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== Name ==
This template should be called "R from alternative spelling", for two reasons: 1) It's [[alternate|incorrect grammar]] 2) It's confusing - some redirect templates use alternative, others use alternate. [[User:Gracefool|··gracefool]] |[[User talk:gracefool|&#9786;]] 07:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*This template was listed on [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion|templates for deletion]], but there was no consensus to delete. See the [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log|log]]. ([[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/August_2005#Template:R_from_alternate_name_and_others|archive entry]]) [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 01:01, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

==This template is deprecated==
Templates within redirects are officially deprecated for technical reasons; see [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect#Content of redirects: templates.2C categories.2C multiple lines|here]]. Categories for redirects should still be OK. [[User:Wmahan|Wmahan]][[User talk:Wmahan|.]] 05:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

:To save anybody who stumbles on the above remark some time: Wmahan is referring to [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect/Archive 2#Content of redirects: templates, categories, multiple lines]]. However, all these template are still listed on [[Wikipedia:Redirect]] and being used, so I'm not sure whether they're deprecated or not. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 21:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::So what replaces it? [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 13:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Two points:
*The procedure is, if one wants to include new redirects, they should first be created and ''only then'' they are added to the documentation page.  Otherwise, they will show as {{red|'''red links'''}} and may confuse other contributors.
*There are good reasons to show ''all'' existing redirects in the '''Redirects''' section.  They are then available for use by anyone who may want to use them.  Also, if an administrator does not want so many redirects and wants to delete some of them, they have a list to use for that work. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:x-small; color:darkblue;">P<small>AINE</small> E<small>LLSWORTH</small></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">'''''C<small>LIMAX</small>!'''''</sup>]] 22:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

== embed=yes? ==

This template accepts a {{para|embed|yes}} parameter, but its use is not explained on the documentation. What exactly is it for, does anyone know? —[[User:capmo|capmo]] ([[User talk:capmo|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

:That parameter is found in all the [[WP:RCAT|rcat]]s and helps the templates identify whether they are used in the {{tl|This is a redirect}} template or are applied individually.  Hope this helps! –&nbsp;''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b>]]''&nbsp; 02:42, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

::I think I got it, thanks! Also found a brief explanation at {{tl|Redirect template}}. —[[User:capmo|capmo]] ([[User talk:capmo|talk]]) 05:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

== Don't encourage updating pages that link to an alternative spelling redirect ==

The message box for the template states: "Pages that link to this redirect may be updated to link directly to the target page."

This sounds like ''encouraging'' editors to "update" such links, as if there is something wrong with them, like they haven't been fixed yet. But there may be good reasons to prefer an alternative spelling in the context of the link, as for the spelling of words in general (see e.g. [[WP:TIES]]), so I think [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] should prevail and such "updates" should in fact be discouraged unless there is a strong reason to prefer the spelling of the target page. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 23:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

:On the fence about this because of the "may" usage rather than "Pages that link to this redirect should (or must) be updated...".  How would you reword it to improve it, [[User:Lambiam|Lambiam]]? –&nbsp;''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b>]]''&nbsp; 07:12, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

::Something like this:
::{{mbox |type=notice |image=none |style=background-color:white;margin-bottom:0.6em; |text=...  &nbsp; Pages that link to this redirect may be updated to link directly to the target page if that results in an improvement of the text.  But [[WP:NOTBROKEN|do not "fix" links to this redirect that are not broken]].  [[MOS:NOPIPE|There is also no need to replace these redirected links with piped links]].  For more information follow the category link.}}
::&nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 09:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
:::{{done}} –&nbsp;''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b>]]''&nbsp; 16:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

== R from incorrect spacing ==

Template {{tlx|R from incorrect spacing}} redirects to this template. I think it should redirect to {{tlx|R from misspelling}} (whence {{tlx|R from incorrect spelling}} redirects), not "alternative" spelling. For example, I've just categorised {{-r|Wal mart}} as incorrect spacing, and it is definitely ''incorrect'' and not an ''alternative'' for [[Walmart]], the target. [[Special:Contributions/188.143.76.147|188.143.76.147]] ([[User talk:188.143.76.147|talk]]) 20:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

== Redirects to sort to [[:Category:Template redirects with possibilities]] ==

Should the redirects such as {{tlx|R from alternative hyphenation}}, mentioned in the documentation as " likely to change in the future", be sorted into  [[:Category:Template redirects with possibilities]]? [[Special:Contributions/92.249.211.146|92.249.211.146]] ([[User talk:92.249.211.146|talk]]) 07:32, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
== "Template:R from modificatoin" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect [[Template:R from modificatoin]]. Please participate in [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 April 5#Template:R from modificatoin|the redirect discussion]] if you wish to do so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]]) 17:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
== "Template:R from missing punctuation" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Template:R from missing punctuation]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 2#Template:R from missing punctuation]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]]) 20:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
== "Template:R from modification." listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Template:R from modification.]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 24#Template:R from modification.]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 19:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
== "Template:R from alternative punctuation" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Template:R from alternative punctuation]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 4#Template:R from alternative punctuation]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 20:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
== "Template:Redirect from UK spelling" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Template:Redirect from UK spelling]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 12#Template:Redirect from UK spelling]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 16:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
== "Template:R ih" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect [[:Template:R ih]] and has thus listed it [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|for discussion]]. This discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 27#Template:R ih]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 23:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

== Creation of redirecting templates ==

{{tl-r|R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{tl-r|R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{tl-r|R from alternative spacing}} all redirect here and this template states that "{{xt|This is likely to change in the future, so please use the more specific template names.}}" Is there any reason this hasn't been done yet? If not, I'll go ahead and create those templates (or make edit requests for their creation) and retarget other redirects to those new templates. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 16:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

:Hi editor {{u|Eejit43}}, and thank you for asking''!'' These have been waiting for a fairly long time, and I think the reason that no action has been taken is that this is a low-priority issue which hasn't been discussed much over the years. Probably a good idea to ping the creators, editors {{u|SMcCandlish}}, {{u|Eugene van der Pijll}} and {{u|Robertgreer|Robert Greer}}. Those last two might be retired from editing. Might consider notifying the [[WT:Redirect]] talk page and the [[WT:WikiProject Redirect|project]] talk page to gather more interested editors. Thanks again''!'' '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'er&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>16:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</small>
::I'll ping SMcCandlish and create a section on [[WT:Redirect]], though I don't anticipate it being controversial enough to warrant getting the attention of a ton of editors (though you never know...). ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 18:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
:::It's something I'd meant to get around to, but just kind of forgot about it. It definitely would be nice to start dividing up the huge "R from alternative spelling" morass into subcategorization that can be analyzed a bit more narrowly. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 19:20, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case I'll start on this soon, thank you for your input! ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 19:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:R from alternative spelling|answered=yes}}

{{tl|R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{tl|R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{tl|R from alternative spacing}} have been created so I'd suggest changing this template to the following. Additionally, I've changed "a different" to "an alternative" to match similar templates.
{{cot}}
<pre>
<noinclude>{{This is a redirect/rcat}}
</noinclude>{{Redirect template
  |id=R from alternative spelling
  |name=From an alternative spelling
  |from=a title with an alternative spelling of {{#if:{{{1|{{{of|}}}}}}|'''{{{1|{{{of|}}}}}}'''|the target name}}
  |info=Pages that link to this redirect may be updated to link directly to the target page ''if that results in an improvement of the text''.  Do not "fix" such links if they are [[WP:NOTBROKEN|not broken]].  Also, these links [[MOS:NOPIPE|should not be replaced]] with [[WP:piped link|piped link]]s.
** There are many {{em|more specific templates}} such as {{tl|R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{tl|R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{tl|R from alternative spacing}}. Also see subcategories of [[:Category:Redirects from modifications]] for other options (capitals, abbreviations, diacritics, plurals, stylizations, transliteration, ligatures, different parts of speech, etc.)
  |all category=Redirects from alternative spellings
}}<noinclude>
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{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>
</pre>

Also see the below diff:

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| class="diff-addedline diff-side-added" | <nowiki>  |name=From </nowiki><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>an</nowiki></ins><nowiki> </nowiki><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>alternative</nowiki></ins><nowiki> spelling</nowiki>
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| class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted" | <nowiki>  |from=a title with </nowiki><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>a</nowiki></del><nowiki> </nowiki><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>different</nowiki></del><nowiki> spelling of {{#if:{{{1|{{{of|}}}}}}|'''{{{1|{{{of|}}}}}}'''|the target name}}</nowiki>
| class="diff-addedline diff-side-added" | <nowiki>  |from=a title with </nowiki><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>an</nowiki></ins><nowiki> </nowiki><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>alternative</nowiki></ins><nowiki> spelling of {{#if:{{{1|{{{of|}}}}}}|'''{{{1|{{{of|}}}}}}'''|the target name}}</nowiki>
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| class="diff-context diff-side-deleted" | <nowiki>  |info=Pages that link to this redirect may be updated to link directly to the target page ''if that results in an improvement of the text''.  Do not "fix" such links if they are [[WP:NOTBROKEN|not broken]].  Also, these links [[MOS:NOPIPE|should not be replaced]] with [[WP:piped link|piped link]]s.</nowiki>
| class="diff-context diff-side-added" | <nowiki>  |info=Pages that link to this redirect may be updated to link directly to the target page ''if that results in an improvement of the text''.  Do not "fix" such links if they are [[WP:NOTBROKEN|not broken]].  Also, these links [[MOS:NOPIPE|should not be replaced]] with [[WP:piped link|piped link]]s.</nowiki>
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| class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted" | <nowiki>** There are many {{em|more specific templates}}. </nowiki><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>See</nowiki></del><nowiki> subcategories of [[:Category:Redirects from modifications]] for other options (capitals, abbreviations, diacritics, plurals, stylizations, transliteration, ligatures, different parts of speech, etc.)</nowiki>
| class="diff-addedline diff-side-added" | <nowiki>** There are many {{em|more specific templates</nowiki><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>}} such as {{tl|R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{tl|R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{tl|R from alternative spacing</nowiki></ins><nowiki>}}. </nowiki><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><nowiki>Also see</nowiki></ins><nowiki> subcategories of [[:Category:Redirects from modifications]] for other options (capitals, abbreviations, diacritics, plurals, stylizations, transliteration, ligatures, different parts of speech, etc.)</nowiki>
|-
| class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted" | <nowiki>** At present, {{tl-r|R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{tl-r|R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{tl-r|R from alternative spacing}} all redirect to this template and feed into the same maintenance category. This is likely to change in the future, so please use the more specific template names.</nowiki>
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~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 02:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
: I've edited the request to change "a different" to "an alternative" ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 02:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

::{{complete2}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'er&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>05:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</small>
:::Thank you so much! The one thing that wasn't changed was the name parameter, was that intentional? ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 13:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

::::Not intentional, just mybad and now fixed. So sorry. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'er&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>16:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</small>
:::::No worries at all, thanks so much!! :) ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 16:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

::::::''Happy to help!''&nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:100%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span>]]'''''&nbsp;&nbsp;<small>16:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</small>

== Template-protected edit request on 15 April 2024 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:R from alternative spelling|answered=yes}}
Please merge the content of [[Template:R from alternative spelling/sandbox]] here (see [[Special:Diff/1219116937/1219118762|the diff]]). This change adds the linking to pages provided in the first parameter through {{tl|no redirect}}, and also has detection for existing links that would break said template. This is practically identical to the [[Special:Permalink/1218988889#Template-protected edit request on 12 April 2024|change made at {{braces|R from modification}}]]. This was tested at the [[Template:R from alternative spelling/testcases|testcases subpage]]. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 14:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)