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==Groups==
A - [[Khoisan]] people, including the [[Bushmen]],  san man - [[Hadzabe]] 

BR -

B - pygmy bayaka

CR -

C - [[Indigenous Australians]]

h - Kalash

== Template with pictures ==

Is this anything wrong ind making a template with pictures of people rated to each haplogroups?

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'''[[Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups|Human Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups]]'''
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| style="text-align:left; font-size:90%" colspan=22 |[[Y-chromosomal Adam|Y-most recent common ancestor]]
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| colspan=7 |<nowiki>|</nowiki>
| colspan=16 |
|-
| colspan=1 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=4 |[[Image:San_tribesman.jpg|50px]]
[[Haplogroup A (Y-DNA)|A]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup BR (Y-DNA)|BR]]
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| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=3 |[[Image:Batwa2.jpg|50px]]
[[Haplogroup B (Y-DNA)|B]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=4 |[[Haplogroup CR (Y-DNA)|CR]]
| colspan=13 |
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| colspan=5 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup C (Y-DNA)|C]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup DE (Y-DNA)|DE]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=6 |[[Haplogroup F (Y-DNA)|F]]
| colspan=9 |
|-
| colspan=6 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup D (Y-DNA)|D]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup E (Y-DNA)|E]]
| colspan=2 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup G (Y-DNA)|G]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup H (Y-DNA)|H]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup IJ (Y-DNA)|IJ]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=4 |[[Haplogroup K (Y-DNA)|K]]
| colspan=5 |
|-
| colspan=12 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup I (Y-DNA)|I]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup J (Y-DNA)|J]]
| colspan=1 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup L (Y-DNA)|L]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup M (Y-DNA)|M]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup NO (Y-DNA)|NO]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup P (Y-DNA)|P]]
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| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup N (Y-DNA)|N]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup O (Y-DNA)|O]]
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| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)|Q]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup R (Y-DNA)|R]]
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*I think that will make the template more difficult to understand. — Reinyday, 16:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, also too biased/stereotyped. Those people pictured may not even be of the haplogroup, so technically they aren't really related subject matter. It would be near impossible to get the type of ethnicity with the most common haplogroup and individual person confirmed of that haplogroup to be pictured; and regardless, phenotypal appearance has no relation to haplogroup. Templates by their very nature shouldn't be picture intensive anyway. [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 09:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Additional proto-macro haplogroupings ==

Since we have BR, CR & CF added to the template, I consider how GR & LR would fit at [[Talk:Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups]]. [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 09:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== <s>IJ now goes under "K"</s> IJ now goes under IJK and alongside K ==

[http://dna-forums.org/index.php?showtopic=5112 Haplogroup IJ is now be found to share two SNPs in common with K] and therefore is under it in the Y-tree. [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk08.html IJK] is apparently under and separate from K. This will make it interesting. [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 17:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::My eyes deceived me for whatever reason; IJK is of course above K & IJ, logically. [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 19:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== <s>Perhaps the template should branch K into just IJK & LT?</s> ==

Then all of L through T could be placed in the LT haplogroup (as is given in the Y-Haplogroup Wikipedia page currently) and IJK could have K* & IJ below it. [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 18:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== latest revision with "lines" coming down from all HGs, not just MRCA. ==

Though I think it is clearer to reference visually now, I don't think it retains the concise template feel of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Y-DNA&oldid=250544263 old version]. Maybe the whole template could be downsized (smaller font, etc.). Any opinions? [[User:Nagelfar|Nagelfar]] ([[User talk:Nagelfar|talk]]) 20:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== In the name of science  ==

In the name of science this tree needs to be connected to the evolutionary phylogenic tree [[User:Erasmus Darwin Fan|Erasmus Darwin Fan]] ([[User talk:Erasmus Darwin Fan|talk]]) 05:00, 11 June 2010 (UTC).
:Not immediately clear what you mean by this? Please explain.--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 08:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Would this be a nicer style? ==

I could expand the tree (and take out some of the detailed branches) like the one I put recently in IJK: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJK#Tree]. Would that not be neater?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 08:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

What I mean is something like this (I'll play a bit here):-
{{Clade
| label1=[[Y chromosomal Adam]]
  | 1={{Clade
    | 1=[[Haplogroup A (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup A]]
    | label2=[[Haplogroup BT (Y-DNA)| Haplogroup BT]]
      | 2={{Clade
        | 1=[[Haplogroup B (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup B]]
        | label2=[[Haplogroup CT (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup CT]]
          | 2={{Clade
            | label1=[[Haplogroup DE (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup DE]]
              | 1={{Clade
                | 1=[[Haplogroup D (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup D]]
                | 2=[[Haplogroup E (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup E]]}}
            | label2=[[Haplogroup CF (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup CF]]
              | 2={{Clade
                | 1=[[Haplogroup C (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup C]]
<!-- [[Haplogroup F (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup F]] -->
| label2= [[Haplogroup F (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup F]]
  | 2={{Clade
    | 1=Haplogroups F1-F4
    | 4=[[Haplogroup H (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup H]]
    | 2=[[Haplogroup G (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup G]]
    <!-- Haplogroup IJK -->
    | label3= [[Haplogroup IJK (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup IJK]]
      | 3={{Clade
        <!-- Haplogroup IJ -->
        | label1=[[Haplogroup IJ (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup IJ]]
          | 1={{Clade
            | 1=[[Haplogroup I (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup I]]
            | 2=[[Haplogroup J (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup J]]}}
        <!-- Haplogroup K -->
        | label2=[[Haplogroup K (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup K]]
          | 2={{Clade
            | 1=Haplogroups K1-K4
            | 2=[[Haplogroup L (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup L]]
            | label3=[[Haplogroup MNOPS (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup MNOPS]]
              <!-- Haplogroup MNOPS -->
              | 3={{Clade
                | 1=[[Haplogroup M (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup M]]
                | label2=[[Haplogroup NO (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup NO]] 
                | 2={{Clade
                  | 1=[[Haplogroup N (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup N]]
                  | 2=[[Haplogroup O (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup O]] }}
                    | label3=[[Haplogroup P (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup P]]
                | 3={{Clade
                  | 1=[[Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup Q]]
                  | 2=[[Haplogroup R (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup R]]}}
                | 4=[[Haplogroup S (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup S]]}}
            |4=[[Haplogroup T (Y-DNA)|Haplogroup T]]}}
            }}
          }}
        }}
      }}
    }}
  }}
}}


-I think Andrew that your tree could be in the ''[[Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup]]'' article, but I believe that a template should be as small as possible and like this:

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'''[[Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup]]''' 
|-
| colspan=1 |
| style="text-align:left; font-size:90%" colspan=24 |[[Y-chromosomal Adam]]
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| colspan=6 |<nowiki>|</nowiki>
| colspan=16 |
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| colspan=1 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=3 |[[Haplogroup A (Y-DNA)|A]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup BT (Y-DNA)|BT]]
| colspan=18 |
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| colspan=2 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=3 |[[Haplogroup B (Y-DNA)|B]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup CT (Y-DNA)|CT]]
| colspan=13 |
|-
| colspan=4 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup DE (Y-DNA)|DE]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=3 |[[Haplogroup CF (Y-DNA)|CF]]
| colspan=9 |
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| colspan=3 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup D (Y-DNA)|D]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup E (Y-DNA)|E]]
| colspan=1 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup C (Y-DNA)|C]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=3 |[[Haplogroup F (Y-DNA)|F]]
| colspan=10 |
|-
| colspan=7 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup G (Y-DNA)|G]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup H (Y-DNA)|H]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=4 |[[Haplogroup IJK (Y-DNA)|IJK]]
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|-
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| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup IJ (Y-DNA)|IJ]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=6 |[[Haplogroup K (Y-DNA)|K]]
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| colspan=9 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup I (Y-DNA)|I]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup J (Y-DNA)|J]]
| colspan=1 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup L (Y-DNA)|L]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=7 |[[Haplogroup MNOPS (Y-DNA)|MNOPS]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=3 |[[Haplogroup T (Y-DNA)|T]]
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| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup M (Y-DNA)|M]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=3 |[[Haplogroup NO (Y-DNA)|NO]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:center" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup P (Y-DNA)|P]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup S (Y-DNA)|S]]
|-
| colspan=15 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup N (Y-DNA)|N]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup O (Y-DNA)|O]]
| colspan=1 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)|Q]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup R (Y-DNA)|R]]
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| colspan=19 |
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup R1 (Y-DNA)|R1]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA)|R2]]
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| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:left" colspan=2 |[[Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA)|R1a]]
| style="border-top: 1px #111 solid; text-align:right" colspan=1 |[[Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA)|R1b]]
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Fine by me. Actually I was thinking it is a handy to have "on file" anyway because it can be adapted for various uses.--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 13:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== where do we draw the line on adding sub-clades? ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Y-DNA&curid=5422309&diff=451658475&oldid=443626005 latest edit] to this template brings up a subject which was inevitably coming. Do we include any sub-clades beyond the ones with single letters? R1 was included at a time when it was one of the few such clades with its own article. It also includes a big part of European descended men who possibly dominate the editing of this Wikipedia. But eventually we have to decide where this template is going.--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 13:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

:Mate, when i saw the grandson clades, son clades of R, O were there then i asked R2a which is the grandson of R and was missing to be added, but you have solved the issue by rightly giving only the main clades there evolutionary positions rather than adding their subclades and making it complex, so have a good time.[[User:Nirjhara|Nirjhara]] ([[User talk:Nirjhara|talk]]) 05:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)