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== Dispute ==

I wanted to make sure you were aware of the discussion at [[Talk:Military occupation of France#Dab page]], since you previously edited the associated page. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 00:40, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

==Deletion review for [[:Category:Pseudoscientists]]==
An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#Category:Pseudoscientists|deletion review]] of [[:Category:Pseudoscientists]]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> This is a limited reconsideration of one element of the decision, not a call for a reversal of the entire renaming. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 01:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for cleaning up the incoming links to {{no redirect|Doors}}. I was just getting to that myself. I'm glad I didn't get any more messages angrily pointing me to [[WP:FIXDABLINKS]]. It's a good "code of honor" for unilateral actors, but I wish it made an explicit exception for discussion closers. RM and RfD are backlogged already; we really don't need to add an extra burden on closers. Perhaps in turn the onus could be placed on the requester and/or supporters, though that could also chill discussion. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
* My pleasure. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== June 2014 ==

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==Incomplete DYK nomination==

[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Minette (ore)]]''' at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] is not complete; see [[Template talk:Did you know#How to post a new nomination|step 3 of the nomination procedure]]. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{tl|db-g7}}, or ask a [[WP:Did you know/Admins|DYK admin]]. Thank you. <!--Template:DYK nomination needs transcluded--> [[User:DYKHousekeepingBot|DYKHousekeepingBot]] ([[User talk:DYKHousekeepingBot|talk]]) 06:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

== Disambig links ==

Hi BD2412, thanks for your contributions.

How you solve that many disambig links under 1 minute? [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 12:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
: Is there any particular minute to which you are referring? I generally use AWB. I have it loaded with the most likely solutions to the most common offenders (links like [[heavy metal]], [[Spanish]], [[battery]], etc.), and can run through the list of all links to all of these pages, clicking all the fixes that are correct and adjusting those that are not. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:26, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for providing me an idea. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 16:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Uh-oh. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

== State Bar of Texas ==

Dear BD 2412: User Lulaq and/or IP 209.133.55.244 has been adding what I contend is personal POV to the article on the [[State Bar of Texas]] that is not found in the material he cites. He/she reverts, claiming that his material is actually found in the source materials, which I believe is false. I'd appreciate your looking at that. Yours, [[User:Famspear|Famspear]] ([[User talk:Famspear|talk]]) 19:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:{{tps}}I've removed several of the statements that were clearly not sourced (especially the [[WP:BLP]] violation at the end of the section).  I also started a talk page discusssion that highlights the specific sections that were unsourced and what was needed plus left a note on the editors talk page.  Based on their current sources, that section probably should be 1-2 sentences long.  Removing the worst unsourced parts and pointing them to what's needed may help out somewhat.  That entire section smells like an attack on the person mentioned at the though. [[User:Ravensfire|<b style="color:darkred;">Ravensfire</b>]] ([[User talk:Ravensfire|<span style="color:black;">talk</span>]]) 20:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:: Thanks, [[User:Ravensfire|Ravensfire]]! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

== COI RfC ==

Hi BD,  your name was mentioned over at the [[WT:COI|COI RFC]] (now withdrawn, or on hold). I see you didn't vote in the 4 main RfCs in November. Have you expressed an opinion on the recent COI questions, do you have a fixed position, and would you like to be one of the closers? - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 03:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
: Sorry, but I won't have the time to address an issue of this scope for at least a few weeks. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
::Sure thing. If you find you do have time in the future, please feel free to jump in. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 14:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

== Leaflet For Wikiproject Disambiguation At Wikimania 2014 ==

Hi,
<br>
I noticed that you took interest in getting a leaflet printed for Wikiproject Disambiguation at Wikimania 2014. However, you have not submitted it yet. If you want to have your leaflet displayed, then the submission deadline is 1st July 2014. 
<br><br>
Thanks. 
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Kind regards,
<br><br>
[[User:Adikhajuria|Adikhajuria]] ([[User talk:Adikhajuria|talk]]) 17:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

== [[:Continental Motors Company|Continental Motor Manufacturing Company]] ==

Hi BD2412. Everyone but Wikipedia knows about a business called Continental Motor Manufacturing Company which I guess is the same as Wikipedia calls Continental Motors Company. I see you have made a number of edits to that article and I wondered if you would mind if I corrected the company's name. Of course that might be a mistake and that's why I first write to you. Regards, [[User:Eddaido|Eddaido]] ([[User talk:Eddaido|talk]]) 12:07, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
: Greetings! The correct method for requesting a page move is outlined at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:44, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
::Thankyou! I now find a reliable statement as follows "abbbreviated to Continental  Motors Company in February 1916 . . . 2nd January 1917 incorporated in Virginia as Continental Motors Corporation". . . ahhh. I would be very pleased to email a scan of a couple of pages from this detailed source to anyone prepared to write up the info for the WP article, in the meantime I'm finding it hard enough to read the rest of ''The Bullnose and Flatnose Morris'' by Jarman and Barraclough. Thank you for your time and patience, (squirm).  [[User:Eddaido|Eddaido]] ([[User talk:Eddaido|talk]]) 02:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== Garbage genres discussion ==

Hello. You're a past editor in the Garbage articles, would you mind giving your input on the latest discussion? [[Talk:Garbage_(band)#Genres]]. --[[User:Lapadite77|Lpdte77]] ([[User talk:Lapadite77|talk]]) 01:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
: No thanks, I have only ever been an incidental editor of those articles. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

== Please help ==

Please have a look at [[Talk:Poland#Please do something|this]] and help if possible, I have no idea who to turn to with this so I'm trying to contact more experienced Wikipedians.

--[[User:Samotny Wędrowiec|Samotny Wędrowiec]] ([[User talk:Samotny Wędrowiec|talk]]) 22:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

* I'm afraid this is outside of my competency. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:25, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
::Hey BD2412, thanks for bringing this up. I had seen this user posting the same message on other talk pages.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Magioladitis&diff=prev&oldid=615217843] After your reply I checked what he actually wanted and I've removed that attack post.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Poland&diff=615829322&oldid=615567132] [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 15:30, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
::* Thanks for letting me know. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

== A little help, please? ==

[[Template_talk:US_Constitutional_Tax_Law]]
Thanks. -- [[User:Foofighter20x|Foofighter20x]] ([[User talk:Foofighter20x|talk]]) 18:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

== Make [[Social identity]] a [[WP:Disambiguation]] page or not? ==

Hey, BD2412. Several hours earlier today, after reading [[User talk:Sillyfolkboy|Sillyfolkboy]]'s commentary in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality&curid=2590132&diff=616973215&oldid=616964335#Possibilities_for_the_next_RM this section] at the [[Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality]] talk page, I noticed that the Social identity link redirects to the [[Social identity theory]] article. I was surprised because there is also the [[Identity (social science)]] article, and "social identity" usually is not considered a theory (except for in the context of the social identity theory topic), but rather as something a person simply has. Given that there is a Identity (social science), Social identity theory, [[Self-concept]] and [[Personal identity]] article, topics that can all mean "social identity," it seems to me that the Social identity link should be a WP:Disambiguation page. 

I've temporarily put your talk page on my WP:Watchlist, so there is no need to ping me to this discussion if you reply. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
: I think that it is more likely that the target is wrong, and that the primary topic of the term is [[Identity (social science)]] (or that [[Identity (social science)]] should be moved to [[Social identity]]). The theory is just a theory ''about'' the organization of that kind of identity, and both [[Self-concept]] and [[Personal identity]] seem like subtopics or tangentially related concepts, making this more suitable for dabconcept then disambiguation. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:30, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

::Yeah, I was also thinking that this may be a [[WP:BROADCONCEPT]] matter, or that at least one or more aspects of it are a WP:BROADCONCEPT matter. What page do you think is the best page to start a discussion about this so that [[WP:Consensus]] may be achieved regarding it? Perhaps at [[Talk:Social identity]], after removing the redirect that's there? Wherever we start a discussion about it for wider input, we should employ [[WP:TALKCENT]]. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:45, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
::: My friend, in the words of [[Meat Loaf]], let me sleep on it, I'll give you an answer in the morning. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

::::LOL!! Okay. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
::::: The more I think about it, the more I think that this should just point to [[Identity (social science)]]. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

::::::Given [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_identity&oldid=615494145 the message] on the Social identity page, how do you think I should handle redirecting that page to the Identity (social science) article? I was simply going to redirect it there while pointing to this discussion. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 13:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

::::::Redirected, as seen [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_identity&diff=623206679&oldid=615494145 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Social_identity&diff=623207005&oldid=615494099 here]. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 18:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::: Sorry I lost track of the discussion - everything from before Wikimania is still a blur. I agree with the redirect. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::::Thanks for explaining and for the support. I was brought back to this section because your user page had very recently popped up on my WP:Watchlist and I remembered why I had re-WP:Watchlisted your user page (by "re-WP:Watchlisted," I mean that I have put your user page on my WP:Watchlist twice or thrice). [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 18:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

== WP:INTDABLINK problem ==

Please see the recent history of [[Typhoon Neoguri (2014)]]. At least two users have reverted my edits to the hatnote. I'll try a nice post on the talk page, but I doubt it will do much good. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 18:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
: I will keep an eye on it. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
::While im not going to be removing any disambiguation links or doing anything to the disambiguation hatnotes and do not wish to open a can of worms. [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation]] including WP:INTDABLINK is only a Guideline and not a Policy like you have told two users.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 11:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
::: As far as I recall, we had a separate discussion on [[WP:INTDABLINK]] at one point, and found an uncontested consensus to make it a policy rather than a guideline, even though it remains on the [[WP:DAB]] page. However, the more important factor is that direct links to disambiguation pages seriously harm the efforts of disambiguators to fix errors, and we have numerous sub-projects directed towards fixing just these. Editors who revert these fixes are doing no more to help Wikipedia than editors who revert a link to a specific "John Smith" to instead point to the disambiguation page [[John Smith]] because the syntax looks neater. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 12:30, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== Removal of shared IP headers on talk pages? ==

Hello.  Just curious as to why you are removing the shared IP header templates on the talk pages of anonymous editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A24.151.129.28&diff=618072166&oldid=140326482].  According to [[WP:USER]], these sorts of "templates and notes left to indicate other users share the same IP address and/or to whom the IP is registered" are on the list of things that should not be removed from user talk pages.  Regards, — [[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 13:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
:This is as approved in this discussion: [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 110#Bot blank and template really, really, really old IP talk pages.]] These are pages from which no edits have been made in the past five years (or more some have even had no edits for over ten years). IP addresses can be dynamic (and were more so just a few years ago), so we can't as a rule say that the IP address is still shared or registered as it was five years ago. Moreover, if no edits have been made from an IP address in five years, it's a safe bet that it's not accessible to the general public at all, and there is no point in having anything at all on the page. Removing the content from these pages then makes it easier to find relevant pages when searching the "what links here" for links that had previously had instances on that page. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you for the speedy reply. Please forgive my confusion, but your proposal at VPP was for when "no edits have been made by the IP within the last <u>seven</u> years" (emphasis yours), above you said five years, and glancing at the bot's most recent run, I see that the second to last blanked page [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A99.29.196.54&diff=618073784&oldid=325130023] was for an IP that last edited 4 years 8 months ago [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=99.29.196.54].  So is it 7 years, 5 years, 4 years, or something else?  If the stated goal is to reduce the number of unnecessary links to dab pages, perhaps the bot could just remove all of the ancient warnings (with their dab links), but leave the IP headers (which rarely link to dab pages) in place?  Regards, — [[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 17:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
::: The proposal was seven years, although some supporters would have preferred even lower thresholds. That, however, was for having this done automatically by a bot (i.e. without even needing human supervision). I have actually been making these edits manually, assisted by AWB. I have seen other discussions where it has been suggested that any IP talk page that has been stale for more than ''six months'' should be blanked and templated. I don't much disagree with that. The list that I generated was actually of any IPs that didn't have any contribution in a year with a "201-" in the title, so it covered pages with edits made up to December 31, 2009. This being 2014, I'm not particularly concerned with blanking a page last edited four years and seven months ago. As for leaving the IP headers, Wikipedia is not a permanent record of the affiliations that a fairly random selection of IP pages had in the previous decade. If there have been no edits forthcoming from them, then there is no benefit to the encyclopedia in maintaining them at all. The benefit in removing them is that you can look at the "what links here" page even for the ''templates'' used on those pages and get a more accurate picture of pages relevant to current activity. The only template remaining on all of these pages will be a generic {{t|OW}}. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

==AWAY==
<big>'''I am attending [https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimania] in [[London]], and (ironically) will therefore be unable to edit until my return, August 12. Please try to have this project finished by the time I get back (but at the very least, don't break it). Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)'''</big>

== Particulates ==

In 2012, you participated in a discussion at [[Talk:Particulate (disambiguation)]]. There is now a [[Talk:Particulates#Requested move|related proposal]] to move [[Particulates]] to [[Atmospheric particulate matter]], and I thought you might like to participate in the discussion at [[Talk:Particulates]]. [[User:G. C. Hood|G. C. Hood]] ([[User talk:G. C. Hood|talk]]) 17:43, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Philandry]] for deletion ==
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The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philandry ]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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== [[Draft:Best Before Records]] ==

Dear BD2412:  Before you made the final edit to this draft, another editor copied it to mainspace, where it has continued to be improved.  I'd like to do a history merge to put it back together.  Would you mind reverting your edit so that there will be no overlapping changes?  Thanks.  &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 21:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
: No problem. I reverted and went ahead and did the history merge. Please note that I am editing from the hotel computer of the Thistle City Barbican, apparently being the only Wikipedian here who doesn't have his own computer or device from which to edit. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks! I didn't expect such a quick response after reading your "Status" message.  Enjoy your trip! &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 23:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

== Quantification ==

Thanks for helping to disambiguate the links to [[Quantification]]! If I had thought of the number of those links, I wouldn't have split the original page. I probably should have learned how to use AWB before... - [[User:Jochen Burghardt|Jochen Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Jochen Burghardt|talk]]) 21:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

== And back again ==

It sounds like you have come back exhausted from WikiMania.  I hope this is because you had such a good time doing interesting and worthwhile things that you took yourself to your neuronal limit.  And then you were jet lagged?  You did make conflicting requests:  "Please hang on until I get back" and "Please try to have this project finished by the time I get back".  I'm sure you know that we haven't ''broken'' the project, least of all some particles.  I'm looking forward to meeting your usual calm, wise, authoritative self in a day or two, hopefully.  Some people say that it takes a day of recovery for every time zone crossed.  That seemed an exaggeration when I was young.  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 07:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[Epitome]] ==

* https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Epitome&diff=621223021&oldid=620391078
: '''m''' ''(BD2412 moved page Epitome (form) to Epitome: revert WP:BOLD but controversial move per WP:BRD; please obtain a consensus via WP:RM before undertaking controversial moves)''

Hello. Re the above, I'm twice puzzled: first, what is controversial about the move; and second, where may I find a copy of the disambiguation page the above move replaced..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 18:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
: I have moved the edit history to the [[Epitome (disambiguation)]] page. Any page move of a longstanding title that creates a large number of broken links is inherently controversial, and any editor may revert such a move if made without discussion. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

:* By "broken links", do you mean something different from redirects that would need updating..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 22:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:** I mean exactly that. A link that points to a disambiguation page is an error. Relative to the purpose of an encyclopedia, it is broken, just as much as a page that has any other wrong information. Please note that disambiguators are presently overwhelmed with a rising tide of such links, and errors created in this way may not end up getting fixed. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

:::* In that case, I must've been distracted from updating the redirects, for which I apologize. Do you think that the use of "epitome" as referring to the shortened form is the most commonplace? My impression is that it's to label something as the best or a prime example of something. If so, perhaps [[Epitome]] should redirect to [[Epitome (disambiguation)]] or become the disambiguation page itself..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 09:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
::::* Use of "epitome" to label something as a prime example of something is dictionary use, not encyclopedic. I would venture that the form is the primary ''encyclopedic'' topic. However, since a base page title can't redirect to a disambiguation page (per [[WP:MALPLACED]]), the correct course of action would be to file a [[WP:RM|requested move]], so that evidence for and against the move can be presented and considered, and a consensus determined by the community. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 11:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::* I feel I should know this, but: if "Blah" was a word whose most common use was agreed to be more dictionary-like than encyclopedic, would that usually mean that <nowiki>[[Blah]]</nowiki> or a search for "Blah" would take the reader to <nowiki>[[Blah (disambiguation)]]</nowiki>..? If so, that's what I'll suggest in a requested move – unless you recommend something different..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 22:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::* The situation is not unheard of - [[Raison d'être]] is an example. However, I would be curious as to whether the incoming link to [[Epitome]] are directed towards the common noun sense, or to the form, which is a useful clue about what people think when they search for or link to this word in an encyclopedia. Moreover, I suspect that a if there are a lot of links intending the common noun sense, there may be a need for an encyclopedia article on the concept at issue. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::::* For now, I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Epitome_%28disambiguation%29&diff=622033445&oldid=621242326 added this use of "epitome" to the start of the disambiguation page] (and also, as it's counter-intuitive, the pronunciation). Thanks for your input. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 09:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

== Pause the particulates palaver? ==

The whole threads around particulates seem to be getting in a bit of a mess. It is a tricky issue and lots of people seem to have strong opinions (including me) which never helps. I wonder if it would help to withdraw all proposals for change at the moment and see if we get some advice via [[Noticeboards#Editor_assistance]]. The discussions could continue to allow us to look at some possible options. I think that any proposal needs to look at the whole thing together and not as individual discussions. For example, if we move particulates back to atmospheric particle matter then it makes it harder for that to be the target for particulate etc. There are several other coherent proposals we could come up with but they need to all work together and would probably benefit from someone who has not been involved up to this point. What do you think?--[[User:NHSavage|NHSavage]] ([[User talk:NHSavage|talk]]) 20:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
: I'm not opposed to that. How would you propose we go about it? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:: I'd do it like this. First withdraw all the proposals for changes on these pages. Then on a subpage of say particulate, let's try and formulate some options for this set of pages. Then invite people to discuss the relative merits of each and see if we can get to consensus (the ideal position). If we can't reach consensus, then ask for advice from [[Wikipedia:Editor_assistance]] to help avoid any disputes escalating. --[[User:NHSavage|NHSavage]] ([[User talk:NHSavage|talk]]) 14:16, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
::: Yes, I think that's a good course of action. If the move request at [[Particulates]] is withdrawn, we can proceed with winding down the rest of the issues. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:47, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} I know nothing much about particles or particulates, and am about to have a wikibreak, but seem to have fallen into this discussion a couple of times as a disambiguator etc, so will make a few comments here (feel free to copy them to whatever page the discussion is held at):
::::*Every related article must have the title which is the best title for that article, using disambiguation if necessary.
::::*Each of [[Particle]], [[Particle (disambiguation)]], [[Particulate]], [[Particulate (disambiguation)]], [[Particulates]], and [[Particulates (disambiguation)]] (and whatever else seems necessary - [[Particulate matter]] for a start) must exist as articles, dab pages or sensible redirects
::::*Readers starting any of those 6 or more entry points must be led to all the relevant material, by whatever combination of dab pages, redirects, and hatnotes is needed
::::*It's quite acceptable for [[Foo 1]] to redirect to [[Foo 2]] and for [[Foo 1 (disambiguation)]] to exist and be linked by a {{tl|redirect}} hatnote on [[Foo 2]] (ie the topic called "Foo 2" is also known as "Foo 1", and is the primary topic for "Foo 1" although there are other topics at that title which need disambiguation.
::::*But it's not acceptable for [[Foo 1]] to redirect to [[Foo 1 (disambiguation)]]: in that case the dab page needs to be at [[Foo 1]] with a redirect from [[Foo 1 (disambiguation)]] (ie if there is no primary topic, then the dab page goes at the base name - with a redirect, of course)
::::Probably all stating the obvious, but seemed worth re-stating as the framework within which those who know and care about particles and particulates should be discussing things. Good luck. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 16:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
::::: Yes, but there is a deeper issue where there is some relationship between all of the terms. We could have a disambiguation page at [[Elephant]] merely listing [[African elephant]] and [[Indian elephant]], but there is a concept of "elephant" that encompasses both of these senses. We still have [[Elephant (disambiguation)]] because there are meanings not directly related to the kinds of elephant. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::: That is a nice example of where you need a disambiguation page and a primary topic. Thanks.--[[User:NHSavage|NHSavage]] ([[User talk:NHSavage|talk]]) 17:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

=== Some suggestions to think about ===
In my sandbox, I have tried to outline what I think that possible ways of dealing with this are: [[User:NHSavage/sandbox/particulates]]. --[[User:NHSavage|NHSavage]] ([[User talk:NHSavage|talk]]) 18:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
: Option 3a would run afoul of [[WP:MALPLACED]]. If there is to be a disambiguation page, the "Foo" title can't redirect to the "Foo (disambiguation)" title. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
:: Thank you for explaining that. I have added option 3c as a result.--[[User:NHSavage|NHSavage]] ([[User talk:NHSavage|talk]]) 19:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
== A barnstar for you! ==

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: Thanks! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

== Something in the way ... ==

Hi BD2412. You might want to make sure the song article is indeed titled "Something (Beatles song)" first … Right now, "[[Something]]" still takes us to the Harrison song, and I've seen one or two users reverting your recent change(s). Cheers, [[User:JG66|JG66]] ([[User talk:JG66|talk]]) 17:22, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
: Based on the trajectory of the current move discussion, it won't last. I would rather not shock the WP:DPL count with a sharp spike that can be dealt with in advance. In any case, this is a necessary exercise, as there are links to [[Something]] that do not intend the Beatles song, and this is the only way to find and fix those. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:: Aha, fair point. [[User:JG66|JG66]] ([[User talk:JG66|talk]]) 17:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

=== Something ===

I did not put in the request, and I am not an administrator (as you are).  Why are you delegating work to me? - [[User:Hoops gza|Hoops gza]] ([[User talk:Hoops gza|talk]]) 02:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
* I have already fixed all of the incoming links, which was quite an effort; if you are going to unfix them now, surely you can refix them when the page move is made next week. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
The request is not closed.  Why did you change the links before consensus was reached? - [[User:Hoops gza|Hoops gza]] ([[User talk:Hoops gza|talk]]) 03:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
* I have mad experience with these things. Also, since the links continue to redirect to the current target article, the fix doesn't cause any problems, but it ''does'' make it easy to see links to [[Something]] that are intended for any of the various other meanings of the word. See the discussion immediately above. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:18, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

== I will be away for family matters until September 2. ==

Please hold all calls until then. Try and get all the disambiguation links fixed before I get back, but at least, don't break anything. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:17, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
:Take care. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 08:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
::Okay, so you're away. Are we supposed to find the disambiguation links you removed and make a lot of repairs, or is [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=International_Code_of_Nomenclature_of_Bacteria&diff=622824967&oldid=618822205 this one] just an isolation accident? I added the deleted information back at [[ICNB]]. [[User:Sminthopsis84|Sminthopsis84]] ([[User talk:Sminthopsis84|talk]]) 18:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::: '''Talk page stalker comment''', [[User:Sminthopsis84]], what accident are you talking about? As far as I can see BD2412 has not edited [[ICNB]] at all. You can see, ICNB doesn't redirect to anything, so there shouldn't be a template on any page saying that ICNB redirects there. Removing a template that says that is the right thing. [[User:WPGA2345|<span style="color:white;"><span style="text-shadow:gray 5px 5px 5px; background:#DC143C">''''' - WPGA2345 - '''''</span></span>]][[User talk:WPGA2345|<span style="color:black;"><big><big><span style="background:#ffffff">☛</span></big></big></span>]] 20:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::::The edit I pointed to is on [[International Code of Nomenclature of Bacteria]]. At one time, [[ICNB]] redirected there, as can be seen in the history. The redirect that BD2412 removed said ""ICNB" redirects here. For the Portuguese government agency, see Institute for Nature Conservation and Biodiversity". It would have been helpful to look into that a bit in order to discover that someone earlier had failed to add [[Institute for Nature Conservation and Biodiversity]] to the disambiguation page [[ICNB]]. That unexpected connection is something that someone had helpfully added to wikipedia and was in danger of being lost forever. I have now fixed that. I was rather surprised to see BD2412 apparently asking other people to clean up after a mass removal they had done, by saying "Try and get all the disambiguation links fixed before I get back". If that was in fact what was being asked, I consider it rather inconsiderate to zap information without adequate checking. There might not be enough editors watching the affected pages with their brains at the ready. I don't know BD2412 well, but hope that that possible reading of their statement here was not, in fact, the intended reading. [[User:Sminthopsis84|Sminthopsis84]] ([[User talk:Sminthopsis84|talk]]) 21:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::::: I think you totally misunderstood the intent of BD2412's comment. He was referring to the (approximately) 200,000 [[WP:DPL|links to disambiguation pages]] that need to be repaired. Suggesting that we would fix them all over a long weekend was a JOKE. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 12:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for explaining. Sorry for misunderstanding. [[User:Sminthopsis84|Sminthopsis84]] ([[User talk:Sminthopsis84|talk]]) 11:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to those who clarified things here. Yes, I meant all 200,000 disambiguation links. The issue with [[ICNB]] traces to [[User:Aleksa Lukic]] making it into a disambiguation page, without including the term to which the link already pointed, which is a rather odd thing to do. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
== Unnamed lake ==

I was just wondering why [[Unnamed lake]] redirects to Open problem? The reason I ask is that there are 72 articles, mostly in Canada, about rivers that link to Unnamed lake. It seems the box used automatically links the term used in the line "source =". I'm in the process of changing them to "Lake unnamed" anyway. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CBWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Talk]], <small>[[Pinniped|Seal meat for supper?]]</small> 03:27, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
*So far as I recall, these used to say "unknown", which generated a link to the disambiguation page [[Unknown]], which is mostly concerned with films and other media topics that are actually named "Unknown", and not at all helpful in determining the meaning of "unknown" in the context of a source lake. Redirecting the page to [[open problem]] seemed to be the most accurate resolution, since in the context of Wikipedia, these unknown lakes are indeed an open problem. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
::Ah. I thought that "unnamed lake" had some sort of math or scientific concept. Now I see someone has changed [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Unnamed_lake&diff=623958409&oldid=589624165 unnamed lake] and I changed them all. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CBWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Talk]], <small>[[Pinniped|Seal meat for supper?]]</small> 15:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

== Two letter disambiguation ==

I noticed the work you've been doing on this as some of the pages are on my watchlist, noticed they were introducing a relatively minor case of over-categorisation, and thought of a fix: would a template be better, like {{tl|disambiguation}}, or more exactly like {{tl|Letter disambiguation}} (without the navigation box)? This would replace that template and so put them in the correct category while allowing for a more precise description.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 18:22, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
: Greetings! The discussion preceding these additions was (and is) at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#AA/aa - ZZ/zz disambiguations]]. That would be the place to make this proposal. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Parachutes ==

Hi - would you mind taking another look at your !vote at [[Talk:Parachutes]]? I posted pageview stats that show that this plural is not the same as [[Chairs]] (or for that matter, [[Dolls]] or [[Pianos]], for which I support a move). In fact, ''more'' people visit the Parachutes album page than go to the Parachute device page. That makes it much more like the other examples at [[WP:PLURALPT]], such as [[Windows]] and [[Bookends]]. Thanks. [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 14:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello again - I was just wondering what you made of the usage argument I put forward at the Bookends page. [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 21:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

== Cereus disambiguation ==

Please see [[Talk:Cereus_(disambiguation)]]. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 14:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
* Done, cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:58, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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== Good job with your recent new [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] articles! ==

Just wanted to say thanks for your recent contributions and [[WP:RM]] discussions that have resulted in new articles for primary topics of basic English words. I don't know if you'd be interested in another suggestion regarding another example I found that is essentially a disambiguation page that has a lead written like a [[WP:DABCONCEPT]] that could be its own standalone article that I just ran across: [[Host]]. Since you've been doing quite a few of these lately, I thought you'd be a good editor to know of this. Anyways, thanks again! [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
* I don't think there is a primary topic of [[host]] - there are too many diverse meanings, and even some of the similar ones (a biological host versus a hospitality giver) are pretty far apart. That's just my opinion, though. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:*Fair enough. Then, I sort of have a follow-up question: Do you think that the material in the lead paragraph of the disambiguation page can be used as a foundation for a new article that can, essentially, survive an [[WP:AFD]]? [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::* I think there's an encyclopedic topic to be covered there. For that, I would start with a page in draft space. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

== I was wondering ... about [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]] ... ==

Since you beat me to the punch on disambiguating the incoming links to [[Most]], I was wondering; how efficient is [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]] in performing edits such as you did for the incoming links to [[Most]]? I've been looking for an alternative to disambiguate links since [[Wikipedia:Dab solver|Dab solver]] is basically no more until further notice. (That, and on a related note, I'm wondering if the verbiage in {{Tl|Incoming links}} needs to be updated.) [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 14:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
: Autowikibrowser is very, very good if you have large numbers of links, and the disambiguation function is good even if you have small batches of disambiguation links, so long as they are pointing directly to the disambiguation page, and not through a redirect (i.e. to [[Mercury]], not [[Mercury (album)]]. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship]] ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I saw you on my watchlist. Upon reading the edit summary, it seemed like the worst idea ever. After reading the edit diff, it seems like the best idea ever. [[User:Antrocent|Antrocent]] ([[User talk:Antrocent#top|&#9835;&#9836;]]) 18:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks! I try. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:28, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:*{{Talk page stalker}} I just saw the referenced edit: Hilarious! [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

== [[English rose (epithet)]] ==

Your "thorny one" comment made me smile :)

[[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 18:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

== The Legends ==

Thanks for closing [[Talk:Legend (disambiguation)#Merger proposal]]. What do you think of changing the [[The Legends]] redirect to point at [[Legend (disambiguation)]]? I am going to be bold and move this. Let me know if you have a problem.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 23:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
: No problem - it follows from the discussion. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::I have fully documented my ancillary changes at [[Talk:Legend (disambiguation)#Merger proposal]]. Note the hatnote commentary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 00:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:::P.S. Can you cap the events there now.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 00:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: You mean close the discussion with a template? I don't think it's necessary - it's done. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

== One last issue related to Legend disambiguation ==

Since you took the time to consider the issues at [[Talk:Legend (disambiguation)#Merger proposal]], I am hoping you might help us consider a related issue at [[Talk:Legends (TV series)#Call for a vote on hatnote for this page]].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 04:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
(below comments moved from the section above. It appears we both  responded in the wrong section)
: I'm not sure to do with that one. Hatnotes are cheap, so there's really no call for a vote to ''oppose'' having one. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 11:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:: They are usually cheap, because they are rarely contested. I have put them on a lot of places and never been reverted in this manner before. Not sure what you mean by "there's really no call for a vote to ''oppose'' having one." It is not clear whether you support or oppose the hatnote, but your voice over here is meaningless. If you could take a moment and say whether you support or oppose this use of a hatnote at the discussion where we are trying to achieve a consensus, it would be more helpful. It takes a number of voices to achieve a consensus and it is better to achieve a meaningful consensus than to end up with too few opinions to determine what consensus is. Since you have already put a lot of thought into these related pages, it is not asking much for you to add your voice to our attempt to reach a consensus.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 23:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::: Done, cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

== Church names at parenthetical titles. ==

Greetings! Comma disambiguation for place names is generally for municipal designations like [[Melbourne, Florida]], not specific structures like [[St. Paul's Church (New York City)]]. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

:Where in [[WP:MOS]] and [[WP:COMMADIS]] that structures are NOT place names? Don't they pertain to a particular place and how come GPS coordinates can be applied to them? Thanks! [[User:Anime|Anime]] ([[User talk:Anime|talk]]) 16:08, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

:: See [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation]], which says "With the names of '''cities, towns, villages and other settlements, as well as administrative divisions''', the tag is normally preceded by a comma, as in Hel, Poland, and Polk County, Tennessee". Those are the only kinds of bodies for which provide for use of a comma rather than a parenthetical. That is because this usage, identifying administrative divisions of a larger body, is common outside of Wikipedia. A title like [[St. Paul's Church, New York City]] would therefore lead the reader to believe that there was an administrative division of the city that happened to have this name, not a particular structure. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

:*{{anchor|movereq-St. John the Baptist Church (San Juan, Metro Manila)}} '''[[:St. John the Baptist Church (San Juan, Metro Manila)]]&nbsp;→ {{no redirect|Pinaglabanan Church}} {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests|([{{fullurl:Special:MovePage|wpOldTitle={{Urlencode:St. John the Baptist Church (San Juan, Metro Manila)}}&wpNewTitle={{Urlencode:Pinaglabanan Church}}&wpReason={{Urlencode:Requested at [[WP:RM]] as uncontroversial ([[Special:Permalink/{{REVISIONID}}|permalink]])}}&wpMovetalk=1}} move]) ([{{fullurl:{{TALKPAGENAMEE:St. John the Baptist Church (San Juan, Metro Manila)}}|action=edit&editintro=Template:RMassist/editintro&section=new&preloadtitle={{Urlencode:Requested move 09 September 2014}}&preload=Template:RMassist/preload&preloadparams%5b%5d={{Urlencode:Pinaglabanan Church}}&preloadparams%5b%5d={{Urlencode:[[WP:COMMONNAME]]}}&preloadparams%5b%5d={{Urlencode:&nbsp;– [[User:Anime|Anime]] ([[User talk:Anime|talk]]) 16:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)}}&preloadparams%5b%5d={{REVISIONID}}}} discuss])|([{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests#{{anchorencode:movereq-St. John the Baptist Church (San Juan, Metro Manila)}}}} move (@subpage)])}}'''&nbsp;– [[WP:COMMONNAME]]&nbsp;– [[User:Anime|Anime]] ([[User talk:Anime|talk]]) 16:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:This is even included in your deletion even though the reason I cited is different. [[User:Anime|Anime]] ([[User talk:Anime|talk]]) 16:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
:: The target page does not include a comma disambiguator, and is therefore correct. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
:Ok then please act on it I cannot move that page. [[User:Anime|Anime]] ([[User talk:Anime|talk]]) 16:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
:* {{done}}, cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

== [[Boer Wars]] and [[Vienna Award]] ==

What is the basis for these articles? Neither is about the broad idea of a Boer war or a Vienna award. Both just devote part of the article to the ''first'' Boer War/Vienna Award and another part to the ''second''. Completely redundant. There's no broad concept for an article in either case. The Boer Wars have no more in common than the various [[Anglo-Afghan War]]s. The Vienna Awards are no more alike than all the [[Treaty of Paris|Treaties of Paris]]. —[[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 23:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
* They are not ''ambiguous'' topics, however. It is clearly possible to discuss "the Boer Wars" or "the Vienna Awards" as a single topic, since they are related not only by sharing a name (like the planet [[Mercury (planet)|Mercury]] and the element [[Mercury (element)|Mercury]]) but by involvement of the same parties acting in the same geographical spheres of influence, and by the historical chain of events connecting them. You could as easily have a [[List of Boer Wars]] or [[List of Vienna Awards]] comparing and contrasting them. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
**The terms "Boer War" and "Vienna Award" are ambiguous. A list of two items? Isn't that what I did? Shrink down redundant articles to two-item lists with descriptions that compared and contrasted them? As they stand the articles are pointlessly redundant. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 13:34, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
*** If a person told you they were an expert in Mercury or in John Smith (or even in "the John Smiths"), you would ask which ones. If a person told you they were an expert in the Boer Wars or the Vienna Awards, you would most likely assume that they were an expert in ''both'' events by each name, and whatever the connections were between them. It would be very odd if the two Boer Wars, for example, were completely unrelated, so that nothing at all could be said about the commonalities and connections between their causes, course of action, and resolution. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
*** Addendum: Looking at [[Second Boer War]], there are two lengthy sections on "Origins" and "Background"; aside from the fact that these seem redundant and should probably be combined into a single section, together they discuss the common elements leading to the origin of ''both'' wars, and why one ended differently from the other. This is the sort of thing that should be in an article on the two wars as episodes in a single territorial conflict, with a long suspension of hostilities in the middle. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

==Edits to [[Amoeba]] and [[Amoeba (disambiguation)]]==

Thanks for your feedback. For my discussion of recent edits to the page, and the reasons for them, please see [[Talk:Amoeba]]. The need for the removal of [[Amoeba]] to [[Amoeba (genus)]] was discussed on [[User:Espoo]]'s Talk page, but evidently I should have aired the topic more thoroughly before proceeding. Also, of course, I should have used a different procedure to accomplish the move, but unfortunately was not familiar with the correct tools & procedures for that task.  And finally, I did not anticipate that it would be a problem to link [[Amoeba]] to [[Amoeba (disambiguation)]]. I'm not a newcomer to Wikipedia, but I am an infrequent editor (though certainly not an ''intentionally'' "disruptive" one). 

I write and revise the Wikipedia pages on [[protist]]s because I have an interest in the subject and some expertise to offer, and many of those pages are in a sorry state.  Few qualified editors have taken an interest in improving these articles, in recent years, and it shows. Some of them are in an embarrassing condition.

The [[Amoeba]] article, as the lead makes clear, is explicitly about the ''genus'' ''Amoeba'', a fairly minor subject.  However, microbiologists commonly use the word "amoeba" (lower case, no italics) in a looser way to describe a certain type of cell (one that uses pseudopodia to move and feed). That is a relatively large and important subject, encompassing many thousands of species that do not belong to the genus ''Amoeba'' at all. Most of the links to "amoeba" in Wikipedia's general biological articles are actually intended for "amoeba" in this larger sense of the word. 

I recognize that redirecting those links to [[Amoeba (disambiguation)]] is unacceptable, but at the same time very few of them should be linking to the current version of [[Amoeba]], which deals only with a single genus (one that happens to have the same name, albeit in capitalized form).  In your view, would it be acceptable to move the current [[Amoeba]] article to [[Amoeba {genus)]] (on analogy with its sister genus ''Chaos'', which can be found under the title [[Chaos (genus)]]), and then redirect [[Amoeba]] to [[Amoeba (amoeboid organism)]]?  [[User:Deuterostome|Deuterostome]] ([[User talk:Deuterostome|talk]]) 04:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
: If people who hear "[[Amoeba]]" are thinking [[Amoeba (amoeboid organism)]], shouldn't that article be moved to Amoeba? A move request, with the involved projects notified, would sort that out with appropriate consensus and ideally with a plan for dealing with the incoming links. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, that would be ideal. I looked at the first 50 of the incoming links. Of those, 47 clearly do not point to the genus ''Amoeba'' and should go to [[Amoeba (amoeboid organism)]].  Moving that article to [[Amoeba]] would solve the problem immediately. Of the remaining three links, two were intended for the page [[Amoeba proteus]] and only one was intended for the genus ''Amoeba''.  Catching the stragglers is a tiresome job, but I'd be happy to do it, to  straighten out the confusion.  So, presumably I should begin by posting a request at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]? [[User:Deuterostome|Deuterostome]] ([[User talk:Deuterostome|talk]]) 14:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
::: That would be exactly correct. This will be a multi-move, to move the existing [[Amoeba]] to [[Amoeba (genus)]] and to move [[Amoeba (amoeboid organism)]] to [[Amoeba]]. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Boer War]] ==

I think you were over hasty to make a first comment at 17:53 and decide that you have an agreed solution at 19:15, when three out of three other editors have already said that they prefer the [[Boer War]] to redirect to the [[Second Boer War]]. What was the hurry? Why not wait a couple of days to see what the opinion was to your proposed solution? Also as I said on [[talk:Boer War]] discussion about the existence of [[Boer Wars]] should have been been held on [[talk:Boer Wars]]. 

BTW did you look at the history of [[Boer Wars]]? It was I who originally split the article [[Boer War]] into two articles [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Second_Boer_War&diff=27366008&oldid=27252477 Moving the page to Second Boer War] and splitting the content of First Boer War out into a new article [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=First_Boer_War&diff=27364259&oldid=16195671 back November 2005]. Having done that I made [[Boer War]] into a  [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Boer_Wars&oldid=27366286 dab page]. The page was moved to [[Boer Wars]] in April 2008‎ by Feydey. 

A revert of the page move from Boer War to Boer Wars and reverting to to a dab page is another solution that we did not have time to consider because of you hasty edits.

-- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 11:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to mention the reason for making it into a dab page at that time was 100s of link went into it for both wars, so having it as a dab page allowed for the fixing of those links. It took a long time and several of them were not changed because it was not possible to tell from the content of the article to which war Boer War the article was referring. It may be that this is still the case -- I don't know. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 12:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
: [[Boer Wars]] is not an ambiguous concept, per [[WP:DABCONCEPT]]. It is possible for someone to refer to the entire period as "the Boer Wars", which means that no matter how well you fix the incoming links at any given time, more will be made whenever someone wants to discuss the period as a whole. Some of these will be unfixable because they will not specifically reference one topic or the other, but both as a set. Another factor is that no discussion of either of the two wars is complete without mentioning the other, as demonstrated by the overlapping mentions in each of the two articles. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 12:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
:::I did not suggest such a dab page what I suggested on this talk page was a possible solution was "A revert of the page move from Boer War to Boer Wars", while making the point that you did not give us time to discuss this on the article talk pages,  because you came to the conversation and made a bold change within about 2 hours.  -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 14:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: There is nothing that I have done that can't be undone. However, as to those links that can not be "fixed" because you can't tell from the content of the article which Boer War was intended, that is handily dealt with by this solution. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

== ISIS stuff ==

I see the R discussion was closed about this. Do I need to do any gnoming to fix up hatnotes at those I mentioned? I don't touch articles while they are under discussion. Now it's finished, is there some gnoming to do? Happy to do it.

Your obedient gnome [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 22:20, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

: So far as I know the discussion at [[Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Move request - 6 September 2014]] is still open, but that is likely not going anywhere. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

==Consistency in article titles==
Hi there! Just wanted to let you know that if you decide to open an RfC to upgrade that essay, feel free to drop me a note so I could participate. Cheers,—[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky)]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;([[User talk:Ezhiki|yo?]]); <span class="nowrap">September 23, 2014</span>; 20:34 (UTC)
: Thanks - I will do so within the next few days. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

== [[:Draft:Congruence]] ==

Hi! Wouldn't it be better to just edit the main article [[Congruence]]? [[user:Crow|<span style="color:black;">'''Crow'''</span>]][[user talk:Crow|<sup style="color:black;"><small>''Caw''</small></sup>]] 19:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
: Why would that be better? It's a disambiguation page, until it is in good enough shape to be a primary topic article. The draft is not yet in that kind of shape. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:: I see where you're going. The draft just looked remarkably like the DAB, which I guess is to be expected for its age. This came up due to the CorenSearchBot tagging it as a copyvio, and the associated case it opens. Would you mind if I tag it with the Internal Copy template (on the talk page) so as to preserve attribution of edits? [[user:Crow|<span style="color:black;">'''Crow'''</span>]][[user talk:Crow|<sup style="color:black;"><small>''Caw''</small></sup>]] 23:14, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
::: Please, go ahead. Hopefully it won't look like the dab page for very much longer, as textual context is added which allows some of the dab links to be incorporated in a manner that explains how these concepts are related. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:21, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: Done, thanks! [[user:Crow|<span style="color:black;">'''Crow'''</span>]][[user talk:Crow|<sup style="color:black;"><small>''Caw''</small></sup>]] 23:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

== Bugs ==

For future reference, concerning your [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Northern_parula&curid=418255&diff=627469945&oldid=621833659 edit at Northern parula], if "bugs" are mentioned in a list of types of insects, it's obviously [[Hemiptera]] (true bugs) that is intended. &mdash;[[User talk:Innotata|''innotata'']] 23:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
* Thanks for the tip, I will keep that in mind in the future. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:32, 28 September 2014 (UTC)