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== My RfA ==

My [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sephiroth BCR|request for adminship]] was successful at 64/1/2! Many thanks for your participation and I will endeavor to meet your expectations. Cheers, <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:navy;">'''Sephiroth BCR'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">Converse</span>]])'''</sup></span> 09:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mario Party 8 ==
I wasn't replacing it for no reason. The North American version was what the article originally used before it was replaced (for no reason) by the European cover. If anything, I was improving the article by putting the original cover back in. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 07:24, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:It wasn't replaced for no reason.  I can't see the deleted previous versions, but the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Image:Mario_Party_8.jpg logs] show that it was deleted because it was unsourced.  A new version was uploaded, with adequate sourcing and rationale, that became the baseline.  I've been uploading quite a few box arts ([[Armored Core: Nine Breaker]], [[Flink]], [[Metal Slug Advance]]), especially given the spate of non-rationale deletions, I'd be pretty pissed off if other users failed to respect the effort and choices I'd made and instead wasted their time overwriting them. There are loads of games missing their covers, if you want to improve articles, then upload some new ones. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 17:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mid-core_gamer]] ==

Hi, would you consider re-phrasing your deletion comment for this article? It's the creator's first article, and he/she has actually been making an attempt to use citation templates properly. The editor is on the fence about continuing to contribute to Wikipedia as a hobby if this article is deleted. Thanks. [[User_talk:Sanchom|Sancho]] 03:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:The article should be deleted, but I have toned down my language.  The editor should be encouraged to visit [[WP:VG]], and the talk pages at [[WT:VG]], where others will be glad to help. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 17:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

== Magazine Request, EDGE April 2004 ==

Hi,

I noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Magazines#Edge here] that you may have the April 2004 issue of EDGE magazine. I was wondering if you could verify whether this issue is the one with [[Hideo Kojima]] and if the transcribed article [http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_features.php?id=141 here] is accurate. Thanks! [[User:Strongsauce|Strongsauce]] ([[User talk:Strongsauce|talk]]) 02:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:That article does not feature in Issue 135 April 2004 edition of Edge.  It's possible that the transcriber got the date wrong, as the April edition would have been released in March given that there are 13 issues every year.  If so, then you need Issue 136 May 2004, [[User:X201]] should have a copy of that article. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 13:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

== Magazine Review Request ==

Hello.  I am looking for a review of the game ''[[Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge]]'' from the magazine ''[[Edge]]''.  The archive stated it was in issue E131, which would be the Christmas issue.  The [[WP:VG/M]] page says you have the issue, and it would be very helpful.  Thank you.  --[[User:Hydrokinetics12|Hydrokinetics12]] ([[User talk:Hydrokinetics12|talk]]) 02:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's only a short review, so I've popped it up onto [http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9981/crimsonskiesbj2.jpg ImageShack].  Issue 131 - Christmas 2003, page 123. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 20:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you very much.  --[[User:Hydrokinetics12|Hydrokinetics12]] ([[User talk:Hydrokinetics12|talk]]) 15:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

==What the... ==
Oh you've missed a belter of a candidate for [[WP:LAME]] :)
I've been watching it for the past few days. It started with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Grand_Theft_Auto_IV&diff=199026483&oldid=199007468 this], developed into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grand_Theft_Auto_IV#PlayStation_or_360_first.3F this] and then erupted onto WP:VG where the initial dispute over the order of the Platform field got confused when the order of the Release Date field was dragged into it as well. You've missed a cracker here Hahnchen, you should have set your video for it ;-) - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 15:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:Fucking hell, they're actually arguing over which should come first in the platforms field? - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 16:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==[[Metroid (series)]]==
I replaced the image, let me know if there are any other concerns, I would like to get a support sometime soon :) LOL [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 15:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

== Burnout.jpg ==


[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|48px|left]] A tag has been placed on [[:Image:Burnout.jpg]], requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

{{center|'''''it's a unused, duplicate'''''}}

Under the [[WP:CSD#General_criteria|criteria for speedy deletion]], articles that do not meet  basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please [[Wikipedia:Your first article|see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article]], and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add <code>{{tl|hangon}}</code> on the top of the page and leave a note on [[Talk:Image:Burnout.jpg|the article's talk page]] explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)|for biographies]], [[WP:WEB|for web sites]], [[WP:BAND|for bands]], or [[WP:CORP|for companies]]. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.<!-- Template:Nn-warn-reason -->  [[User:Weirdy|Unknown User]] ([[User talk:Weirdy|talk]]) 09:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:What was the point in that?  The image is appropriately named, rationaled and tagged.  Your time would be a lot better spent uploading cover art for articles which do not already have them, [[TimeSplitters]] for example. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 14:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Re: [[Spyro 3]] FAC ==

Sales info has been added in. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]<sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#993300;">talk</span>]]</small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 14:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Oops, i missed your edit! I'll take a look at the article and see if there's anything worth adding. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]<sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#993300;">talk</span>]]</small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 14:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I’ve added in the info under development, I guess that’s the best place for it. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]<sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#993300;">talk</span>]]</small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 16:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Byron Review ==

Cheers, and a good point about no "The" - I have no idea what came over me to put one on there ... [[User:Xevious|Tim (Xevious)]] ([[User talk:Xevious|talk]]) 18:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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== [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]] ==

I am removing this image from [[Twiggy]] again. The reason is simple. The Foundation has stated that fair use images are not acceptable for things for which a free use image might be obtainable. Please see [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]] (which was released ''after'' the DRV for this image and after discussion concluded on the image's talk page). In particular, it says this policy Also note that page says this applies for "almost all portraits of living notable individuals". Also note that the top of the page says "The content of this page is an official policy approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. This policy may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored on local Wikimedia projects." The decision of the [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 7|DRV]], which had a number of dissenting opinions, can not erode the Foundation's policy. It is also important to note that her modeling career is but one aspect of her entire career, which has and is covering decades of work. To make an argument that this one image is indicative and expressive of her entire career is weak at best. How she looks now is every bit as important as how she looked then for depiction purposes. If an editor wants to use that image in a particular section of the article where substantial commentary exists about the image (there's barely a reference now), that would be one thing. To use it to depict this person violates Foundation policy. Further, it also violates [[Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria]] clause 1 for replaceability,  clause 3a for minimal usage, and clause 8 for lack of significance. Further still, it appears no efforhttp://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hahnchen&action=edit&section=13
Editing User talk:Hahnchen (section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediat has been made to obtain release rights to the image under a free license. It appears the rights to the image are held Brian Aris, whose contact information is available at http://www.brianarisonline.com/index06k.html. I recommend contacting him for such rights. The effort should be made. Alternatively, you can contact Twiggy via http://www.twiggylawson.co.uk/contact.html to obtain an alternate free license image. If no effort is made to obtain a free license image via these sources, any argument saying this image is irreplaceable by a free image is false on the face of it. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 19:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
*You've made no discernible effort to engage in discussion on this point, nor any apparent effort to obtain release of rights to the image in question. I've reverted you. I '''strongly''' recommend you reconsider further efforts to force this image back onto the article, when it stands so blatantly in violation of the Foundation's opinion on such images, which was published ''after'' the DRV. The DRV can not and will not supercede the Foundation's dictum. If you still insist this image should be on the article, make your case at [[Wikipedia:Fair use review]]. Thank you, --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 18:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
**I've been fairly busy as can be seen from my lack of editting recently.  I understand that the Foundation decree was made after the DRV, but I also believe that the image is in accordance to the Foundation opinion.  The whole discussion at the DRV concerned the exact concept of fair use images in living people as the foundation dictum, you should not remove the image without any discussion.  How did you find out that the rights were held by Brian Aris?  At the time, I contacted MovieMarket, who resold the image, and also the Twiggy site webmaster.  MovieMarket could offer no help on who held the rights, and understandbly could not release the rights.  I received no reply from the Twiggy site. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 11:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
**Incidentally, I have not re-added the image because there is currently a "free use" image.  The validity of which I am strongly doubting. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 11:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
***On source rights; The image description page lists [http://www.twiggylawson.co.uk/twiggydownload2.jpg] as the source. Going to the base address of that web site, at the bottom of the page we can see "Photos © Brian Aris Archive".
***The issue with the image isn't so much that it's fair use, it's ''how'' it's being used. A number of editors, myself included, routinely remove images like this of living people when they are used as the primary depiction image on the article. When an image like this is used inline in the article, to critically supplement the article, it's quite often never touched. So, if for example the image were thumbnail size in the section on her modeling career, its likely nobody would raise any objection. Alternatively, if it were used on [[Mary Quant]] or [[Mod (lifestyle)]] as crucially illustrative of Quant's work or the mod lifestyle in particular, nobody would likely raise an objection. The core issue here is the image is used for depiction purposes. 
***Images that are used for depiction purposes of living people are, in practice, never fair use images. The Foundation's dictum on this allows a small window of opportunity, but in practice it is written that way to allow for unforeseen circumstances. The situation here with regards to this article is a routine situation. 
***Ms. Lawson is alive and well and still active in the entertainment industry. I'm personally lenient on fair use images of living people who are quite old, and haven't been in the public eye for more than ten years. That's not the case here. She's not all that old (59), and is still very much in the public eye having appeared on television just last month. Even so, when a person is old it does not mean a free license image can not be obtained. Take for example [[John Wooden]]. This guy is ''97 years old''. One might think it'd be impossible to get a free license image of him. But it's not; he routinely appears at basketball games for UCLA, despite his age. I stumbled across the image that is on the article for him from a government website, which made it free license. The thing here is, with living people, it is possible to obtain free imagery. The line in the sand that the Foundation draws is whether the person is alive or not. Even after death, free license imagery might be obtained, but the Foundation allows fair use for dead people. 
***So, the shakeout of this is that if you want to use [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]], it's ok to use it to directly and critically supplement a segment of an article, but not purely for depicting that person as free imagery can potentially be obtained. If the image is used in this way, the rationale must contain a statement on the purpose of use of the image showing how the image can not be replaced in its function for the article and why the image must be used. Right now, the rationale fails on these points as it does not explain why this image must be used. I hope this helps, --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
****I'm not disputing that a free-use image could be taken of her to use as primary identification/depiction.  What I have argued, is that even if we did have a free-use image of current day Twiggy, an image of her from the past would be necessary for the article.  If you read the arguments put forward in the [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 7|DRV]] and on [[Image talk:Twiggy promo.jpg]], you'll see that the image wasn't ''purely'' for depicting that person.  I thought the rationale was specific enough by highlighting it was from a specific period in her career, but if you feel that needs expanding then please do so.  Note that when I originally uploaded the image into the article, the ''only'' place for it was in the infobox due to the article size.  With the article in its current condition, I would be OK with the image in the second paragraph.  That doesn't mean infoboxes should be treated as separate entities, it doesn't mean you can brush off fair use images without discussion using a condescending "The reason is simple".  If you had properly read and dissolved the arguments beforehand, you wouldn't have believed that because arguments happened before the dictum, they had absolutely no weight. I have emailed the Brian Aris archives. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 17:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
*****I'm sorry you feel I've been condescending. No such attempt was made by me. Any further comments regarding me I think would be inappropriate. Comment on my edits, thank you. 
*****As for the rationale, it's still woefully inadequate and I'm still hard pressed to understand why this particular image absolutely must be in the article. Thanks for contacting Brian Aris. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 17:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
******Well, the wrong answer was "the reason is simple", instant removal of the image.  Had I not been active on Wikipedia, or had I just been plain apathetic, that would have been another really useful encyclopedic image deleted. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 18:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
*******To you, it's useful. To me, I see a replaceable fair use image that doesn't have much reason for being here. The article runs just fine without the image, and if the image was so important why is it that [[Mary Quant]]'s work and the entire [[Mod (lifestyle)]] article have no images at all? I also do not see how this one image is important to the article in that it depicts only a short period of her career relative to all of her other works. I just don't see it as necessary. You do. But, we are after all the free encyclopedia. And really, the reason is simple. It's covered by just a handful of sentences across two policy pages. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 18:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
********You could have garnered all that information regarding my position on the image, which is supported by others, from the DRV.  You could have messaged me beforehand instead of just dismissing all prior arguments because it happened after the publication of a foundation statement that in this case, matters little, as the same issues were already discussed. [[Mod (lifestyle)]] could easily do with images, select fair use images would be OK, but given that it was an entire lifestyle, I'm sure that it'd be easier to source free use images given that it was absolutely everywhere. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 18:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
*********I'm sorry you disagree with the Foundation's stance on the issue. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 18:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
**********I don't.  I believe that fair use images should only be used if they're not replaceable, I believe that fair use images for Mods would be. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 11:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
***********Fair use images have to jump through a lot more hoops than just whether or not they are replaceable. So you see, it does seem you disagree with our policies. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 13:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
************Obviously, there has to be considerations over the images usefulness, an encyclopedic requirements.  They were taken as said, but if it helps you by writing off my opinions as maverick an unmutual with policy, that's fine.  For the mod article to approach anywhere near featured article status, it'd need images. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 14:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
*Oh yes, I quite enjoy writing off people's opinions if they disagree with mine <rolls eyes>. As for an article reaching featured status, fair use images are ''not'' required for an image to reach featured status. Plenty of FAs have zero fair use images. For example, [[Ima Hogg]]. I still feel the Twiggy image is replaceable. There's nothing stopping anyone from dressing up a model to imitate the look she modelled, and caption it as "an example of the fashion Twiggy helped to promote". If we can't make headway on this, I'll eventually place the image for fair use review, which is the next logical step since it's pretty obvious we aren't going to agree. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 14:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
**I didn't say it needed fair use imagery, I said it needs images.  When you blanket statements like "you disagree with the Foundation's stance", you need some kind of backing argument, rather than just second guessing my thoughts. I'm sorry that you fail to not appear condescending. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 18:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
***Well, let me try a little harder at it then whilst I read up the story about how it takes two to dance. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 19:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

==Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion==
[[Image:Replace this image female.svg|right]]
Hi. I'm sending this to you because you participated in the [[Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Image placeholders|Centralized discussion on image placeholders]] that ended on 23 April.

That discussion must produce a conclusion. 

We originally asked '' "Should the addition of this box'' [example right] ''be allowed? Does the placeholder system and graphic image need to be improved to satisfy policies and guidelines for inclusion? Is it appropriate to some kinds of biographies, but not to others?" '' (See [[Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Image placeholders/Archive 2|introduction]]).

Conclusions to centralized discussions are either marked as 'policy', 'guideline', 'endorsed', 'rejected', 'no consensus', or 'no change' etc. We should now decide for this discussion.

Please read and approve or disapprove the section here: '''[[Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Image_placeholders#Conclusion|Conclusion]]''' --[[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] ([[User talk:Kleinzach|talk]]) 11:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

<small>''Please note this message conforms to [[WP:CANVASSING]] and has not been sent to anyone has not already participated in the centralized discussion.''</small>

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] ==

Your concerns have been addressed. <span style="font-size: 1.1em;">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">Gary</span>&nbsp;<b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:small;">([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 20:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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==incite magazine request==
Hey, I was wondering if I could request the ''[[Space Invaders]]'' game review in issue 4 (March 2000) of incite magazine. Thank you. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 21:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC))
:I don't have access to that issue right now.  I will be able to get hold of it in summer (late June/early July), but the review is of a 2000 re-release as seen at [http://uk.pc.ign.com/objects/013/013718.html IGN]. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 16:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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== Please be civil ==

Please be civil and do not curse like you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#TopTenReviews_is_a_s-----_source_for_games_reception_data.2C_and_shouldn.27t_be_touched here] please see [[Wikipedia:Civil|WP: CIVIL]][[User:Gears of War|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:small; color:Red;">'''Gears'''</span>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:small; color:black;">'''Of War'''</span>]] 02:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Don't break header titles, it means that links in edit summaries are broken.  Wikipedia isn't censored, especially it's talk pages.  If you think that the use of crappy, or rubbish, instead of the word shitty is appropriate then that's your decision when you start discussions.  My prose has remained civil throughout. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 02:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ha ha ha, funny, last time I checked, saying that something some one says is BS is not exactly civil. And niether is the actual work in the contents. Wikipedia does not only have older editors but children 10 and under also edit on Wikipedia and they should not be exposed to that dude it's un called for, just please try not to curse so frekin much k?[[User:Gears of War|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:small; color:Red;">'''Gears'''</span>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:small; color:black;">'''Of War'''</span>]] 02:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Forgive the intrusion, but...
:::hahnchen, while you have consistently exhibited good judgment in editing and discussions, I have to agree that the use of foul language is generally not necessary; just my personal opinion. And while there is technically nothing in [[WP:CIVIL]] that prohibits the general use of it, I'm sure you can understand if others might construe cursing as uncivil. 
:::Gears, while I agree with your point, I'm sure you can agree that beginning a response sarcastically can most times instigate a situation. Each party has expressed their view points and there is no need to continue a discussion that may lead to hostile relations. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 03:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC))
:If you take offense to the swearing, just say so.  I swear a lot in every day speech, I am in Britain after all.  In general I don't see how the words fuck and shit are any different to screw and crap.  Eamon got a number one in the UK with a song title using the word fuck, Penn and Teller have a show dedicated to bullshit.  What I don't appreciate are the meaningless generic links to Wikipedia guidelines on my talk page without any context. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 23:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay thanks fr clearing it up, I did not intend to offend. Friends?[[User:Gears of War|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:small; color:Red;">'''Gears'''</span>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:small; color:black;">'''Of War'''</span>]] 00:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Look, it's cool.  Just give more context to warnings in general, if you found the text offensive, then say so.  If you thought the language got in the way of communication, then mention it.  Just linking to guidelines does nothing.  I would have been a lot more likely to alter the text had you asked and not just altered it yourself. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 01:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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==Stop==
You cannot remove my comments from Mike's talk page - please read and make sure you understand [[WP:TALK]]. You are right to remove it from NeoGAF and PS3, but the user talk page it must stay. You cannot [[WP:IAR|ignore]] all rules over something as simple as this. Another thing, to be a sockpuppet, you need to have an account - which I don't have. Also, please read up on [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] - comments such as "piss off" are not welcome or necessary. The only reasons I can see for you wanting to have my comment removed is either:-
*You are a blind Xbox fanboy who doesn't want an negative comments about MS on WIkipedia.
*You are an MS PR guy as well, so you're trying to keep it quiet
*You are in fact Mike Zoran, and you don't want these facts known about you.
Whatever your reasons, you are wrong to remove it, and those comments will stay on that page. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/124.186.191.119|124.186.191.119]] ([[User talk:124.186.191.119|talk]]) 05:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:Don't bullshit me, I can do what the hell I want with this talk page.  Right now, I'm giving you the privilege of my time in answering your ridiculous claims.  You don't have an account?  I doubt it, who else would come up with all this [[WP:RANDOM]] [[WP:LETTERS]] [[WP:CRAP]]?  I've not read [[WP:TALK]], I don't intend to, it's a guideline, follow those if you wish.  I use common sense on user talk pages, I don't have to adhere to fucking guidelines when the user obviously doesn't want your material there, and when that material is slander.  Because that kind of breaks [[WP:BLP]], which is policy.  Continually posting your rants on Mgoblue's talk page, and article talk pages clearly breaks the [[WP:DICK]] rule.

:Have you read [[WP:NPA]]?  Do you know what a personal attack is?  An attack that focuses on the person, such as calling someone a cunt[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_mgoblue&diff=prev&oldid=224519078], or continually posting a character assassination on a user talk page.  Does that sound familiar?

:And I'm either one of the three that you mention?  You're joking right?  That's pathetic, I could be fucking all of them, there's no either about it.  Here's another one, maybe, I just don't like it when people vandalise articles to post their own little rants.  Seriously, trying to "recruit" the VGChartz crowd to "help you out"?  VGChartz?  A community based around a website which steals NPD data so you can have your console pissing matches?  You're stooping low, what next, the GameFAQs crowd?  How about the Smashboards? - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 19:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, you seem like a very intelligent, respectable person after that. His fucking talk page is not an article, idiot, so it's not vandalism. What a fucking hypocrite you are - you won't fucking adhere to [[WP:NPA]] or [[WP:CIVIL]], but you get up other people for not following them? Jesus Christ you fucking pansy, grow up. If you really aren't this Mike Zoran, then you have no interest in the matter - '''so get the fuck out'''. It's that fucking simple. Another thing, it's not fucking slander if it's true - his job with MS has been confirmed ages ago. Even if it was slander - which it isn't - [[WP:BLP]] wouldn't cover it as a user talk page is not a biographical article. And [[WP:DICK]]? WTF? That's not even up to "guidline" status - it's a fucking essay.

I couldn't care less if you keep reverting the talk page - I'll just revert back. If you get it Semi-protected, I'll just create an account. If you get it fully protected, then he can no longer add bullshit to it. Then if I fuckign want to, I'll create an account, and put all the true info about him on my user page, then link it to his page, just to let the actual good editors (you know, the ones who aren't you) know about his agenda. You truly are pathetic if you wanna fight over this - you shoudl never have gotten involved in the first place, but being the fucking British egomaniac you are, you couldn't help but stick your nose into someone else's business.

Jesu Christ, get a real job cunt. [[Special:Contributions/60.228.218.179|60.228.218.179]] ([[User talk:60.228.218.179|talk]]) 06:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:Since your last update, I actually went to take a look at [[WP:TALK]], you really shouldn't cite it in your shitty poorly thought out arguments.  Usually, people reference pages which support their position, you chose to cite a page which refuted your argument - [[WP:TALK#User_talk_pages]].  Top class logic.

:I never claimed to adhere to [[WP:CIVIL]], my edit history and talk pages attest to that.  What I don't do, is bandy them about like they matter, anyone who does is just using them as a diversionary tactic because their real arguments are pathetic.  What you saw above, was not "getting up at people", but throwing back your own arguments in your hypocritical face.

:When I spot people posting ill conceived rants in the article space, I chase it up.  When they then post bullshit in the edit summaries about [[WP:TALK]] meaning that you can't remove slander from your own talk page, I chase it up.  When that user is obviously familiar with Wikipedia guidelines, and revert wars using dynamic IP accounts, I'll stick my nose in.  It's kind of cathartic to dismiss someone's arguments out right, and then telling them to piss off.  Don't go too hard on yourself, buddy. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 20:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

==Mike_mgoblue==

Thank you for defending me and offering advice, Hahnchen. I think it is a terrible shame that there is a person who is attempting to spread false information about me [Michael Zoran] on the Internet. I have updated my Discussion Page so that it specifically handles each situation. I have corrected some of the grammar errors, too. If you want to talk with me online, please feel free to do so. Any advice you can offer me would be appreciated. Sincerely, [[User:Mike mgoblue|Mike mgoblue]] ([[User talk:Mike mgoblue|talk]]) 17:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:As I mentioned, it's your talk page, police it how you want.  Don't let people intimidate you with rules, it's usually a diversionary tactic when there's something broken in their argument.  If you carry on getting more stuff from anonymous editors thrown at you, you can ask for an admin to semi-protect your user and talk pages so that only users registered may post at [[WP:RFPP]]. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 20:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

==Image wanted==
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== 4X FAC ==

Thanks for reviewing the images and fair use justifications for the [[4X]] article. [[User:Masem]] also looked at similar issues, and I took the time to address his comments. I figure you're busy, but I would appreciate it if you found a moment to check in at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/4X]], just to let me know if I've addressed the issues you've identified. Thanks again. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 19:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sam & Max development information? ==

You say you have a print article relating to the development of [[Sam & Max Hit the Road]]? What's in it, anything useful that could be used in the article? -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 18:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, definitely.  It's a "Making of" article, [[Retro Gamer]] catches up with Steve Purcell and he discusses the development of the game.  I dug around my archives a bit and found out that I also have the article that I mentioned Miremare had, but it turns out that isn't too useful.  If you send me an email using the "E-mail this user" button to the right, I'll respond with the attached articles. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 18:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:Ok, email sent. I've not used the email function on Wikipedia before, hope it all goes fine. I shan't email Miremare if the article isn't that useful then. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 18:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:Email received. Certainly looks like quite a bit of information sitting in these articles, I'll read them over and get the stuff in. Thanks Hahnchen! If you happen to come across any contempory reviews, please do tell me. Most of the few I've found have been retrospective reviews, which as you say aren't that brilliant. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 18:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:Can you give me some dates for the two magazines? I can't find one on the front cover of either in the files you've sent. A year and a month (if possible) would be great for the references. I've somewhat expanded the article with the Making of source by the way, I trust it looks right to your eyes (although I imagine a bit of a copyedit may be necessary for context with the adventure game mechanics). -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 12:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::Retro Gamer don't explicitly mention the month of publication, but that issue corresponds to March 2006.  You should also credit the author, Ashley Day.  I'm not sure when the Games TM Retro compilation was released, it was a one off.  You could ask around on the Games TM forum if it's important - http://gamestm.co.uk/forum, I don't think it is. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 18:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, I thought it might be another full magazine, as it said "Volume 1". I'll shove the date and the author into the Retro Gamer reference, thanks. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 18:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't suppose I could ask you for some help regarding the game's reception section? Everytime I try to write it, I simply cannot find the words I need. The sources are there, along with the review you gave, there's the few on Game Rankings that can be used as well as the Allgame and Egde ones, but I'm just struggling to write the damned thing. Any assistance you could give with dealing with the reception section would be greatly appreciated. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 11:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:I actually think there's not enough available right now to write a featured level reception section.  Ideally you'd want reviews from the games press back in the early 90s, which would include titles such as [[PC Zone]] and [[Computer Gaming World]].  I don't know of anyone who has access to them.  As for the prose, I don't really have time for any writing, but right now, it's lacking any response to the gameplay/puzzle design.  You might want to see if you can tie in the graphics' reception with the new SCUMM version it used.  Sorry I can't be of much help. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 11:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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==Comment about [[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games]]==
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The list isn't a part of the article being featured. This post (found here: [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Olympic_Games]]): ''With discussion in three different places aobut the list of events, no clear consensus has emerged to convince me I should hold off promotion over that issue. I do hope the involved Projects will work to develop a guideline for future articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)''. So it being in the article when it was promoted or not, isn't relevant to it's value at all. However the part about a consensus is wrong. Only a small amount of editors (with you the only one edit warring regularly, to re-add the list) want the list. Stop being difficult and accept the fact the consensus is against the list. How many people against the list do you need, before you stop edit warring: 10, 20, 100? Just stop edit warring, this is getting old. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] ([[User talk:RobJ1981|talk]]) 16:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:The closing comment specifically states there was no clear consensus over the inclusion of the list.  Take a look at the discussions, the majority of editors have declared a non-commital response as to the inclusion of the list, that's a clear no-consensus.  Your clear cut declaration of what falls into Wikipedia, and what is [[WP:NOT]] was also not supported.  Please address the comments at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Mario_.26_Sonic_at_the_Olympic_Games_list_problems_again]] instead of taking it here. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 03:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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Please keep discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Mario_.26_Sonic_at_the_Olympic_Games_list_problems_again]]. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 03:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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