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== Administrators' newsletter – June 2017 ==

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[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (May 2017).

[[File:Admin mop.PNG|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes''' {{anchor|adminchanges}}
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added]] [[Special:Permalink/778251553#Resysop_request_.28Doug_Bell.29|Doug Bell]] • [[Special:Permalink/779076617#Bit_please|Dennis Brown]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Clpo13 2|Clpo13]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ONUnicorn|ONUnicorn]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed]] [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2017#May 2017|ThaddeusB]] • [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2017#May 2017|Yandman]] • [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2017#May 2017|Bjarki S]] • [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2017#May 2017|OldakQuill]] • [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2017#May 2017|Shyam]] • [[Special:Permalink/778574928#User:Jondel_desysop_request|Jondel]] • [[Special:Permalink/779858698#Bit_removal|Worm That Turned]]

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:*An [[Special:Permalink/779719554#RfC:_LTA_Knowledgebase|RfC]] proposing an off-wiki [[WP:LTA|LTA]] database has been closed. The proposal was broadly supported, with further discussion required regarding what to do with the existing LTA database and defining access requirements. Such a tool/database formed part of the [[:meta:Community health initiative|Community health initiative]]'s successful [[:File:Wikimedia Foundation grant proposal - Anti-Harassment Tools For Wikimedia Projects - 2017.pdf|grant proposal]].
:* Some [[Special:Permalink/781458033#Proposed clarifying change here and to blocking policy|clarifications have been made]] to the [[WP:CBAN|community banning]] and [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Unblocking|unblocking]] policies that effectively sync them with current practice. Specifically, the community has reached a consensus that when blocking a user at [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]], it is considered a "community sanction", and administrators cannot unblock unilaterally if the user has not successfully [[Wikipedia:Banning policy#Appeals of bans imposed by the community|appealed]] the sanction to the community.
:* An [[Special:PermanentLink/782758635#WP:COSMETICBOT update|RfC]] regarding the [[Wikipedia:Bot policy|bot policy]] has closed with changes to the section describing [[WP:COSMETICBOT|restrictions on cosmetic changes]].

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== Lindsey Grayzel sources ==

I'm building a new article at [[User:Bri/Lindsey Grayzel]], about the Portland filmmaker. Are you aware of any good sources on Grayzel prior to the 2016 Skagit County event? - [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 17:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Bri}} Hey! Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Grayzel at all. Maybe post a similar note at WikiProject Oregon? ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

==Wiki Loves Pride==
Hello, I just got your two messages on my page about the Wiki Edu article I'm featured in and Wiki loves Pride. I wanted to say thank you for thinking of me, I definitely want to participate in this event! I think I have a good idea for an article I want to start. Hope to be able to share it with you soon. [[User:Kmwebber|Kmwebber]] ([[User talk:Kmwebber|talk]]) 20:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kmwebber}} Sounds great! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

==''Drag Race'' Pages==
[[File:Kim Chi at RuPaul's Dragcon 2017 by dvsross.jpg|thumb|right|Kim Chi! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)]]

Please stop creating pages for the drag queens of season 9. Sasha Velour has been determined via discussion to not be notable enough for a page. The others are also like her, and are not notable enough. Please stop creating pages for them. [[User:Oath2order|Oath2order]] [[User talk:Oath2order|(talk)]] 15:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Oath2order}} I disagree, but I'll stop creating contestant pages and move on to other areas of the encyclopedia. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:36, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

== ''RPDR'' alum==
You recently invited me to start working on ''RPDR'' contestant pages, which I'm interested in helping out with. Today I created an article on [[Kim Chi (drag queen)|Kim Chi]], which is just a starting off point. If you want to give it a gander and expand anything I'm missing, feel free! Hope you're doing well. --[[User:Kbabej|Kbabej]] ([[User talk:Kbabej|talk]]) 21:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kbabej}} Fantastic, thank you! I've been getting pushback creating entries for current contestants, but hopefully articles for past contestants won't be as problematic. Thanks for contributing to this campaign! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 23:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

== WikiLGBT on Twitter!  ==

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*'''For more information about Wiki Loves Pride,''' [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride| → click here ←]].
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== March for Science Portland ==
[[File:March For Science PDX (34250021585).jpg|thumb|right|March for Science Portland]]
Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article [[March for Science Portland]] has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Good luck with the GAN.

Regards,

[[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 20:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Twofingered Typist}} Thank you! I will take a look at your edits now. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 23, 2017) ==
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== Thanks for noticing !  ==
Thanks for noticing the new article I created on the book ''[[The Case for Impeachment]]'' ! What do you think of the article ? [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 17:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Sagecandor}} I have not read the article in its entirety, but appreciate your work on this and will try to take another look before or during the Good article nomination. Best of luck with the article's promotion! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 18:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks ! [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 18:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

== ''Oregon Encyclopedia'' ==
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Please tell me that you are in fact writing stubs for each thing the OE has scooped us on?!!! [[User:Valfontis|Valfontis]] ([[User talk:Valfontis|talk]]) 00:58, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Valfontis}} Hello! Glad to see you editing. I'm going through the list of OE subjects and seeing which ones are missing here. I'm skipping some, but I also hope to create many new stubs. I'd actually consider copying over a list of all OE entries and starting a check list here, but only if other folks wanted to help out and there was interest in collaboration. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::Cool! I don't think those things ever get much traction anymore but a list would be handy. If {{ping|Tedder}} or {{ping|EncMstr}} or somebody still had the time to run some sort of script that compared WP:ORE's list with what OE has, I would find that mighty interesting. [[User:Valfontis/Oregon Companion|I have a list]] of all the topics the ''Oregon Companion'' has that we don't, which has been getting chipped away at slowly. You just knocked off one from that list with [[Leo Adler]]. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Oregon Encyclopedia|Aunt Betty]] would be proud! [[User:Valfontis|Valfontis]] ([[User talk:Valfontis|talk]]) 01:33, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::: If someone else has the ability to run a script, that'd be great. I'd be willing to put together a list manually if there is interest, but otherwise I'll just keep plugging away at the OE list over time. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:34, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: I'm game for producing such a list.  How do I find a complete list of OE has?  —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] ([[user talk:EncMstr|talk]]) 21:01, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::::: {{Ping|EncMstr}} Fantastic! See [https://oregonencyclopedia.org/entries/ here]. I just posted about this on the WPORE talk page, if you prefer to reply there. Thanks for your help! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay, I created an XML list of all 1498 articles presently listed (it required 26 copy and pastes).  It will take some work to match them (or not) with Wikipedia articles because the articles sometimes are sometimes ''creatively'' named.  Like [https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/washington_territory_1853/ Creation of Washington Territory, 1853].  I'll toy with some rules to translate most of the names correctly and post a table that people can work on.  —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] ([[user talk:EncMstr|talk]]) 23:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::: {{Ping| EncMstr}} Thank you! And if translations are not possible or problematic, I think matching OE entries with WP equivalents will be a fun little puzzle. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::::You're welcome.  I am 25% through the transformation but have to stop for the evening.  It is more tedious than I expected because OE is inconsistent in their naming.  Often people have years (''Joe Jones (1790-1850)''), but sometimes they do not.  Sometimes it is ''Community of Sometown''; other times it is ''Sometown''.  Then there are topics like ''[[East Indians of Oregon and the Ghadar Party]]'' which I try a few guesses, but I'm just going to leave it redlinked.  It will probably take a few days to complete.  —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] ([[user talk:EncMstr|talk]]) 01:02, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::::: {{Ping|EncMstr}} Hey, take your time, and don't put more time on this task than you wish. I don't mind matching articles, but I do appreciate your work thus far. I'm really curious to see what percentage of OE entries have WP equivalents. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
{{outdent}} WP:ORE collaboration at its best! Over 10 years and still running strong(ish)! [[User:Valfontis|Valfontis]] ([[User talk:Valfontis|talk]]) 18:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Like}} ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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== Nomination of [[:LGBT culture in Vancouver]] for deletion ==
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[:LGBT culture in Vancouver]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LGBT culture in Vancouver]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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== Existence of LGBT culture challenged ==

[[File:DavieVillage-1.png|thumb|Davie Village, Vancouver]]
AB, I commented at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LGBT culture in Vancouver]] as you probably noticed. I wonder if it's worth a village pump discussion to try to head off meritless challenges. Thinking out loud, if a community has official recognition (this image for example) then it could be presumed notable? Have you had this issue with other geo-based LGBT culture articles? - [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 19:47, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Bri}} Thanks for commenting. I don't think you could get buy-in re: presumed notability, and actually even I would argue that WP:GNG is what's most important. But come on... deleting an article about LGBT culture in Vancouver? That's absolutely absurd, and frankly the discussion is just a waste of editors' time. Sometimes (not in this case) I think some subtle anti-LGBT bias comes into play, but what's even more frustrating is how often articles are immediately nominated for deletion, which then prompts drive-by votes to delete articles. It's quite obnoxious, but I've learned to not take things personally and just let folks do what they please -- I'll spend my energy elsewhere. If the community isn't really to dedicate itself towards covering certain topics, then I can't spend my time fighting to save every single article, even when I know a topic is notable. The community will get around to covering the topic eventually. I know I create a lot of stubs, and sometimes I should spend more time expanding articles to reduce the number of AfD notifications on my talk page, but in the end, the vast majority of stubs I create are kept. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
: BTW, it's quite remarkable how many major cities ''don't'' have articles about LGBT culture or the history of the local gay community (see [[Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Pride/Tasks#Culture_by_location|here]], for a few examples). Much, much work to be done, but sometimes filling in those gaps is difficult when editors face unnecessary resistance. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::I hear you, one must pick battles. I do think the community might be open to the idea that, say, the top 20 metro regions of North America have presumed notability for ''LGBT culture of &lt;region>'', and further pointless debates can be avoided. - [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 20:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Bri}} I do think each of these cities would qualify for articles, but I don't think the community would endorse presumed notability, nor do I know where this discussion would take place. I'd love to see editors come together and create dozens of new LGBT culture articles, but interest and participation in Wiki Loves Pride is limited. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
{{outdent}} {{Ping|Bri}} <nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki> When [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FLGBT_culture_in_Vancouver&type=revision&diff=786717860&oldid=786176879 a category is deemed a suitable replacement for an article about a major city's LGBT culture]... Gah!---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 24, 2017) ==
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== ''This Month in GLAM'': May 2017 ==

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* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Argentina report|Argentina report]]: #1lib1ref in Buenos Aires, Participation in WikiCite and the editing challenge of the month
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Australia and New Zealand report|Australia and New Zealand report]]: State Library of Western Australia
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Belgium report|Belgium report]]: Wikipedia session for museums; education for library staff
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Brazil report|Brazil report]]: Articulating new volunteers
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Côte d'Ivoire report|Côte d'Ivoire report]]: Preparing a Wikimedia 2030 workshop with GLAM partners
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/France report|France report]]: Rennes Archives; Archives Nationales
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Germany report|Germany report]]: Central Public Library of Düsseldorf
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Ireland report|Ireland report]]: Terry Pratchett workshop
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Italy report|Italy report]]: Sacred art and videogames
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Macedonia report|Macedonia report]]: From idea to award; ArchiWiki edit-a-thon
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Netherlands report|Netherlands report]]: The Mind of the Universe; Photos of Syria; Wikipedian in Residence project Memory of the World
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Spain report|Spain report]]: Releasement of images from National Museum of Ceramics and Decorative Arts
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Sweden report|Sweden report]]: Connected Open Heritage; Sounds of Changes
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/UK report|UK report]]: Spreading Enlightenment
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/USA report|USA report]]: Artworks Challenge, Women/Media Edit-a-thon, D.C. Protests caught on .jpg, and lots in Wikipedia + Libraries
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Wikidata report|Wikidata report]]: WikiCite, new tools, and more
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/WMF GLAM report|WMF GLAM report]]: Documentation, Categorization and Reviewing what we know!
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/May 2017/Contents/Events|Calendar]]: June's GLAM events

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==Thanks==
I knew Ben well. Good to see the pages about him and his enjoyable projects. Thanks for all the thanks, and for your good work. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 23:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Randy Kryn}} The article about Ben was created during this year's inaugural [[WP:420|420 collaboration]], which we plan to repeat next year if you have any interest. Happy editing! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 23:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

== Great idea ==

I never thought about alphabetizing the WikiProjects on talkpages, and after I saw you do it, I thought, "What a great idea!"  Ten years in, and I'm still learning new stuff, so thank you for that. :) --[[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]] ([[User talk:Rosiestep|talk]]) 00:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Rosiestep}} Hah! I'm a bit obsessed with alphabetizing article categories and WikiProject banners on talk pages. Now and then, someone will get their feathers ruffled because "alphabetical seems arbitrary", but over the years I've had many more people thank me for alphabetizing, not the other way around. Happy editing, and see you soon! :p ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

== [[Me Too (Meghan Trainor song)|"Me Too" (Meghan Trainor song)]] ==

I whipped up some stuff for this tragic article. Do you think this much is enough to try and get it GA-nommed? I see it was on your list.--[[User:Beachey23|Beachey23]] ([[User talk:Beachey23|talk]]) 10:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beachey23}} Nice work! Thanks for taking time to improve the article. I see you've already nominated it for Good status, but I went ahead and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMe_Too_%28Meghan_Trainor_song%29&type=revision&diff=786157992&oldid=786157587 pinged the members of WikiProject Meghan Trainor] to see if they have any other suggestions for the article. Thanks, and good luck with the review! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks for the copyedit help ==

Thanks for the copyedit help recently.

You may enjoy new articles I've written just quite recently, one could say on subjects from opposing perspectives, ''[[Time to Get Tough]]'' and ''[[Insane Clown President]]''.

Let me know what you think of my new article writing creations. [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 15:34, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping| Sagecandor}} Thanks for sharing these links. I haven't read the articles in-depth, but I've made some improvements to both. Feel free to share your work at WikiProject Donald Trump, too if you'd like more feedback from editors. Best of luck with the good article nominations! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you ! [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 17:54, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 25, 2017) ==


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== If you want get good educational success for happy times for having careers ==

then you should read ''[[Trump 101]]''.

Enjoy ! [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 03:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
: I'll never read a book by Trump, lol. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::I hear ya. [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 16:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::You're both in luck. Trump apparently never even ''read'' this book, let alone wrote it. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 06:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

==FAC==
Hello again! I hope that everything is going well for you. If possible, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide any feedback/commentary on my current [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Shine_(Gwen_Stefani_song)/archive3 FAC]. I understand that it is a busy time of the year so I completely understand if you do not have the time or energy to look at this nomination. Thank you either way. Good luck with your current projects and have a wonderful rest of your day. [[User:Aoba47|Aoba47]] ([[User talk:Aoba47|talk]]) 15:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

== re: "See also" ==

It's hard to find all those tiny links in the navigation templates sometimes. 

It's nice for the reader to see a couple of the more directly relevant ones. [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 16:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Sagecandor}} Sure, but "See also" sections should ''only'' include links that do not appear elsewhere in the article (including navigation templates and sidebars). Thanks! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::I wish there was some way to sorta agree to that while also pulling out the few most useful links for readers so readers don't have to go hunting through a sea of blue. [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 16:49, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

== Turned your redirect into a full article ==

Hello, Another Believer,

This is to let you know I turned your redirect into a full article at ''[[Trump Revealed]]''.

I hope that's okay. 

[[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 03:57, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Sagecandor}} Fantastic! Thanks for the heads up. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
::You're welcome ! [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 16:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 23 June 2017 ==

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== Wiki Loves Pride at PNCA: Tuesday, June 27 ==

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== ''The Case for Impeachment'' ==

Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article ''[[The Case for Impeachment]] has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

[[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 20:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Twofingered Typist}} Much appreciated! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 22:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for your interest, {{u|Another Believer}}, please let me know of this stuff next time, thanks  ! [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 02:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[March for Science Portland]]==
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== Paul Abels ==
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Hi there, I'm wondering if I could ask a favour. I'm hoping to nominate [[Paul Abels]], an article I wrote this week during Wiki Loves Pride, for the DYK section on the front page but am unable to do so as an unregistered user. Would you be willing to nominate it on my behalf as soon as you get the chance?

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 | hook          = ... that '''[[Paul Abels]]''', the first openly [[gay]] minister to serve in a major [[Christian denomination]] in the United States, was nearly removed from his pastorate after he [[coming out|came out]] in the 1970s? 
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Thanking you in advance, [[Special:Contributions/142.160.131.202|142.160.131.202]] ([[User talk:142.160.131.202|talk]]) 23:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
: Hey there. Thanks for creating this new article. I don't participate at DYK, but I see you've pinged someone else for help, so I'm hoping you find the assistance you need. You might also visit WP:DYK to see if there is a link to ask for help with possible nominations. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 23:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::Not to worry, I don't think I need someone active at DYK. I just need someone to create the nomination page because non-autoconfirmed users are unable to create new pages. To do that, I just need an autoconfirmed user such as yourself to type the name ''Paul Abels'' into the input box [[Template talk:Did you know#To nominate an article|here]] and to copy and paste the above code into the new page. I can handle things from there – the creation of a new page is the only hurdle, if you'd be able to lend me a hand with it. [[Special:Contributions/142.160.131.202|142.160.131.202]] ([[User talk:142.160.131.202|talk]]) 00:02, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::: Done: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Abels]]. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks so much! [[Special:Contributions/142.160.131.202|142.160.131.202]] ([[User talk:142.160.131.202|talk]]) 00:15, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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== Transgender legal history in the United States ==

Thanks for rating [[Talk:Transgender legal history in the United States]].  I just added two more projects  ([[WP:LAW]], [[WP:DISCR]]) since you stopped by, if you feel like rating them as well.  [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 02:31, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Done}} ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 03:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

== [[Draft:Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo]] ==

I see that you recreated this.  Please note that it was removed as the result of a consensus reached at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 June 22]].  Please do not recreate it.  If you believe you have new sources which would demonstrate notability and address the concerns raised at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo]], please start a discussion on [[Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo International Airport]] to try to gain consensus for that.  Continually recreating the article (in either draft or main article space) without such a consensus is not a good way forward.  Thanks.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 18:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|RoySmith}} I don't see anything wrong with recreating a draft for future expansion, but I'll leave this alone for a while. I still think the community's getting this one wrong (sure, the football fans may not see a need for this, but for folks like me who work on sculpture and public art, this is ''plenty'' of coverage to justify an article), but if we need to wait a bit more time for more coverage of the sculpture, post-April, that's fine. I'll expand the draft at a later date. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 18:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::It may well be that they've got it wrong, but community consensus is the process we use.  If you believe the consensus is not correct, a discussion at [[Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo International Airport]] would be the right thing to do next.  But, considering that there's already been a discussion there which resulted in a decision to merge, and an AfD which came to the same conclusion, and a deletion review which endorsed that conclusion, I think it's time for you to just accept that and move on.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 18:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|RoySmith}} Yes, I understand the processes here. I'm disappointed by, but accept, the result of the DR discussion. Thanks for the advice. I won't do anything for a while, but I do plan to revising this article at a later date. Once sourcing extends beyonds 2017 or 2018, I'm confident the article will have a place here. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:02, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
{{outdent}}
I'm sorry that the deletion review went against your article, and I share your suspicion that the outcome may have been swayed by editors that specialise in football judging it to be unnecessary trivia. I encourage you add a section to [[Cristiano Ronaldo International Airport]] on the sculpture and on the reactions to it.

I don't want to add to your disappointments, but in my view [[Emanuel Santos]] does not meet the notability guidelines ([[WP:BIO]] or [[WP:ARTIST]]). If you agree then I suggest you convert it to a redirect to [[Cristiano Ronaldo International Airport]], where Santos should be named. [[User:Verbcatcher|Verbcatcher]] ([[User talk:Verbcatcher|talk]]) 19:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Verbcatcher}} Thanks. Like I said, above, I'll revisit the sculpture article in the future. Actually, I'd argue that the artist article should be kept now that more than one of his works have received significant coverage. Perhaps info about the bust is better there than at the airport article. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
::We need at least a paragraph on the sculpture in the airport article – perhaps people travelling through the airport will read the article and be prompted to look for the sculpture. The coverage of the sculpture of Gareth Bale is probably not sufficient to support an article on Santos. It appears to be a publicity stunt by [[Paddy Power]] (their logo was on the base of the sculpture), and I don't think the sculpture is on permanent display.[http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-who-made-ridiculous-cristiano-13115771] The coverage on the Bale statue was mainly referring back to the Ronaldo sculpture. If you created substantially the same article as [[Emanuel Santos]] then you would be open to accusations of subverting a deletion decision by recreating an article under a new name. [[User:Verbcatcher|Verbcatcher]] ([[User talk:Verbcatcher|talk]]) 20:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Verbcatcher}} OK, then I don't want to deal with those accusations, but I also don't see redirecting "Emanuel Santos" to the airport make sense. I definitely don't feel compelled to nominate the artist article for deletion, but an editor hoping to learn about Emanuel Santos should ''not'' be directed to an article about an airport, IMO. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2017 July newsletter ==

The third round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 288 points being required to qualify for round 4. It was a hotly competitive round with all but four of the contestants exceeding the 106 points that was necessary to proceed to round 4 last year. [[User:Coemgenus|Coemgenus]] and [[User:Freikorp|Freikorp]] tied on 288, and both have been allowed to proceed, so round 4 now has one pool of eight competitors and one of nine.

Round 3 saw the achievement of a 26-topic Featured topic by [[User:MPJ-DK|MPJ-DK]] as well as 5 featured lists and 13 featured articles. [[User:PanagiotisZois|PanagiotisZois]] and [[User:SounderBruce|SounderBruce]] achieved their first ever featured articles. [[User:Carbrera|Carbrera]] led the GA score with 10, [[User:Tachs|Tachs]] achieved 17 DYKs and [[User:MBlaze Lightning|MBlaze Lightning]] 10 ''In the news'' items. There were 167 DYKs, 93 GARs and 82 GAs overall, this last figure being higher than the number of GAs in round 2, when twice as many people were taking part. Even though contestants performed more GARs than they achieved GAs, there was still some frustration at the length of time taken to get articles reviewed.

As we start round 4, we say goodbye to the fifteen or so competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them (some people have fallen foul of this rule and the points have been removed).

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:Godot13|Godot13]], [[User:Sturmvogel 66|Sturmvogel 66]] and [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] 05:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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== Phoenix Pride/Wiki Loves Pride ==

Thanks for helping me out on the [[Phoenix Pride]] article! I'll be adding photo from 2017's pride later (just found out I took a couple!) [[User:Kiteinthewind|Kiteinthewind]]   <sup>[[User talk:Kiteinthewind|Leave a message!]]</sup> 21:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kiteinthewind}} Wonderful! Thanks for contributing to Wiki Loves Pride and helping to improve Wikipedia. :) ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:Just added Phoenix Pride photos, including those of protesters who disrupted pride. They were taken up close :) [[User:Kiteinthewind|Kiteinthewind]]   <sup>[[User talk:Kiteinthewind|Leave a message!]]</sup> 23:16, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Mark Rolston (designer)]] for deletion ==
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[:Mark Rolston (designer)]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Rolston (designer)]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd-notice --> [[User:Light2021|Light2021]] ([[User talk:Light2021|talk]]) 19:38, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Argo Design]] for deletion ==
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== Send My Love (To Your New Lover) ==

Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article [[Send My Love (To Your New Lover)|"Send My Love (To Your New Lover)"]] has been completed.

Good luck with the GAN.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

[[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 15:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
: Thank you so much! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 27, 2017) ==


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== San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge half dollar ==

Thank you for your contributions to [[San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge half dollar]]. I have made more changes and fixed the references, and I intend to do more after lunch. Cheers!--[[User:Dthomsen8|Dthomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 17:35, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Dthomsen8}} Awesome, thanks! Hopefully {{u|Wehwalt}} will find his way to this article eventually. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:27, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
::I'm hoping to get time to do a few more in the next month or so.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:57, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – July 2017 ==

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[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (June 2017).

[[File:Admin mop.PNG|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes''' {{anchor|adminchanges}}
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added]] [[Special:Diff/786878543#Resysop_request_.28Happyme22.29|Happyme22]] • [[Special:Diff/786926857#Resysop request (Dragons flight)|Dragons flight]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed]] [[Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2017#June_2017|Zad68]]

[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:* The RFC discussion regarding [[WP:OUTING]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and outing|WMF essay about paid editing and outing]] (see more at [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard/Archive 34#Response to the Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and outing|the ArbCom noticeboard archives]]) is [[Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest/Archive 27#Investigating COI policy|now archived]]. [[Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest/Archive 27#Milieu 3|Milieus #3]] and [[Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest/Archive 27#Milieu 4|#4]] received support; so did [[Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest/Archive 27#Concrete proposal 1|concrete proposal #1]]. 

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
:* [[Approximate string matching|Fuzzy search]] will soon be added to [[Special:Undelete]], allowing administrators to search for deleted page titles with results similar to the search query. You can test this by adding {{nowrap|{{code|?fuzzy{{=}}1}}}} to the URL, as with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete?fuzzy=1 Special:Undelete?fuzzy=1]. Currently the search only finds pages that exactly match the search term.
:* A new [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RonBot|bot]] will automatically [[Wikipedia:Revision deletion|revision delete]] unused file versions from files in [[:Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old]].

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
:* A newly revamped [[Wikipedia:Database reports/Editors eligible for Autopatrol privilege|database report]] can help identify users who may be eligible to be autopatrolled.
:*A potentially compromised account from 2001–2002 attempted to [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard/Archive_36#Resysop_request_for_User:Liniey|request resysop]]. Please practice appropriate [[Wikipedia:User account security|account security]] by using a unique password for Wikipedia, and consider enabling [[Wikipedia:Simple 2FA|two-factor authentication]]. Currently around 17% of admins have enabled 2FA, up from 16% in February 2017.
:* Did you know: On 29 June 2017, there were 1,261 administrators on the English Wikipedia – the exact number of administrators as there were ten years ago [https://web.archive.org/web/20070629101457/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics on 29 June 2007]. Since that time, the English Wikipedia has grown from 1.85 million articles to over 5.43 million.

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== [[Lust for Life (Lana Del Rey album)]] ==

Hello, my colleague! If you remember me, I'm from Russia Wikipedia! Well, if you'd be interested then you can writing ''Lust for Life'' to [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good articles]] (of cours after released)! I think that in internet is very many information about album, cause Lana gave a several informative interviews. And this situation with changing the date from May 26 to July 21... many info! That seems like something you'd be good at. Thanks! [[User:Reylanno|Reylanno]] ([[User talk:Reylanno|talk]]) 22:08, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Reylanno}} Hello! I hope to see some of the LDR articles promoted to Good status soon. Thanks for your work at Russian Wikipedia. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:05, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
:: Thank you too for work at English Wiki! Many articles about Lana's discography is very very bad. Video Games, or Summertime Sadness, Born to Die could have a good status at a catch... [[User:Reylanno|Reylanno]] ([[User talk:Reylanno|talk]]) 17:57, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== Quick question ... cultural issues ==

Hi, thought you might be able to answer this quickly. I'm looking for a good, recent, active discussion of issues with Wikipedia culture and stuff that's being actively done to become more inclusive, diverse, attractive to maybe non-confrontational people? [[Special:Diff/789527063|This]] is kind of what I'm trying to substantiate, if possible. Thanks in advance. - [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 22:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:Things moved on the referenced topic faster than I thought they would. It might be a ripe time to jump in at [[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#Systemic  issues]], if you are inclined to do so. - [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 06:37, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 28, 2017) ==


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== ''This Month in GLAM'': June 2017 ==

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* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Argentina report|Argentina report]]: Campaign #1lib1ref in Buenos Aires, new material donated and guidelines for cultural institutions
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Basque Country report|Basque Country report]]: Idazlezainak: librarians as writers' curators
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Belgium report|Belgium report]]: GLAM seminar Sharing is Caring
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Bulgaria report|Bulgaria report]]: Bulgarian GLAM activists were awarded with the "Friends of the Archives" Award
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Côte d'Ivoire report|Côte d'Ivoire report]]: Strategy discussion with GLAM partners
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Czech Republic report|Czech Republic report]]: WikiCity Litovel
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Estonia report|Estonia report]]: Summer school about photographic collections
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/France report|France report]]: Conference for Archives of Gironde
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Germany report|Germany report]]: "Wiki Loves Music" project features musical instruments from two museums, and more
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Italy report|Italy report]]: Edit-a-thons & libraries
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Macedonia report|Macedonia report]]: New collaboration of GLAM Macedonia user group with the City Library in Skopje
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* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Netherlands report|Netherlands report]]: Workshop children's books, Sharing is Caring Brussels, short WiR period at Utrecht University Library & Preparations medieval image donation
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Russia report|Russia report]]: WikiProjects of students of Petrozavodsk State University
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Spain report|Spain report]]: Wikipedia and the Museum of Málaga
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Sweden report|Sweden report]]: Connected Open Heritage; Wiki Loves Earth; Water data on Wikidata
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/UK report|UK report]]: Summer of data
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Ukraine report|Ukraine report]]: Sharing images in print and digital
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/USA report|USA report]]: June is bustin' out all over
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Wikidata report|Wikidata report]]: Requesting your input; news from MySociety
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/WMF GLAM report|WMF GLAM report]]: Welcome; Documentation Update; Other updates
* [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/June 2017/Contents/Events|Calendar]]: July's GLAM events
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== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[March for Science Portland]]==
The article [[March for Science Portland]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:March for Science Portland]] for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#To_nominate_an_article|nominate it]] to appear in Did you know.<!-- Template:GANotice result=pass --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]]</small> -- [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 23:41, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
: Thank you! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 02:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
::You're welcome ! Thank you, for your high quality contributions and new article writing on Wikipedia ! [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 02:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== My edits in your personal page ==

Hello dear, sorry for editing in your wiki personal pages. That was a mistake.<span style="background:#000000; padding:4px">[[User:Zafar24|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''Zafar24'''</span>]]</span><span style="background: #00FF00;padding:4px">[[User talk:Zafar24|<font color="black">Talk</font>]]</span> 08:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zafar24}} Thanks for the heads up! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 15 July 2017 ==

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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 29, 2017) ==


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== Thank you ==

Thank you, Another Believer, very much for saying that my efforts to improve and expand the article [[Elijah Daniel]] successfully demonstrate that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Elijah_Daniel_(2nd_nomination)&diff=791160755&oldid=791157015 DIFF].

Especially during this trying period of time, I really appreciate your being so willing and kind to acknowledge the hours upon hours of research and writing that I've recently put into this.

Thank you. [[User:Sagecandor|Sagecandor]] ([[User talk:Sagecandor|talk]]) 00:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
: Thanks for the note! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:26, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== ''Virgin and Child with Canon van der Paele'' ==

Please don't use fixed image sizes, but {{para|upright}}, to adjust to readers preferences, - generally. For such a detailed painting, a large size (1.5) is in order. A model for a piece of art is [[Crucifix (Cimabue, Santa Croce)]], one for a painting [[Sorrow (Van Gogh)]]: the facts should not be in the caption, but in the parameters. You could propose that on the talk. You could also leave things as they are. I did not raise the topic in the FAC which I reviewed, intentionally so ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Gerda Arendt}} Thanks for stopping by. I rarely use fixed image sizes, and I changed some of the images at ''Virgin and Child with Canon van der Paele'' to regular 'upright' because they were way too big. I still think the imagery throughout the article is not ideal, but I've moved on to other articles. I think this one could use an inbox, but I also recognize that some editors don't think every article needs an infobox. I made my edits, and others can approve or reject. Thanks again! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:26, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
== Nomination of [[:Benito Juárez (Martinez)]] for deletion ==
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== A barnstar for you! ==

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:{{Ping|Spirit of Eagle}} Wow, thank you so much! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 30, 2017) ==


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== Impeachment March ==

Please look at [[WP:WikiProject Council/Guide#Overtagging is disruptive]]. WProjects members have enough to do with clutter and Project maintenance as is. And your rationale for restoring the Project spam cuts both ways. E.g., non-Project members ought ''not'' add Project banners as part of their effort to get favorite topics spread about. Thanks.  – [[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 22:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
: Agree to disagree. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 22:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

== Commons category-inline ==

Quick question: I noticed that you've recently changed the format of a category template. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Québec_Pavilion&diff=next&oldid=790910476] Could you please explain why so that I edit accordingly in the future. Tx --[[User:Rubix99|Rubix99]] ([[User talk:Rubix99|talk]]) 21:39, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Rubix99}} Sure! So, usually we use the inline version of the template when there is no other content in the "External links" section. This way, there is not just a floating Commons box on the right side of the page, underneath the section heading which is over on the left side of the page. I hope this helps! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 23:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

== Staten Island Ferry Disaster Memorial Museum  ==

I was redirecting it not because it is fake, but because it is one sentence. Sorry, I should have made it more clear, but such a short page is unlikely to attract attention. I made a discussion at [[Talk:Staten Island Ferry]], proposing a merge due to its being very short. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 03:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Epicgenius}} Thanks for the heads up! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 03:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

== "Donald Trump" (''Last Week Tonight'') ==

Since you've added extensively to [[Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight)]], I just wanted to let you know that it is up for Featured Article review [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight)/archive1|here]]. Thank you for all your work on this article. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC){{Clear}}
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:{{Ping|Epicgenius}} Wonderful! Thanks for the heads up. I've added the nomination page to my watchlist. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Epicgenius}} If you'd like assistance with addressing concerns, and since we co-nommed for Good status, you're welcome to add me as a co-nominator and major contributor to the article. If you'd prefer to work on the article's promotion on your own, no worries!, just ignore this message. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:: I would definitely like to include you as a co-nominator. I don't know how to do that, though. Do I just add your name? [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 23:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Epicgenius}} Thanks! Yeah, I think you can just add my username (and maybe talk page?) after "Nominator(s): epicgenius (talk)" on the nomination page. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Done}}. I've included your name. Thank you again for your work on this article. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 02:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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==Bullseye Glass==
The uncited material related to Klaus Moje and the original development of Bullseye's compatable glass is substantially true.  It is related (also without citation) in the [[Klaus Moje]] article (which 50.53.100.150 should have wiki-linked).  I believe citations exist for this material, in published Moje biographies.  I have revision of the Moje article on my "work list", and will add Bullseye as well.  Unfortunately, I am removed from my citation sources (a substantial library of glass art material) until November.  [[User:Punty Jon|Punty Jon]] ([[User talk:Punty Jon|talk]]) 20:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Punty Jon}} Thanks for the note. The content should not be added to the article until proper sourcing can be provided. Looking forward to its addition in the future. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Casey's (Portland, Oregon)]] for deletion ==
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[:Casey's (Portland, Oregon)]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd-notice --> [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:teal">ᐐT₳LKᐬ</span>]]</sup>  21:01, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|El cid, el campeador}} Just redirect the article to [[LGBT culture in Portland, Oregon]], and spare everyone wasting time with a deletion discussion. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== "Nope" ==
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What do you mean "nope"? What do you have against deleting the talk page of a non-existent article? [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:teal">ᐐT₳LKᐬ</span>]]</sup>  00:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|El cid, el campeador}} I think the discussion should be preserved. Thanks, ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 00:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::Would you care to expand on how the discussion is useful to the WP project? Because CSD G8 explicitly lists talk pages of deleted articles. [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:teal">ᐐT₳LKᐬ</span>]]</sup>  00:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|El cid, el campeador}} Sure. I still plan on revisiting this article again in the future, and I'd like the talk page discussion to be kept. It displays links to sources, offers link to the deletion discussion and deletion review, and has other commentary. The template you added said, "This does not include pages which are useful to the project such as user subpages and talk pages, talk page archives, information for a future article, Articles for Creation drafts, etc." This is a talk page I'd like to keep, so I removed the template. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Cool, next time try explaining that instead of just saying 'nope' and being aloof when I asked about why you deleted it. Thanks. [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:teal">ᐐT₳LKᐬ</span>]]</sup>  01:02, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: Right... ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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==Brother Andre==
Went to see the oratory a couple days ago, did you check out the heart container? [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 16:14, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Randy Kryn}} No, but I  just read about this on Wikipedia! I am super curious, but not sure I'll have time to check it out. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:15, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
::His stone coffin is sitting there above ground. His heart was stolen years ago, then returned, and now they have it behind bars within a vault that is locked every night (or I assume it's locked). Worth seeing, but quite a long way by metro and bus. The church is as much an honoring of Andre as it is of Joseph. time for lunch. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 16:20, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

== Impeachment March ==

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== [[Talk:List of monuments and memorials of the Confederate States of America]] ==
{{resolved}}
It's not working. See message on my talkpage. Is there a way to fix this please?[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping| Zigzig20s}} Hey, I just tried pinging you on the talk page. I am not sure what the problem is... ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:06, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::The problem seems to be related to edit on that page by [[User:Fluous|Fluous]] earlier this morning. [[User:Woodlot|Woodlot]] ([[User talk:Woodlot|talk]]) 15:09, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:::It didn't work yesterday when I left a message about the cross-outs.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Woodlot}} Hmm, thanks for trying to help figure this out. {{Ping|Zigzig20s}} I'm at a loss here... ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:12, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
{{Ping|Fluous}} Can you maybe try re-signing your comments, being sure not to use the endash beforehand? I'm not sure why the talk page markup is not working. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:See [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America&diff=795708703&oldid=795702891] where coding was changed. [[User:Woodlot|Woodlot]] ([[User talk:Woodlot|talk]]) 15:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping| Another Believer}} Hey, what's going on? The talk page won't let me add anything new. Do I need to do anything? [[User:Fluous|Fluous]] ([[User talk:Fluous|talk]]) 15:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|Fluous}} I admit, I don't understand what's going on with that talk page. Never seen this happen in my 10 years of editing. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

The diff linked above by Woodlot shows the end of an HTML comment, two hyphens and a greater-than sign, being turned into a right arrow. That hid the rest of the page. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 20:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Jonesey95}} Yes, thanks for confirming. Woodlot pointed out the diff above. I'm still not entirely sure how the signatures also got messed up, but I'm more interested in working on the list itself than figuring out the talk page error. Thanks for looking into this! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

== Robert E. Lee's house ==

Do you think the Robert E. Lee Residence on the campus of [[Washington and Lee University]] should have its own article please? It may be listed as part of a historic district, however. 
The [[Lee Chapel]] has a separate article, and it's on the campus.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 17:37, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zigzig20s}} I'd say go ahead and create the stub if you think it's notable. The page can always be redirected later, but I think creating stubs is a good way for the community to debate and discuss the appropriateness of standalone articles. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::Realistically, I don't have time to do the research for a proper start or C article until September (I'm working like a horse). I fear a stub would not do it justice, and may just get deleted.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 17:45, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Zigzig20s}} I understand. I've created many stubs this week, and I've seen other editors expand on my work. If you're not comfortable creating a stub, no worries, but I think a stub is better than nothing. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Would you like to create it? We do have [[Washington and Lee University Historic District]], though. But the chapel has a separate article and it's in that district.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 17:50, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Zigzig20s}} I'm pretty occupied creating stubs for other monuments at the moment, and I am currently working in my [[User:Another Believer/sandbox|sandbox]] to reduce the [[List of monuments and memorials of the Confederate States of America]] to determine which sites don't have articles. In other words, I may get to this at some point, but I am prioritizing other tasks right now. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Thank you![[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 18:06, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::By the way, I did take the time to create ''[[The Jewish Confederates]]'', which is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Jewish Confederates|nominated for DYK]].[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 18:26, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::: {{Like}} ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

== Comment ==

Hi. Can you please comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Crossing_out_of_removed_monuments.3F there]? Thanks![[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
: I've already stated my preference not to have any text with strikes. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:00, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::They're doing it a different way now. Adding different subsections for the "removed" monuments and the ones still standing. I think that's unnecessary and too bold.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 16:01, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::: I don't necessarily have a problem with having subsections for former/removed monuments. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::::I think there's a "to-do list" aspect to it, which is not encyclopedic.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 16:18, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: I think it's helpful to know which monuments and still standing, and which have been removed or relocated. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:19, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::As a to-do list perhaps![[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 16:36, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

==Montreal public art==
I really appreciate what you do but I gotta say, I don't believe relatively minor works like [[Guy Lafleur (sculpture)]] merit articles. And I say this as having been a mammoth Lafleur fan when he played. I certainly won't take these to Afd but I ''suspect'' they'd fail GNG and [[WP:GEOFEAT]]. Anyway, my two cents. [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 15:52, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Shawn in Montreal}} Thanks! When I visit a city, I work to create articles for public art. I'll let the community decide if these works merit standalone articles, but I try to get the ball rolling in case editors want to expand with details about a sculpture's installation, measurements, etc. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:59, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::If I might jump in, sorry I missed both of you at the recent event. Will have to disagree with Shawn, many sport stadiums include statues of their former stars, and these statues and other honoring are represented on Wikipedia. The Lafleur tribute seems to fall nicely within that group. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 16:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Randy Kryn}} Thanks for chiming in. This is exactly why I create these stubs, so we can have these discussions. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:03, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Well, I've helped to categorize them a little,  anyway. [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 16:20, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: Much thanks! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

== Confederate Circle ==

We probably need to add a subsection about Confederate Circle to the [[Mount Olivet Cemetery (Nashville)]], and figure out who is buried there specifically.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 17:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zigzig20s}} I am currently working to create many [[Talk:List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Articles_to_create|new stubs for Confederate monuments]], even though some people prefer I not. I may be able to revisit this task later, but right now I am working on other things. If you have any interest in helping to create some new stubs, you're certainly welcome! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you for creating them![[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

== Worth a read ==

Hi again. You may enjoy:
*{{cite news|last1=Roll|first1=Nick|title=After Charlottesville and Trump, Renewed Focus on Statues of Racists|url=https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/08/17/charlottesville-tragedy-and-trump-remarks-revive-focus-statues-confederates-and|accessdate=August 18, 2017|work=Inside Higher Ed|date=August 17, 2017}}
There's a lot to unpack. See also: "While Silent Sam might be out of UNC’s hands, the university's trustees put a self-imposed 16-year restriction on renaming buildings after a split vote changed the name of Saunders Hall to Carolina Hall."[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 19:27, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:I've just [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Chapel#2017_Confederate_incident added this].[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 20:07, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:: Great! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:09, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

== Another article needs short update ==
{{resolved}}
*FYI, may want to update [[Removal_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials#Montana]] too.  [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:#006600;">Montanabw</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 05:29, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
:* Thanks for the reminder! I'm working on creating new articles about monuments lately, but I'll keep this on my to do list. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 06:06, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

== Elodie Todd Dawson Monument ==
{{resolved}}
While you were building the stub on the one monument I was building a longer article on the cemetery.  I could not find enough info on the one statue to justify anything more than a stub, but she and her husband were instrumental in putting together the whole place.  I think we should keep it all on one page, and I think you wiped out a bunch of my text. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:42, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Legacypac}} Ok, I was hoping a standalone article might be appropriate, but feel free to merge the monument content back into the cemetery article. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
::It's actually a statue over her & husband's gravestone, and while interesting, it's not really a monument to the confederacy at all. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:47, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
::: I went ahead and merged. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:48, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
The LOC image might be free to use... I stink at images. The famous people section needs so work to correct the links. <s>We need to look at how this is all listed on the main list,</s> I recall putting info in about the Forrest Bust.  Nice work on setting up the page so well - looks great! [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 22:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

== [[C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America]] ==

Have you seen ''[[C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America]]''? Definitely worth a watch.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 22:27, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
: Nope!, but thanks for the recommendation. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 22:28, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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== A navigation box? ==

Hello. Do you think we should  create a navigation box for Confederate monuments please?[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:05, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Zigzig20s}} No. There are existing infoboxes for [[:Template:Infobox monument|monuments]] and [[:Template:Infobox artwork|artworks]]. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::I mean a navigation box for all the monuments. Like navigation boxes for members of state house of representatives for examples.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:07, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::: Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. You might raise this question on an appropriate talk page to get a wider discussion? ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:08, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Like the box at the very bottom of [[Tyler Lindholm]] for example.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 15:14, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: Ah!, sorry, of course. I think there are too many Confederate monuments to include in a navigation template. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 15:35, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

== batch of minimal NRHP articles ==
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Hi, I want to ask you to agree to my redirecting nine minimal NRHP articles which you created on fire stations in Birmingham, Alabama, back in 2012:
*[[Fire Station No. 3 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 6 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 10 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 11 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 12 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 15 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 16 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 19 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]
*[[Fire Station No. 22 (Birmingham, Alabama)]]

I believe you had good intentions, but the effect was to undermine another editor's approach, [[Historic fire stations of Birmingham, Alabama]], which served as a good treatment for all of them.  You replaced redirects to that page with minimal articles that have less information than on that list-article page (less about each one of them, and also less in the sense that the list-article provides useful context for all of them, not available at separate pages).  So in fact readers at the corresponding NRHP list-article will find their way to the separate articles, rather than the good treatment at the list-article.  I would rather redirect them to the appropriate rows in the list-article.

The nine articles constitute all of the "NRIS-only" problem articles in Alabama;  they each display  "This article relies entirely upon a single source, the National Register Information System (NRIS) database or one of its mirrors. Articles based solely on the NRIS may contain errors. Please help ensure the accuracy of the information in this article by citing at least one more reliable source. (November 2013)".  I and some other editors have been working to eliminate such problem articles, mostly by developing them ourselves, but deletion of such articles is another approach which I may seek for many hundreds of articles in Washington and Oregon.

You might have had intention to develop the articles, but did not.  To be clear, I am not asking you to develop them now, as I believe that collective treatment in the list-article is better.  Please let me know if you agree or object.  If you do object, I would open a multiple-item AFD and bring the attention of more editors to bear, to obtain approval to delete/redirect them, but I don't think that should be necessary.  Sincerely, --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 17:24, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually it looks like the other editor created [[Historic fire stations of Birmingham, Alabama]] in 2014, and then redirected the nine articles, and that you reverted those redirects.  I don't see where it was discussed, if anywhere, back then.  By the way I am developing NRHP articles in Idaho and encountering many minimal stubs which you created including 29 "NRIS-only" ones in [[National Register of Historic Places listings in Jerome County, Idaho]];  i am kind of torn about seeking deletion of them or developing them. --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 17:33, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{edit conflict}}{{Ping|doncram}} Thanks for writing. I find these stations independently notable, so I'd suggest keeping the separate articles for future development. Nominating for deletion is not appropriate, since merging is an option and these pages would serve as functional/valid redirects. I assume a merge nomination would be successful, since editors tend not to prefer keeping stubs, but the fact that they're all independently notable may result in keep votes. Take whichever action you think is best, but since you asked for my opinion, I'd prefer the separate articles be kept and improved. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:35, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

:::Okay, thanks for your prompt reply.  I will proceed with merging/redirecting (effectively the same).  AFD is the forum for seeing to elimination of articles by outright deletion, by merger/redirect, or by other options.  Technically it is possible that expanded articles could be developed, but that can be done more naturally by splitting them out of the list-article if/when too much is developed there.  There is no plausibility IMO that anyone is more likely to develop them because there exist minimal stub articles;  the more likely (though still unlikely) scenario is that someone could be interested in the list-article and develop it more. --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 17:42, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Doncram}} Hmm, ok. I prefer the "list-article" remain just that -- a ''list''. The independent articles should be where details are added. I think it'd be better to keep a very minimal description for each entry of the table, and move the details/inline citations/sources to the separate articles, but thanks for the reply and heads up. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:48, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Doncram}} Maybe also consider posting on the list's talk page, or at WikiProject NRHP for project feedback, before nominating for merge? Just an idea since this is being discussed on multiple user talk pages, but not really on the talk pages of the affected articles. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:56, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

:::::Now this has been also discussed at [[User talk:Spyder Monkey#3 years later]]. Please see my reply to you there.
:::::No, I do not agree to post at the list-article talk page and wait.  Spyder Monkey already defended, in 2014, their decision.  And I do not believe there is anyone following the Talk pages of those articles.  An AFD process would require posting notice at all of those articles though.
:::::Nor do I agree to seek wp:NRHP feedback about simply this, because I think others there will agree with me, while you may express disagreement there, and then it would have to go to AFD.  If you want to object you may insist upon an AFD process, which is the right forum to actually settle this, if there is disagreement.  I thought you were agreeing, although reluctantly, here.
:::::For your information, I am considering going to some larger forum, certainly with notice to wt:NRHP, about the many hundreds of minimal stub NRHP articles in Oregon and Washington.  I am not sure.  But this small set of Alabama articles is different (where development of the articles is not wanted because list-article treatment exists and is better) and simpler to take care of on its own.  I am trying to clean it up as a loose end.  I suggest you let this go and that you consider what you want with respect to the many hundreds of others.  For example, would you consider cooperating in actually developing them, or would you agree to their all being deleted. --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 18:11, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|doncram}} Of course I disagree with the deletion of hundreds of stubs about notable topics. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 18:22, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Well, I have not proposed it yet, which will take some work, and runs counter to my other participation in NRHP and AFDs in Wikipedia, and who knows maybe it will be convincing to even you.
:::::::FYI, I have gone ahead with the merger/redirects, which included [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Historic_fire_stations_of_Birmingham%2C_Alabama&type=revision&diff=796907208&oldid=778864805 adding three pics and several mentions of modern fire stations to the "Historic fire stations" list-article].  That covered all the available info in the separate articles, besides a few pics of the non-notable modern replacement stations which are not usable.  I appreciate that you are letting this small part of the much bigger issue be settled without a community-wide discussion. --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 19:41, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::: {{Ping|Doncram}} Thanks for the update. I went ahead and tagged the pages as redirects in the WikiProject banners. Hopefully the articles will be expanded in the future, but I'm not sure merging all of them to the list encourages that to happen. Happy to move on here, but I certainly won't be convinced the other OR/WA stubs should be deleted. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:44, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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== TFL notification ==

Hi, Another Believer. I'm just posting to let you know that [[Grammy Award for Best Dance Recording]] – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as [[WP:TFL|Today's featured list]] for September 18. The TFL blurb can be seen [[Wikipedia:Today's featured list/September 18, 2017|here]]. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at [[WT:TFL|TFL talk]]. Regards, [[User:Giants2008|<span style="color:blue;">Giants2008</span>]] ([[User talk:Giants2008|<span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span>]]) 23:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Giants2008}} Thanks for the heads up! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 04:08, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== You might be interested in this ==

Hello! I just created an article on the [[Ohio Drug Price Relief Act]]. I thought that you might be interested in improving it. [[User:RileyBugz|<span style="color:#2D3D67;">RileyBugz</span>]][[User talk:RileyBugz|<sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/RileyBugz|<sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録</sub>]] 18:51, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
: Thans for the heads up! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 22:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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== handout for students editing articles on history-related topics ==

Hi there,

I'm hoping to solicit your feedback regarding a handout Wiki Education is developing for students who want to work on articles about history-related topics: [[User:Ryan (Wiki Ed)/History]]. You have quite a lot of experience with Wikipedia in general, and given your interest in local history, I thought you may be interested.

It will be a print guide that history students will receive in addition to other resources, like our interactive training and brochures that address broader aspects of editing. We're hoping to get some community feedback by the end of Sunday, September 3rd, in order to meet a printing schedule. Thanks very much for your time. --[[User:Ryan (Wiki Ed)|Ryan (Wiki Ed)]] ([[User talk:Ryan (Wiki Ed)|talk]]) 17:26, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
: <s>{{Ping|Ryan (Wiki Ed)}} {{not done}} Thanks! I'll take a look soon. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 18:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)</s>
: {{Done}} Not sure I have any more specific edits. I wanted to link lots of terms throughout, but had to remember this was for a printout. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 01:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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== NRHP stub articles in Idaho ==

Hi, sort of continuing a conversation, please see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bert and Fay Havens House]], an AFD for 29 articles on National Register of Historic Places sites in Idaho.  It is with some reluctance that I nominated the 29, which is all the remaining "NRIS-only" NRHP articles in Idaho.  I notice at least one was created by a different author, but I think all the rest were created by you, back in 2012. --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 21:26, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
: Yeah, yeah... ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 21:47, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

== Monuments ==

I noticed you are also interested in Civil War monuments.  I added a unique monument, ''Dignified Resignation'', along with a description to [[Galveston, Texas]].  Cheers.  [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 22:50, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Magnolia677}} Thanks! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 22:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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