I noticed the tfd's for the other such icon templates.  The current {{tl|portal}}, while not perfect, will do.  Perhaps, it can be improved in some other way. -[[User:AudeVivere|Aude]] (<small>[[User_talk:AudeVivere|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AudeVivere|contribs]]</small>) 00:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::I'm not fazed by previous tfd's: I believe that function of this template is of an importance that would except it. The problems of overlap are avoided through indentation. In my [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal&oldid=56633326 test], the icon is situated 50px from the right page edge, placing it to the left of {{tl|Spoken Wikipedia}} and {{tl|featured article}}. Customised images would be abandoned under this format, with the [[:Image:Portal.gif|portal icon]] being deployed universally. It is true that one would not be able to determine which portal is being linked, but I don't see this as a significant problem and it can be, to some extent, mitigated. It is is possible to provide a mouse-over caption in which the portal could be named. But I expect that this format would promote familiarity with portals in general, and in turn, people would be more enthusiastic about visiting them.--[[User:Cyberjunkie|cj]] | [[User talk:Cyberjunkie|talk]] 06:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Multiple icons in the top right would create clutter and be distracting from the article.  Also, which articles would use the template?  For example, [[Portal:Science]]?  Would just [[Science]] get the template icon, or would many science-topic articles use it? -[[User:AudeVivere|Aude]] (<small>[[User_talk:AudeVivere|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AudeVivere|contribs]]</small>) 22:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::::That's a question about the template itself, not the proposed format. This template is already used on a multitude of articles with only a slight relationship to the linked portal. Personally, I favour a minimalist approach, and have only deployed this template for [[Portal:Australia]] at the [[Australia]] article – although that's in part because I've always disliked the present format. I suppose that's something we need to work out though, regardless of what the template looks like.--[[User:Cyberjunkie|cj]] | [[User talk:Cyberjunkie|talk]] 07:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::I have looked at [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template%3APortal What links here] for {{tl|Portal}}, and found over 7000 articles and categories using the template.  Putting icons in the top right should only be done sparingly.  For just the [[Wikipedia:Featured portals|Featured portals]], a portal icon in the top right might be acceptable, alongside {{tl|featured portal}} and {{tl|Spoken Wikipedia}}.  This would be in addition to the current {{tl|Portal}}.  In all the other instances, I suggest keeping the current implementation. (in the "See also" or "External links" sections)  -[[User:AudeVivere|Aude]] (<small>[[User_talk:AudeVivere|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AudeVivere|contribs]]</small>) 16:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
== Please somebody move it little to the left ==

If you use Opera 603 browser, this template will be placed too far to the right. In fact I see only half of the template in the upper right corner, and the other half is in left corner down. Can somebody correct that? [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 23:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
::This one look good for example: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Portal [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 23:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
== Corrected error ==

I reverted template parameters to last version by Nicklott from 15:59, 10 January 2006. That was the last version where template did not had error. I think that error was caused by this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3APortal&diff=34626711&oldid=34623768 After this edit, the template was broken (on Opera browser) - one half of the template was placed in right corner of the page and another was placed in left corner. [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 00:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
:Why is it taking the portal name from the name of the article, not the first parameter? Someone fix this. [[User:Imroy|Imroy]] 00:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
::I've reverted PANONIAN's edit because it appears to be causing problems in at least Firefox and IE. If someone can fix the problem for Opera without messing it up on other browsers, that would obviously be welcome. —[[User:Cuivienen|Cuivi]][[User:Cuivienen/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">é</span>]][[User talk:Cuivienen|nen]] 01:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
:::What problems it cause on Firefox and IE? It looked fine on my IE. [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 19:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
::::What about this one that I took from French Wikipedia? It look fine on both, Opera and IE. [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 20:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well this one from French Wikipedia appear to be the same as the one I used before. I will see to find another one. [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 20:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
== The error still exist ==

The error is still not corrected. There is still problem with this template on Opera browser. I do not know how to correct it, I can only revert to an old version that look fine on Opera, but since User:Cuivienen said that this old version cause problems on another browsers, can somebody finally correct this template that it looks OK on all browsers? Is it possible that nobody care for this problem? [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 12:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
*I am unable to replicate this problem in either ''[[Opera (web browser)|Opera]] Version 8.54 Build 7730'' nor ''Opera Version 9.00 Beta Build 8414''. Also, the current template validates as [http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DTemplate%3APortal%26oldid%3D58729898&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&verbose=1 Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional with no errors] and [http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DTemplate%3APortal%26oldid%3D58729898&usermedium=all CSS validation shows 1 error and some minor warnings]. The current version also appears to have no problems with ''[[Firefox]] Version 1.5.0.4'', ''[[Internet Explorer]] Version 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-159'' and ''[[K-Meleon]] Version 0.9 (built on Mozilla 1.7.12)''. My guess would be it's a bug in that version of the browser, either with handling of XHTML, or CSS. [[User:TheJC|TheJC]] <sup>[[User talk:TheJC|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/TheJC|Contributions]]</sub> 05:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::My Opera is 6.03. So, if there is a bug in that version of the browser I use, can we do something with this? I can live with this bug, but what about other users of Wikipedia that use Opera 6.03? Should we not to make that articles look good on all browsers (or its versions) that might be used by people who read Wikipedia? [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 02:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Since nobody fixed this problem yet, here is the screenshoot how this template looks in my Opera 6.03 browser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Template44.png I hope somebody will do something with this eventually. [[User:PANONIAN|<span style="color:blue;">'''PANONIAN'''</span>]] [[User talk:PANONIAN|<span style="color:purple;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 23:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:Was it fixed by the change by [[User:Chris huh]]? If not, it could possibly be a bug in that version of Opera; it works fine in Opera 9 on Linux. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']]&nbsp;&bull; 15:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
== tables, ewww ==

Any particular reason we can't just use something like this?:
<code><nowiki><div style="margin: 0 0 1em 1em; border: 1px solid #aaa; background: #f9f9f9; padding: 1ex 1.45ex; font-size: 90%; float: right;">
[[Image:{{{image|{{{2|Portal.gif}}}}}}|{{{size|{{{3|36}}}}}}x32px|Portal:{{{name|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}]] '''''[[Portal:{{{name|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}|{{{name|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}} Portal]]'''''
</div></nowiki></code>
¦ [[User:Reisio|Reisio]] 21:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
== Getting it to work ==

Why can't I get this template to work for me?  I tried using <nowiki>{{Portal|Weather|Dszpics1.jpg|100px}}</nowiki>, but it ended up ugly like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Weather&oldid=81294519 this] with no image.  Then I thought maybe it was because I didnt include the size parameter, but that made it even worse:  Part of the picture showed up, and the box became rediculously long: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Weather&oldid=81295093].  What am I doing wrong here? ... Someone help, please! -[[User:Runningonbrains|Runningonbrains]] 22:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:Your problem is that 100px is not wide enough to fit the image in, apparently. Try <nowiki>{{Portal|Weather|Dszpics1.jpg}}</nowiki> next time, as I did. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 18:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
== Option to put on left? ==

As the standard practice is to put the portal link into the "See also" section, this leads to a visual formatting that seems odd when the "See also" is empty.  It would be nice to have an option to float it to the left if there are no other entries in See also.  &mdash; [[User:ERcheck|ERcheck]] ([[User talk:ERcheck|talk]]) 23:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I Agree it would be much easier. On top of ERcheck's reason if your article has a long userbox you can white drop down half the article by adding a portal.--[[User:Wilsbadkarma|<span style="color:#25185d;">'''Wils'''</span><span style="color:#bc8d00;">'''Bad'''</span><span style="color:#25185d;">'''Karma'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Wilsbadkarma|<span style="color:#bb8900;">'''Talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wilsbadkarma|<span style="color:#bb8900;">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</sup> 06:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
{{[[Template:editprotected|editprotected]]}} Please replace <code>class="tright"</code> with <code><nowiki>class="{{#ifeq:{{{left|no}}}|yes|tleft|tright}}"</nowiki></code> to implement the above. Thanks. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]] 21:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Nihiltres just beat me to it... --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 23:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::(shiny green tickmark out of habit) [[Image:Yes check.svg|{{{1|20}}}px]]
::Aha, and I thought I was having internet problems, too. [[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#275CA9;">Nihiltres</span>]]<sup>'''('''<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#000;">t</span>]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=Nihiltres <span style="color: #000">l</span>]</span>''')'''</sup> 02:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:::A "See also" section containing only a portal link still looks wierd and ugly. It would be better to simply place it at the bottom of the last "real" (content) section of the article. That would make it share a line with the next section title. [[User:Gerbrant|Shinobu]] 13:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
== Size shrank ==

What has happened to the template, now the box is really tight on the text and it looks all cramped. [[User:Chris_huh|<span style="font-family: Old English Text MT; color:darkblue; font-size:large">C</span>]][[User:Chris_huh|<span style="color: darkblue; font-size:small" >hris_huh</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Chris_huh|<span style="color: orange; font-size:x-small">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
== Interwiki link for Interlingua ==

Dear administrator, please add the following interwiki link:
 <nowiki>[[ia:Patrono:Portal]]</nowiki>
Thank you in advance, [[User:Julian Mendez|Julian]] 09:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:{{tick}} '''Done''' &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 20:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
== Extra closing div ==

Please could the extra closing div tag (<nowiki></div></nowiki>) be removed. This will cause a problem if the template is used inside a div tag. I believe it is the second one before the noinclude. Thanks, [[User:Mattbr30|mattbr<sup>30</sup>]] 22:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm. I can't figure out any legitimate reason for the fourth closing div to be there, so yeah, removed. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 22:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
== Wasted white space ==

{{tl|editprotected}}
The way the template is arranged now, there is quite a bit of wasted space above and below the text within the template&mdash;in fact, there's enough room for a another whole line of text.  To make the template more compact, could there be an option to use a line break to put the first word above the word "Portal"?  This would allow for a box that is a bit narrower.  --[[User:Brandon Dilbeck|Brandon Dilbeck]] 19:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
:Is the width a problem somewhere?<s>There's not an easy way to put a line break in the middle of a link using wiki syntax, as far as I have ever seen. </s> [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 23:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
::[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] '''Done'''. I added a {{mono|break}} parameter that must equal "yes" to activate. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't know what I was thinking earlier. Thanks for taking care of that. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 00:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
== Alt text ==

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Please remove <code><nowiki>|Portal:{{{name|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}</nowiki></code> from this template. This will improve the user experience for screen readers and text-only browsers by removing useless alt text. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 23:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] '''Done'''. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 03:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 04:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
== How to link to multiple portals? ==

I note [[Template:WikiProject Jainism]] has a link to the religion portal, but not to the Jainism portal; I have no idea why. Is there any way to change the portal parameter so that it links to two portals instead of just one, and, if so, how would I do that? [[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] 16:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
== Vertical whitespace above template ==

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There is currently a small of whitespace above the template which means it appears slightly further below the header when positioned at the top of a section. Could this possibly removed? [[User:MinuteElectron|MinuteElectron]] 18:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:The space is just a .5em margin; there's no extra newlines in the template code. Is there danger of this hitting other boxes if the margin is removed? &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 19:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::I've disabled this editprotected request. The box has been set like this for too long to suddenly undergo a change that would undoubtedly screw up certain pages. Further research and study is needed before this change can be made. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 18:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
== Centering ==

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There should probably be a parameter to center the template.  For example, I'm trying to use it in our WikiProject Sidebar -- [[Template:WPMT Sidebar]] -- and am having all sorts of issues.  Any help would be appreciated.  &mdash; &nbsp;[[User:MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #6633FF;">Music</span>]][[User Talk:MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #3366FF;">Maker</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #9966FF;">5376</span>]] 21:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:This template is designed for use at the bottom of articles floating to the left or right and is not designed to be put in sidebars. You might want to consider having a direct link to the portal, rather than use this template. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 23:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::Is there a specific reason why it can't also be centered?  I understand that it's mainly for those uses, but I don't think we're forbidden from using things a little differently from how they were designed.  This template is practically the "logo" for portals.  Why can't it be centered?  &mdash; &nbsp;[[User:MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #6633FF;">Music</span>]][[User Talk:MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #3366FF;">Maker</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #9966FF;">5376</span>]] 05:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
:::There's nothing wrong with using the templates for the wrong purposes, but the problem is that they may later on be changed and break the uses that are incorrect. I've changed the sidebar you mentioned to have the divs and tables hardcoded in to try to solve this. If you would still like a centered option, please make sure you know exactly what code to use and make sure you have tested it in a sandbox before using {{tl|editprotected}}. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 16:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
== "Size" field ==

Given that there is a hard-coded height value of 28px for the image size, I question whether there is any point to having a "size" field except to make it smaller (which, given how small it already is, again makes little sense).  Suggest either removing this field entirely so that default size is 32x28px max, or adding an additional height parameter so things can be more easily tailored.  -- [[User:Huntster|<span style="font-size:13px; font-variant:small-caps; text-decoration:none;">Huntster</span>]] <sup style="font-size:9px;">[[User_talk:Huntster|T]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|C]]</sup> 03:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
== Automatically look for a picture ==

Use the "name" parameter, to automatically look for the image as "Portal name.svg".
Example, <nowiki>[[Image:Portal $1.svg]]</nowiki>. So if you specified <nowiki>{{Portal|History}}</nowiki> it would automatically look if a file called "Portal History.svg" existed and use that. -- [[User:Frap|Frap]] ([[User talk:Frap|talk]]) 23:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
: The image for each portal can also be listed in the template code like this:
<pre>
[[Image:{{{image|{{{2| {{#switch: {{{name|{{{1|}}}}}}
|Free Software=Free Software Portal Logo.svg
|Video games=Gamepad.svg
|Portal.svg 
}}}}}}}}]]
</pre>
: This could be put in a subpage such as [[Template:Portal/Logos]] and transcluded in the main template.--[[User:DStoykov|DStoykov]] ([[User talk:DStoykov|talk]]) 23:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

== instructions? ==

It's a lovely little template but.. what do all those variables ''do''? What inputs do they accept? What ''is'' a break? [[User:Nanonic|Nanonic]] ([[User talk:Nanonic|talk]]) 04:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. Because the template is protected, it's not even possible to open the template in edit mode to see what the code does. Instructions are defenitely needed. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 10:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::The "<span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal&action=edit view source]</span>" link that replaces "edit" on protected pages like this one seems to work fine here. You can't edit the edit box on that page if you're not an admin, but you can still look at the code and even copy-paste it elsewhere. Or does the button not show up on some different skin? [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 12:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, that's strange. It doesn't show up when I look using my server (Win2k3 with MSIE) and it didn't show up on this PC (WinXP with MSIE) before (I pulled the cached page from my firewall to confirm) but it is showing on this PC now so I guess there are times it doesn't show up. Still, that doesn't help people who can't understand the code, which I guess would be most editors. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 12:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Unless someone beats me to it, I'll dissect the code and work up some documentation when I have some extra time...something I've been meaning to do for a while. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 13:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thanks - just had to work out what break did by trial and error. Cheers -- John <span class="plainlinks" style="font-family: Verdana; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 11px; text-align: center;">([[User:Daytona2|Daytona2]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[User talk:Daytona2|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[Special:Contributions/Daytona2|Contribs]])</span> 21:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Fixed Width ==

I think this template would look alot nicer and more stackable if it had a fixed width, because on some pages where there a multipul portal templates some a longer and some are shorter. [[User:Peachey88|Peachey88]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Peachey88|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/Peachey88|Contribs]])</sup> 02:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

== Insufficient space between last letter of "Portal" and border ==

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The letter "l" of the italicised word "Portal" touches and in some cases breaches the right-hand border using some fonts. Can someone please pad the template a little better?
:{{done}} The number of nbsp is obviously flexible, but I expect one should fix the problem. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 17:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::Muchas gracias. [[User talk:Skomorokh|<span style="font-family:Garamond; color:black;">Skomorokh</span>]] 18:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

== Restructured ==

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I modified the existing template and made little improvements. The source code can be found at [[User:Edene/Sandboxes/05]].
There are not much differences other than:
* shorter code? useless div wrappers around the image are gone
* when ''size'' is specified and the icon is not increased due to the height limitation, no gap appears
* better padding for text (the space between Spaceflight and the border)
* reduced space between lines
* when ''align=left'', margin-left will be 0 and margin-right will be 0.5em.
Also, I often find italicized texts hard to read. It would be nice to simply bold, but I'm not sure if I can be bold on this matter. Thank you! <span style="background:#CDF;width:4em;font:.9em;text-align:center;">[[User:Edene|<span style="color:#086;width:100%;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 4px">eDenE</span>]]</span> 20:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:All '''[[Special:Random|bold]]''' links are hard to read. I don't see anything wrong with the italicized ones, other than that they are bold links. [[Special:Contributions/199.125.109.64|199.125.109.64]] ([[User talk:199.125.109.64|talk]]) 20:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::{{done}} You just recached a million pages {{mono|:D}}.  Nice work... excellent code! [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 21:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks :D <span style="background:#CDF;width:4em;font:.9em;text-align:center;">[[User:Edene|<span style="color:#086;width:100%;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 4px">eDenE</span>]]</span> 19:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shouldn't "portal" be lower case? ==

Per [[WP:MOS]], shouldn't the word "portal" be lower case, so that the template will read, say, "Visual arts portal" - it looks a bit odd to have "Visual arts Portal". [[Special:Contributions/144.92.234.38|144.92.234.38]] ([[User talk:144.92.234.38|talk]]) 18:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:I rather agree with this idea, though given the vast number of articles it is used on, I'd prefer additional comments before making such a change. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 03:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:: I think I'd agree. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 13:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::{{done}} [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 20:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

== Overlap? ==

[[SMPTE color bars]] is an example of an article with this template. I THINK that this template is the cause of the issue in which the text runs behind/under the first image on the right. This should not occur. Any thoughts or fixes available? [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 02:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:The template is probably pulling a float command from somewhere, causing this. I've been trying to locate exactly what "class=tright portal" does, but cannot locate this in any of the site CSS files...odd.  In any case, I've relocated the template on the article mentioned to the "See also" section, where it is intended to be in articles. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 03:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Edit request (make margins optional) ==

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Hi. For the sake of this template's use in e.g. {{tl|template category}}, could the "0.5em 0.5em 0.5em 0"/"0.5em 0 0.5em 0.5em" margin settings be made optional, please? For instance, something like:
<pre style="font-size:95%; overflow:auto;">
...margin:{{#if:{{{margins|}}} |{{{margins}}} |{{#ifeq:{{{left|}}}|yes |0.5em 0.5em 0.5em 0 |0.5em 0 0.5em 0.5em}} }}...
</pre>
The new parameter ''margins'' could then be set to "none" (or a custom string of settings other than the "0.5em...0.5em" options). [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 13:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 20:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:* Thanks. I see it works when ''margin'' is set to 0 (zero). [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 10:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Add a category ==

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Could the following category made a replacement for ''Wikipedia Portal templates'' of which it is a subCategory OR at least be added to this template:
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<noinclude>
 [[Category:Wikipedia Portal navflags|{{PAGENAME}}]]
</noinclude>
</pre>
--[[User:Carlaude|Carlaude]] ([[User talk:Carlaude|talk]]) 20:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP -->.  For the record, cats are added to the documentation page, so you could've done it yourself.  Cheers.  --[[User:Lifebaka|<i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i>]] <small>([[User talk:Lifebaka|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Lifebaka|Contribs]])</small> 21:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Location ==

The template page curently lists at the location section: "Within articles, this template is meant to be placed at the bottom of the article in the "See also" section.". [[Wikipedia:Portal]] however has been been changed to state that portal links should ''not'' go in article pages, but at the top of talk pages (preferable in Wikiproject boxes, like many Wikiprojects already do). A (for the moment) short discussion about this can be found at [[Wikipedia talk:Portal#Portal links in articles]]. If there is no opposition or consensus is that this is a good change, I'll also change this template to bring it inline with the portal guideline. I would prefer to have discussion of this change at the [[Wikipedia:Portal]] page, since that one is the guideline, and this template is only the application of it. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 09:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
== Printable ==

Since this template is a self-reference to Wikipedia, should it be removed from printable versions, including PDFs and books? --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray;">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Gadget850|<sup style="color:darkblue;">talk</sup>]]</b> - </i> 21:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:Listed at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Portal tags: should they be nonprintable]] for a wider view. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray;">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Gadget850|<sup style="color:darkblue;">talk</sup>]]</b> - </i> 13:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

::Now sandboxed with testcases. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray;">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Gadget850|<sup style="color:darkblue;">talk</sup>]]</b> - </i> 11:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
{{done}} --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray;">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Gadget850|<sup style="color:darkblue;">talk</sup>]]</b> - </i> 23:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian "Template:Portale" ==

In my opinion italian version on "Template:Portal" ([[it:Template:Portale]]) works better of this, in the sense that a lot of italian portals are more visited that english ones (e.g. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200904/Portal%3ADinosaurs] and [http://stats.grok.se/it/200904/Portale%3ADinosauri]), in despite that english wikipedia have more visitors. So I propose to make english version similar to italian one. Moreover, in italian wikipedia we use bots ("automated users") to insert "Template:Portale" in each page of wikipedia with the script [http://botwiki.sno.cc/wiki/Python:Portale.py]: it improve the portals visibility. --[[User:Aushulz|Aushulz]] ([[User talk:Aushulz|talk]]) 15:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
== Change Template:Portal to float not block text ==

The [[Template:Portal]] should be changed to use "float:right" so that it will float alongside a long infobox or right-side image, and allow text to word-wrap beside the portal-box. Formerly, unless a user knew the left-side option, a portal-box below an infobox (or right-side image) would block text-wrapping to stay below the infobox (or image), causing a large text-gap on a page.
{| class=infobox
| '''Infobox'''
<br>Line 1<br>Line 2<br>L3<br>L4<br>L5<br>L6<br>L7<br>L8 <br>L9<br>L10
|-
| Line 11<br>Line 12<br>L13<br>L14<br>L15<br>L16<br>L17<br>L18 <br>L19<br>L20
|}
[[Image:Mona Lisa, by Leonardo da Vinci, from C2RMF retouched.jpg|thumb|right|60px|Test]]
{| class=wikitable
| width=420px|
A '''wikitable''' here, as a typical left-side table. The overlap on left-side tables had been a frequent problem with allowing other boxes to "float:right" on a page. So this is a test of how well a floating portal-box would avoid overlapping onto a left-side table.
|}
{{Portal/sandbox|sandbox}}
{{Portal}}

The sandbox version (''box at right'') demonstrates the "float:right" setting, so that using {Portal/sandbox} can float the box alongside an infobox, even if template {Portal} (''below'') gets stuck below the infobox (or below a right-side image). This has been a common problem in many such bottom-boxes in Wikipedia articles, such as with {{tl|Commons_category}}, which can also block text from auto-filling beside the box.

Implementation can be done by using a quick outer table, which uses the CSS style="float:right". Tables have 3 types of horizontal alignment: align=right, "float:right" or "clear:right" (which clears all wrapping back to the far-right margin of a page). However, the use of "float:right" has been avoided (with large boxes or tables) because of the danger of overlapping large left/right tables and images on narrow windows.

Use of "float:right" depends on the floated box being small enough to fit without overlapping and eclipsing other boxes, such as the wikitable example, above.
{{clear}}
When a portal-box gets stuck down below an infobox, the separation creates a large, glaring text-gap which could give the impression that Wikipedia cannot properly typeset and format a page in a professional style. It is important to avoid glaring problems on a page, so as to make editing of articles as easy as possible. We don't want our users, who add infoboxes to numerous short articles, to freak and worry with frustration because a portal-box is stuck at the bottom of a page, and forcing a large text-gap above the box. Instead, a portal-box should, automatically, float where it would be expected to be formally typeset.

In the rare event, when an automatically floated portal-box might overlap a left-side table, then users can append Portal option "left=yes" unless that causes other formatting problems (which almost always happens with left-side placement of such small boxes) at the end of an article. '''''Risk:''''' I think there is almost zero risk, as floating a small box would be unlikely to cause more problems. 

'''''IMPACT:''''' Problems with a righthand portal-box are fairly common, due to 2 major types of articles: (1) stubs with a tall infobox or right-side images (stacked higher than the left-side text), or (2) numerous large illustrated articles where bottom stacked images push, too much, into the See-also or External-links section (causing a text-gap in those sections). Expect numerous articles to improve when auto-floating the portal-boxes. It will become an instant improvement, as would be expected from the basic concept of a box floating-right.

'''''Analyzing a major article:''''' A major example was article ''"[[Aircraft]]"'' (as a large article), with photos stacked at the bottom, where {Portal|Aviation} blocked the fill/wrap of text to cause a text-gap under the "See-also" header. When the portal-box was moved "left=yes" (just as bad) then the lefthand box caused awkward wrapping of see-also bullet lines (left-side images or boxes will look crowded in a see-also section). The following shows the left-side result:
{{Portal|left=yes}}
* see-also line 1
* see-also line 2
* see-also line 3
Hence, neither option "right" nor "left" looked professional, and an automatic "float:right" would have been ideal (and automatic). However, lacking the float feature, the {Portal|Aviation} was moved to several different lines, in the see-also list, until it no longer interfered with other text. NOTE: Typesetting of the portal-box was much harder than shifting the photo images left/right in the uppper text of the article ''"[[Aircraft]]"''. Not only was the portal-box an alignment problem, but also, it was a difficult box to typeset cleanly on the page. Hence, the portal-box had been abandoned (in default position) to cause the text-gap. Well, after years of studying article formats, the best option remains to use "float:right" for a portal-box, to automatically overcome right (or left) alignment issues. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 15:00, 23 Nov., revised 01:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
* PROBLEM: I see, now, that auto-floating boxes will float to each other, causing a loss of margin control. They will all float across the page, to push the text even lower:
{{Commonscat|xxx}}
<table style="float:right"><tr><td>{{Portal}}</table>
<table style="float:right"><tr><td>{{Portal}}</table>
: Hence, the option to float, for each link-box, must be chosen within each article, where multiple link-boxes might be displayed; otherwise, the floating link-boxes would fill the width of the page. Instead, a stack of linkboxes could be floated, as a stack, by using a special float-template in some articles. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 09:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
* Below, in topic ''[[#Floatbox can float portal boxes]]'', there is an example for when a stack of linkboxes should be floated. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 20:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Floatbox can float portal boxes ==

Because auto-floating of portal boxes could cause a loss of margin control, the new [[Template:Floatbox]] can be used, as needed in some articles, when floating a portal box would look better alongside an infobox (or right-side image).
{| class=infobox
| '''Infobox'''
<br>Line 1<br>Line 2<br>Line 3<br>Line 4<br>L5<br>L6<br>L7<br>L8 <br>L9
|}
[[Image:Mona Lisa, by Leonardo da Vinci, from C2RMF retouched.jpg|thumb|right|60px|Test]]
{| class=wikitable
| width=420px|
A '''wikitable''' here, as a typical left-side table. The overlap on left-side tables had been a frequent problem with allowing other boxes to "float:right" on a page. So this is a test of how well a floating portal-box would avoid overlapping onto a left-side table.
|}
{{Floatbox |{{Portal|Animals}}{{Portal|Cats}}}}
The example here uses {Floatbox} to float 2 portal boxes (for Animals & Cats), as follows:
:* <nowiki>{{Floatbox |{{Portal|Animals}}{{Portal|Cats}}}}
</nowiki>
The 2 portal-boxes are stacked together, and floated together as a stack, by both being listed in parameter 1 to {Floatbox}. Although the 2 portal-boxes were specified ''below'' the [[Mona Lisa]] image, because the infobox+image were also stacked together, then the {Floatbox} moved the 2 portal-boxes, even higher, alongside the infobox.<br>Normally, a portal-box would be stuck below the Mona Lisa image, causing this entire text section to format further below, and causing a large text-gap of empty whitespace to appear near the infobox. There is no limit to the number of portalboxes (or Commonscat boxes) which can be listed within a {Floatbox} call, such as in a stub or an article with many stacked images near the bottom. Using {Floatbox} is extremely efficient, due to being a short template which uses builtin tag &lt;table> to float the boxes. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 20:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Portal box disfigures the References section ==

Our [[Autism]] article, and I'm sure several others, has a See also section containing only a {{tl|Portal}} box. I initially started a topic about this [[Talk:Autism#New portal-inline template|here]] on [[Talk:Autism]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Autism&diff=398499812&oldid=397222738]

Now, here is the problem:

*In FF and GC, {{tl|Portal}} disfigures the Ref section when placed in it or directly above it.[http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/project-inline_1.png][http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/portal-box_placement_GC.png] In IE, this does not happen.[http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/portal-box_placement_IE.png]
*A possible solution for this is to place a {{tl|clear}} underneath the Portal box.[http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/project-inline_2.png] This makes the See also even more empty though.
*Another solution is to align the box to the left.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Autism&diff=398628789#See_also] Looks nice, but a bit strange.
*I suggested the use of a portal-inline template a la {{tl|wiktionary-inline}}. A sketch: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Portal-inline][http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/project-inline_3.png]. But this feels a bit peculiar, as (unordered) lists in See alsos are usually only used for links to articles.
*One editor claimed that when a See also contains no links to articles, the portal box should go into the next section.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Autism&diff=398658339] Neither [[WP:LAYOUT]] nor any other MOS seem to state this, but I could be mistaken. In any case, this does not solve the problem.
*Then, I noticed another user pointing out that Portal boxes are left out in printable versions (see [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (layout)/Archive 5#Portal_template_as_.2Aonly.2A_entry_in_.22See_also.22_section|here]]). If a section would contain only a portal box, this would look kinda odd on paper. To me, this is the definitive argument to justify a change in the Portal box code. (I should note that being printed is [[Wikipedia:Books|one of the possible applications]] of WP's content)

My conclusion: we should make {{tl|Portal}} look good in all browsers, not just IE. Again, see these situations: [http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/project-inline_1.png][http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/portal-box_placement_IE.png][http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Facezz/WP/portal-box_placement_GC.png].

Next problem: how do we do this? Cheers, <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Face|theFace]]</span> 20:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

:Just a note: As you have said what i do to solve the overlap  problems.  I have been adding <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> if the portal intrudes into the references (since those of us that use advanced browsers still see the 3 lines for refs - i.e not EI). I have also used  ''':'''<nowiki>{{Portal|History of Canada}}</nowiki> option when its the only thing in the section.
:{{Portal|History of Canada}}
{{portal|Canada}}
{{-}}
Text and/or references  after  <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> and/or  <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> will prevent the  overlap. [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 21:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
== Template Portal image (locked) ==

Was wondering y so many Portal image templates are locked? Are we expecting our readers to ask them to be fix (if an old image was deleted or is a better image is now available) here on this talk page? I would guess that not many people actually have the template image on there watchlist. I raise this concerns after asking for an image update on a  template talk page (no one ever got back to me) and the fact i had to ask an admin to fix one were an image was deleted leaving the template page useless. [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 22:00, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:If you want to change a protected page, use the {{tlx|editprotected}} template (after you gain consensus, if that's necessary, but that doesn't seem to be the case here). That way, admins can easily notice it. The image pages are protected, because they are transcluded to a lot of pages and a vandal could cause quite a lot of damage. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 20:39, 8 
::OK thats easy - i see this at [[Template:Edit protected#General considerations]]. Question though how or who determines which temple images get locked. Because it seem random. Or is it because people are not aware of all of them (as in they all should be locked just not all done yet)? Should i make a list of ones that need to be locked still?[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 22:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:::The images I've looked at are protected using [[Template:Portal/Image lockboxes/Names]] (see [[WP:CASCADING]] if want to know more about how it works), which lists the images that were used the most at one point in time. If you want to protect or unprotect some images, you could contact [[User:Rich Farmbrough]] who created the list or post a request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 23:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Portal bar vs. floating box ==

Although the current template has its uses, I generally prefer the French version of this template: [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Portail Modèle:Portail]

I particularly like the first example, which puts all the portals in a box that spans the width of the article.  It is used at the end of the article, right before the categories are listed.  For example, see the bottom of [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parc_national_de_Marojejy Parc national de Marojejy].  Would it be possible to replicate this template on enWiki? –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 01:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
: Interesting.  It does fix some of the bunching issues.  The French Wikipedia solves the edit-link bunching problem (i.e., {{tl|FixBunching}} and {{tl|stack}}), by pushing the "[modifier]" link closer to the section heading, which solves quite a few problems.  I don't really have a strong opinion on the portal presentation, but changing the format of this template would be a very large undertaking.  It would require moving this box to the end of all articles.  Many articles put the portal links up next to the infobox, for example.  To make such a change would basically require forking this template and creating a "portal bar" template. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 07:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
::I thought the bunching problem [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Header lines|has already been solved]]. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 23:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:::You don't necessarily have to "fix" this template.  I'd suggest just creating a new one so that people can gradually move over.  Also, I'd love to see a similar template for listing books.  I feel all categories, portals, and books should all be listed the same way in approximately the same place.  I'd make these two templates if I understood how they work, but as simple as they sound, I keep getting lost in the code. –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 00:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Hell... while I'm mentioning it, it might be wise to even consider making yet another template to display all interWikis, such as {{tl|Commons}}, {{tl|Wikispecies}}, etc. into one organized box at the bottom.  Hmmm... I'm guessing this should be posted at [[WP:VP/PR|village pump (proposals)]].  Anyone agree? –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 00:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Something like {{tlx|Sister project links}}? But that's quite off-topic here. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 16:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
{{outdent|:::::}}I went ahead and tossed up a proposal at the village pump.  You can read it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Strips_to_replace_floating_boxes_for_portals.2C_books.2C_and_sister_projects here]. –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 00:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Is anyone willing to take this on?  I'd do it, but I'm not sure if I understand the code. –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 15:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I have created sample templates for this, as well as a more general "subject bar".  I have posted this at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Strips to replace floating boxes for portals, books, and sister projects|the village pump]].  I would appreciate any feedback there. –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 19:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
== What am I doing wrong? ==

{{portal|Washington Roads}}I setup [[Template:Portal/Images/Washington Roads]] but when I put in my portal box the image does not work. --<span style="background:#DD7500; padding:2px">'''[[User:Admrboltz|<span style="color:black;">Admr</span>]][[User talk:Admrboltz|<span style="color:black;">Boltz</span>]]'''</span> 15:43, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

::Fixed ---cant have the second word with a cap. [[Template:Portal/Images/Washington roads]] .[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 16:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Ahh, cool. Thanks :) --<span style="background:#DD7500; padding:2px">'''[[User:Admrboltz|<span style="color:black;">Admr</span>]][[User talk:Admrboltz|<span style="color:black;">Boltz</span>]]'''</span> 16:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Could some.... ==

{{tlx|editrequest}}
Could someone pls protect [[Template:Portal/Images/Justin bieber]] .[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 23:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
:{{added}} to [[Template:Portal/Image lockboxes/Names]]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
== What am I doing wrong? ==

{{portal|British Empire|military history|Royal Navy|Singapore}}
For [[Singapore strategy]] I wanted a ref to five portals (right) but no matter which way I order them, the fourth is always missing. [[User:Hawkeye7|Hawkeye7]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye7|talk]]) 05:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
{{portal box|British Empire|military history|Royal Navy|Singapore}}
:{{done}} - used {{tl|portal box}}.....[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 05:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Edit request from 79.180.199.137, 29 August 2011 ==

{{edit protected|answered=yes}}
<!-- Begin request -->
The translation in Hebrew is incorrect, Gerda is female, not male as translated. someone needs to edit the translation.

<!-- End request -->
[[Special:Contributions/79.180.199.137|79.180.199.137]] ([[User talk:79.180.199.137|talk]]) 21:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:I don't know what page you are referring to, but I'm pretty sure it's not this template. Gerda is indeed a female name in Dutch and I suppose German, though. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] ([[User talk:Ucucha|talk]]) 03:37, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
== Subject bar template ==

The new combined template is now completely coded.  It is a solid bar intended for the end of the article, just after "External Links."  It supports portals, books, and interWikis.  I have put in the main space at {{tl|Subject bar}} for testing and comments.   I also made a post about it at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (layout)#Seeking feedback: subject bar template|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (layout)]].  There is a sandbox version for more major edits.  Everyone is encouraged to stop by there to learn more and make comments. –&nbsp;'''[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]»''' 15:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

:Pretty job !
:
:--[[User:Nnemo|Nnemo]] ([[User talk:Nnemo|talk]]) 19:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

== Fix request — Show the fourth portal ==

Hello,

The [[Template:Portal]] is broken.

I have written four portals :

<code><nowiki>{{Portal|Geography|Spaceflight|Russia|Soviet Union}}</nowiki></code>

But I see only three portals. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=GLONASS&oldid=454108850#See_also here].

Please fix this template.

Thanks,

--[[User:Nnemo|Nnemo]] ([[User talk:Nnemo|talk]]) 19:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

:{{done}} It's now fixed. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 17:54, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
== Edit request ==

PNG → SVG [[Template:Portal/Images/Greater_manchester]] to [[:File:England Greater Manchester numbered.svg]] -- <small style='white-space:nowrap'> -- [[User:perhelion|<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#cc6699; font-size:1.2em; text-shadow:#000 0 0 1px">''πϵρ''ήλιο</span>]] [[user talk:perhelion|<big>℗</big>]]</small> 16:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

:{{done}} -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 18:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

== Merging a couple Portal related templates ==

There is currently a discussion [[Template talk:Portal box|here]] about merging the templates for {{tl|Portal}}, {{tl|Portal box}} and potentially a couple others into {{tl|Portal}} so we can just use one standard Portal template for all or most portal related actions. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 21:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:'''Update''' Conversation have moved to the next level ...  pls see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Portal box]].[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 05:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
== Post merger notes ==

I have completed the merger of {{tl|portal box}} with {{tl|portal}}.  The old code for {{tld|portal}} would call {{tld|portal box}} when there was more than one portal in the box.  This code also worked for a single portal, so I merged the code by using the code from {{tld|portal box}} but the name {{tld|portal}}.  The reason for sticking with the name {{tld|portal}} was that this template had more transclusions, and is more concise.  One outcome of the change is that the old {{tld|portal}} code would set the image size to 'x28px' if there was only one portal in the box, and '32x28px' if there was more than one portal in the box.  However, the 'portal box' code would always use '32x28px'.  Hence, after the merger, we now have a single image size in all cases, namely '32x28px'.  This won't be noticed for most portals, but if the portal image is very wide, like the one for {{tld|portal|BBC}}, then the box will appear to be much smaller now.  I, or someone else, can restore the old functionality by passing a parameter to the first call to {{tl|portal/core}} which would tell it if there is only one portal in the box.  As far as I know, this would only effect portals with wide images, which I don't think is as common as more square aspect ratios.  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 14:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

:It's also because of the "font-size:85%;" that was in the style of "Portal box" but wasn't in the style of "Portal".  I thought the size difference in font alone is negligible -- it doesn't really make a difference.  How about just setting the image size to x28px?  This would seem to fix the BBC Project portal problem and other images would similarly just sort themselves out.  Adding extra parameters to check for the presence of more than one portal wouldn't make a difference for articles like [[BBC Radio 1]] (whose portal box only links to the BBC Project), and it would add extra overhead to the server when the portal template is called. [[User:Banaticus|Banaticus]] ([[User talk:Banaticus|talk]]) 04:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Obsolete parameters ==

The template currently sticks {{tl|portal box}}es which use things like <code>height</code>, <code>margin</code> and so on into {{cl|portal box templates using obsolete parameters}}. Is this really necessary? There are >10k affected transclusions, so it's unlikely these are going to get "fixed" by removing them by casual readers, especially when there's zero impact. Can we just silently drop these? If it comes down to it they can be AWBed away in future. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 09:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:I made a change to {{tl|Maths rating}} and the list is a lot shorter now. Doesn't seem worth "fixing" the break & left params though. So if those two were not tracked, there would only be about 30 items left to look at. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 19:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

::It would be nice to get a bot to tidy up all templates in content and project namespace and then delete the category. It was always intended to be a temporary category anyway. Tidying up unneeded parameters that have no visible effect may be a bit anal but it may make avoid head-scratching during future edits. -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 21:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

:::{{done}} Have cleaned up the pages that needed it. Will put the category up for deletion. -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 23:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
== Add code so that templates without a parameter are added to a maintenance category ==

{{edit protected|answered=yes}}
Sometimes the template is added without a parameter. It will then show as a very small empty square. Can we have code added so that it sticks them in a [[:Category:Portal templates without a parameter]]? -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 21:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

: Unless this is commonplace, I'd rather just {{tl|error}} on not having a <code><nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki></code>, which would give immediate feedback. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 09:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

::I am no expert on template coding but that seems like a good idea. Before it is enabled all of the current problematic ones should be fixed. -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 20:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

:::I've added the tracking cat. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

::::Great! There are no entries in the cat yet. Will it take a while to populate? -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 21:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

There are only about 100 pages that have popped up in the tracking category. It seems that the lack of a parameter is not commonplace so can we do the {{tl|error}} thing on it? -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 06:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

: {{done}}: the tracking category is still there, as these need fixed, but hopefully once it's emptied it can be removed. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 08:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

::Great, but I wasn't expecting the change to be made so quickly!! I am in the process of fixing the contents of the tracking category. -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 09:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)